Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

My printer is an old PCL 6 command language printer.
Just send it a simple PCL string and it will do anything
I want. New win printers have all their smarts removed
and placed in a windows file. Windows now does
what the inner works of the printer use to do. It
forces you to use windows.

cheers
DS


On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 07:20:45 + "Thomas Mueller" 
writes:
> Excerpt from Eric Auer:
> 
> > High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported.
> 
> > By the way:
> 
> > > I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits 
> for
> > > windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> > > I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the 
> answer.
> 
> > That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc.
> > often do not support "normal" command languages. Instead, there
> > is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the
> > Winmodem case, this is often a simple "soundcard". All the smart
> > things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some
> > Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough
> > to "activate" the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may
> > vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed
> > depend on some Windows driver "activating" the printer at boot.
> 
> What I have is Intel Hogh Definition Audio: works with FreeBSD and 
> NetBSD current versions, but I haven't tried with FreeDOS.
> 
> I've been unable to get my printer, HP LaserJet Professional 1212nf 
> MFP working.
> 
> Now I think it might be nonstandard implementation of PostScript or 
> whatever command language.
> 
> Why would HP have hplip when other printer manufacturers have no 
> such thing?
> 
> But can a laser or inkjet printer with standard interface work in 
> FreeDOS?
> 
> Considering that I can't boot FreeDOS with EMM386 or anything of 
> that kind, I'm very reluctant to try anything too complicated with 
> FreeDOS: leave that to FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux or Haiku.
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Thomas Mueller]

Excerpt from Eric Auer:

> High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported.

> By the way:

> > I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
> > windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> > I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.

> That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc.
> often do not support "normal" command languages. Instead, there
> is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the
> Winmodem case, this is often a simple "soundcard". All the smart
> things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some
> Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough
> to "activate" the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may
> vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed
> depend on some Windows driver "activating" the printer at boot.

What I have is Intel Hogh Definition Audio: works with FreeBSD and NetBSD 
current versions, but I haven't tried with FreeDOS.

I've been unable to get my printer, HP LaserJet Professional 1212nf MFP working.

Now I think it might be nonstandard implementation of PostScript or whatever 
command language.

Why would HP have hplip when other printer manufacturers have no such thing?

But can a laser or inkjet printer with standard interface work in FreeDOS?

Considering that I can't boot FreeDOS with EMM386 or anything of that kind, I'm 
very reluctant to try anything too complicated with FreeDOS: leave that to 
FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux or Haiku.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

They picked a bad name for it. There isn't any doc for it. I tried killer
?
to see if it would return something useful - it didn't.

DS

On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:19:11 -0400 Don Flowers  writes:
> It is not a virus - it is a utility to kill uncooperative TSRs or EXE 
> files
> that would otherwise require a reboot (much like to linux kill 
> command. I
> have used it and it works (sometimes) but I have never known it to 
> affect
> other systems (of course, I don't use windows)!
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > "Looked it up" doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If 
> all
> > you did was search for the filename "killer.exe", then that's not
> > exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not 
> suggesting
> > you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), 
> but
> > it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone.
> > Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove
> > anything.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up 
> with
> > > google
> > > to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to 
> destroy
> > > windows.
> > >
> > > DS
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo  
> writes:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner" 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if 
> your
> > >> copy
> > >> > contains it.
> > >> > It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in 
> the dos
> > >> > directory.
> > >>
> > >> Just in general 
> > >>
> > >> Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both 
> DOS and
> > >> Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics 
> are
> > >> usually to
> > >> blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time 
> protection
> > >> because
> > >> of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an 
> actual
> > >> virus.
> > >> It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.
> > >>
> > >> Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various 
> reasons),
> > >> but 
> > >>
> > >> It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file 
> to
> > >> http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus 
> vendors
> > >> just to
> > >> be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use 
> the
> > >> same bad
> > >> heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file 
> is a
> > >> PE .EXE,
> > >> then it's "probably" not for DOS.
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

Google is goood enough for me. I deleted it and nothing stopped working.
Why don't you  look it up?


DS



On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 10:07:35 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> "Looked it up" doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If 
> all
> you did was search for the filename "killer.exe", then that's not
> exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not 
> suggesting
> you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), 
> but
> it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone.
> Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove
> anything.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up 
> with
> > google
> > to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to 
> destroy
> > windows.
> >
> > DS
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo  
> writes:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner" 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if 
> your
> >> copy
> >> > contains it.
> >> > It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the 
> dos
> >> > directory.
> >>
> >> Just in general 
> >>
> >> Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS 
> and
> >> Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are
> >> usually to
> >> blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection
> >> because
> >> of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an 
> actual
> >> virus.
> >> It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.
> >>
> >> Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various 
> reasons),
> >> but 
> >>
> >> It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to
> >> http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus 
> vendors
> >> just to
> >> be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the
> >> same bad
> >> heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is 
> a
> >> PE .EXE,
> >> then it's "probably" not for DOS.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Don Flowers]

It is not a virus - it is a utility to kill uncooperative TSRs or EXE files
that would otherwise require a reboot (much like to linux kill command. I
have used it and it works (sometimes) but I have never known it to affect
other systems (of course, I don't use windows)!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> "Looked it up" doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If all
> you did was search for the filename "killer.exe", then that's not
> exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not suggesting
> you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), but
> it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone.
> Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove
> anything.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
> >
> > I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with
> > google
> > to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy
> > windows.
> >
> > DS
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner" 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your
> >> copy
> >> > contains it.
> >> > It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos
> >> > directory.
> >>
> >> Just in general 
> >>
> >> Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and
> >> Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are
> >> usually to
> >> blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection
> >> because
> >> of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual
> >> virus.
> >> It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.
> >>
> >> Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons),
> >> but 
> >>
> >> It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to
> >> http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors
> >> just to
> >> be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the
> >> same bad
> >> heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a
> >> PE .EXE,
> >> then it's "probably" not for DOS.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

"Looked it up" doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If all
you did was search for the filename "killer.exe", then that's not
exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not suggesting
you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), but
it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone.
Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove
anything.


On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with
> google
> to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy
> windows.
>
> DS
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your
>> copy
>> > contains it.
>> > It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos
>> > directory.
>>
>> Just in general 
>>
>> Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and
>> Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are
>> usually to
>> blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection
>> because
>> of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual
>> virus.
>> It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.
>>
>> Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons),
>> but 
>>
>> It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to
>> http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors
>> just to
>> be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the
>> same bad
>> heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a
>> PE .EXE,
>> then it's "probably" not for DOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with
google
to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy
windows.

DS

.

On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner"  
> wrote:
> >
> > After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your 
> copy
> > contains it.
> > It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos
> > directory.
> 
> Just in general 
> 
> Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and
> Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are 
> usually to
> blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection 
> because
> of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual 
> virus.
> It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.
> 
> Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), 
> but 
> 
> It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to
> http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors 
> just to
> be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the 
> same bad
> heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a 
> PE .EXE,
> then it's "probably" not for DOS.


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, "Dale E Sterner"  wrote:
>
> After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy
> contains it.
> It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos
> directory.

Just in general 

Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and
Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are usually to
blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection because
of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual virus.
It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like.

Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), but 

It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to
http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors just to
be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the same bad
heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a PE .EXE,
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Bob Schwier]

Norton Utilities had programs that worked with DOS and the DOS underbelly of 
Windows 9X
but not with the later windows including Windows N*.
bs

On Tue, 3/31/15, Rugxulo  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
 To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." 

 Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 6:00 PM
 
 Hi,
 
 Matej, I respect your opinion, but I don't
 see how Dennis is correct
 at all here.
 
 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:44
 AM, Matej Horvat
 
 wrote:
 > On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:38:47
 +0200, Rugxulo 
 wrote:
 >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at
 10:09 PM, dmccunney 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a
 new OS intended as
 >>> a followup
 to an existing product throws out the baby with the
 >>> bathwater and does everything
 differently, so existing apps won't run?
 >>
 >> YES!!! Are
 you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical
 enough
 >> for this. Lots of companies
 throw everything away, on purpose, and
 >> expect everyone else to just deal with
 it. If they can get away with
 >> it,
 they absolutely will do it.
 >
 > While this is generally true, in this case
 Dennis is correct.
 >
 >
 Anyone interested in how Windows 9x uses DOS should read
 this excellent
 > overview by Windows
 developer Raymond Chen (his blog is full of
 > interesting DOS/Windows history):
 >
 > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx
 
 In no way did I pretend that
 "real mode" MS-DOS was directly
 controlling the "pmode" or GUI stuff.
 But this article even says that
 WIN.COM was
 still called, and DOS was still used. It swapped back and
 forth to 16-bit, when needed, using VMs
 (presumably meaning V86 mode
 here).
 That's just normal 386 functionality, by design, and
 EMM386
 itself always runs in V86 mode (but
 we still call it "DOS", right?).
 
 My point was that
 "real" DOS was still present (and crucially
 needed,
 not just for DOS-only programs).
 Granted, Windows did have its own
 DPMI
 server, so that was not itself DOS-based, and you
 couldn't
 directly use other DPMI servers
 (like CWSDPMI). I'm also not saying
 there weren't overrides for special 32-bit
 disk drivers or whatnot.
 
 I
 just think his idea here is naive, saying that anything
 beyond 8086
 real mode isn't DOS.
 That's not really true here. Just magically
 waving the "32-bit" flag doesn't
 mean DOS doesn't exist anymore.
 
 (quoting):  "Now, there are parts of
 MS-DOS that are unrelated to file
 I/O. Those
 functions were still handled by MS-DOS since they were
 just
 'helper library' type functions
 and there was no benefit to
 reimplementing
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

Download it and look at it yourself. I only know what I read. 
90% of dos software has been foregotten by its makers only a
few like Quiclview are still active. Corel ware is still a little active.
I generally try to pay for software if possible. Sometimes the owner
can't be found. They're dead or just don't want to be bothered with
that old stuff.


DS



On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:02:18 -0700 Ralf Quint 
writes:
> On 3/31/2015 6:15 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> > I installed the dos 7.1 on a 4gig cf chip. It come with a gnu 
> licence but
> > belongs to microsoft - strange. It looks alot like freedos ; but I 
> think
> > FREEDOS
> > is better - more to it. It uses cutemouse and a bunch of Linux 
> stuff not
> > native to microsoft. It seems to be a legal hybrid of sorts. I 
> think
> > this dos 7.1 is a legal copy, Maybe from microsoft itself.
> >
> Dream on...
> 
> There isn't even an official MS-DOS 7.1, and most certainly not 
> anything 
> under a "gnu" license. You just have been taken for a ride...
> 
> And in general, as mentioned a lot of times here already, there is 
> no 
> legal base for anything that is labeled "abandoned ware" or the 
> like. If 
> it has a copyright, you are bound to the license terms of that 
> software 
> and for all Microsoft software, that means you are not allowed to 
> copy 
> and distribute it. That's the reason why Jim brought FreeDOS to live 
> in 
> the first place...
> 
> Ralf
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy
contains it.
It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos
directory.

DS



On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
 writes:
> lol!
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this 
> is virus
> > that destroy windows system files.
> >
> > DS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport
> >  writes:
> >> I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to 
> my
> >> Google
> >> Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the
> >> original
> >> author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a
> >> flash drive
> >> for some reason.
> >>
> >> Link:
> >>
> > 
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha
> > ring
> >>
> >> The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a
> >> combination of
> >> a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot 
> like
> >> the old
> >> Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the 
> installation
> >> for my
> >> FreeDOS distro Carbon OS
> >> !
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is the iso file small enough to email?
> >>>
> >>> DS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
> >>>  writes:
>  It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup
> >> disk
>  using
>  Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
>  anyone's
>  interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation 
> script
>  that
>  someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
>  longer live.
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
>   wrote:
> 
> > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
>  Windows?
> > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> >
> >
> > DS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
> >  writes:
> >> Hi all,
> >> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> >> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the
> >> drive I
>  am
> >> very
> >> happy to report it is fantastic.
> >> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive,
> >> allowing
>  me
> >> to
> >> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> >> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not
> >> under
> >> windows in
> >> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a
> >> p3
>  with
> >> a
> >> great deal of memory and the like.
> >> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and
> >> recommend
>  it
> >> for any
> >> dos users to at least explore.
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
> > 
>
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>  Website,
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> >> by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media,
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> >> things parallel software development, from weekly thought
>  leadership
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> >> news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look
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> >> How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage?
> >>
> 
> >> 
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> >>
> >
> >
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> > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> > ***
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Thomas Mueller]

Excerpt from Eric Auer:

> Hi Karen,

> > What discouraged me from using freedos was
> > first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,

> That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more
> the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows.

> > and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and
> > networking.

> A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset:
> If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you
> can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip.

> When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported
> in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS.

Many modern motherboards come with PCIE but no PCI, but I believe one could 
find a DOS-packet-driver-compatible rtl8139 Ethernet.

Otherwise, many motherboards have the capability to boot from the network; also 
there are pxe and gpxe packages, also pxelinux, gpxelinux and lpxelinux in 
Syslinux package.

So conceivably one could play diskless and boot FreeDOS or other OS from the 
network and still access local disks.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Ralf Quint]

On 3/31/2015 6:15 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> I installed the dos 7.1 on a 4gig cf chip. It come with a gnu licence but
> belongs to microsoft - strange. It looks alot like freedos ; but I think
> FREEDOS
> is better - more to it. It uses cutemouse and a bunch of Linux stuff not
> native to microsoft. It seems to be a legal hybrid of sorts. I think
> this dos 7.1 is a legal copy, Maybe from microsoft itself.
>
Dream on...

There isn't even an official MS-DOS 7.1, and most certainly not anything 
under a "gnu" license. You just have been taken for a ride...

And in general, as mentioned a lot of times here already, there is no 
legal base for anything that is labeled "abandoned ware" or the like. If 
it has a copyright, you are bound to the license terms of that software 
and for all Microsoft software, that means you are not allowed to copy 
and distribute it. That's the reason why Jim brought FreeDOS to live in 
the first place...

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:48 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney  
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
>>>   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
>>> a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
>>> bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?
>>
>> YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough
>> for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and
>> expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with
>> it, they absolutely will do it.
>
> I'm not.  It appears you are.
>
> Like everybody else in private industry, MS wants survive and stay in
> business.

Are you kidding me? They literally wasted $9 billion dollars on Skype,
which had absolutely nothing to do with their core business. This
isn't just expanding in normal circles, it's them constantly
overstepping their bounds. And it's their "right" (I guess?), but it
makes absolutely no sense (to me) as far as "business" is concerned.
They also definitely didn't "need" to buy Minecraft either. And a lot
of other things (XBox?) they didn't "need" as well.

(Granted, other companies make crazy purchases too, but it's not
always "normal" or "good".)

It's not all about survival or just making money. They have money.
They have customers. But they just can never sit still. They're never
happy.

It's ridiculous to pretend that everything they (or any other company)
do is only in the name of reasonable business demands.

> To do so, they have to make money.  As a general rule, 80%
> of incremental revenue comes from doing more business with your
> existing customers.  Do what you suggest and they stop *being*
> customers.  Contrary to what you might wish to think, MS *isn't*
> stupid.

It's debatable whether they are stupid or not. I never said they were,
but I certainly don't understand or agree with some of their
decisions. I'm far from anti-MS, but I certainly don't favor them
above anyone else (even if I do, reluctantly, use Windows sometimes).
I'm just not interested in their weird ways of making me do a thousand
different things. They throw away more IP every year than most
companies own in a lifetime.

According to you, if I'm understanding correctly (probably not), they
are trying to keep and attract customers. But let's face it, they
throw away more customers than they gain. If only they could keep
customers. Well, they have the big businesses that are so entrenched
that they have no other choice. And end users couldn't care less as
long as they can play games, watch videos, and email. I just wish
there was some kind of (better) stability. I'm tired of the ol'
"Resistance is futile, upgrade or die" attitude.

> And when you are in an environment of incremental upgrade, which the
> computer business is, "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" can
> be fatal.

Obviously not. All the big movers do it these days. They hate legacy.
Haven't you noticed my cynicism before? "Legacy" is a dirty word. Why
else would they all constantly harp on "modern"? It's not a compliment
to say something is "obsolete" or "deprecated". For some reason, geeks
today can't live without daily declaring everything else "obsolete".

> Consider Netscape.  They knew they needed to update their flagship
> Netscape Communicator" 4.x product.  Instead of doing what they
> *should* have done, and refactoring their code base and developing
> from there, they chose to start from scratch on brand new code.

Sometimes that's unavoidable. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't
do that. It depends. My problem is when they throw everything away
(hardware, software, UI) just to be "new" and "different", even if
there was no need. And of course constantly attack all existing
customers for wanting to stick with what already worked. That kind of
destructive attitude (not from Netscape, just in general) is very
frustrating and annoying. That's not what I call "progress" or
"productivity".

> (The decision was made by a Netscape senior exec who was not a developer,
> and had no idea what he was asking for.  Joel Spolsky, in his "Joel on
> Software" blog waxed eloquent about why it was a very bad idea.)
> Netscape code named the new project Mozilla, made it open source, and
> started hacking.

You also can't give developers free reign, they make bad decisions
too. It's a weird hybrid with the boss paying the bills and the
developer doing all the work. But nobody (apparently) believes anymore
that "the customer is always right". Nowadays, it seems more like,
"Make 'em upgrade or they can do without." (Over and over and over
again. Ad nauseum.)

> Time passed.  More time passed.  Yet more time passed.  We finally got
> a Netscape 6 (skipping over what should have been Netscape 5), which
> was so buggy as to be unusable.  As far as I could tell, they only
> r

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

lol!


On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote:

> The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this is virus
> that destroy windows system files.
>
> DS
>
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport
>  writes:
>> I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my
>> Google
>> Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the
>> original
>> author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a
>> flash drive
>> for some reason.
>>
>> Link:
>>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha
> ring
>>
>> The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a
>> combination of
>> a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like
>> the old
>> Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation
>> for my
>> FreeDOS distro Carbon OS
>> !
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Is the iso file small enough to email?
>>>
>>> DS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
>>>  writes:
 It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup
>> disk
 using
 Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
 anyone's
 interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script
 that
 someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
 longer live.



 On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
  wrote:

> Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
 Windows?
> I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
>
>
> DS
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
>  writes:
>> Hi all,
>> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
>> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the
>> drive I
 am
>> very
>> happy to report it is fantastic.
>> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive,
>> allowing
 me
>> to
>> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
>> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not
>> under
>> windows in
>> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a
>> p3
 with
>> a
>> great deal of memory and the like.
>> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and
>> recommend
 it
>> for any
>> dos users to at least explore.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
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>
>
> **
>> From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry
> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> ***
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
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>>> ***
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this is virus
that destroy windows system files.

DS



On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport
 writes:
> I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my 
> Google
> Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the 
> original
> author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a 
> flash drive
> for some reason.
> 
> Link:
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha
ring
> 
> The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a 
> combination of
> a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like 
> the old
> Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation 
> for my
> FreeDOS distro Carbon OS 
> !
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Is the iso file small enough to email?
> >
> > DS
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
> >  writes:
> > > It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup 
> disk
> > > using
> > > Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
> > > anyone's
> > > interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script
> > > that
> > > someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
> > > longer live.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
> > > Windows?
> > > > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
> > > >  writes:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> > > > > While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the 
> drive I
> > > am
> > > > > very
> > > > > happy to report it is fantastic.
> > > > > The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, 
> allowing
> > > me
> > > > > to
> > > > > partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> > > > > Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not 
> under
> > > > > windows in
> > > > > any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a 
> p3
> > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > great deal of memory and the like.
> > > > > Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and 
> recommend
> > > it
> > > > > for any
> > > > > dos users to at least explore.
> > > > > Karen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
>
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> > > > -
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> > > Website,
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> > > > > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, 
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> > > > > things parallel software development, from weekly thought
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> > > > > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look 
> and
> > > join
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> > > > > Reverse Mortgage
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> > > > >
> > > 
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > > >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry
> > > > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> > > > ***
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > 
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> >

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

Again I respect that others mileage varies.
And your comment about the debian forum generated a laugh.  Amen brother!
In no way do  I wish  to suggest  freedos is not a fine system for some. it 
is just not a fine system for me.
I have almost 27 years of programs files software and the like  invested in 
the ms edition of DOS.
I still wish to sort of test drive freedos utilities.  For example I 
would love to try the most current freedos utility for long file names.
But I am not a code reading kind of girl.  My computers are tools and I 
trust them to function, say like a pencil when I reach for them.
If something goes wrong I know the reason why fairly swiftly  and knowing 
me I would fall in that 2 % of freedos incompatibility.
On the weekend  the machine presently holding Linux debian will be 
converted tomy main dos computer, with this one open for 
experimenting.
I personally, again speaking for myself, do not regard DOS as Legacy the 
way  freedos is presented to the public.
There is almost nothing I require doing with my main computer that cannot 
be  done with what I amusing.
Whenever I have asked here in the past about a task working in freedos I am 
swiftly referred to something else...which speaks volumes for how 
seriously, again to me  at least, those working on the system  take their 
efforts.



Karen


  On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

> Hi Karen -
> Since I am the one who gave a "testimonial" regarding my success with the
> USB drivers, I feel the need to chime in.
>
>> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
>> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
>> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.
>
> While I do not use DOS professionally. I spend more time in DOS than any
> other OS. I do not use Windows beyond 98SE,  but use Linux for my modern
> computing "needs"
>
> I  have spent the last 6 months testing various (over 200) vintage DOS
> applications (mostly in the productivity genre) and have found FreeDOS to
> be about 98% compatible. I had two programs that would not run - The Online
> Bible and a Collins dictionary add-in TSR for my Core WordPerfect Suite.
>
> The OLB had been a long known bug and Messrs. Auer and Rugxulo addressed
> the issue and provided a patch (hopefully it will be permanently
> implemented in the updated kernel). The dictionary TSR is all that remains
> that will not work   and it too seems to be a kernel issue.
>
> I have found that for the relatively few number of people who actually
> contribute to the FreeDOS project that the support is quite impressive.
> (You should try getting help on the Debian forum sometime) My questions
> have been answered in a timely manner, I am taken as seriously as I take
> FreeDOS; my only regret is that as much as I love DOS/FreeDOS that I am not
> able to contribute beyond testing.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
 What discouraged me from using freedos was
 first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,
>>>
>>> That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more
>>> the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows.
>>
>> I think she's referring to the http://www.freedos.org front page,
>> which says this:
>>
>> "
>> What is FreeDOS?
>>
>> FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to
>> play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS
>> is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better!
>> "
>>
>> Clearly there were many of us who enjoyed a lot of DOS games back in
>> the day (mostly '90s), e.g. Doom or Warcraft or King's Quest 6.
>> (Windows-only software became more prominent later on, esp. with
>> Win95. Hexen 2, for instance, which is Quake-based, had to be
>> backported to DOS again.)
>>
>> Eric is right about "DOSBox" being "only for games", by design, but
>> that actually doesn't use FreeDOS (or any real DOS) at all. It's
>> strictly a 486 software-only emulator (GPL!) using SDL. It's even
>> portable to non-x86 machines. And that is used by many companies
>> (Gog.com, id Software, Sierra, and many more) to sell their "classic"
>> game compilations for modern systems.
>>
>> http://www.dosbox.com/
>>
>> FreeDOS is certainly not "only" for games, but it can still run most
>> of them (albeit oftentimes without sound due to modern hardware SB16
>> incompatibility).
>>
 and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and
 networking.
>>>
>>> A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset:
>>> If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you
>>> can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip.
>>>
>>> When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported
>>> in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS.
>>
>> Blame the hardware engineers. Who else would even know how to write a
>> packet driver

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

I installed the dos 7.1 on a 4gig cf chip. It come with a gnu licence but
belongs to microsoft - strange. It looks alot like freedos ; but I think
FREEDOS
is better - more to it. It uses cutemouse and a bunch of Linux stuff not
native to microsoft. It seems to be a legal hybrid of sorts. I think
this dos 7.1 is a legal copy, Maybe from microsoft itself.

DS



On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:10:59 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think the software NAZI's rarely bother with dos, not worth the 
> effort
> > anymore.
> 
> Software "national socialists" don't exist, only lawyers (looking 
> for
> prey). And it's their (paid) job to go after offenders. Admittedly,
> DOS isn't exactly worth a billion dollars, but it's still worth
> something. You yourself are worth something, and they can smell 
> money
> a mile away. (Sorry for negative implications, I'm not anti-lawyer,
> but it's not exactly "fun times" either!)
> 
> > I think if you own copies of the original cd's it gives you some 
> right to
> > make copies of contained software - reasonable use rule I think. I 
> own a lot
> > of copies of 95,98 & me and zillions of copies have been destroyed 
> over the years
> > so there lots of unused licenes out there..
> 
> You probably have licenses for your own use but not others. And they
> will (correctly) claim that it means that you still can't 
> redistribute
> or even download from unauthorized sources, even with a fully valid
> license.
> 
> And since this is a FreeDOS mailing list, a free/libre DOS clone, 
> they
> will claim that you knew there were other (legal) options to find 
> such
> software but disregarded them.
> 
> Please don't push your luck. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying
> copyright is perfect here. But I don't want any of us (or you) to 
> even
> get a stern warning, much less anything worse.
> 
> P.S. Besides, FreeDOS is "better"! Or at least close enough / good
> enough. There's (almost) no reason to use anything else. If there 
> are
> bugs, we need to fix them.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Don Flowers]

Hi Karen -
Since I am the one who gave a "testimonial" regarding my success with the
USB drivers, I feel the need to chime in.

> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.

While I do not use DOS professionally. I spend more time in DOS than any
other OS. I do not use Windows beyond 98SE,  but use Linux for my modern
computing "needs"

I  have spent the last 6 months testing various (over 200) vintage DOS
applications (mostly in the productivity genre) and have found FreeDOS to
be about 98% compatible. I had two programs that would not run - The Online
Bible and a Collins dictionary add-in TSR for my Core WordPerfect Suite.

The OLB had been a long known bug and Messrs. Auer and Rugxulo addressed
the issue and provided a patch (hopefully it will be permanently
implemented in the updated kernel). The dictionary TSR is all that remains
that will not work   and it too seems to be a kernel issue.

I have found that for the relatively few number of people who actually
contribute to the FreeDOS project that the support is quite impressive.
(You should try getting help on the Debian forum sometime) My questions
have been answered in a timely manner, I am taken as seriously as I take
FreeDOS; my only regret is that as much as I love DOS/FreeDOS that I am not
able to contribute beyond testing.



On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Karen,
> >
> >> What discouraged me from using freedos was
> >> first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,
> >
> > That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more
> > the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows.
>
> I think she's referring to the http://www.freedos.org front page,
> which says this:
>
> "
> What is FreeDOS?
>
> FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to
> play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS
> is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better!
> "
>
> Clearly there were many of us who enjoyed a lot of DOS games back in
> the day (mostly '90s), e.g. Doom or Warcraft or King's Quest 6.
> (Windows-only software became more prominent later on, esp. with
> Win95. Hexen 2, for instance, which is Quake-based, had to be
> backported to DOS again.)
>
> Eric is right about "DOSBox" being "only for games", by design, but
> that actually doesn't use FreeDOS (or any real DOS) at all. It's
> strictly a 486 software-only emulator (GPL!) using SDL. It's even
> portable to non-x86 machines. And that is used by many companies
> (Gog.com, id Software, Sierra, and many more) to sell their "classic"
> game compilations for modern systems.
>
> http://www.dosbox.com/
>
> FreeDOS is certainly not "only" for games, but it can still run most
> of them (albeit oftentimes without sound due to modern hardware SB16
> incompatibility).
>
> >> and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and
> >> networking.
> >
> > A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset:
> > If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you
> > can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip.
> >
> > When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported
> > in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS.
>
> Blame the hardware engineers. Who else would even know how to write a
> packet driver?? Certainly not me.
>
> FreeDOS is stable, free with sources, and compatible, with many
> available tools and docs. It's not impossibly hard to find out how to
> program for it. But obviously some things are easier than others.
>
> >> Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many
> >> years, have  found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a
> fine
> >> dos usb browser that works.
> >
> > I have been wondering if ssh2dos still is useful - I guess
> > it only supports older protocols and algorithms. I remember
> > Jack complaining that even the browsers of older Windows (!)
> > versions do not support TLS: So as SSL 3 is being phased out
> > for being old and insecure, he can no longer use HTTPS web.
>
> No offense to Jack, but he wouldn't even update his web browser, even
> when several better options exist (for his ancient NT 4.0). I'm not
> totally sure if that would actually fix his problem, but he refused to
> even try (that or anything else). I think he really was naive enough
> to think that SourceForge would "fix their bug". Ugh. So that's the
> end of him.
>
> > I can imagine that ssh2dos and web browsers for DOS have the
> > problem in even more severe ways.
>
> Maybe. But we just don't have enough developers to do much of anything
> anymore. We're lucky anything still works.
>
> >> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
> >> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
>

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
> Hi Karen,
>
>> What discouraged me from using freedos was
>> first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,
>
> That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more
> the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows.

I think she's referring to the http://www.freedos.org front page,
which says this:

"
What is FreeDOS?

FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to
play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS
is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better!
"

Clearly there were many of us who enjoyed a lot of DOS games back in
the day (mostly '90s), e.g. Doom or Warcraft or King's Quest 6.
(Windows-only software became more prominent later on, esp. with
Win95. Hexen 2, for instance, which is Quake-based, had to be
backported to DOS again.)

Eric is right about "DOSBox" being "only for games", by design, but
that actually doesn't use FreeDOS (or any real DOS) at all. It's
strictly a 486 software-only emulator (GPL!) using SDL. It's even
portable to non-x86 machines. And that is used by many companies
(Gog.com, id Software, Sierra, and many more) to sell their "classic"
game compilations for modern systems.

http://www.dosbox.com/

FreeDOS is certainly not "only" for games, but it can still run most
of them (albeit oftentimes without sound due to modern hardware SB16
incompatibility).

>> and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and
>> networking.
>
> A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset:
> If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you
> can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip.
>
> When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported
> in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS.

Blame the hardware engineers. Who else would even know how to write a
packet driver?? Certainly not me.

FreeDOS is stable, free with sources, and compatible, with many
available tools and docs. It's not impossibly hard to find out how to
program for it. But obviously some things are easier than others.

>> Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many
>> years, have  found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine
>> dos usb browser that works.
>
> I have been wondering if ssh2dos still is useful - I guess
> it only supports older protocols and algorithms. I remember
> Jack complaining that even the browsers of older Windows (!)
> versions do not support TLS: So as SSL 3 is being phased out
> for being old and insecure, he can no longer use HTTPS web.

No offense to Jack, but he wouldn't even update his web browser, even
when several better options exist (for his ancient NT 4.0). I'm not
totally sure if that would actually fix his problem, but he refused to
even try (that or anything else). I think he really was naive enough
to think that SourceForge would "fix their bug". Ugh. So that's the
end of him.

> I can imagine that ssh2dos and web browsers for DOS have the
> problem in even more severe ways.

Maybe. But we just don't have enough developers to do much of anything
anymore. We're lucky anything still works.

>> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
>> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
>> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.
>
> For you yes: The problem is that people often ask questions
> like "why is there no LibreOffice and Firefox for DOS". You
> know that there are none.

Thanks to various geniuses (esp. Georg), we do have Flwriter and
Dillo. Hey, it's far better than nothing, and I don't see anyone
trying to do any better!

https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/FlWriter

(Eric, you are still a genius too, of course! Not that you need my
faint praise.)

> They do not, they think there can
> be a professional DOS which basically is like Win or Linux,
> just "better" in some unknown, magical DOS way.

If you don't need compatibility (with DOS or anything else), you can
do anything, but you'll have to do it all from scratch. Obviously part
of the "problem" with DOS is also the "advantage":  extreme
compatibility and stable APIs.

> For people who really need DOS, freedos is a very nice DOS.

That's a huge understatement, but people don't even appreciate what's
already here. They just have no imagination. I know I've harped on
this saying a billion times, but it's true:  "A poor carpenter blames
his tools."

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> I think the software NAZI's rarely bother with dos, not worth the effort
> anymore.

Software "national socialists" don't exist, only lawyers (looking for
prey). And it's their (paid) job to go after offenders. Admittedly,
DOS isn't exactly worth a billion dollars, but it's still worth
something. You yourself are worth something, and they can smell money
a mile away. (Sorry for negative implications, I'm not anti-lawyer,
but it's not exactly "fun times" either!)

> I think if you own copies of the original cd's it gives you some right to
> make copies of contained software - reasonable use rule I think. I own a lot
> of copies of 95,98 & me and zillions of copies have been destroyed over the 
> years
> so there lots of unused licenes out there..

You probably have licenses for your own use but not others. And they
will (correctly) claim that it means that you still can't redistribute
or even download from unauthorized sources, even with a fully valid
license.

And since this is a FreeDOS mailing list, a free/libre DOS clone, they
will claim that you knew there were other (legal) options to find such
software but disregarded them.

Please don't push your luck. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying
copyright is perfect here. But I don't want any of us (or you) to even
get a stern warning, much less anything worse.

P.S. Besides, FreeDOS is "better"! Or at least close enough / good
enough. There's (almost) no reason to use anything else. If there are
bugs, we need to fix them.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

Matej, I respect your opinion, but I don't see how Dennis is correct
at all here.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Matej Horvat
 wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:38:47 +0200, Rugxulo  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney 
>> wrote:
>>>   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
>>> a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
>>> bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?
>>
>> YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough
>> for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and
>> expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with
>> it, they absolutely will do it.
>
> While this is generally true, in this case Dennis is correct.
>
> Anyone interested in how Windows 9x uses DOS should read this excellent
> overview by Windows developer Raymond Chen (his blog is full of
> interesting DOS/Windows history):
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx

In no way did I pretend that "real mode" MS-DOS was directly
controlling the "pmode" or GUI stuff. But this article even says that
WIN.COM was still called, and DOS was still used. It swapped back and
forth to 16-bit, when needed, using VMs (presumably meaning V86 mode
here). That's just normal 386 functionality, by design, and EMM386
itself always runs in V86 mode (but we still call it "DOS", right?).

My point was that "real" DOS was still present (and crucially needed,
not just for DOS-only programs). Granted, Windows did have its own
DPMI server, so that was not itself DOS-based, and you couldn't
directly use other DPMI servers (like CWSDPMI). I'm also not saying
there weren't overrides for special 32-bit disk drivers or whatnot.

I just think his idea here is naive, saying that anything beyond 8086
real mode isn't DOS. That's not really true here. Just magically
waving the "32-bit" flag doesn't mean DOS doesn't exist anymore.

(quoting):  "Now, there are parts of MS-DOS that are unrelated to file
I/O. Those functions were still handled by MS-DOS since they were just
'helper library' type functions and there was no benefit to
reimplementing them in 32-bit code "

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:

>>   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
>> a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
>> bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?
>
> YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough
> for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and
> expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with
> it, they absolutely will do it.

I'm not.  It appears you are.

Like everybody else in private industry, MS wants survive and stay in
business.  To do so, they have to make money.  As a general rule, 80%
of incremental revenue comes from doing more business with your
existing customers.  Do what you suggest and they stop *being*
customers.  Contrary to what you might wish to think, MS *isn't*
stupid.

And when you are in an environment of incremental upgrade, which the
computer business is, "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" can
be fatal.

Consider Netscape.  They knew they needed to update their flagship
Netscape Communicator" 4.x product.  Instead of doing what they
*should* have done, and refactoring their code base and developing
from there, they chose to start from scratch on brand new code.  (The
decision was made by a Netscape senior exec who was not a developer,
and had no idea what he was asking for.  Joel Spolsky, in his "Joel on
Software" blog waxed eloquent about why it was a very bad idea.)
Netscape code named the new project Mozilla, made it open source, and
started hacking.

Time passed.  More time passed.  Yet more time passed.  We finally got
a Netscape 6 (skipping over what should have been Netscape 5), which
was so buggy as to be unusable.  As far as I could tell, they only
released it to get *something* out the door to demonstrate development
was actually occurring.  Even more time passed, and we finally got a
Netscape 7 that *was* usable.  But meanwhile, AOL bought Netscape,
folded the Mozilla project, and transferred the code, development
servers, and several million in seed funding to the non-profit Mozilla
foundation who became responsible for continued development.
Meanwhile, IE continued to build market share at Netscape's expense.
Had Netscape done what they should have done, a new version of
Netscape would have been out at least a year sooner.

In the computer business these days, change happens at blinding speed,
and time to market is critical.  If you are an OS developer, you do
not, repeat DO NOT start over from scratch.  You revise and extend
existing code.  If you try to start over from scratch, you will be
*out* of business long before your brand new product is finished.

>> It includes it.  Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining
>> backwards compatibility.  It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS
>> apps as well as apps written for Windows.  Batch files were
>> interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available.
>
> In Win9x, COMMAND.COM (a DOS MZ executable) was the sole shell. So
> there was no other choice.

There was if you installed a third-party product like 4DOS.  Win2K/NT
used NTVDM to provide a DOS environment for 16 bit DOS apps, but
included COMMAND.COM to run them, with 32 bit CMD.EXE as the default
shell.  (And if you ran a DOS app in that environment and shelled out
of it, you were in 32 bit land talking to CMD.EXE at the resulting
command line, not COMMAND.COM.)

Every OS comes bundled with a default shell.  The question is whether
other shells are available.  There were back in the CP/M days (ZCPR3),
and continue to be.

> In fact, most of the 16-bit Windows stuff (since Win 3.0) was
> DPMI-based. The 'D' stands for "DOS", so it can't live without it.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Protected_Mode_Interface.  It
provided a way for 16 bit real-mode applications to run in Protected
Mode on a processor that offered it, assuming sufficient RAM was
available, by providing a tunnel from protected mode to real mode for
real mode applications.

>> COM and EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the
>> system calls those programs used.  There would be no need to call the
>> underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98.
>
> Wrong. If there was a bug in the underlying DOS, then that exact same
> bug was also found under Windows. These were not two separate
> implementations.

See my commentary above.

If I'm writing a follow on to an existing OS, and I need backwards
compatibility so my OS will run stuff written for the previous
version, what *I'll* do is include the necessary code from the
previous OS in the new OS kernel.  I *won't* rewrite from scratch.  If
there are unfixed bugs in the previous OS code, they will be included
along with the features.

The fact that DOS bugs still exist in Win98 doesn't mean the DOS
im

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Eric Auer]

Hi Karen,

> What discouraged me from using freedos was
> first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,

That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more
the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows.

> and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and 
> networking.

A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset:
If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you
can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip.

When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported
in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS.

> Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many 
> years, have  found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine 
> dos usb browser that works.

I have been wondering if ssh2dos still is useful - I guess
it only supports older protocols and algorithms. I remember
Jack complaining that even the browsers of older Windows (!)
versions do not support TLS: So as SSL 3 is being phased out
for being old and insecure, he can no longer use HTTPS web.

I can imagine that ssh2dos and web browsers for DOS have the
problem in even more severe ways.

> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself 
> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.

For you yes: The problem is that people often ask questions
like "why is there no LibreOffice and Firefox for DOS". You
know that there are none. They do not, they think there can
be a professional DOS which basically is like Win or Linux,
just "better" in some unknown, magical DOS way.

For people who really need DOS, freedos is a very nice DOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

I think the software NAZI's rarely bother with dos, not worth the effort
anymore.
I think if you own copies of the original cd's it gives you some right to
make
copies of contained software - reasonable use rule I think. I own a lot
of copies
of 95,98 & me and zillions of copies have been destroyed over the years
so there lots
of unused licenes out there..


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On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 18:07:24 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Guys, you absolutely can't be this stubborn or naive. I'm not trying 
> to be
> a hardass here, but you have to avoid mistakes like this, or it'll 
> cost ya.
> 
> U.S. copyright law does not give us the "right" to "copy" things at 
> will,
> esp. not commercial, proprietary software from one of the biggest 
> companies
> in the world. (For pete's sake, they have 128,000+ employees, and 
> probably
> more than enough lawyers with nothing better to do than harass 
> people like
> us.)
> 
> I know it's a drag, but just because software is "old" (even 
> decades) or
> even no longer sold does not mean that it's "abandonware" or that 
> you can
> do whatever you want with it, even for non-commercial private 
> personal use.
> "Feel free to keep/share" doesn't apply at all, at least not in the 
> U.S.
> And "original author" almost certainly didn't mean "Microsoft 
> Corporation",
> so nobody else can give permission. (I'm not aware of many, if any,
> exceptions to this, certainly not for end users.)
> 
> Please, don't share such links, esp. not on a FreeDOS mailing list. 
> For
> pete's sake, FreeDOS is twenty years old, explicitly to "replace" 
> MS-DOS
> (from scratch!) because Microsoft was giving up on it (as standalone
> product). FreeDOS should be plenty good enough for "most" uses, and 
> it is
> free/libre in all senses of the word (or as close as possible, for 
> now).
> 
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
> 
> "
> A program is free software if the program's users have the four 
> essential
> freedoms:
> * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose 
> (freedom 0).
> * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it 
> does your
> computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a
> precondition for this.
> * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor 
> (freedom
> 2).
> * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to 
> others
> (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance 
> to
> benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a 
> precondition for
> this.
> "
> 
> There's nothing inherently illegal about buying or using old 
> software. But
> you normally cannot override the original copyright holder without
> permission.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Corbin Davenport 
> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to 
> my
> Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the
> original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved 
> on a
> flash drive for some reason.
> >
> > [Fixed] Link: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
> >
> > The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a 
> combination
> of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot 
> like the
> old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the 
> installation for
> my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner 
> 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is the iso file small enough to email?
> >>
> >> DS
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
> >>  writes:
> >> > It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup 
> disk
> >> > using
> >> > Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
> >> > anyone's
> >> > interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation 
> script
> >> > that
> >> > someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
> >> > longer live.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
> >> > Windows?
> >> > > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > DS


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Matej Horvat]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:38:47 +0200, Rugxulo  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney 
> wrote:
>>   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
>> a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
>> bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?
>
> YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough
> for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and
> expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with
> it, they absolutely will do it.

While this is generally true, in this case Dennis is correct.

Anyone interested in how Windows 9x uses DOS should read this excellent  
overview by Windows developer Raymond Chen (his blog is full of  
interesting DOS/Windows history):

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx

And for Windows 3.x:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/05/17/10013609.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2013/02/08/10392028.aspx

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver

[Thomas Mueller]

On USB with DOS, I can read and write a USB stick with FAT32 file system, but 
it is treated as a fixed disk.  USB stick must be in the port to be recognized, 
and if I remove and replace a USB stick, the new one won't be recognized.  This 
is through the BIOS/UEFI rather than an add-on DOS driver.

On older computer that couldn't boot from USB on its own, it booted with PLoP, 
but if it was a DOS (I only tried FreeDOS, never any other DOS on USB), it was 
read-only after boot.  That is a limitation of PLoP's DOS USB support.

I did try other DOS USB drivers, but no success, am not inclined to venture 
further.

If I needed a DOS for professional purposes, I'd go with FreeDOS, have long 
given up on MS-DOS (6.22) and DR-DOS (7.03).

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>>
>> If DOS is "out of the loop", then why are you still able to run DOS
>> files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really
>> just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h
>> kernel calls?
>
>   This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
> a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
> bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?

YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough
for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and
expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with
it, they absolutely will do it.

> It includes it.  Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining
> backwards compatibility.  It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS
> apps as well as apps written for Windows.  Batch files were
> interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available.

In Win9x, COMMAND.COM (a DOS MZ executable) was the sole shell. So
there was no other choice.

In fact, most of the 16-bit Windows stuff (since Win 3.0) was
DPMI-based. The 'D' stands for "DOS", so it can't live without it.

> COM and EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the
> system calls those programs used.  There would be no need to call the
> underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98.

Wrong. If there was a bug in the underlying DOS, then that exact same
bug was also found under Windows. These were not two separate
implementations.

> I repeat, DOS was a real mode loader, whose function was to load
> Windows.  Once it had, Windows took over.

Not at all. At least not in Win9x. A lot of programs (EDIT, DEBUG,
EDLIN) were still DOS programs.

>> For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's
>> emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself
>> without DOS is a bit of a stretch.
>
> No, it isn't.  Win98 needed DOS to load it.  That's it.  And that
> requirement is a consequence of X86 segmented architecture with real
> mode and protected mode.  The machine started in real mode, and needed
> a real mode loader to load the protected mode OS.

Not at all. DOS is far more than just a boot loader. If that's all it
did, it wouldn't need separate hardware drivers or FAT / ISO9660 file
system code at all. (Often there were Windows-only drivers, but DOS
was still available.)

> NT finally removed that requirement and could be booted without DOS,
> but the issues of maintaining backwards compatibility made getting
> there a one step at a time process.

At one time, MS was fiercely loyal about compatibility. (Allegedly,
that's why IBM fired them from OS/2.) But that was the old days. Those
days are long gone. They really don't care as much anymore. For
example, they want Win32 to die in lieu of "Metro" (or "Modern UI" or
whatever they're calling it now).

>> Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued
>> (and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I
>
> I don't recall that, and rather doubt there was anything illegal about
> it.  MS owned MSDOS and Windows, and could use them and bundle them as
> they desired.

Apparently not. They lost a lot of money. They claimed that it was
technically impossible to use any other DOS, but it was later shown
that was totally wrong. They just didn't want anyone else to compete
with them.

>> think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even
>> legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and
>> MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons.
>> It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people
>> realize.
>
> You could indeed boot Windows atop DR-DOS, but why bother?

No. It was long known (and bragged about, "faster!") that DR-DOS could
boot Windows 3.1. That's not the issue. Microsoft intentionally
bundled their MS-DOS so that nobody else (e.g. PC-DOS or DR-DOS) could
run Win95. They purposely said it was impossible, but it was very
easily proven otherwise. This is similar to (but worse) than the old
AARD warnings.

> You would only be likely to do so if you already ran DR-DOS and wanted to run
> Windows too. And remember, DR-DOS began because DR had customers
> wanted a ROMmable version of DOS for embedded applications.  MSDOS at
> the time was not architected to provide the required separation
> between code and data, and could not be embedded in ROM.  Offering
> DR-DOS as a consumer product was a later development.

I could be wrong, but I thought DR-DOS was meant to capitalize on the
MS-DOS craze. Since PC-DOS cloned CP/M, the makers of CP/M-86 decided
to clone DOS. (If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.) Of course, Novell
later bought DR-DOS and made a lot of improvements. (But it was
Caldera/Lineo who gave up on it.)

> Most folks who got W

Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

Or I can do what I am doing right now.
works for me, and I respect others mileage varies.
Karen


On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, dmccunney wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Karen Lewellen
>  wrote:
>> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
>> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
>> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.
>
> FreeDOS takes itself seriously, but is constrained by scarce
> development resources.  There aren't many people contributing code,
> and those that are do so in their spare time as a hobby, and do other
> things to make a living.
>
> Programmers making a living coding get *paid* for what they do.  The
> money is elsewhere these days.  Want the kind of attention you desire
> for FreeDOS to meet your professional needs?  Offer to pay developers
> who can provide it a living wage for doing so.  Otherwise, settle for
> what you can get.
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

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On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Karen Lewellen
 wrote:
> i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
> and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself
> seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.

FreeDOS takes itself seriously, but is constrained by scarce
development resources.  There aren't many people contributing code,
and those that are do so in their spare time as a hobby, and do other
things to make a living.

Programmers making a living coding get *paid* for what they do.  The
money is elsewhere these days.  Want the kind of attention you desire
for FreeDOS to meet your professional needs?  Offer to pay developers
who can provide it a living wage for doing so.  Otherwise, settle for
what you can get.
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[dmccunney]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
>>
>> Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode
>> loader.  Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and
>> Win98 *is* the OS.
>
> If DOS is "out of the loop", then why are you still able to run DOS
> files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really
> just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h
> kernel calls?

  This is OS development 101.  Do you think a new OS intended as
a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the
bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run?

It includes it.  Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining
backwards compatibility.  It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS
apps as well as apps written for Windows.  Batch files were
interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available.  COM and
EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the
system calls those programs used.  There would be no need to call the
underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98.

I repeat, DOS was a real mode loader, whose function was to load
Windows.  Once it had, Windows took over.

> For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's
> emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself
> without DOS is a bit of a stretch.

No, it isn't.  Win98 needed DOS to load it.  That's it.  And that
requirement is a consequence of X86 segmented architecture with real
mode and protected mode.  The machine started in real mode, and needed
a real mode loader to load the protected mode OS.

NT finally removed that requirement and could be booted without DOS,
but the issues of maintaining backwards compatibility made getting
there a one step at a time process.

> Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued
> (and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I

I don't recall that, and rather doubt there was anything illegal about
it.  MS owned MSDOS and Windows, and could use them and bundle them as
they desired.

> think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even
> legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and
> MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons.
> It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people
> realize.

You could indeed boot Windows atop DR-DOS, but why bother?  You would
only be likely to do so if you already ran DR-DOS and wanted to run
Windows too. And remember, DR-DOS began because DR had customers
wanted a ROMmable version of DOS for embedded applications.  MSDOS at
the time was not architected to provide the required separation
between code and data, and could not be embedded in ROM.  Offering
DR-DOS as a consumer product was a later development.

Most folks who got Windows got it as the next step beyond DOS, and
wanted to simply install it and run it.  They did not want to first
install a flavor of DOS and then install Windows on top of it.

And then, as now,  people generally bought Windows PCs with the OS
already installed by the vendor.

I remember the early days when the PC was first out, and MSDOS/PCDOS,
Digital Research CP/M 86, and the UCSD P-system were all fighting for
a chunk of the PD market.  MS won.  The others lost.  Deal with it.

> I'm not sure why they bothered. Obviously NT had much higher
> requirements back then (mid '90s), e.g. 16 MB minimum (and 80 MB disk
> space?) while Win95 could (very slowly) run atop a 4 MB 386. They
> wouldn't even fix NTVDM bugs for Quake (from id Software, compiled for
> DOS via DJGPP) because "NT wasn't for games"! But that's all lost to
> the sands of time now that XP fully replaced Win9x for "home" users.
> (2000 first added Win9x-era LFNs and FAT32, but even that wasn't yet
> targeted at home users, hence we were only offered Windows ME.)

MS was focused on business users (and still is - Win10 is very much
geared to the Enterprise market ).  NT was aimed at the business
desktop.  Part of the problem from an OS perspective was that games
for platforms like DOS assumed they were the only program running and
owned the hardware, and would write directly to the hardware to get
performance.  That's a no-no in a multitasking OS.  It took a while
before MS realized that gaming was market and money could be made in
it, and did things like implement Direct-X to provide OS modulated
access to the hardware that games needed.
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
Actually good question.
I have never run windows on any of my machines.
What discouraged me from using freedos was
first the "for legacy games use only," suggestion on the site,
and second, the lack of  attention to native things like  USB and 
networking.
Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many 
years, have  found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine 
dos usb browser that works.
i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing.
and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself 
seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs.
I have my computers built to run dos, this one I am using now is a p3, 
with my next also a p3 with an 800ghz processor.
I have nothing about which to worry, I am running the best dos for me.
Karen


On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Rugxulo wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have no idea if you can still buy "full" MS-DOS from MSDN
> subscriptions. But there is a small "system floppy" still available in
> Windows Explorer. (Other options, esp. downloading from questionable
> web sites, are NOT recommended.)
>
> EDIT: (quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Developer_Network
> ): "An MSDN subscription also allows access to obsolete software from
> Microsoft's past. Although they aren't included in the regular CD/DVD
> shipments, subscribers can download old software such as MS-DOS 5.0
> and Windows 3.1 from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. Such software usually
> comes in the form of ISO or floppy disk image files that allow the
> subscriber to reproduce the original installation media after the
> download."
>
> Just for completeness, here's the contents (from Win7's DISKCOPY.DLL)
> of the minimal "system floppy":
>
> ===
> Extract NT - Extract file in wImage - V 2.10 (c) 1991-96 Gilles Vollant
> Visit web page : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/extract.htm
>
> image file : MSDOS-FLOPPY-IMG\msdos.img  no label
> COMMAND.COM 93040  04.18.105  05:54p
> DISPLAY.SYS 17175  04.18.105  05:54p
> EGA.CPI 58870  04.18.105  05:54p
> EGA2.CPI58870  04.18.105  05:54p
> EGA3.CPI58753  04.18.105  05:54p
> IO.SYS 116736  04.18.105  05:54p
> KEYB.COM21607  04.18.105  03:04a
> KEYBOARD.SYS34566  04.18.105  05:54p
> KEYBRD2.SYS 31942  04.18.105  05:54p
> KEYBRD3.SYS 31633  04.18.105  05:54p
> KEYBRD4.SYS 13014  04.18.105  05:54p
> MODE.COM29239  04.18.105  05:54p
> MSDOS.SYS   9  04.18.105  05:54p
> 565454 bytes in 13 files, 889344 bytes free
> ===
>
> So this is not hard to find (if you already have Windows), although
> admittedly you can't really "install" it elsewhere (e.g. hard disk)
> because it lacks FDISK, FORMAT, and SYS. But presumably you could use
> the FreeDOS variants of those tools to help you.
>
> RUFUS does (optionally, in addition to including FreeDOS) support
> installing exactly this to your USB jump drive, if desired.
>
> P.S. At risk of stating the extremely obvious: why would anybody on a
> freedos-user mailing list still need (or care) about running MS-DOS at
> all?? I know there are some minor bugs and lacks, but they are very
> few and far in between. Seriously, if there are still major bugs in
> FreeDOS, we need to identify and fix them, not hide them under the rug
> by always running back to (very old, hard to find) MS-DOS. The U.S.
> legal system just is not on our side here, so MS-DOS is far from
> ideal. At least FreeDOS is free/libre, that was the whole point! So
> just use that, and don't worry.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Karen Lewellen
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos.  I don't suppose the same
>>   technique que is possible to create  the 8.0 edition as a stand alone?
>> Just wondering.
>> Karen
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
>
> Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode
> loader.  Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and
> Win98 *is* the OS.

If DOS is "out of the loop", then why are you still able to run DOS
files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really
just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h
kernel calls?

For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's
emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself
without DOS is a bit of a stretch.

Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued
(and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I
think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even
legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and
MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons.
It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people
realize.

I'm not sure why they bothered. Obviously NT had much higher
requirements back then (mid '90s), e.g. 16 MB minimum (and 80 MB disk
space?) while Win95 could (very slowly) run atop a 4 MB 386. They
wouldn't even fix NTVDM bugs for Quake (from id Software, compiled for
DOS via DJGPP) because "NT wasn't for games"! But that's all lost to
the sands of time now that XP fully replaced Win9x for "home" users.
(2000 first added Win9x-era LFNs and FAT32, but even that wasn't yet
targeted at home users, hence we were only offered Windows ME.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

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On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Bret Johnson  wrote:
>> Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run MS-DOS 7.1 is using
>> a hacked version of Windows 9x. (<- that's a period)
>
> Actually, no.  Just like previous versions of Windows, 9x is simply a DOS
> application, not an Operating System.  Windows 3.x called itself an
> Operating Environment (not an Operating System), which is fairly accurate.

Win 3.X was a multi-tasking protected mode GUI shell on top of DOS.
Win95 began the process of moving to 32 bit code. Win98 took it
further.  Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode
loader.  Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and
Win98 *is* the OS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

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> Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run MS-DOS 7.1 is using a 
> hacked> version of Windows 9x. (<- that's a period) Actually, no.  Just like 
> previous versions of Windows, 9x is simply a DOS application, not an 
> Operating System.  Windows 3.x called itself an Operating Environment (not an 
> Operating System), which is fairly accurate. You don't need to "hack" Windows 
> 9x to get rid of the Windows part and keep the DOS part.  All you need to do 
> is edit the MSDOS.SYS file to keep the DOS application called Windows from 
> trying to load automatically.  MSDOS.SYS is a plain ASCII text file, similar 
> in many respects to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT.  From the DOS command line 
> you can simply enter "win" to run the Windows application if you want to, 
> just like you could with all of the previous versions of Windows.  I 
> personally don't consider any of that to be "hacking", merely configuring, 
> though I suppose some others might disagree. For your Windows 9x / MS-DOS 7.x 
> to be "legal", it should have been purchased or donated (either directly or 
> indirectly) from MS.  That could include any of the millions of  copies that 
> were legally purchased at one time, and donated/sold (or abandoned and left 
> in the "trash heap"?) to someone else when they weren't needed by the 
> original purchasers any more.  MS wouldn't even accept money from you if you 
> tried to buy a new legal copy from them nowadays, of course, because they 
> don't actually have anything to sell and there would be at least an implied 
> obligation on their part to provide some support for it (along with a host of 
> other reasons).  But, that's an entirely separate and complicated conundrum 
> with legal, ethical, and logical aspects.


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John R. Sowden
 wrote:
>
> Regarding use of the usb driver, I have been using it for a couple of
> years, mainly to transport data from my office dos network to a linux
> computer.

Have you tried mTCP's FTPSRV?

> The OS is MS-DOS 7.1 (from windows98 so I can read fat32) and 4dos 7.0.

Most OSes support FAT32 these days (including FreeDOS, natch). Only
really old ones (MS-DOS 6.22, DR-DOS 7.03) don't. Not sure about
PC-DOS, allegedly the newer updates in IBM's Server Scripting Toolkit
support it, but I wasn't clear on what their licensing was, so I never
bothered finding out. Similarly, EDR-DOS, I never bothered to try
(sorry, Udo).

> You only issue is the usb device that is plugged in when you
> boot up is what is available.  (cannot swap a different device unless
> they improved that).  I have only used usb sticks so far.

At least my Lenovo desktop and Dell laptop both support it in the same
way, even booting from it, thanks to BIOS support. So I can easily
create a bootable USB (via RUFUS), and it'll work transparently.

IIRC, this Lenovo machine doesn't support UHCI (for Bret's drivers),
only EHCI, so I'm out of luck on that.

Not sure about my (recently half-resurrected) Dell P4 (circa 2002).
Dunno what kind of USB it has. But I know that it won't boot USB
without help, e.g. PLoP Boot Manager. After so many years, the CD-ROM
and hard disk both gave out, so currently my brother boots it to (old)
PuppyLinux via USB via PLoP floppy.

I actually today noticed that the P4 has RealTek 8139, so I was
vaguely curious if packet driver would work. It does. However, there's
a small caveat in that (for whatever obscure reason, PLoP limitation?)
my RUFUS-created (and modified by me) USB is "write-protected" once
booted. But since I wasn't doing anything major (and most work was
done on RAM disk), it didn't majorly matter. I just modified it while
mounted under a different computer. So it works there too, with small
limitations.

But no, there's no great way to swap USB drives (except if Bret's
stuff supports your machine). Nevertheless, it's better than nothing.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Guys, you absolutely can't be this stubborn or naive. I'm not trying to be
a hardass here, but you have to avoid mistakes like this, or it'll cost ya.

U.S. copyright law does not give us the "right" to "copy" things at will,
esp. not commercial, proprietary software from one of the biggest companies
in the world. (For pete's sake, they have 128,000+ employees, and probably
more than enough lawyers with nothing better to do than harass people like
us.)

I know it's a drag, but just because software is "old" (even decades) or
even no longer sold does not mean that it's "abandonware" or that you can
do whatever you want with it, even for non-commercial private personal use.
"Feel free to keep/share" doesn't apply at all, at least not in the U.S.
And "original author" almost certainly didn't mean "Microsoft Corporation",
so nobody else can give permission. (I'm not aware of many, if any,
exceptions to this, certainly not for end users.)

Please, don't share such links, esp. not on a FreeDOS mailing list. For
pete's sake, FreeDOS is twenty years old, explicitly to "replace" MS-DOS
(from scratch!) because Microsoft was giving up on it (as standalone
product). FreeDOS should be plenty good enough for "most" uses, and it is
free/libre in all senses of the word (or as close as possible, for now).

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

"
A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential
freedoms:
* The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your
computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a
precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom
2).
* The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others
(freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to
benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for
this.
"

There's nothing inherently illegal about buying or using old software. But
you normally cannot override the original copyright holder without
permission.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Corbin Davenport 
wrote:
>
> I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my
Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the
original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a
flash drive for some reason.
>
> [Fixed] Link: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>
> The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination
of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the
old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for
my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS!
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner 
wrote:
>>
>> Is the iso file small enough to email?
>>
>> DS
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
>>  writes:
>> > It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk
>> > using
>> > Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
>> > anyone's
>> > interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script
>> > that
>> > someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
>> > longer live.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
>> > Windows?
>> > > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

I have no idea if you can still buy "full" MS-DOS from MSDN
subscriptions. But there is a small "system floppy" still available in
Windows Explorer. (Other options, esp. downloading from questionable
web sites, are NOT recommended.)

EDIT: (quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Developer_Network
): "An MSDN subscription also allows access to obsolete software from
Microsoft's past. Although they aren't included in the regular CD/DVD
shipments, subscribers can download old software such as MS-DOS 5.0
and Windows 3.1 from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. Such software usually
comes in the form of ISO or floppy disk image files that allow the
subscriber to reproduce the original installation media after the
download."

Just for completeness, here's the contents (from Win7's DISKCOPY.DLL)
of the minimal "system floppy":

===
Extract NT - Extract file in wImage - V 2.10 (c) 1991-96 Gilles Vollant
Visit web page : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/extract.htm

image file : MSDOS-FLOPPY-IMG\msdos.img  no label
COMMAND.COM 93040  04.18.105  05:54p
DISPLAY.SYS 17175  04.18.105  05:54p
EGA.CPI 58870  04.18.105  05:54p
EGA2.CPI58870  04.18.105  05:54p
EGA3.CPI58753  04.18.105  05:54p
IO.SYS 116736  04.18.105  05:54p
KEYB.COM21607  04.18.105  03:04a
KEYBOARD.SYS34566  04.18.105  05:54p
KEYBRD2.SYS 31942  04.18.105  05:54p
KEYBRD3.SYS 31633  04.18.105  05:54p
KEYBRD4.SYS 13014  04.18.105  05:54p
MODE.COM29239  04.18.105  05:54p
MSDOS.SYS   9  04.18.105  05:54p
565454 bytes in 13 files, 889344 bytes free
===

So this is not hard to find (if you already have Windows), although
admittedly you can't really "install" it elsewhere (e.g. hard disk)
because it lacks FDISK, FORMAT, and SYS. But presumably you could use
the FreeDOS variants of those tools to help you.

RUFUS does (optionally, in addition to including FreeDOS) support
installing exactly this to your USB jump drive, if desired.

P.S. At risk of stating the extremely obvious: why would anybody on a
freedos-user mailing list still need (or care) about running MS-DOS at
all?? I know there are some minor bugs and lacks, but they are very
few and far in between. Seriously, if there are still major bugs in
FreeDOS, we need to identify and fix them, not hide them under the rug
by always running back to (very old, hard to find) MS-DOS. The U.S.
legal system just is not on our side here, so MS-DOS is far from
ideal. At least FreeDOS is free/libre, that was the whole point! So
just use that, and don't worry.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Karen Lewellen
 wrote:
> Hi,
> did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos.  I don't suppose the same
>   technique que is possible to create  the 8.0 edition as a stand alone?
> Just wondering.
> Karen

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[John R. Sowden]

Regarding use of the usb driver, I have been using it for a couple of 
years, mainly to transport data from my office dos network to a linux 
computer.  The OS is MS-DOS 7.1 (from windows98 so I can read fat32) and 
4dos 7.0.  You only issue is the usb device that is plugged in when you 
boot up is what is available.  (cannot swap a different device unless 
they improved that).  I have only used usb sticks so far.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos.  I don't suppose the same
  technique que is possible to create  the 8.0 edition as a stand alone?
Just wondering.
Karen


On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Corbin Davenport wrote:

> It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using
> Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's
> interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that
> someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
>> Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows?
>> I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
>>
>>
>> DS
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
>>  writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
>>> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am
>>> very
>>> happy to report it is fantastic.
>>> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me
>>> to
>>> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
>>> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under
>>> windows in
>>> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with
>>> a
>>> great deal of memory and the like.
>>> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it
>>> for any
>>> dos users to at least explore.
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

I have the package, but not the link.  If you google it I am sure it will 
appear.
pc dos 7.1 goes back a bit does it not?
granted the 7.1 package is about a decade or so old now, but the utilities 
are  slightly more current.
Karen


On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote:

> Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows?
> I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
>
>
> DS
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
>  writes:
>> Hi all,
>> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
>> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am
>> very
>> happy to report it is fantastic.
>> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me
>> to
>> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
>> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under
>> windows in
>> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with
>> a
>> great deal of memory and the like.
>> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it
>> for any
>> dos users to at least explore.
>> Karen
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Ralf Quint]

On 3/30/2015 12:23 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:

Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows?
I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.

Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run *MS*-DOS 7.1 is 
using a hacked version of Windows 9x. (<- that's a period)


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

Thanks

DS

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport
 writes:
> I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my 
> Google
> Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the 
> original
> author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a 
> flash drive
> for some reason.
> 
> Link:
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha
ring
> 
> The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a 
> combination of
> a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like 
> the old
> Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation 
> for my
> FreeDOS distro Carbon OS 
> !
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Is the iso file small enough to email?
> >
> > DS
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
> >  writes:
> > > It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup 
> disk
> > > using
> > > Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
> > > anyone's
> > > interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script
> > > that
> > > someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
> > > longer live.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
> > > Windows?
> > > > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
> > > >  writes:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> > > > > While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the 
> drive I
> > > am
> > > > > very
> > > > > happy to report it is fantastic.
> > > > > The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, 
> allowing
> > > me
> > > > > to
> > > > > partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> > > > > Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not 
> under
> > > > > windows in
> > > > > any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a 
> p3
> > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > great deal of memory and the like.
> > > > > Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and 
> recommend
> > > it
> > > > > for any
> > > > > dos users to at least explore.
> > > > > Karen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Corbin Davenport]

I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google
Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original
author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive
for some reason.

Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sharing

The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of
a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old
Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my
FreeDOS distro Carbon OS !



On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:

> Is the iso file small enough to email?
>
> DS
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
>  writes:
> > It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk
> > using
> > Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If
> > anyone's
> > interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script
> > that
> > someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no
> > longer live.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without
> > Windows?
> > > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> > >
> > >
> > > DS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
> > >  writes:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> > > > While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I
> > am
> > > > very
> > > > happy to report it is fantastic.
> > > > The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing
> > me
> > > > to
> > > > partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> > > > Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under
> > > > windows in
> > > > any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3
> > with
> > > > a
> > > > great deal of memory and the like.
> > > > Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend
> > it
> > > > for any
> > > > dos users to at least explore.
> > > > Karen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> -
> > > -
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **
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> > > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> > > ***
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> ***
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

Is the iso file small enough to email?

DS


On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport
 writes:
> It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk 
> using
> Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If 
> anyone's
> interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script 
> that
> someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no 
> longer live.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without 
> Windows?
> > I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
> >
> >
> > DS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
> >  writes:
> > > Hi all,
> > > I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> > > While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I 
> am
> > > very
> > > happy to report it is fantastic.
> > > The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing 
> me
> > > to
> > > partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> > > Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under
> > > windows in
> > > any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 
> with
> > > a
> > > great deal of memory and the like.
> > > Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend 
> it
> > > for any
> > > dos users to at least explore.
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
>
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> > -
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> join
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> > > How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage?
> > > 
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc
> > >
> >
> >
> > **
> > >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry
> > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> > ***
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Corbin Davenport]

It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using
Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's
interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that
someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live.



On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:

> Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows?
> I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.
>
>
> DS
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
>  writes:
> > Hi all,
> > I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> > While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am
> > very
> > happy to report it is fantastic.
> > The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me
> > to
> > partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> > Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under
> > windows in
> > any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with
> > a
> > great deal of memory and the like.
> > Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it
> > for any
> > dos users to at least explore.
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
> **
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> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> ***
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Dale E Sterner]

Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows?
I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version.


DS



On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
 writes:
> Hi all,
> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am 
> very 
> happy to report it is fantastic.
> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me 
> to 
> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under 
> windows in 
> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with 
> a 
> great deal of memory and the like.
> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it 
> for any 
> dos users to at least explore.
> Karen
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

I posted it previously, do you want it again?
Or I can just send the file to you privately?
Karen


On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Christopher Evans wrote:

> Do you have the link ?
>
>
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> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
>> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very
>> happy to report it is fantastic.
>> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to
>> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
>> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in
>> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with a
>> great deal of memory and the like.
>> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any
>> dos users to at least explore.
>> Karen
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Christopher Evans]

Do you have the link ?



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On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
> While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very
> happy to report it is fantastic.
> The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to
> partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
> Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in
> any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with a
> great deal of memory and the like.
> Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any
> dos users to at least explore.
> Karen
>
>
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[Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back.
While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very 
happy to report it is fantastic.
The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to 
partition and format the drive for my backup uses.
Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in 
any way.  I am not using freedos.  Likewise my machine is a p3 with a 
great deal of memory and the like.
Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any 
dos users to at least explore.
Karen


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Chris,
I am not sure as the page does not reference this.  Still, I tend to doubt 
they would.  Panasonic  wrote them.  I do wonder how they would feel about 
providing the code if they knew some had a desire for it though.
Kare


On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Christopher Evans wrote:

> Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for
> NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel.
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> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
>> This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
>> someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
>> sharing.
>>
>>
>> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html
>>
>> If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
>> V-day wishes,
>> Kare
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Karen Lewellen]

Very cool!
Should work well for me too then.
My goal is to use them with an external USB drive.
Thanks for the confirmation,
Karen


On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

> I use these drivers, working on 2 "modern" machines w/o floppy drives
> downloading files, and 4 vintage laptops with usb 1.1 , transferring files
> back and forth, They perform flawlessly and save a lot of cdrom burning.
> Works on both FAT16 and FAT32 but not on Compaq DOS 3.31 (need 4.0 or
> higher).
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
>
>> oh lol!
>> I forgot about that...not an issue for me, but that might be a problem for
>> others.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ralf Quint wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
 This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
 someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
 sharing.


 http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html

 If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?

>>> Well, to quote the site:
>>> "Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and
>>> understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist
>>> letters. Explore at your own risk.
>>> "
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Don Flowers]

What happened with the USBDRIVE set that was on the first FreeDOS 1.1 CD?
These worked fairly well for me, but I did experience more hanging that
with the ASPI driver.
Personally, I hate using  ASPI drivers, but for one drive at a time, these
are perfect.

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:17 PM, dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Christopher Evans
>  wrote:
>
> > Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for
> > NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel.
>
> Nope.  Panasonic proprietary.
>
> Driver binaries may be found at the site Karen referenced:
> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/download/dos-usb.zip
>
> See the page Karen referenced for usage information.
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[dmccunney]

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Christopher Evans
 wrote:

> Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for
> NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel.

Nope.  Panasonic proprietary.

Driver binaries may be found at the site Karen referenced:
http://www.pcxt-micro.com/download/dos-usb.zip

See the page Karen referenced for usage information.

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

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On 2/14/2015 5:01 PM, Christopher Evans wrote:
> Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver 
> for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel.
>
Did you see my previous reply? Apparently not...

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

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Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for
NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel.

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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
> This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
> someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
> sharing.
>
>
> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html
>
> If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
> V-day wishes,
> Kare
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Don Flowers]

I use these drivers, working on 2 "modern" machines w/o floppy drives
downloading files, and 4 vintage laptops with usb 1.1 , transferring files
back and forth, They perform flawlessly and save a lot of cdrom burning.
Works on both FAT16 and FAT32 but not on Compaq DOS 3.31 (need 4.0 or
higher).


On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> oh lol!
> I forgot about that...not an issue for me, but that might be a problem for
> others.
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ralf Quint wrote:
>
> > On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >> Hi Folks,
> >> Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
> >> This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
> >> someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
> >> sharing.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html
> >>
> >> If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
> >>
> > Well, to quote the site:
> > "Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and
> > understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist
> > letters. Explore at your own risk.
> > "
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Karen Lewellen]

oh lol!
I forgot about that...not an issue for me, but that might be a problem for 
others.


On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ralf Quint wrote:

> On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
>> This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
>> someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
>> sharing.
>>
>>
>> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html
>>
>> If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
>>
> Well, to quote the site:
> "Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and
> understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist
> letters. Explore at your own risk.
> "
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Ralf Quint]

On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below.
> This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead,
> someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am
> sharing.
>
>
> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html
>
> If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
>
Well, to quote the site:
"Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and 
understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist 
letters. Explore at your own risk.
"

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[Freedos-user] dos USB driver.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Folks,
Since USB  function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. 
This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett.  Instead, 
someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am 
sharing.


http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html

If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences?
V-day wishes,
Kare





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