Re: [Freedos-user] display command
That means serial would have to be clocked 8 times faster at least to match paraiiel. Thanks. DS On Sun, 04 May 2014 08:41:59 -0700 Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com writes: Synchronizing the sending of bits over parallel interfaces is much more difficult than it is to send a single serial bit stream. As a result, you can send that single serial stream of bits faster than you can do it in parallel across multiple wires. SCSI went through this transition when drives moved from parallel SCSI to FibreChannel and SAS (Serial Attached SCSI). SATA has followed a similar evolution. Even the PCI bus has moved to a serial implementation. You can enjoy your older hardware; I certainly do. But the rest of the world has moved on to these serial variants for a reason. (Keep in mind that none of this takes into account that the hard drive performance is generally limited by the device itself, not the interface.) Mike - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53678f5040660f506d5bmp10duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. I think serial is just a lot cheaper to make. DS On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:47:46 +0200 Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz writes: Dale E Sterner wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same clock which do you think is faster? Here is fundamental factor - SATA hasn't same clock speed as IDE. Its speed is higher so that much surpasses ide interface. Some quickly found reference: http://www.howtogeek.com/171947/why-is-serial-data-transmission-faster-th an-parallel-data-transmission/ - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53678f50ad755f506d5bmp10duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8 times faster to match IDE. A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper. I. On Sun, 4 May 2014 15:06:36 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same clock which do you think is faster? Ah, yes. Parallel must be faster than serial. I know it seems intuitive, but it isn't true. Go Look Stuff Up. Your ignorance of recent development is showing. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA __ Dennis - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53678f5168dc0f506d5bmp10duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8 times faster to match IDE. Cost is the big factor, period. PCs are commodities, with commodity pricing. Given the same specs, it largely doesn't *matter* whose name is on the box. The purchase decision comes down to price, and lowest cost producer wins because they can offer cheaper prices. A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper. And this is a *bad* thing? Perhaps you would prefer PCs still used MFM drives with separate controller cards? I still have my old XT clone with two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* hard drives connected to a WD controller card. Nowadays, you can't find a 20 *GB* hard drive. They are all much larger and getting bigger still. You can get terabyte SATA drives for about $65. __ Dennis -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On 2014-05-05 09:32 (GMT-0400) Dale E Sterner composed: So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. Crosstalk and impedance, but there are other reasons why SATA is better too. For a better answer you could have looked it up instead of asking here. e.g. http://hexus.net/tech/tech-explained/storage/1339-pata-vs-sata/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one being recycled. A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a win 8 machine. cheers DS On Mon, 5 May 2014 09:54:10 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8 times faster to match IDE. Cost is the big factor, period. PCs are commodities, with commodity pricing. Given the same specs, it largely doesn't *matter* whose name is on the box. The purchase decision comes down to price, and lowest cost producer wins because they can offer cheaper prices. A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper. And this is a *bad* thing? Perhaps you would prefer PCs still used MFM drives with separate controller cards? I still have my old XT clone with two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* hard drives connected to a WD controller card. Nowadays, you can't find a 20 *GB* hard drive. They are all much larger and getting bigger still. You can get terabyte SATA drives for about $65. __ Dennis - - Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/5367999a99e74199a3d44mp04duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one being recycled. Depends on what you consider better. Most folks think faster, more powerful, and cheaper is better. A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a win 8 machine. Look Stuff Up. It's not that simple, and you *can* dual boot Win8 and Linux. It's just more of a pain to set up. What you are dealing with is UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which is intended as a *replacement* for the traditional BIOS. This is not just Microsoft. It's a computer *industry* initiative. See http://www.uefi.org/ for the website devoted to the effort, and look at the Membership tab to see a list of companies involved. cheers DS __ Dennis -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Depends on what you like to do with it. Most computer today are entertainment center. I have a DVD player for that. cheers DS On Mon, 5 May 2014 10:35:24 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one being recycled. Depends on what you consider better. Most folks think faster, more powerful, and cheaper is better. A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a win 8 machine. Look Stuff Up. It's not that simple, and you *can* dual boot Win8 and Linux. It's just more of a pain to set up. What you are dealing with is UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which is intended as a *replacement* for the traditional BIOS. This is not just Microsoft. It's a computer *industry* initiative. See http://www.uefi.org/ for the website devoted to the effort, and look at the Membership tab to see a list of companies involved. cheers DS __ Dennis - - Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/5367a377ed0de23776c8emp04duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Is your legacy SCM system holding you back? Join Perforce May 7 to find out: #149; 3 signs your SCM is hindering your productivity #149; Requirements for releasing software faster #149; Expert tips and advice for migrating your SCM now http://p.sf.net/sfu/perforce___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same clock which do you think is faster? cheers DS On Sat, 3 May 2014 12:40:44 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD is alot cheaper to make than CF. SD is one bit at a time while CF is 8 bits at a time. If they both use the same clock which do you think is faster. SD. As mentioned, CF is largely dead these days. Do some research on current usage and standards, and things like SATA vs IDE. Your knowledge is *way* out of date. DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53665a5a7f5a590943mp06duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Synchronizing the sending of bits over parallel interfaces is much more difficult than it is to send a single serial bit stream. As a result, you can send that single serial stream of bits faster than you can do it in parallel across multiple wires. SCSI went through this transition when drives moved from parallel SCSI to FibreChannel and SAS (Serial Attached SCSI). SATA has followed a similar evolution. Even the PCI bus has moved to a serial implementation. You can enjoy your older hardware; I certainly do. But the rest of the world has moved on to these serial variants for a reason. (Keep in mind that none of this takes into account that the hard drive performance is generally limited by the device itself, not the interface.) Mike -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Dale E Sterner wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same clock which do you think is faster? Here is fundamental factor - SATA hasn't same clock speed as IDE. Its speed is higher so that much surpasses ide interface. Some quickly found reference: http://www.howtogeek.com/171947/why-is-serial-data-transmission-faster-than-parallel-data-transmission/ -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same clock which do you think is faster? Ah, yes. Parallel must be faster than serial. I know it seems intuitive, but it isn't true. Go Look Stuff Up. Your ignorance of recent development is showing. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA __ Dennis -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
SD is alot cheaper to make than CF. SD is one bit at a time while CF is 8 bits at a time. If they both use the same clock which do you think is faster. cheers DS On Fri, 2 May 2014 20:49:36 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD flash is a serial device similiar to rs232 but compact flash has the same interface as an ide hard drive.Pin for pin they are the same. SD chips are very slow but cf are fast. If you look at comparative benchmarks, I think you'll discover that SD is faster overall than CF. And in any case, the CF format seems largely deprecated these days. Pretty much everything now is SD. (And on bigger systems, note that IDE is going away, replaced by SATA, which is also a serial interface, SATA drives are *faster* than IDE.) I used idecheck to clock a travelstar hard drive it was 7 mbs while a Sandisk extreme iv clocked at 14 mbs. Then you add that there are zero head seeks and you get a nice speed boost. syscheck.exe reported a through put at over 2 gigs per sec. Use what pleases you. My point was that the drive *media* was all NAND flash, regardless of what form factor the drive used. The particular flash media and the controller will have more to do with the speed than whether it's CF, SD, or SSD. Now why doesn't display work for vga. The topic arose here before, with someone else having a similar problem. Eric Auer's response was Not sure if this helps, but DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1) should be sufficient for all your needs. For the font support,EGA is pretty much the same as VGA and display only is for loading custom fonts. If you do not plan to load a non-BIOS font, you do not even need display at all. The documentation of an older version says that VGA did set a certain number of font sizes, while EGA autodetected which font sizes exist (usually 8x8, 14 and 16 pixels). Looking at the source, EGA meant autodetect, EGA 8 did mean one font, LCD the same, EGA 14 two fonts, VGA did mean three fonts and only CGA meant different hardware. Note that newer VGA BIOS may miss 8x14 built-in fonts, but you can load a custom DOS font instead. There also are tools doing ONLY that, using less RAM than DISPLAY. Bottom line, just use DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1), and you should be good to go. DS. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/5365070a62eaa7095fcfmp10duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
The thing that troubles me is that when you are in FREEDOS and type help display; the example given for its use is VGA. When you put it in verbatium, it doesn't work. Strange to give a help example that doesn't work. cheers DS . On Sat, 3 May 2014 00:19:20 GMT Bret Johnson bretj...@juno.com writes: Quoting from the MS-DOS 6.22 Help program (HELP DISPLAY.SYS at a command prompt): The EGA value supports both EGA and VGA display adapters. If you omit the type parameter, DISPLAY.SYS checks the hardware to determine which display adapter is in use. You can also specify CGA and MONO as values for type, but they have no effect because character set switching is not enabled for these devices. It does help to read the documentation, at least when it is provided (documentation for modern programs is confusing/useless in many cases). - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53650709dcee77095fcfmp10duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD is alot cheaper to make than CF. SD is one bit at a time while CF is 8 bits at a time. If they both use the same clock which do you think is faster. SD. As mentioned, CF is largely dead these days. Do some research on current usage and standards, and things like SATA vs IDE. Your knowledge is *way* out of date. DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
What is an SSD device, I'm talking about compact flash chip used mostly in cameras but can replace an ide hard drive. You can pull a dos loaded chip from a computer and move it to another computer without too many problems Windows will work on one computer but will refuse to work on another machine even if its very similiar. I can start working on something at home;then I can pull the chip and run it at another far away location. If there is something sensitive on it then I can pull it and put it in a safe place. So what do you know about the DISPLAY command - why doesn't VGA work?. DS On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:06:58 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Oh if anyone wants their FREEDOS to run faster and they have an ide harddrive then copy your FREEDOS to a compactflash chip and replace your ide drive with an cf adapter and run your dos from the cf chip instead of the hard drive. If you have 500 mhz cpu you can see through put speeds of over 2 gigs and it never needs to be defraged. You can remove the chip and plug it into any computer with a cf adapter.Something that you cann't do with windows. ,,,^^ ^ Not entirely true. A fairly common performance boost these days for things like notebooks and netbooks is replacing the hard drive with a nand flash based solid state drive. Windows boots an order of magnitude faster, apps load faster, performance is generally much better, and like your suggestion, there's no need to defrag. n (Defragging is meaningless on a flash device in any case.) You *can* remove the SSD from the machine and plug it into another, but you'll have to reauthenticate Windows if you do. But if you do go to an SSD drive instead of an IDE HD, you aren't all that likely to move there SSD to another machine. You did it in the first place to make the current machine faster and better performing so you didn't need another machine. DS __ Dennis - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Hot New Stock Pick How to Invest in the $70 Billion Bottled Water Boom http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/5363dbb643f615bb639e4mp01duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What is an SSD device, I'm talking about compact flash chip used mostly in cameras but can replace an ide hard drive. SSD is Solid State Drive. The common point here is that Compact Flash, Secure Digital, and Solid State Drives all use NAND flash memory as the actual storage media. The particular form in which it's implemented is the form factor, but the media is the same and has the same strengths/weaknesses.. IDE drives come in different form factors too, depending on whether they are intended for a desktop, laptop, or noreboot/netbook, but it's still a hard drive. You can pull a dos loaded chip from a computer and move it to another computer without too many problems Windows will work on one computer but will refuse to work on another machine even if its very similiar. Like I said, it will need to be re-authenticated. It's *not* a portable OS. Windows keeps comprehensive information on just what it's installed on in the registry, and will notice if that changes. MS is willing to let you move a copy of Windows from one machine to another, but *isn't* willing to have the *same* copy of Windows running on more than one machine. The license under which you got it is for one machine, not many. I can start working on something at home;then I can pull the chip and run it at another far away location. If there is something sensitive on it then I can pull it and put it in a safe place. I do that all the time, but what's on the chip/card is *data.* I have no need for the OS to go along with it. (And most of what I work on would be useless under DOS, because the programs that create/manipulate the data don't exist for DOS.) So what do you know about the DISPLAY command - why doesn't VGA work?. I have no idea. The problem hasn't bitten me. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
SD flash is a serial device similiar to rs232 but compact flash has the same interface as an ide hard drive.Pin for pin they are the same. SD chips are very slow but cf are fast. I used idecheck to clock a travelstar hard drive it was 7 mbs while a Sandisk extreme iv clocked at 14 mbs. Then you add that there are zero head seeks and you get a nice speed boost. syscheck.exe reported a through put at over 2 gigs per sec. Now why doesn't display work for vga. DS. On Fri, 2 May 2014 15:28:17 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What is an SSD device, I'm talking about compact flash chip used mostly in cameras but can replace an ide hard drive. SSD is Solid State Drive. The common point here is that Compact Flash, Secure Digital, and Solid State Drives all use NAND flash memory as the actual storage media. The particular form in which it's implemented is the form factor, but the media is the same and has the same strengths/weaknesses.. IDE drives come in different form factors too, depending on whether they are intended for a desktop, laptop, or noreboot/netbook, but it's still a hard drive. You can pull a dos loaded chip from a computer and move it to another computer without too many problems Windows will work on one computer but will refuse to work on another machine even if its very similiar. Like I said, it will need to be re-authenticated. It's *not* a portable OS. Windows keeps comprehensive information on just what it's installed on in the registry, and will notice if that changes. MS is willing to let you move a copy of Windows from one machine to another, but *isn't* willing to have the *same* copy of Windows running on more than one machine. The license under which you got it is for one machine, not many. I can start working on something at home;then I can pull the chip and run it at another far away location. If there is something sensitive on it then I can pull it and put it in a safe place. I do that all the time, but what's on the chip/card is *data.* I have no need for the OS to go along with it. (And most of what I work on would be useless under DOS, because the programs that create/manipulate the data don't exist for DOS.) So what do you know about the DISPLAY command - why doesn't VGA work?. I have no idea. The problem hasn't bitten me. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Stop Insomnia in 2 Weeks Use the Fisher Wallace Stimulator® for 20 minutes before bedtime http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/53642ce03b74d2cdf2f68mp07duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Quoting from the MS-DOS 6.22 Help program (HELP DISPLAY.SYS at a command prompt): The EGA value supports both EGA and VGA display adapters. If you omit the type parameter, DISPLAY.SYS checks the hardware to determine which display adapter is in use. You can also specify CGA and MONO as values for type, but they have no effect because character set switching is not enabled for these devices. It does help to read the documentation, at least when it is provided (documentation for modern programs is confusing/useless in many cases). -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Hi, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Now why doesn't display work for vga. I don't know. :-)As a hopeless end user, I admit to not having used such things lately. Aitor Santamaria Merino is official maintainer for (FD) DISPLAY but presumably still too busy to respond much to inquiries. http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=display I still have it optional in my AUTOEXEC, but I usually just ignore it (via menu). For the record, what I'm using is this: display con=(ega,,3) Anyways, there was actually a similar thread here two weeks ago, so you may wish to read up on the mail archives so I don't have to repeat it (mostly comments by local guru Eric Auer): [Freedos-user] display-0.13b not know VGA ? http://www.mail-archive.com/freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg14946.html Or, as Mike Brutman suggested, read the (FD, HTML-) Help: http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/display.htm -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
Hi, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Or, as Bret Johnson suggested, read the (FD, HTML-) Help: http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/display.htm Oops, corrected the name here. (Bah, you're all the same!) :-P -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] display command
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD flash is a serial device similiar to rs232 but compact flash has the same interface as an ide hard drive.Pin for pin they are the same. SD chips are very slow but cf are fast. If you look at comparative benchmarks, I think you'll discover that SD is faster overall than CF. And in any case, the CF format seems largely deprecated these days. Pretty much everything now is SD. (And on bigger systems, note that IDE is going away, replaced by SATA, which is also a serial interface, SATA drives are *faster* than IDE.) I used idecheck to clock a travelstar hard drive it was 7 mbs while a Sandisk extreme iv clocked at 14 mbs. Then you add that there are zero head seeks and you get a nice speed boost. syscheck.exe reported a through put at over 2 gigs per sec. Use what pleases you. My point was that the drive *media* was all NAND flash, regardless of what form factor the drive used. The particular flash media and the controller will have more to do with the speed than whether it's CF, SD, or SSD. Now why doesn't display work for vga. The topic arose here before, with someone else having a similar problem. Eric Auer's response was Not sure if this helps, but DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1) should be sufficient for all your needs. For the font support,EGA is pretty much the same as VGA and display only is for loading custom fonts. If you do not plan to load a non-BIOS font, you do not even need display at all. The documentation of an older version says that VGA did set a certain number of font sizes, while EGA autodetected which font sizes exist (usually 8x8, 14 and 16 pixels). Looking at the source, EGA meant autodetect, EGA 8 did mean one font, LCD the same, EGA 14 two fonts, VGA did mean three fonts and only CGA meant different hardware. Note that newer VGA BIOS may miss 8x14 built-in fonts, but you can load a custom DOS font instead. There also are tools doing ONLY that, using less RAM than DISPLAY. Bottom line, just use DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1), and you should be good to go. DS. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
