You are talking about the list as if it is a single
entity (let us see how 'the list' responds), although
it is composed of several independent individuals:
Russ, Stephen, Glen, Douglas, to name a few.
Can we think of the mind as a similar kind of
list or group, which is composed of several
My name is Legion for we are many . . .
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:37 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
You are talking about the list as if it is a single
entity (let us see how 'the list' responds), although
it is composed of several independent individuals:
Russ, Stephen, Glen, Douglas, to name a few.
Nick and I are on opposite sides of the consciousness debate. I think there is
an inner mind and that I experience it. Nick rejects statements not made from
the third person perspective. Perhaps the debate suffers from a feeling that if
we take Nick's third person view, we are not allowed to
As I wrote to Nick directly, I think Nick is gracious and kind and a man of
great integrity.
But this doesn't make sense to me: We don't have to believe in inner minds
to say that a person accused of dishonesty behaves as if deeply hurt. What
could it possibly mean to say that a person is deeply
Steve,
Please dont criticize; help. If we are circling, summarize the positions.
Locate points of agreement. Isolate remaining issues. Build!
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
I've watched this particular verbal volleyball match for over a week now,
and I must confess: I don't have the faintest idea what the objective of
the exercise is. What I have noticed, however, is repeated usage of words
that apparently have deep, overloaded, special meanings to their author,
Jochen,
Nice. I discovered when I moved to a small town in New England 40 years
ago, I found that there were lots of theys but no we's. So, people
would get together and discuss the bad behavior of they who lived up
town, but when you got up town, you never could find any we that
corresponded
John,
You may be in trouble,here, because I absolutely agree with what you are
saying.
In fact, I believe, that the first job of the child is to parse the outer
world into two subworlds, one that moves with me and one that moves with
respect to me. Immediately, parents start assigning names
What is odd about this whole interchange is that I can't quite find the
point of view (all experience is 3rd person) Nick is promoting, but it
feels that it could very well be my own habit of experience and
language.
This is not to say that I believe the 3rd person thing is real or
I have to admit, I do not understand what is going on here, either. Doug's comment on the words used caught my attention, though. While in most instances rhetoric is thought to flow FROM culture, there is a growing body that holds the opposite: we create our culture though our use of words and
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
What is odd about this whole interchange is that I can't quite find the
point of view (all experience is 3rd person) Nick is promoting, but it feels
that it could very well be my own habit of experience and language.
What
Dear Doug and List,
I hope it is clear to everybody by now that Nick is a philosophical example.
He was borrowed for this purpose because the best discussions are reflexive ...
i.e, they become examples of themselves. Doug and Nick (the real one, this
time) fell into a paradox. He is
I'd like to switch from robots to towns. Sometimes we loosely talk of a town's
spirit. We might say that the spirit is dampened when the town's little league
team loses to the team from an adjoining town. Or that the town is suffering
from a political illusion, etc. But we can say these things
Well, that certainly cleared things up!
;-} ;-{
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Nicholas Thompson
nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
Dear Doug and List,
I hope it is clear to everybody by now that Nick is a philosophical
example. He was borrowed for this purpose because the best
James,
thanks for your input.
You are correct that I have only claimed so far that it is true of me, but Russ
is right that as soon as I have gotten Le Monde to claim that it is true of me,
that it is true of EVERYBODY, even you.
So, IF his ethical premises are correct, his concern for
I'll admit that I'm now getting lost in all the words. (It's also
distressing that yet another Russell has shown up.)
Here's a bit of an exchange Nick and I had privately. He suggested (and I
fully agree) that we should continue it on the list. Nick asked me to
respond to his earlier comment
For some reason, I am assuming that those were ironic squiggles.
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
- Original Message -
From: Douglas Roberts
Do you mean 'assuming', or assuming?
--Doug
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Nicholas Thompson
nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
For some reason, I am assuming that those were ironic squiggles.
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University
Dear Russell 1
Russell 2 has always been with us. In fact, he is in Australia, where you are
about to go!
The People are going to be Really Angry with us: I can't find anything to
disagree with about what you said. So I, too, have been worrying about the
homunculus or the
But recently there's been a Russell3.
No, I don't disagree with what you said. But what do you say to the ethical
issue?
Religious fundamentalists argue that if it weren't for a belief in God and
his commandments we would all behave in what we would all agree is
unacceptable ways. Therefore we
Somehow I had missed Nick's long discussion of morality and behaviorism when
I wrote the message below. It still seems to me that there are a few
issues.
Nick said that I think people would be better off if they believed in an
inner life. That's not my position. My position is that the existence
Hey, eric. Welcome aboard.
It's traditional to introduce yourself with a sentence or two. Say a few
words of ... well ... um ... self description.
N
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
Russ Abbott emitted this, circa 09-06-19 02:30 PM:
Nick said that I think people would be better off if they believed in an
inner life. That's not my position. My position is that the existence of
an inner life seems to me to the only viable foundation for ethics,
I think it's possible to
Per the discussion this a.m. regarding U.S. medical costs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31390679/ns/health-health_care
-tj
--
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J. T. Johnson
Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA
www.analyticjournalism.com
505.577.6482(c)
I seem to have missed Russell3. Please see comments below in blue 12 bold
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
- Original Message -
From: Russ Abbott
To:
Dear Glen, and lurkers,
The mirror neuron thing is mind blowing. I have always found imitation
mysterious, because I could never learn Greek dancing, even when others
were willing to carry me around on their shoulders while I wiggled my feet
ineffectually in the air. So, suddenly there are
Douglas Roberts wrote:
Well, that certainly cleared things up!
And the most fascinating thing (for the benefit for those who know
neither I nor Doug personally) is that this was a wonderful illumination
for me. Nothing conclusive, but nicely expansive (for me)...
I think it is time for Doug
We've definitely exhausted the subject. But I can't resist two things.
1. Ethics is the study of moral systems. The following parallelism seems to
work. Ethics is to systems of morality as psychology is to whatever it is
that psychologists study. An ethical theory is to ethics as behaviorism is
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