Re: [Freedos-user] MSD freedos diagnostic comparative?
This may indeed be the ticket. Although I will need to email and ask how to write the output to a file as a command line option..it is not shared when getting help for the program. Thanks, Karen On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, Jim Hall via Freedos-user wrote: Laaca posted about a new system info tool they'd written, described here: https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2024/03/fetch4fd-system-info-program/ On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 00:43 Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi all, simple question. Given freedos does support things like larger hard drives and so forth, I am wondering if there is a simple tool comparative to msd for DOS among freedos utilities? or, if anyone knows of a simple tool? my goal is not so much diagnostics as a clear indicator of machine stats, the way msd provides, processor speed, type of video card, number of drives, memory, irq allocations, those sorts of things. the tech behind my new machine has a new job, and was not solid enough in DOS to provide these details..and I have what may be a failing power supply I cannot replace until I know how much power is best. ideas? even a DOS port of Linux tool? Thanks, KarenL ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] MSD freedos diagnostic comparative?
Hi all, simple question. Given freedos does support things like larger hard drives and so forth, I am wondering if there is a simple tool comparative to msd for DOS among freedos utilities? or, if anyone knows of a simple tool? my goal is not so much diagnostics as a clear indicator of machine stats, the way msd provides, processor speed, type of video card, number of drives, memory, irq allocations, those sorts of things. the tech behind my new machine has a new job, and was not solid enough in DOS to provide these details..and I have what may be a failing power supply I cannot replace until I know how much power is best. ideas? even a DOS port of Linux tool? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Directory comparison program
Hi John, Could You help us help you more by sharing a bit about your goals? Are you wanting to compare directory to learn if all files were moved from one place to another, as if doing a backup to a USB drive? Are you wanting to check file attributes? Are you wanting to compare the kind of information a tool shares about directories? Kare On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, hms--- via Freedos-user wrote: Does any know of a directory comparison program? John ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
My apologies..perhaps if there had been more aside from your saying you would use something else save for the sound card. Still, I am sorry for my response, you were in a line of others. As a contrast though? Their claim that I should do things differently would be like my saying to you, what is your problem? Soundblaster pro-live cards are better, and do not need such an old slot etc. On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, DAMON GRAY wrote: Well, you had given me good advice, and I was trying to be supportive of your point that people have reasons for what they do and I shouldn't feel compelled to make them feel imbecillic for making the choices they made. I meant no offence. I was actually trying to support your point. I'll just bow out and let you fight your own battle. On 02/27/2024 10:25 AM PST Karen Lewellen wrote: and that is fine for you...your point? On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, DAMON GRAY wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
Understood. Someone posted asking how I did my job with DOS, I provided examples. On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Micha�~B Dec wrote: Hello Karen, Please keep the discussion on-topic. This is a FreeDOS user discussion mailing list, not a WEF summit. Best regards, Michał W dniu 27.02.2024 o 21:45, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user pisze: If our goals resonate, consider donating. worth a tax write off in some countries.. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
Speaking very personally, The choice to define emotion to an email post is just that, the choice of the reader. I do not write people privately on list, without asking for their consent list first. When others write me privately without invitation, from a mailing list, it is still list intended as far as I am concerned. No one else need follow my choices, with my doing this due to some of my history of sex assault. On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Linvel Risner via Freedos-user wrote: It's a small enough community, I think if we reigned in the emotions and hurt feelings we could all prosper. I don't imagine we have a forum, just an email list, right? Are there other resources besides the wiki that I'm missing? I'm trying to research written programming guides, although maybe I should just watch the Jim Hall video sets. Thanks, and have a blessed day y'all. On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 8:26???AM Liam Proven via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 at 14:42, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: I dare say you intended this for the list. You continue to be just amazingly rude and hostile. You mailed me privately offlist. I did you the courtesy of replying the same way. You put it back on the list. Previously I had killfiled you. I only saw your mail because I removed that filter. I will reinstate it as soon as I hit "send" on this message. I have tried to help you twice now. You have in both cases responded with vitriol and abuse. Never again. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
No, I send emails only on list. I have no idea how things present for You, but I never write anyone off list without asking first. In fact, i was commenting in thread to your advice about USB key usage. On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 at 14:42, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: I dare say you intended this for the list. You continue to be just amazingly rude and hostile. You mailed me privately offlist. I did you the courtesy of replying the same way. You put it back on the list. Previously I had killfiled you. I only saw your mail because I removed that filter. I will reinstate it as soon as I hit "send" on this message. I have tried to help you twice now. You have in both cases responded with vitriol and abuse. Never again. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
And for the record, I do my jobs just fine. www.curtainupdistribution.org Samples under both the harfeld artistry and common ground media program areas, of my radio work at least. If our goals resonate, consider donating. worth a tax write off in some countries.. Karen On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva wrote: Hi. Yes. For me i never worked with DOS machines... I don't know what kind of work you do/preform with DOS, since you're journalist, i assume you do a lot of writing and can't imagine you browsing website with html5, java script and so on. I don't know everything, something i would mind to know... could help more people. By the way i'm computer Tech., nowadays i do tech support by voip/presence on Hospital, replace some sdd, fried power supply. If i had to rank the OS it would be: PC-DOS 5/7 MS-DOS 6.22 FreeDOS Linux, Debian BeOS/Haiku Windows 95/98/XP/7/(10 with no internet) Obviously lot of people disagree with my choice and it's fine. I'll end saying this: I'm not diminishing you or your by using DOS or my choice to use Linux instead of Windows/Mac (to close for me, i have the need take things apart), i can do everything i need on Linux if i could with FreeDOS i was dual booting or "dual HDD" (not SSD). It's what get the job done and more efficient way. ...and thank you. On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:47???PM Karen Lewellen wrote: That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
What is with the off list messages? Ask on list, I will simply share them here anyway. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:16:05 + From: Joao Silva To: Karen Lewellen Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 Hi. Yes. For me i never worked with DOS machines... I don't know what kind of work you do/preform with DOS, since you're journalist, i assume you do a lot of writing and can't imagine you browsing website with html5, java script and so on. I don't know everything, something i would mind to know... could help more people. By the way i'm computer Tech., nowadays i do tech support by voip/presence on Hospital, replace some sdd, fried power supply. If i had to rank the OS it would be: PC-DOS 5/7 MS-DOS 6.22 FreeDOS Linux, Debian BeOS/Haiku Windows 95/98/XP/7/(10 with no internet) Obviously lot of people disagree with my choice and it's fine. I'll end saying this: I'm not diminishing you or your by using DOS or my choice to use Linux instead of Windows/Mac (to close for me, i have the need take things apart), i can do everything i need on Linux if i could with FreeDOS i was dual booting or "dual HDD" (not SSD). It's what get the job done and more efficient way. ...and thank you. On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:47???PM Karen Lewellen wrote: That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
and that is fine for you...your point? On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, DAMON GRAY wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
Wow, I bow, salute, toast your brilliance here! Clearly you are owning the personal in personal computing with intelligence and skill. Why should someone not using your technology decide what is *modern* for you anyway? While this does not apply to my personal choices, I am so so thrilled reading how you are defining your own. The points you make about external services is an interesting one, and about keyboards..I might add security and privacy risks as well. If modern software creations also allow someone to create fake nude images of a person and plaster them anywhere? Exactly how does this modern advance, not limit technology in a positive way? Thanks for your wisdom! Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Thomas Cornelius Desi via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Michael, with great interest I was reading your thoughts about DOS. Let me add from my personal experience: The tech gap between DOS (FREEDOS) and WINDOWS/MAC honestly made me going back and forth between those OS options. I tried to make up my mind in the following way: What do I get from working on DOS? The answer in one word: SIMPLICITY I know: computers are complicated and complex by »nature«. But there is a level of accessibility which is till ok. It still »feels« simple. SIMPLICITY for me encompasses also »quiteness of mind« in the sense, that I don’t want to deal anymore with all those forced »updates« of OS and software. Plain »no«. Why? Because: I am only writing texts (prose), and I don’t want to deal with tech problems and feel plain stupid on a regular basis when those »updates« come in again. (Please bare with me, I am German native speaker) Writing text has been included in Computers maybe in the 1970ies or so… It isn’t what computers were invented for, we must not forget this. Since then, ALL POSSIBLE PROBLEMS of text authoring have been solved! This is why I immensely appreciate the FREEDOS project (Jim Hall ed.al thank you!) to adopt the DOS simplicity to some lightly modern compatibility (call it »USB«), I would say. Simplicity is to not have literally thousands of files somewhere digged into vast spaces of GIGA and TERA bytes of storage on my harddisk without have the faintest idea about that huge digital landfill. I don’t use a harddisk. I use one USB Stick per project, each one has the basic KERNEL and AUTEXEC.BAT on it, and each USB Stick has a different color and some description. My computer even does not start without a stick (!) Writing (drafting) is done with the »e 1.4« text editor of 7 kB (Yes: seven Kilobyte) by David Nye, MD, 1991 (!) ( see: https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse=1=E.Com=5 ) Revisioning is done with the excellent VDE Editor v197 (sic!), by Eric Meyer. Brillant piece of software! Never fails, no bugs, no crashes, no updates. With a version number that high, 197, am sure, problems have been sorted out a long time ago. And regarding USB/BIOS...: I use all sorts of Keyboards and Touchpads, Trackpads, a Foot-Pedal and I built my own keyboard, just to advance more on the ergonomic side which was neglected in the industry in order to please everybody on the consumer side. It is not the computer or the software that writes my texts, yes, true, but - - I found out that it is the modern OS (internet, cloud, ordinary office task, email, notifications etc etc) which interrupts, distracts and impedes my writing. My approach is not about nostalgia or an outlandish freak’n nerdism, but my refusing of the unnecessary. Basic take away: Computers should be much more specifically built to what they are used for. This »single task« metaphore is my motto. Why not re-read: "Small Is Beautiful: A Study of Economics As If People Mattered is a collection of essays« (1973 by E. F. Schumacher) Thomas On 27.02.2024, at 01:11, Michael Brutman via Freedos-user wrote: I'm just kind of amazed at what I read here at times. It is no secret that DOS is no longer a mainstream operating system. As a result, support for it on physical hardware is minimal, if it is supported at all. Modern machines are just not intended to be used with DOS as the primary, "bare metal" operating system. A lot of us are here because we like DOS but most of us don't try to force-fit into places where it doesn't work. When there is a better, supported solution for something it often makes more sense to use that instead of trying to make it work under DOS. There are many examples of things where DOS is great and even fun, but many more examples where DOS is not a suitable solution. This isn't controversial or hostile. It is reality. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
I absolutely respect those choices. I feel reasonably certain that allot of you hare are not managing my combination of experiences leading to my choices. I do not expect anyone to follow my path, you are not me. it surprises me though that others expect me to follow yours, when I am not you. On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Michael Brutman via Freedos-user wrote: I'm just kind of amazed at what I read here at times. It is no secret that DOS is no longer a mainstream operating system. As a result, support for it on physical hardware is minimal, if it is supported at all. Modern machines are just not intended to be used with DOS as the primary, "bare metal" operating system. A lot of us are here because we like DOS but most of us don't try to force-fit into places where it doesn't work. When there is a better, supported solution for something it often makes more sense to use that instead of trying to make it work under DOS. There are many examples of things where DOS is great and even fun, but many more examples where DOS is not a suitable solution. This isn't controversial or hostile. It is reality. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
Hi again, I dare say you intended this for the list. I have answered this question many many times. Speaking personally as a credentialed journalist myself, I find it a bit concerning that anyone who writes as a reporter believes that a shared label makes a shared experience, as in all those who are called a, are interchangeable for one another. many a war flowing around such generalizations, speaking personally you do your friends a profound disservice not considering them to be individuals with unique experiences preferences and goals. And..this is a DOS list. If you dislike the platform, speaking personally, why are you here? Best, Karen -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:31:35 + From: Liam Proven To: Karen Lewellen Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 I really don't know. Perhaps you have been very lucky, or perhaps there was an era of late BIOS-based systems during which BIOS-based USB handling reached a peak. Sadly now any maker who wants a sticker proclaiming the right to claim their kit as compatible with Windows 11 must make it UEFI only, with secure boot on by default, and no legacy BIOS C.S.M. in that UEFI. Such a machine cannot boot DOS and unless someone somewhere does some heroic programming it never will. As it happens, some of my closest friends are blind and most of them are computer users. I am a professional computer journalist and I do try to regularly address accessibility issues. I do have to ask why, given the increasing difficulty of keeping DOS working in the 21st century, why you cling to it so hard? There are very highly accessible alternatives available now, several of them for free. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 at 20:01, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
Hi Damon, Just want to ask a couple of quick questions. First, likely this is yes, the bios for your machine does support USB? Second, does the USB Dos tools you tried include the DOS driver made by Panasonic? I have not used MS Dos 6.22 personally in decades, and have never overlyed freedos at all, so will leave that aspect of your question to others. Kare On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: Greetings all. I have a working MS-DOS system running on 6.2.2 but it has gigantical problems with the USB Mouse. I've attempted multiple USB DOS driver solutions. Some work half the time. Others not so much. I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. But here's the challenge... I don't want to start from scratch. There was a lot involved in getting this system set up as it is, particularly with regard to the Gravis Ultrasound card. Is it possible to just "upgrade" this MS-DOS to FreeDos, or is starting from scratch my only option? I'm very much hoping that I'll be able install FreeDos over the top of MS-DOS. Thanks for any advice you can offer. Damon J. Gray Lynden, WA ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Hi bret, On Sun, 4 Feb 2024, Bret Johnson wrote: I looked up a little bit about DECtalk. It looks like the earlier versions used a serial port but the later versions plugged directly into an ISA slot. I assume you have one of the later versions? I can't imagine how one that works with a serial port would have a hardware compatibility issue. Hi Bret, Actually you have that information in the wrong order. Portable synthesizers that used serial ports, the dectalk Express for example came after the internal cards. The Isa slot edition, the one I have installed now was followed by a PCI slot edition. Serial port options, the above referenced express, my reading edge, those were next. There is actually currently a Dectalk USB synthesizer as well. Anyway, below is the exact information on the CD rom conflict. There is a utility that shifts the i/a address dectalk uses, but it does not fix the driver problem. Here is what the documentation says: Conflict with DECtalk and EIDE CD-ROM Drivers. We have found that the DECtalk hardware will not work with PCs that have certain EIDE CDROMs intalled. Some of the CDROMs are manufactured by ACER and Mitsumi and one of the driver names in CONFIG.SYS is VIDE_CDD. The problem apparently is caused by the DECtalk and CDROM drivers trying to use the same software interrupt (different than hardware IRQs). Thanks for your ideas, Karen Hardware compatibility issues are usually either with Interrupt (IRQ) or I/O port conflicts, but IDE/ATAPI was such a widespread standard that it's hard to imagine how DECtalk would have a conflict with those. Does the information you've found give any indication as to what the conflict might actually be? -- Bret Johnson It's oft been said that the Devil is in the Details. I disagree completely. I say God is in the Details -- the Devil is in the Fluff. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Hi Bret, The comparability issue is not in vied_cdd.sys It is in the dectalk drivers itself. I have the hardware driver for my cd and DVD rom drives, when vide_cdd.sys is run, it references the hardware drive in its command. Will dig up those alternatives, thank you. Kare On Sun, 4 Feb 2024, Bret Johnson wrote: The driver providing an issue is one called vide_cdd I found this reference to the file: https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/VIDE-CDD.SYS It doesn't mention any compatibility issues, but does say it's very small compared to most other drivers which may be why it has problems (there might be something missing that needs to be in there). It also seems to indicate it's a "generic" IDE driver so should work with many CD drives. Do you know of a comparative substitute? I think I would try OAKCDROM.SYS. I see it referenced a lot as a good driver that works with many IDE CD drives. I just looked and the one I use on my desktop computer is called AOATAPI.SYS, but I don't remember how I came to use that one -- I set it up a long time ago and my memory is not that good. I think you should be able to search the Internet and find a way to download both of those. I rarely use CDs myself, but am adding support for USB CD/DVD drives to my USB drivers. Would that substitute have to work with only specific cdrom or dvdrom drives? I think either OAKCDROM or AOATAPI should work with most CD/DVD drives. As I stated earlier, very early CD drives were proprietary and needed hardware-specific drivers, but after IDE & ATAPI became popular things became pretty standardized and generic drivers will work with most hardware. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
The dectalk driver is not loaded from config.sys. Its why finding a substitute is preferred. On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, tauro 111 via Freedos-user wrote: So your DECTalk driver refuses to be installed once the VIDE-CDD driver has been installed, did I understand you correctly? What about changing the order in which your CONFIG.SYS loads the drivers? Load first the DECTalk driver (no conflicts) and after that, VIDE-CDD. If they can't coexist at all that's trickier. You could also do what Rugxulo suggested: Can't you just edit a CONFIG.SYS menu option to let you optionally>boot without DecTalk when needing to access a physical CD-ROM? About the FreeDOS drivers, as far as I know, FreeDOS uses GCDROM and UDVD2 as CD/DVD drivers. GCDROM was designed for SATA but works with IDE too apparently. You can try them both and see how to it goes, here are some links: GCDROMhttp://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/drivers/gcdrom.zip UDVD2:https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/drivers/udvd2.zip On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 02:01:21 AM GMT-3, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Humor is an individual thing. The package I use incorporates ms DOS 7.1 with a number of utilities updated?? from 6.22. I have scores of reasons for preferring the package, using a full sized USB keyboard as I am doing now to write this email?? is just one of them. Greater memory and hard drive capacity, at least in my personal experience, 7.1 is the DOS infrastructure under Windows 98 se, even broader processor speed. but that is me. I am a firm believer in the Personal in personal computer, would not expect another person to make choices based on my own..we are different people after all. Kare On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, andrew fabbro wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 4:29???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Forcibly demand? What an interesting choice of term..why not did the job for which i contracted them? He was making a joke as a way of asking why you would want to run MS-DOS 7.1. IIRC it was never intended to be a standalone product.?? I'm curious what the personal reasons are, or what 7.1 gives you that 6.22 (or FreeDOS) can't. -- andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Humor is an individual thing. The package I use incorporates ms DOS 7.1 with a number of utilities updated from 6.22. I have scores of reasons for preferring the package, using a full sized USB keyboard as I am doing now to write this email is just one of them. Greater memory and hard drive capacity, at least in my personal experience, 7.1 is the DOS infrastructure under Windows 98 se, even broader processor speed. but that is me. I am a firm believer in the Personal in personal computer, would not expect another person to make choices based on my own..we are different people after all. Kare On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, andrew fabbro wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 4:29???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Forcibly demand? What an interesting choice of term..why not did the job for which i contracted them? He was making a joke as a way of asking why you would want to run MS-DOS 7.1. IIRC it was never intended to be a standalone product. I'm curious what the personal reasons are, or what 7.1 gives you that 6.22 (or FreeDOS) can't. -- andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What cd-rom drivers does FreeDOS use ?
certainly, I use a number of adaptive technology tools due to the experience of sight loss. One of those tools is internal speech synthesizer card built by digital equipment corporation called the dectalk. For some reason developers of the software, the program has drivers to which other screen reading programs communicate, share that those drivers will not load correctly if the driver I referenced is loaded. there is an assumed but not actual, address conflict, between both this driver, and some actual cd rom brands. What results is that you cannot use the cd rom or DVD rom drive and also use the speech. As I require both, I seek an alternative to the referenced vide_cdd driver. Does that help? Karen On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, Jose Senna via Freedos-user wrote: Karen Llewellen said: The driver providing an issue is one called vide_cdd Would you please tell what is the issue ? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Hi Bret, Sorry busy hands. The driver providing an issue is one called vide_cdd According to dectalk documentation ide cdroms made by asser and another company had challenges too, but the driver listed above presented the largest challenge. My units are not that old, but I am using this driver with the hardware one for my cdrom. I do have other units here, but only that vide_cdd driver is consistently referenced. Do you know of a comparative substitute? Would that substitute have to work with only specific cdrom or dvdrom drives? Thanks, Karen On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Bret Johnson via Freedos-user wrote: Karen: Do you know which of the two CD-ROM drivers you are having trouble with? It takes two drivers to install a CD in DOS. One is the hardware-specific driver that may come with the CD hardware itself, but there are also several of them (like OAKCDROM.SYS) that will work with different hardware if they are "standard" enough (early CD hardware was not standard at all). The "output" of this driver is a character device that has a name, and all this driver does is provide access to the sectors on the disk -- it doesn't actually "understand" what the data is (e.g., whether it is a music CD or a data CD or something else). The second driver is usually MSCDEX, but there are also several clones of MSCDEX (e.g., SHSUCDX and NWCDEX). That driver "interfaces" with the first driver (you must tell MSCDEX what the name of the first driver is) and the "output" is a drive letter (a block device instead of a character device) that DOS can use (like D:) to access the files. Just like with floppies and hard drives where you can have different kinds of formatting (FAT12, FAT16, FAT32, exFAT, NTFS, HPFS, etc.), you can also have different kinds of formatting on CDs, DVDs, and BDs. The second driver is the one that needs to "understand" the different kinds of formatting to be able to turn it into a drive letter. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Forcibly demand? What an interesting choice of term..why not did the job for which i contracted them? On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Karen, On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:18 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: As many may recall I run msdos 7.1 instead of freedos for several personal reasons. Do the volunteers (engineers?) who help you set up your systems forcibly demand MS-DOS 7.1 exactly? We've discussed this before, so I'm not really trying to change your mind on it, just curious. (Why specifically MS-DOS? Why not DR-DOS? Or Datalight ROM-DOS?) I recently had a new machine built, just before Christmas, which also included my installing an external dectalk card, I have an ISA slot, the ling kind on this board. While the synthesizer works well, using it to support my writing this message, I have an odd problem. The dectalk software has a conflict that seems to impact cdrom drives, or the driver provided by Microsoft. Can't you just edit a CONFIG.SYS menu option to let you optionally boot without DecTalk when needing to access a physical CD-ROM? (BTW, dual boot with another OS is another possibility.) It is more than addresses, dectalk provides a way to locate a free one, user guides for both dectalk 4.1, what I am running, and 4.2 reference the driver issue. The suggested solution did not work..however I need a cd rom drive for scores of reasons. I assume you mean a modern DVD drive (20x speed or whatever) or possibly DVD-RW or such. leading to my question. Often on list I have read that freedos is in many ways better than MS DOS, with programs able to run under freedos. FreeDOS is strongly compatible and "Free" (libre), but not necessarily "better" in all ways, no. I now have a chance to test that theory, swapping in the cd rom driver freedos provides as a test? my driver again is not specific to my cd rom..never has been. Instead I use the basic driver supplied with ms dos 7.1, never having a problem until now. MS-DOS 7.1 was never a standalone product (unlike MS-DOS 6.22). It was bundled as part of Win95 or Win98 or whatever variant. So I don't know what came with it: OAKCDROM.SYS? What does Freedos provide with that kind of universal flexibility? I can only point you to the FreeDOS mirror on iBiblio: * https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/ But it's been years since I've bothered with physical CDs. (My 2022 Linux laptop has no optical drive, for instance.) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] what cd rom drivers does freedos use?
Hi folks, Here is why I am asking. As many may recall I run msdos 7.1 instead of freedos for several personal reasons. I recently had a new machine built, just before Christmas, which also included my installing an external dectalk card, I have an ISA slot, the ling kind on this board. While the synthesizer works well, using it to support my writing this message, I have an odd problem. The dectalk software has a conflict that seems to impact cdrom drives, or the driver provided by Microsoft. It is more than addresses, dectalk provides a way to locate a free one, user guides for both dectalk 4.1, what I am running, and 4.2 reference the driver issue. The suggested solution did not work..however I need a cd rom drive for scores of reasons. leading to my question. Often on list I have read that freedos is in many ways better than MS DOS, with programs able to run under freedos. I now have a chance to test that theory, swapping in the cd rom driver freedos provides as a test? my driver again is not specific to my cd rom..never has been. Instead I use the basic driver supplied with ms dos 7.1, never having a problem until now. What does Freedos provide with that kind of universal flexibility? Thanks, Kare ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] roundcube, is freedos, or dos based mail clients?
Hi, a few years back, before the Pandemic, we had a serious Shellworld crash. At the time I sought to contact them, did not reach a person, however. Likewise at the time, I believe? they did not allow mail to be sent. it has been a few years. Will try to contact them once more, even if all they do is give me a place for my gmail content, one to use for forwarding, and a replacement for those communications, it will be worth the extra anything. With appreciation, Karen L On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Michael Brutman via Freedos-user wrote: It's difficult to follow all of the details of the discussion. Have you ever looked at getting a shell account on sdf.org? It still supports plain old Telnet I think it comes with an email address. They support POP3 and IMAP access to the email too. Links and Lynx are available there when using Telnet, but it doesn't look like either have Javascript enabled. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] roundcube, is freedos, or dos based mail clients?
Hi, When the individual setting up my test actually checked the send button, he documented that it is not coded correctly likely why it appears three different ways in different browsers. I am not using the editor provided by roundcube to compose, instead my editor is set as a part of each browser in their own configuration files, pico in all three cases. Therefore when i reached the edit box say to compose a message, I simply used the command to start my own editor. Speaking personally, what roundcube does does not mean other webmail programs will create the send button the same. JavaScript is a Language, and as I shared normally even Lynx can submit such buttons using a keystroke that is part of the more current editions, 2021 or later. So, it can certainly be fixed, if a human can be reached. Forum uses image captcha to register though. On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi! Thanks for your roundcube webmail tests! Both interesting and annoying that most features work with most text based browsers - except sending mail, due to JS in the send button! Anyone at all know if roundcube has a support team? This tool could be amazing with some slight JavaScript fixes. https://roundcube.net/support/ lists a community forum, bug tracker, several mailing lists (probably not what you need) and an IRC chat. The bug tracker, forum and chat should help you. A quick search in the forum suggests that roundcube used an editor called tinymce to compose mails, I wonder if it would be possible to switch off the editor to be able to write mails with less javascript usage? It may help to switch to text-only instead of HTML mail composition, if there is an option which lets you choose. There is an interactive drop down menu to edit either in HTML or plain text, but I guess that uses a script, too? User preferences or configuration should have an option compose HTML messages, choices always / never or similar. Related keywords may include HTML editor or rich text. https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5937 "Send a reply and archive in one action button" is vaguely related because whoever addresses that feature request will also know how send buttons are to be processed. Trying to find an answer on roundcubeforum.net I got the impression that people did not get answers at all when their questions were not specific/detailed enough. Sometimes people report that send mail button does not do anything and got the reply that the roundcube server was misconfigured. I guess this can be excluded in your case and you have tested that sending DOES work okay if a fully javascript enabled web browser is used? Some skins (graphical look and feel choices) appear to have send buttons arranged in different ways. Sometimes there is more than one send button visible at the same time, with the extra buttons using javascript to "press" the main button, if I read correctly between the lines. There also seems to be the issue that TAB switches to the next form field or button (for example send) which annoys people who want to type TAB as part of a mail. If roundcube manipulates this, it may affect usability. https://www.roundcubeforum.net/index.php/topic,29737.msg75552.html has somebody find out that their browser plugins interfere with whether the send button works. Not helpful for your problem, but suggests that this button indeed contains more complexity than necessary in some way. I am probably not very good in navigating advanced search in forum or bug list. Maybe asking on IRC works better? Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] roundcube, is freedos, or dos based mail clients?
Hi folks, reporting back as a member of the greater Toronto Linux users group likes playing..allot, with mailbox configuration, hosting his own. As he uses roundcube, he created a way for me to text, creating an account and so forth. because the link was simple I could test in lynx, in links, and in elinks, as compiled here at shellworld. almost everything worked..perfectly. The thing that does not, is frankly a sloppy crying shame. I could log in, reach my inbox area, choose to check my inbox and get correct information, compose an email, including editing the email body..everything but actually send the email itself. That is because the send button has been JavaScript coded to be disabled from the keyboard. Lynx has a keystroke that allows you to submit these buttons anyway, if coded correctly. led me to a 510 server error. As I upped the JavaScript friendliness, links and elinks can be compiled for it, I discovered the problem. the send button is actually java script coded to be harmless..I am serious. There is a rule in the web content access guidelines for this, stating that all JavaScript must work from the keyboard. Basic reason? those who cannot lift or point a mouse, including those embodying paraplegia. even voice browsers draw upon a form of html, simulate that submit button using enter key infrastructure. Anyone at all know if roundcube has a support team? This tool could be amazing with some slight JavaScript fixes. Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?
Hi mart, Eric and all. Sharing more details, thanks for all these ideas. Because there is no direct inclusive tool for me with the combination of adaptive technology I use in Linux, I ssh telnet from my DOS computer into shellworld using the recently updated sshdos program. Further, I use ssh from within shellworld itself to reach the dreamhost workspaces that they provide curtain up distribution INC. For the record, dreamhost does not really support the programs they provide on their hosting shells, they simply put them there. Shellworld, on the other hand, has a vested interest in inclusion, so incorporates more of a blending, Ubuntu mixed with other tools, some of which like e-links are compiled with a bit more graphics, same for Links, and Lynx..the latter has a keystroke that can submit JavaScript only buttons for example. In sum, here, not all the text tools are strictly text so to speak. now for my gmail needs. mart, my karen.lewel...@gmail.com address not only existed for several professional services, it provided an inclusive way for me to manage files, safely communicate on lists, even serve on organization boards. I have contacts there, files there, data there that losing would be hard to articulate for me personally. What that means in terms of mail forwarding is that, for this email, that door would not be enough. I have a second email account, lewellen...@gmail.com That I lost basic html access too after a library visit. That account has been forwarding to my personal website email, but because I do not actually see all the email there, like what google may decide is spam, nor have access to the full inbox, allot of research has been lost. I do not want to suffer that again. if I am forthright, I am unsure I have the emotional bondage to deal with that loss just now. While I agree with Eric that graphical might not be the solution, I add the qualifier that it depends on how that tool is constructed. I use graphical DOS software all the time, wordperfect for example, which presents stuff to my adaptive tools that lets me read them. I may download this package and see if it can speak. especially if that gives me what I require here. command line does not automatically equal text, or non graphical as it were. So, to sum 1. My requirements are a tool that once configured gives me full access to my gmail information, inbox, sent mail, contacts and the like. If I am importing that to another service, that is fine, so long as that provider gives me a tool that blends well with my combination of adaptive tools. If not, then I will still need, at least for a while, to send email using my gmail address, its not just about reading things, its about well established interactions, personal legal, and professional. We do have mutt, pine, and alpine here at shellworld. using them for this goal would depend on 1, if mutt once configured will present my gmail contents in full the way pine and alpine can, and 2, if I can configure alpine or pine here for gmail, instead of just setting up a forward..mutt as well I suppose. Personally, I do not care for alpine, but that is due to the mayhem using it via dreamhost has been for years, everything from my inbox closing..all the time, to lost emails, and timeout errors. Anyway, based on these details, what should be my best next step? I may need to locate, possibly compensate someone to do the configuring, I am no programmer to be sure. With appreciation, Kare On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On 22/11/2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Does anybody here have experience with using a squirrelmail or roundcoube webmail in links? Might need less java script compared to gmail to use those, and one could forward the gmail mail to a mail provider with squirrelmail or roundcube. I did use SquirrelMail in Links & text-mode Linux 1-2 years ago. IIRC, Navigating frames (which SM uses) was slightly annoying, but doable. Because it is simple HTML, it should be possible to skip SM's side pane altogether and only display the mailbox view, though. Even if it was (due to the frames) not exactly a streamlined experience, I was definitely able to read and write mails, so for smaller workloads, it is fine. There is also the w3m text browser, which had handy vi-like keybindings etc, but the tables and frames rendering is not as good as in Links. Apparently there has been a DJGPP-based port, but (after some googling) it might have been from ~20 years ago. http://w3m.rocks/ https://github.com/albfan/w3m/blob/master/doc/README (confirmation on the DOS port) I can't remember if I ever tried to use Gmail with w3m, though. In any case, Links was better at this. I was actually going to suggest the exact same solution (forwarding Gmail to a SM-based account). I'll very probably have to go the same route myself, because Gmail's default view always feels a bit "too much of everything". Or ditch
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?
As I physically cannot use Linux outside of the shell services I use, that door is possible, just not from my desktop. I do have a question though. Does your configuration give you total access to email contents, folders sent mail, contact lists and the like? I may need to pay someone to do the configuring for me here at shellworld for my gmail account. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Nicholas Bernhard via Freedos-user wrote: I'm using Mutt right now, a command-line email client for Linux. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 07:01:11PM -0600, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:17 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue as of today. Did they state a reason? Maintenance burden? Or just better security? Because email was always plain text and pretty insecure. Realistically, I wonder if there are supported Chromebooks for sale with good accessibility options for basic tasks (emails, word processing, browsing the web). (In some ways, I feel they aren't tested well or aren't supported for long or just scattered in obscure locations with little promotion.) A second option would be a command line browser tool that substituted for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld. I assume Ubuntu is much, much better supported. Surely somebody on Linux (or BSD) does email via terminal / commandline. My question is this. is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something that might meet this need? Text-based? Probably not. Though I always say it's not impossible ... but, in reality, there are so few DJGPP volunteers that a lot doesn't get done. Georg Potthast did a graphical (FLTK) FLmail a while back. I never tested it (and it's probably somewhat unstable), but I bet that mostly works. "FLMAIL91.zipFlMail email client version 0.91" "FLMAIL91.zip2014-11-145.2 MB" * https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/Applications/Binary%20versions%20of%20FLTK%20applications/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?
Hi folks, Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue as of today. Because I keep a great deal of content in my personal gmail account, even using their web interface to convert documents I must sometimes read, I am seeking alternatives. If I am honest, my preference would be an email client I can incorporate with Links for DOS and run from my desktop, that would pass gmail's noninclusive for me due to my combination of disability experiences verification process. Or something I can set up that gives me access to all of my content. A second option would be a command line browser tool that substituted for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld. My question is this. is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something that might meet this need? Thanks for ideas and questions, Kare ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
well..this was an adventure I hope not to encounter again. First, the t command, which I was told would test integrity failed all together. so did, unlike with pk branded zip items, running p7zip on an archive in a different directory, even with the DPMI file right beside the thing. What finally worked was putting the p7zip executable file, and the cwsdpmi executable actually in the directory along side the .7z archive in question. extracted it with the x option as I had been told would work. messy business speaking personally, but if the thing expects a package manager, that may be the reason. Thanks for all the help everyone! Kare ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
Sorry, I have a retraction. links20f works fine, not giving me the dpmi error. p7zip does however. going to try a small trick, especially as I will only need this once. everything crossed. On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Thanks again Eric! I was likewise confused by some of what is here. your wisdom about what to run has presented another challenge. now, this is the first time in a while a machine has been built for me, without my being present for the dos installation itself. when I run the p7zip command I get a load error no DPMI as an aside, I get this when I now run links20f as well. such did not happen previously, leading me to guess something is not loading as it should, or loading that should not. How do I correct the DPMI error, and where, autoexec.bat or config.sys? Thanks again, Karen On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi! > I did download Eric's file, as I do not use freedos. While you get extra package management features by opening our zipped app packages with a package manager, unzipping them with any UNZIP style tool will usually be sufficient. So you should be fine. > The information indicates that it might be a port of a windows package. > My search suggested that I should fine an executable called 7za, > or even just 7z, but it is not?? there. > the p7z file does not work at all. There are two EXE files in the download: 624292 bx defX 09-Mar-05 00:00 ARCHIVER/P7ZIP/P7ZIP.EXE 542956 bx defX 09-Mar-04 23:48 ARCHIVER/P7ZIP/P7ZIPR.EXE When you run p7zip -h or p7zipr -h they will show the help text which makes me assume that they are two different compiles of a standard 7-zip binary. I have no idea why they got renamed to p7zip here? The directory also contains various text documents and a subdirectory with a HTML manual. In addition, there are APPINFO, LINKS and SOURCE directories. The former contains metadata about the package, the latter contains a zip with the source code and the LINKS directory contains a batch file which seems to be meant as a wrapper to be put in your path to call p7zip.exe without having to add the archiver p7zip directory to your path. It does not pass the command line arguments, though, which confuses me. In short, you should be able to just copy the exe and maybe the .1 documentation files from the ARCHIVER/P7ZIP directory into a directory in your path and keep everything else around at a place of your choice for some extra documentation. You do not need to use a package manager then. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
Thanks again Eric! I was likewise confused by some of what is here. your wisdom about what to run has presented another challenge. now, this is the first time in a while a machine has been built for me, without my being present for the dos installation itself. when I run the p7zip command I get a load error no DPMI as an aside, I get this when I now run links20f as well. such did not happen previously, leading me to guess something is not loading as it should, or loading that should not. How do I correct the DPMI error, and where, autoexec.bat or config.sys? Thanks again, Karen On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi! I did download Eric's file, as I do not use freedos. While you get extra package management features by opening our zipped app packages with a package manager, unzipping them with any UNZIP style tool will usually be sufficient. So you should be fine. The information indicates that it might be a port of a windows package. My search suggested that I should fine an executable called 7za, or even just 7z, but it is not there. the p7z file does not work at all. There are two EXE files in the download: 624292 bx defX 09-Mar-05 00:00 ARCHIVER/P7ZIP/P7ZIP.EXE 542956 bx defX 09-Mar-04 23:48 ARCHIVER/P7ZIP/P7ZIPR.EXE When you run p7zip -h or p7zipr -h they will show the help text which makes me assume that they are two different compiles of a standard 7-zip binary. I have no idea why they got renamed to p7zip here? The directory also contains various text documents and a subdirectory with a HTML manual. In addition, there are APPINFO, LINKS and SOURCE directories. The former contains metadata about the package, the latter contains a zip with the source code and the LINKS directory contains a batch file which seems to be meant as a wrapper to be put in your path to call p7zip.exe without having to add the archiver p7zip directory to your path. It does not pass the command line arguments, though, which confuses me. In short, you should be able to just copy the exe and maybe the .1 documentation files from the ARCHIVER/P7ZIP directory into a directory in your path and keep everything else around at a place of your choice for some extra documentation. You do not need to use a package manager then. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
I did download Eric's file, as I do not use freedos. The information indicates that it might be a port of a windows package. My search suggested that I should fine an executable called 7za, or even just 7z, but it is not there. the p7z file does not work at all. On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, Micha?~B Dec wrote: Hello Karen, As I've stated in my previous email: * unzip is for decompressing zip files * zip is for creating zip files * p7zip is for BOTH creating and extracting 7z files (and many more actually) With p7zip, this is not an Alcohol 68% and Alcohol 52% situation, like it is with zip and unzip ;) You can install all 3 from fdimples, which is the package manager for FreeDOS. fdimples should be able to use a CDROM, a USB pendrive, or a network connection to reach a repository and let you install whatever packages are available within. If you do not want to use fdimples, I'm afraid you'll have to download those files that Eric specified on Ibiblio and extract them into your FreeDOS partition. The disadvantage here is that you'll have to serve yourself to have these tools available in %PATH%, or, put up with having to use absolute paths to the executables of these programs. Hope it helps! Best regards, Micha?? Dec W dniu 01.11.2023 o??20:32, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user pisze: The file referenced by Eric, seems to have archiving tools, but not extracting ones. Unless I am missing something profoundly obvious?___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
I am sorry if this question is very very silly. My goal is to extract, not to create a 7zip file. The file referenced by Eric, seems to have archiving tools, but not extracting ones. Unless I am missing something profoundly obvious? Thanks profoundly, On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 10/31/2023 1:27 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: I do not have a freedos install cd. I understand that 7 zip files require the 7zip program...which is why I am seeking it somewhere. are such files given names like file.7zip? the latter does not keep the three character extension rule, which is why I am likewise asking. Karen The common file extension for 7Zip files is .7z Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] MSdos 7.1 question
sound..in what way? If you are using the install package, it includes sound drivers. Will need more specifics, i. e. you have a sound card that is not working how? Kare On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, Dale E Sterner via Freedos-user wrote: You use to promote MSdos 7.1. Have you ever found a way to get sound on it. I deleted a command called KILL on it. Do you know what that command does because I don't? I love the large file size that it supports. Freedos is limited to 2 gigs and PCdos stops a 8 gigs. cheers DS On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user writes: Thanks Eric, you are a prince. Karen On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi! According to https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/te st/report.html you can download http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/unst able/archiver/p7zip.zip for 7zip. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user **>>>> From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 ***>>>> ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
Thanks Eric, you are a prince. Karen On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi! According to https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/report.html you can download http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/unstable/archiver/p7zip.zip for 7zip. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
Hi Ralf, Thanks for the correct extension. Will download the file again saving it properly. I do not personally run freedos yet for many reasons, so my thanks to others for doors to the software as well. Kare On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 10/31/2023 1:27 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: I do not have a freedos install cd. I understand that 7 zip files require the 7zip program...which is why I am seeking it somewhere. are such files given names like file.7zip? the latter does not keep the three character extension rule, which is why I am likewise asking. Karen The common file extension for 7Zip files is .7z Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
I do not have a freedos install cd. I understand that 7 zip files require the 7zip program...which is why I am seeking it somewhere. are such files given names like file.7zip? the latter does not keep the three character extension rule, which is why I am likewise asking. Karen On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Micha�~B Dec wrote: Regular zip files can be decompressed with unzip. For compression, use zip. 7z files can be decompressed with 7zip. They're all on the full FreeDOS install CD. Best regards, Michał Dec W dniu 31.10.2023 o 21:20, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user pisze: Hi All, and a reminder how to set them apart from say .zip files? have such an archive, needed to get a machine built, and one program I am restoring is available as a 7zip file. Is there a DOS equal to the pk zip package? And should such files be named differently than just .zip? Thanks so much. With appreciation, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] 7zip for dOS?
Hi All, and a reminder how to set them apart from say .zip files? have such an archive, needed to get a machine built, and one program I am restoring is available as a 7zip file. Is there a DOS equal to the pk zip package? And should such files be named differently than just .zip? Thanks so much. With appreciation, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] quick help finding the dos driver for intel etherexpress pro 100+
Hi folks, when I locate the img file, its a 1.57, which I believe would fit on the later floppies, but apparently not on my 1.44 ones. So hoping to find a copy, even if in .zip that will fit? Apparently Intel has an entire package of drivers that include ones for DOS. However, I believe the ISO image needs a cd burn, likely not an option here, but will take the package if it can be found. Doing the work with sighted help on 26 October Toronto time. ideas? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] REMINDER: FreeDOS virtual get-together is tomorrow
Any chance for direct dial?
Will be on the road, away from my computer, but if you can send that door
off list I would be appreciative.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, Jim Hall via Freedos-user wrote:
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 10:29 AM Jim Hall wrote:
[..]
Let's do it! Plan for our FreeDOS virtual get-together for NEXT
SUNDAY, August 27 at 11am US/Central. (Use your favorite timezone
converter to find your local time.) We usually alternate topics every
month (technical v social) but we didn't get to meet last month - so
this meeting will be focused on "technical."
Hi everyone!
Just sharing a quick reminder about tomorrow's (Aug 27) virtual
get-together at 11am US/Central. I'll send the URL shortly before the
meeting starts.
The meeting is on BlueJeans. We've found that you may get video "lag"
if you connect using only a web browser ("web client") but performance
is much better if you download the (free) desktop client:
https://www.bluejeans.com/downloads
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Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Lifts hand!! do share, you never know who might find them joyously useful. Kare On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, Daniel Essin via Freedos-user wrote: I have a box full of PCMCIA ethernet cards. If anyone could use one, I could search them out and post a list. Dan On 7/24/23 6:13 PM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: > Hi folks, > Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. > That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for > the work it seems. > I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have > functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
yes, it has an ethernet port..USB ones as well. On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity
Hi, Can speak for no one but myself, to be sure. Still, I run DOS exclusively, having no issues reaching the internet with it, or this list smiles. My situation is unique however. for the record, I am not running freedos, or not as of yet, as I have not found a reason to choose it over my current DOS setup. That is just me though, Karen On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, Daniel Essin via Freedos-user wrote: Hello, I'm following this list and find it very interesting. I found it when I was trying to prepare myself to help a friend whose business in built around a DOS app. It's clear that many/most/all? have access to other computers and OSes. This would be obvious if only because one needs access to the internet even if only to get this list. This has made me curious. What are others using freedos for: business, curiosity, running retro games and apps for fun, to avoid total dependence on the evil empire, or something else? Dan ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] the freedos 1.3 floppy install edition.
Hi folks, did the obvious and visited the readme for the download section of freedos. While there is indeed a floppy only install, I understand one should over ride the 286 assumption with a switch to allow for say a p2 or p3 install? are the networking packages in this install? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
not sure why this came privately. Here is the situation. I experience sight loss, and am taking this thinkpad to my office where an associate is going to serve as my reader. Neither i, or anyone in the office space has access to a cd unit. Likewise I will not know in advance what thinkpad, but imagine it is old enough to perhaps match one of the networking drivers provided. So I am seeking the following. 1. are there floppy images for freedos, and if so where might I download them? 2. does this latest edition include the referenced set of networking drivers, and is there an option to install them? 3. does this latest compile include the last edition of the Links browser that uses some forms of JavaScript? I have it myself already, unless there has been a update, but wanted to ask. Thanks everyone, Karen On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 5:45 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? You'll have to hunt for them, sadly. also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? I don't know, but it should be easy to save. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi, Will see of I have a note about the thinkpad model from the person who put it together for me before. I experience sight loss, so providing those details will take some digging. the situation is that I have no way to burn a cd for install, even though the thinkpad has one. My goal was to get boot images, save them to floppies on this machine, take the laptop and floppies to my office and get help doing the install. My only reason for considering freedos is the chance for on board use of the Ethernet setup. Will hunt for what I might have on the machine. On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Louis Santillan wrote: AFAICT, the FDNET package contains packet drivers for (16-bit?) NE2000 and PCnet ethernet cards. The crynwr package has several dozen other packet drivers. If we knew the exact Thinkpad model, we could advise you better. http://crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html WRT saving items to floppy, are you considering a hard drive install or booting from floppy only? On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:46???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers (usually for old hardware). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers (usually for old hardware). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Louis Santillan wrote: Depends on the vintage of Thinkpad, but I wouldn't just assume a Thinkpad has a DOS compatible Ethernet card. I would verify. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:08???AM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi folks, Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. Am I correct? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi folks, Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. Am I correct? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
