Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
I don't think that SEAL (regardless under which name and incarnation, there were several IIRC) ever got to the point that it was in any form usable. Can't call this promising at all. All they got was some nice desktop picture, nothing more... You are wrong. There weren't many useful programs, BUT it provides most widgets and a Desktop! So if somebody had been started writing a GUI program, this would have been the first choice. But I think, this GUI were 5 years too late… Now there seems to be problems compiling the whole framework. Bye Flo -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
El 11.01.2012, a las 03:38, Ralf A. Quint escribió: I'd love to have you contribute to a GUI project. There have been several. The one with the longest history is OpenGEM, but the web site is now idle (http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/). The OpenGEM6 pre-release is the last we heard of this project, in 2006 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/). I wouldn't contribute to this GUI. The framework has no modern features, were very nice years back. But now… I would only contribute to GUIs, which are ports from Linux or at least are using libraries for the GNU C/C++ compiler. Florian -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
I find it tedious to download lots and lots of files from the DJGPP site and putting them into the DJGPP directory. In the process you have to make sure that old packages do not overwrite the files installed by new packages. And you may have selected the wrong version needed or just missed some files. Therefore I made a ZIP archive of my DJGPP directory which I know works with Nano-X and FLTK. So you may use that or try the one you already have. I did not modify or recompile any DJGPP code for this. If you want to develop with Nano-X you just need the binary version. There is also the source code which allows you to recompile Nano-X. Both versions contain user guides and examples. Georg Looks like a better option, specially because is a current project and is free. I see the download lists and I dont undersand what is that we must to download. http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list Is needed to download their djgpp package in order the run the calculator and other examples? -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
Since DJGPP is not up-to-date anymore a fresh installation is a pain! (new versions of the libraries, small fixes, etc, new versions of the compilers ...) Bye Florian El 11.01.2012, a las 12:27, nospam escribió: I find it tedious to download lots and lots of files from the DJGPP site and putting them into the DJGPP directory. In the process you have to make sure that old packages do not overwrite the files installed by new packages. And you may have selected the wrong version needed or just missed some files. Therefore I made a ZIP archive of my DJGPP directory which I know works with Nano-X and FLTK. So you may use that or try the one you already have. I did not modify or recompile any DJGPP code for this. If you want to develop with Nano-X you just need the binary version. There is also the source code which allows you to recompile Nano-X. Both versions contain user guides and examples. Georg Looks like a better option, specially because is a current project and is free. I see the download lists and I dont undersand what is that we must to download. http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list Is needed to download their djgpp package in order the run the calculator and other examples? -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
Do you have any info what happened to Shane/the OpenGEM project, the whole disappearance happened a bit quick and starring for several years now at the site that proclaims Something exciting is coming soon is a bit of a drag :-( ... Ralf IIRC, he became the IT Director or CIO for an organization somewhere in Europe. He said he always meant to go back to finish up the OpenGEM 6 prerelease, make a full release, but I guess he never had the opportunity with his new responsibilities. So the web site got stuck as-is. jh -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
At 12:30 AM 1/11/2012, Florian Xaver wrote: El 11.01.2012, a las 03:38, Ralf A. Quint escribió: I'd love to have you contribute to a GUI project. There have been several. The one with the longest history is OpenGEM, but the web site is now idle (http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/). The OpenGEM6 pre-release is the last we heard of this project, in 2006 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/). I wouldn't contribute to this GUI. The framework has no modern features, were very nice years back. But now What modern features would that be? I would only contribute to GUIs, which are ports from Linux or at least are using libraries for the GNU C/C++ compiler. Why encumber yourself on DOS with a behemoth of a Unix/Linux compiler? Nothing personal Florian, but this all seems to be exactly one of those cases where people are just trying to force DOS into a second coming of Linux... Ralf -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, nospam nos...@georgpotthast.de wrote: You may also be able to use Nano-X / NXlib which I have ported to DOS: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/ The port of the Dillo browser is based on this. Georg Hi Georg, I'm very interested in NanoX, and have been watching since I first heard about it. Very cool stuff! -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Tony t...@instaview.com wrote: For those of us that still have a copy in their box, DesqviewX might also be an option. I understand that its now considered abandonware and there is a download site for it, but you will have to Google, as i wont post it here, just in case it really isn't legit. However i don't know how well FreeDOS will play with QEMM. ( i should try it.. i miss Quarterdeck :) ) I vaguely remember Desqview from the time. It was an expensive package, and I was only a student so could not afford it. But I know it was a powerful system. There's a note on wikipedia about the availability of Desqview. This is owned by Symantec, although they haven't done anything with it, and their corporate counsel doesn't seem to respond to requests to clarify its status. So while it's abandonware, at least in the US it's not technically legal to distribute (IANAL) so I'll stay away from it. -jh -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote: The readme file says that the company name is xtreme sas, doing a google search appear this address and phone number. XTREME sas Padova Directory 95, v. Beato Pellegrino Padova, PD 35137 Phone: 049 8718245 See a map: http://maps.boomtrek.com/italy/padua/201201915456/xtreme-sas Thanks. I did another google based on your info, and found http://ita.bizdirlib.com/business_directory/Xtreme_s.a.s. as an interesting site. It shows an email address, which I will try. Very helpful! -jh -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
El 10/01/2012 02:51 a.m., nospam escribió: You may also be able to use Nano-X / NXlib which I have ported to DOS: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/ The port of the Dillo browser is based on this. Georg -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Looks like a better option, specially because is a current project and is free. I see the download lists and I dont undersand what is that we must to download. http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list Is needed to download their djgpp package in order the run the calculator and other examples? -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
At 03:16 PM 1/10/2012, Jim Hall wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Koh Choon Lin 2choon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi If someone is willing to start a free as in freedom graphical interface for FreeDOS, I am ready to contribute resources and money to the project. I'd love to have you contribute to a GUI project. There have been several. The one with the longest history is OpenGEM, but the web site is now idle (http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/). The OpenGEM6 pre-release is the last we heard of this project, in 2006 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/). That's IMHO the best option, specially as it is from the ground up DOS based. And the later/last version(s) weren't that bad at all. It's really a shame about Shane, what ever caused him to go into hibernation... There are a few others that have been working on GEM under different labels since it was released as Open Source, including some enhanced video drivers. Would be nice to see if those and possibly some new folks, who can still at least think in the ways old software works, could get something going again... Another promising GUI was SEAL, which seems to have also gone idle long before GEM. I don't think that SEAL (regardless under which name and incarnation, there were several IIRC) ever got to the point that it was in any form usable. Can't call this promising at all. All they got was some nice desktop picture, nothing more... As a result, I kind of pulled back from any particular GUI, and focused on the command line experience. But I would really like to see a nice GUI for FreeDOS. An X Windows implementation would be very interesting, for example. The problem with X Windows is that it is not DOS, it is Unix based from the very core, with quite some appetite for resources. So while it is a nice niche usage to be able to use a DOS based PC as an X terminal, I don't think that there is much point (beside proof of concept) to put much energy in an X server for (Free)DOS. Missing multi-tasking and somewhat limited IP networking capabilities put IMHO a fairly early limit to these efforts... I encourage you to look around for what's there, and see if you can move any of them forward. OpenGEM shows a lot of promise, but the graphics are dated and could use a refresh. Since it's GNU GPL, I imagine you could borrow from another GPL'd desktop environment, such as GNOME. I don't think neither that this is feasible nor that this would make too much sense. GNOME (or KDE, Xfce, insert your favorite Linux window manager of the day here for that matter) are all just like X Windows from their structure Unix/Linux based. Trying to force that on a single tasking DOS, with limited resources probably requires more resources/work than trying to somewhat modernize GEM. Ralf -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
At 05:49 PM 1/10/2012, Marco Achury wrote: Looks like a better option, specially because is a current project and is free. ... (see my reply to Jim) I see the download lists and I dont undersand what is that we must to download. http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/listhttp://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list Is needed to download their djgpp package in order the run the calculator and other examples? To run it, no. But if you want change/compile it or do anything what else that people rave about when referring to FOSS, then the answer is yes. You'll need the whole shebang, as this is required to provide all those nice *ix tools to produce the running binary... Ralf -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
I encourage you to look around for what's there, and see if you can move any of them forward. OpenGEM shows a lot of promise, but the graphics are dated and could use a refresh. Since it's GNU GPL, I imagine you could borrow from another GPL'd desktop environment, such as GNOME. I don't think neither that this is feasible nor that this would make too much sense. GNOME (or KDE, Xfce, insert your favorite Linux window manager of the day here for that matter) are all just like X Windows from their structure Unix/Linux based. Trying to force that on a single tasking DOS, with limited resources probably requires more resources/work than trying to somewhat modernize GEM. I should have been more clear. I meant to suggest reusing graphics elements (icons) from Gnome to refresh the look of OpenGEM. I didn't mean to suggest borrowing code from Gnome to update functionality of OpenGEM. As you said, these come from totally different architectural backgrounds, so straight-up reuse of code is not a good use of time. I had a conversation along these lines with Shane once, about the graphics, and he pointed me to a dev tool in OpenGEM that would convert graphics for use as GEM icons. I think it's been there since OpenGEM5. jh -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS
At 08:39 PM 1/10/2012, jhall wrote: I encourage you to look around for what's there, and see if you can move any of them forward. OpenGEM shows a lot of promise, but the graphics are dated and could use a refresh. Since it's GNU GPL, I imagine you could borrow from another GPL'd desktop environment, such as GNOME. I don't think neither that this is feasible nor that this would make too much sense. GNOME (or KDE, Xfce, insert your favorite Linux window manager of the day here for that matter) are all just like X Windows from their structure Unix/Linux based. Trying to force that on a single tasking DOS, with limited resources probably requires more resources/work than trying to somewhat modernize GEM. I should have been more clear. I meant to suggest reusing graphics elements (icons) from Gnome to refresh the look of OpenGEM. I didn't mean to suggest borrowing code from Gnome to update functionality of OpenGEM. As you said, these come from totally different architectural backgrounds, so straight-up reuse of code is not a good use of time. Ok, that is a slightly different issue. Though a bit of a chicken and egg problem, all those fancy icons, etc won't do you much good if you don't have the graphics drivers to display them... In my personal view, less is sometimes more and I take functionality over glitter any day... ;-) That was also one of the things that prevented me from taking that Seal stuff serious, they were more concerned to borrow fancy icons from Windows XP than actually getting things (application, real ones, not just some simply games) working... I had a conversation along these lines with Shane once, about the graphics, and he pointed me to a dev tool in OpenGEM that would convert graphics for use as GEM icons. I think it's been there since OpenGEM5. Do you have any info what happened to Shane/the OpenGEM project, the whole disappearance happened a bit quick and starring for several years now at the site that proclaims Something exciting is coming soon is a bit of a drag :-( ... Ralf -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
