Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-04-02 Thread Blair Campbell
> There is no physical SCSI bus in that machine.
> The disk wodim found must be the virtual device
> created by aspi.sys.

Yes; cdrecord and wodim cannot use ATAPI devices directly in DOS;
that's why they

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[Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-04-02 Thread jasse...@itelefonica.com.br
Blair Campbell said:

>Did you load aspi.sys after xcdrom?  
 Yes, and it did create a new DOS character device:
  SCSIMGR$

>Try running wodim -scanbus and see if it finds your 
>drive.
>You might need to specify dev=3Dx,x,x 
>to tell it which drive to use.

 Running wodim -scanbus results (after about
  5 minutes) in the following message:
  
 scsibus 0:
 0.0.0  0) .. NON CCS DISK
 0.1.0  1) *
 0.2.0  2) *
 0.3.0  3) *
 0.4.0  4) *
 0.5.0  5) *
 0.6.0  6) *
 0.7.0  7) *

There is no physical SCSI bus in that machine. 
The disk wodim found must be the virtual device
created by aspi.sys.

Regards,
  JAS


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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-27 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Bernd, Blair,

> points to the 7zip: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/xgcdrm24.7z
>> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?

> Seems like by using the real CWSDPMI things now do work. However not 
> able to do any further testing till I get my hands on a rewriteable 
> disc. Hopefully I'll find some time this week to integrate an updating 
> mechanism into the installation disc.

Rewriteable disks are always a very nice way to test and develop
distros of various operating systems and for carrying around data
if your USB stick is full :-). Did you report the problem with
the other-than-real-CWSDPMI DOS extender / DPMI host to the ones
who maintain that other DOS extender or DPMI host? Thanks :-).

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-24 Thread Blair Campbell
>> I first loaded xgcdrom as usual, then loaded
>> aspi.sys after
>> (http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys),
>> and used wodim to record (on my homepage at
>> http://blairdude.googlepages.com/cdrkit)
>
>  Thank you for the help, but I still would
> like to know what Oleg O. Chukaev uses, since he
> does not use an ATAPI driver.
>  BTW, with a setup very similar to yours (xcdrom
> instead of xgcdrom) in a machine running a MSDOS
> window under Windows 98 I was unable to write a
> CD: wodin rejected -clone, -sao, -dao and ,when
> I let it choose, it used -tao and failed to
> find the CD drive. The drive, of course, exists
> and I am able to use it to read CDs with xcdrom
> and shsucdx. I also had an ISO9660 image on HD
> to test writing to the CD-R.

Did you load aspi.sys after xcdrom?  Try running wodim -scanbus and
see if it finds your drive.  You might need to specify dev=x,x,x to
tell it which drive to use.
>
> Best regards
>  JAS
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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-24 Thread jasse...@itelefonica.com.br
Blair Campbell said:

> I first loaded xgcdrom as usual, then loaded
> aspi.sys after 
> (http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys),
> and used wodim to record (on my homepage at
> http://blairdude.googlepages.com/cdrkit)

  Thank you for the help, but I still would
like to know what Oleg O. Chukaev uses, since he
does not use an ATAPI driver.
 BTW, with a setup very similar to yours (xcdrom
instead of xgcdrom) in a machine running a MSDOS
window under Windows 98 I was unable to write a
CD: wodin rejected -clone, -sao, -dao and ,when
I let it choose, it used -tao and failed to 
find the CD drive. The drive, of course, exists
and I am able to use it to read CDs with xcdrom
and shsucdx. I also had an ISO9660 image on HD
to test writing to the CD-R.

Best regards
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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-24 Thread Blair Campbell
> Would you please inform whether you used XGCDROM as
> driver, the recording program you used, any command line
> options and where that recording program can be found ?

I first loaded xgcdrom as usual, then loaded aspi.sys after
(http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys), and used wodim to
record (on my homepage at http://blairdude.googlepages.com/cdrkit)

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-24 Thread jasse...@itelefonica.com.br
A question to Oleg O. Chukaev:
 You said
>Blair Campbell wrote:
 does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver
 to be loaded first?
>>> No. Programs like cdrecord and readcd can work
>>> without an ATAPI driver.
>> No they can't if you're using an ATAPI drive.
>They CAN. ;-) Yesterday I successfully read and
> wrote CDs w/o an ATAPI driver.

Would you please inform whether you used XGCDROM as
driver, the recording program you used, any command line
options and where that recording program can be found ?

Thanks for your attention
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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-23 Thread Oleg O. Chukaev
Hello Blair,

Blair Campbell wrote:
>>> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?
>> No. Programs like cdrecord and readcd can work without an ATAPI driver.
> 
> No they can't if you're using an ATAPI drive.
They CAN. ;-) Yesterday I successfully read and wrote CDs w/o an ATAPI 
driver.


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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-22 Thread Blair Campbell
>> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?
> No. Programs like cdrecord and readcd can work without an ATAPI driver.

No they can't if you're using an ATAPI drive.  ASPI.SYS won't load if
an ATAPI driver isn't loaded already.  ASPI.SYS provides an
ASPI-over-ATAPI interface; it does not comunicate with SCSI devices.

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-22 Thread Oleg O. Chukaev
Hello Bernd,

Bernd Blaauw wrote:
> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?
No. Programs like cdrecord and readcd can work without an ATAPI driver.


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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-22 Thread Blair Campbell
> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?

Yes.  Load xgcdrom or something first, then load aspi.sys.  Using
devload worked fine for me.

> I hope to get the real system workable but no idea why it hangs. Wish I
> knew if the GCDROM/ASPI.SYS combination actually worked, as that would
> allow recording on a lot of real systems

Well I tested xgcdrom/aspi on a real machine here, and it worked
(DVD+-RW drive), so at least on my system it works for a real system.
I have not tested it in a virtual environment.

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-22 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Bernd Blaauw schreef:
> Blair Campbell schreef:
>   
 points to the 7zip: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/xgcdrm24.7z
   
 
> does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?
>
>   
Seems like by using the real CWSDPMI things now do work. However not 
able to do any further testing till I get my hands on a rewriteable 
disc. Hopefully I'll find some time this week to integrate an updating 
mechanism into the installation disc.

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-22 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Blair Campbell schreef:
>>> points to the 7zip: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/xgcdrm24.7z
>>>   
does ASPI.SYS by Oak require a ATAPI driver to be loaded first?

> At the end of recording wodim spit out an error message about not
> closing the session or something, so I pressed Ctrl-C twice and it
> ended the wodim execution.  I then manually ejected the DVD and
> re-insterted it.  When I did dir d:\, all of the files in the ISO were
> present, and I was able to successfully read the files on the DVD.
>   
WODIM works for me as well, but only in VMWARE so far, and only when 
using SCSI CDROM support and loading the BTDOSM.SYS ASPI driver for the 
Buslogic controller. Not tried the emulated Intel controller.
Problem with using IDE for CDROM is I get invalid/unsupported DMA 
commands according to an error screen from VMware Workstation 6.5x
Problem with real machine is WODIM seems to hang whenever I try using 
it, might be due to the HXRT extender instead of CWSDPMI. It's a 
Core2Duo Nvidia-chipset based machine with DVD Rewriter still on IDE 
(not SATA).

I've not tried GENISOImage yet, simply booted a Fdos ISO in Vmware and 
used the OMI program by Jason Hood.
With a bit of luck I'll get my hands on some rewriteable DVDs soon, 
which should allow me to boot FreeDOS from CD/DVD, and write an updated 
version to the same disc
(load ramdisk, copy contents to ramdisk, modify contents, generate new 
ISO, erase DVD+RW, write ISO to DVD+RW)
> So it works, but there are bugs (most likely in cdrkit).  Soon I will
> also test the cdrecord I compiled (I already tested mkisofs, which
> does not require -allow-limited-size as genisoimage does).  Perhaps
> cdrecord will not require Ctrl-C to end the execution; who knows.
>   
I only had to wait.
> Note that I do not know whether the drive I tested on is SATA or not.
> Perhaps also wodim has options that will cause it to execute
> correctly.  I'll let someone else more familiar with these utilities
> do the testing :-).
>
> Does anybody have an opinion as to which is better? (cdrkit vs. cdrtools)
> Do I have any willing testers for other drives? (you should probably
> use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs)
>   
I hope to get the real system workable but no idea why it hangs. Wish I 
knew if the GCDROM/ASPI.SYS combination actually worked, as that would 
allow recording on a lot of real systems

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-17 Thread Blair Campbell
> I do hope you can make a working copy, I've never succeed burning any CD/DVD
> under DOS.

Why don't you give it a test? :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-17 Thread Blair Campbell
> Any chance all of your compiled stuff is available in public sometime?

Ok; cdrkit is available at http://blairdude.googlepages.com/cdrkit
(source and binary packages).

> I'd love to test DVD recording as I've always wanted to be able to

Yes please test and let me know the results.  I also just fixed the
bug in genisoimage so you will no longer need -allow-limited-size to
create an iso.

> I'm not sure about the status of XGCDROM.SYS, was it open source yet

I believe it is a combination of xcdrom (GPL) and gcdrom (SATA-only,
based on xcdrom) to have a driver which supports both PATA and SATA.
So yes, it is open-source.

> No idea which one would be better, never found a working DOS CDRTOOLS
> for DVD (CDDL license was it?), never found any DOS port of CDRKIT
> (GPL?) at all.

I'm pretty sure that the cdrecord included with FD 1.0 had DVD support
IIRC.  Since cdrkit is based on cdrtools, the code needed to compile
for DJGPP was still there, I just wrote some makefiles to compile it
because I couldn't get cmake to work for me.  And there were some very
minor code changes.

cdrkit is available under the GPL, and cdrtools is partly available
under the CDDL and partly under the GPL (supposedly incompatible to
each other - debate over the topic led to cdrkit forking from the last
GPL version)... at least the way I understand it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-16 Thread Johnson Lam
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:32:09 +0100, you wrote:

Hi,

>I'm not sure about the status of XGCDROM.SYS, was it open source yet 
>like earlier of Jack's no longer available versions? If it is, it means 
>the closed-source ASPI.SYS could be replaced as well if someone's able 
>to write an ASPI driver for ATAPI/SCSI (possibly USB/Firewire/SATA as 
>well but oh well).

Feel free to use the existing code flowing around, as Jack didn't care (and no
way to take care, so he left it "as is").

>> Does anybody have an opinion as to which is better? (cdrkit vs. cdrtools)
>> Do I have any willing testers for other drives? (you should probably
>> use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs)

I do hope you can make a working copy, I've never succeed burning any CD/DVD
under DOS.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-16 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Blair Campbell schreef:
> No you're not :-).
> First, I compiled the latest version of cdrtools (the current one is
> way outdated), which is cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD 2.01.01a58.
> Then, I discovered that some linux distributions forked cdrtools
> because of licencing issues, so I decided to try their fork
> (www.cdrkit.org) and successfully compiled that.
>   
Hi Blair,

Any chance all of your compiled stuff is available in public sometime? 
I'd love to test DVD recording as I've always wanted to be able to 
remaster the FreeDOS disc from within a FreeDOS CDROM itself, and 
managed to do so except for the cd recording itself (using an old 
version of cdrecord).
That would allow both remastering the bootfloppy used for memdisk as 
well as updating the cd with new packages :).
> So to test I loaded xgcdrom.sys, then oakaspi.sys (ASPI over ATAPI
> driver; http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys)
>   
I'm not sure about the status of XGCDROM.SYS, was it open source yet 
like earlier of Jack's no longer available versions? If it is, it means 
the closed-source ASPI.SYS could be replaced as well if someone's able 
to write an ASPI driver for ATAPI/SCSI (possibly USB/Firewire/SATA as 
well but oh well).
> Does anybody have an opinion as to which is better? (cdrkit vs. cdrtools)
> Do I have any willing testers for other drives? (you should probably
> use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs)
>   
No idea which one would be better, never found a working DOS CDRTOOLS 
for DVD (CDDL license was it?), never found any DOS port of CDRKIT 
(GPL?) at all.

Thanks for your continued efforts :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-15 Thread Blair Campbell
> At the end of recording wodim spit out an error message about not
> closing the session or something, so I pressed Ctrl-C twice and it
> ended the wodim execution.  I then manually ejected the DVD and

So after further testing, cdrecord (original) also does this, but if I
wait long enough, execution finishes on its own and the files appear
to be written correctly.  It would seem that at least for me, cdrkit
works just as well as the original cdrtools except for the genisoimage
bug mentioned earlier.

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Re: [Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-15 Thread Blair Campbell
Hey I just came up with this thought.  Anybody with a USB CD/DVD-RW
drive?  I think it would be an interesting test to see if USBASPI.SYS
works with cdrtools/cdrkit.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Blair Campbell  wrote:
>>> points to the 7zip: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/xgcdrm24.7z
>>
>> Would this driver work for recording? on any drive?
>>
>> Maybe I am just daydreaming :)
>
> No you're not :-).
> First, I compiled the latest version of cdrtools (the current one is
> way outdated), which is cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD 2.01.01a58.
> Then, I discovered that some linux distributions forked cdrtools
> because of licencing issues, so I decided to try their fork
> (www.cdrkit.org) and successfully compiled that.
> Note that genisoimage (mkisofs-equivalent in cdrkit) for some reason
> requires -allow-limited-size to be able to create any isos (this is a
> bug).
> So to test I loaded xgcdrom.sys, then oakaspi.sys (ASPI over ATAPI
> driver; http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys)
> Then I created a test ISO with genisoimage -J -allow-limited-size -o
> test.iso testdir...
> Then I executed wodim test.iso.
>
> At the end of recording wodim spit out an error message about not
> closing the session or something, so I pressed Ctrl-C twice and it
> ended the wodim execution.  I then manually ejected the DVD and
> re-insterted it.  When I did dir d:\, all of the files in the ISO were
> present, and I was able to successfully read the files on the DVD.
>
> So it works, but there are bugs (most likely in cdrkit).  Soon I will
> also test the cdrecord I compiled (I already tested mkisofs, which
> does not require -allow-limited-size as genisoimage does).  Perhaps
> cdrecord will not require Ctrl-C to end the execution; who knows.
> Note that I do not know whether the drive I tested on is SATA or not.
> Perhaps also wodim has options that will cause it to execute
> correctly.  I'll let someone else more familiar with these utilities
> do the testing :-).
>
> Does anybody have an opinion as to which is better? (cdrkit vs. cdrtools)
> Do I have any willing testers for other drives? (you should probably
> use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs)
>

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[Freedos-user] XGCDROM and CD/DVD Recording

2009-03-15 Thread Blair Campbell
>> points to the 7zip: http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/xgcdrm24.7z
>
> Would this driver work for recording? on any drive?
>
> Maybe I am just daydreaming :)

No you're not :-).
First, I compiled the latest version of cdrtools (the current one is
way outdated), which is cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD 2.01.01a58.
Then, I discovered that some linux distributions forked cdrtools
because of licencing issues, so I decided to try their fork
(www.cdrkit.org) and successfully compiled that.
Note that genisoimage (mkisofs-equivalent in cdrkit) for some reason
requires -allow-limited-size to be able to create any isos (this is a
bug).
So to test I loaded xgcdrom.sys, then oakaspi.sys (ASPI over ATAPI
driver; http://www.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw/aspi.sys)
Then I created a test ISO with genisoimage -J -allow-limited-size -o
test.iso testdir...
Then I executed wodim test.iso.

At the end of recording wodim spit out an error message about not
closing the session or something, so I pressed Ctrl-C twice and it
ended the wodim execution.  I then manually ejected the DVD and
re-insterted it.  When I did dir d:\, all of the files in the ISO were
present, and I was able to successfully read the files on the DVD.

So it works, but there are bugs (most likely in cdrkit).  Soon I will
also test the cdrecord I compiled (I already tested mkisofs, which
does not require -allow-limited-size as genisoimage does).  Perhaps
cdrecord will not require Ctrl-C to end the execution; who knows.
Note that I do not know whether the drive I tested on is SATA or not.
Perhaps also wodim has options that will cause it to execute
correctly.  I'll let someone else more familiar with these utilities
do the testing :-).

Does anybody have an opinion as to which is better? (cdrkit vs. cdrtools)
Do I have any willing testers for other drives? (you should probably
use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs)

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