Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
it only uses code that the compiler used to produce it creates. DJGPP just happens to use protected mode because it allows the executable itself to reach astronomical sizes :-). On 8/30/06, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:45:28 -0700, you wrote: Hi Blair, Hi. About the 80386 code thing. It is not necessary to switch to protected mode to use large amounts of memory. This is possible with plain 8086 code. And XDEL has options close to what you wish with DEL. If 8086 code can works. What I mean is ... only use 80386 when necessary, just like your LAME port, it should support the latest CPU candies such as 3DNOW Professional and SSE3 because CPU did affect the speed. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
Hi Johnson, My own point of view, FreeDOS programs should better than MS-DOS old one I completely agree, I think it's already 100x better! (like KEYB), not just a clone, now we have a lot of memory and CPU power, allow to use a better UI, easier operation and a better speed. Yes, but where do you draw the line, and how do you deal with backward hardware capability and how far back in history do you go? What about forward compatibility such as eight core 64 bit processor? If you need/want a modern fast open-source o/s with a UI how does FreeDOS fit into this concept sitting next to Linux? Who will write all the drivers for the latest NICs, USB, Kerberos, signed SMB, NFS, NTFS, TCP/IP with IP v6, not to mention cameras, scanners, printers - how will they all work? What standards will this new UI adhere to? -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
Hello Johnson, Thanks for your wishes! In this case it wouldn't make too much sense to clone 100%, first because MS-KEYBOARD.SYS is complex and contains code, and even if it was just data for KEYB, I would have to update it with every new country: this way each user can make their own keyboard. Thanks, Aitor 2006/8/30, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:33:55 +0200, you wrote: Hi Aitor, As I wish to embrace other FreeDOS projects, there will be a small evolution through small evolutives in the 2.X projects (leaving maybe some for the 3.X series). I just mention some of the planned changes: - A first new release with lots of many more documents - Improvements in library file manipulation (UPX support to save space) - dynamic translations (as opposed to nowadays static ones) - supplementary loadable mappings (e.g. multimedia, apm, ...) - multiple layouts in memory - accessibility options - optional usage of XMS Best wishes to the success of KEYB, you did great job making it better. My own point of view, FreeDOS programs should better than MS-DOS old one (like KEYB), not just a clone, now we have a lot of memory and CPU power, allow to use a better UI, easier operation and a better speed. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:05:44 +0100, you wrote: Hi Gerry, I completely agree, I think it's already 100x better! We're now in 21 century :-) Yes, but where do you draw the line, and how do you deal with backward hardware capability and how far back in history do you go? What about Just my own standard ... I think programmers need some guideline to work, otherwise everyone code different standard programs with different compiler and got different problems, consuming lots of human resources. 1) Basically should be 80386 based, because of the Protect mode, necessary for programs to access large amount of memory, but if the program don't need lots of memory, no need speed optimizations, 8086 should be supported if possible forward compatibility such as eight core 64 bit processor? If you 2) If the program is not TSR, and it's operation need large amount of memory or CPU power (e.g. codec, need a lot of calculating), it should have a routine to detect CPU ability and full utilize it. However program like FDISK or FORMAT doesn't need those advance detection. need/want a modern fast open-source o/s with a UI how does FreeDOS fit into this concept sitting next to Linux? Who will write all the drivers 3) The UI I refer to is a better layout TEXT, the Russian PTS-DOS shows a good UI, also TurboVision like UI is good for beginners. But for history reason, the original DOS UI need to preserve, solution is simple, just a switch or .CFG file to let user choose what they like for the latest NICs, USB, Kerberos, signed SMB, NFS, NTFS, TCP/IP with IP v6, not to mention cameras, scanners, printers - how will they all work? What standards will this new UI adhere to? These new things not exist before can have a TurboVision like UI, or try to direct inherit from Linux (if not too complex). I use RM more than deltree, and a number of DOS people sure have some UNIX port command line utils because they're really better than DOS, I don't think we need to wipe out the current DOS one, just improve it is enough! For example, DEL can be improved by adding /r for recurse sub-directories, XCOPY can be improved to handle date and time or file size filtering (refer to XXCOPY)... etc. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
Hi. About the 80386 code thing. It is not necessary to switch to protected mode to use large amounts of memory. This is possible with plain 8086 code. And XDEL has options close to what you wish with DEL. On 8/30/06, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:05:44 +0100, you wrote: Hi Gerry, I completely agree, I think it's already 100x better! We're now in 21 century :-) Yes, but where do you draw the line, and how do you deal with backward hardware capability and how far back in history do you go? What about Just my own standard ... I think programmers need some guideline to work, otherwise everyone code different standard programs with different compiler and got different problems, consuming lots of human resources. 1) Basically should be 80386 based, because of the Protect mode, necessary for programs to access large amount of memory, but if the program don't need lots of memory, no need speed optimizations, 8086 should be supported if possible forward compatibility such as eight core 64 bit processor? If you 2) If the program is not TSR, and it's operation need large amount of memory or CPU power (e.g. codec, need a lot of calculating), it should have a routine to detect CPU ability and full utilize it. However program like FDISK or FORMAT doesn't need those advance detection. need/want a modern fast open-source o/s with a UI how does FreeDOS fit into this concept sitting next to Linux? Who will write all the drivers 3) The UI I refer to is a better layout TEXT, the Russian PTS-DOS shows a good UI, also TurboVision like UI is good for beginners. But for history reason, the original DOS UI need to preserve, solution is simple, just a switch or .CFG file to let user choose what they like for the latest NICs, USB, Kerberos, signed SMB, NFS, NTFS, TCP/IP with IP v6, not to mention cameras, scanners, printers - how will they all work? What standards will this new UI adhere to? These new things not exist before can have a TurboVision like UI, or try to direct inherit from Linux (if not too complex). I use RM more than deltree, and a number of DOS people sure have some UNIX port command line utils because they're really better than DOS, I don't think we need to wipe out the current DOS one, just improve it is enough! For example, DEL can be improved by adding /r for recurse sub-directories, XCOPY can be improved to handle date and time or file size filtering (refer to XXCOPY)... etc. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:45:28 -0700, you wrote: Hi Blair, Hi. About the 80386 code thing. It is not necessary to switch to protected mode to use large amounts of memory. This is possible with plain 8086 code. And XDEL has options close to what you wish with DEL. If 8086 code can works. What I mean is ... only use 80386 when necessary, just like your LAME port, it should support the latest CPU candies such as 3DNOW Professional and SSE3 because CPU did affect the speed. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:33:55 +0200, you wrote: Hi Aitor, As I wish to embrace other FreeDOS projects, there will be a small evolution through small evolutives in the 2.X projects (leaving maybe some for the 3.X series). I just mention some of the planned changes: - A first new release with lots of many more documents - Improvements in library file manipulation (UPX support to save space) - dynamic translations (as opposed to nowadays static ones) - supplementary loadable mappings (e.g. multimedia, apm, ...) - multiple layouts in memory - accessibility options - optional usage of XMS Best wishes to the success of KEYB, you did great job making it better. My own point of view, FreeDOS programs should better than MS-DOS old one (like KEYB), not just a clone, now we have a lot of memory and CPU power, allow to use a better UI, easier operation and a better speed. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
