Re: [FRIAM] The Gambler and the Academic

2020-09-01 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm with you, Russ. Old saw. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 4:46 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! Sure. But the last comment from the Gambler is the punchline. > > On 9/1/20 3:25 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > I'm pretty

Re: [FRIAM] Causation, Prediction, Search on Academia

2020-08-25 Thread Frank Wimberly
https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/16/2877902/judea-pearl-wins-turing-award-2011-ai-research --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 6:13 PM Steve Smith wrote: > Frank - > > Madelyn is Clark's daughter and was a little girl

Re: [FRIAM] Causation, Prediction, Search on Academia

2020-08-25 Thread Frank Wimberly
Madelyn is Clark's daughter and was a little girl when I knew her. The CMU people and the UCLA people (Pearl et al. He Is the father of Daniel Pearl) have long cooperated. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:27 PM

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2020-08-25 Thread Frank Wimberly
t; > It's available here < > http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.359.5281=rep1=pdf > >. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Wimberly <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFj

[FRIAM] (no subject)

2020-08-25 Thread Frank Wimberly
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Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
am@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused) > > > > What is so bad about Sushi? It is a bit fishy and cold, but on hot summer > days it can be refreshing. I am not a fan of raw fish but good Sushi is an > art. > > > > -J

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
One is tempted to say, "Evolution at work" but I won't. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:33 AM Prof David West wrote: > How many people on this list would take an approved (assume all standard > procedures predated

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
your damned sushi to go plate > into the local tap room or I'll be forced to shoot you in the face with my > 9mm loaded with 15 hollow points that I trained for a WHOLE HOUR so I can > carry it in my pocket. > > On 8/22/20 5:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > What freedoms

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
What freedoms are Democrats trying to take away? The freedom to dump mine tailings in creeks? That's the one that I can think of. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:41 PM Eric Charles wrote: > David, > That might

[FRIAM] Tetrad Wins SAIL Award

2020-08-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
from 1996-1998 and turned it into an industrial strength product. In particular, he added many search algorithms and a first class user interface. Scheines, Sprites, and Glymour worked with me on that early version on a daily basis. This is much deserved recognition. Frank -- Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
o/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-1

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'd like to help you, Dave, but this reminds me of why I returned to math after getting a master's in psychology. All mathematicians agree that the Pythagorean Theorem is true in the Euclidean plane. I'm not sure all psychologists agree about anything. I realize this is more provocative than

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-16 Thread Frank Wimberly
. -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://fr

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-16 Thread Frank Wimberly
ness. > > > > Thanks, again, for helping me think about this. > > > > > > > > N > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-16 Thread Frank Wimberly
/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f=E,1,-XvvP7UQfTHLobknPzMP5r8sAfPOcnSiIH41MKyXIRnSha8tQabypuYpGtyJyuUrQ43mq5ul35krcYjQf9OGxU-TIT0otdUjvcSPqcuYnNFluqTJVHRoEp64TEFQ=1> > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 20

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, The toy seems to me to illustrate that one variable can be causally related to another (selected) and correlated to a third which is not causally connected to the third. Or something like that. Am I close? Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2020-08-13 Thread Frank Wimberly
My favorite part of flying. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:30 AM Barry MacKichan wrote: > Does it include lessons on how to land the plane? > > —Barry > > On 12 Aug 2020, at 21:53, Frank Wimber

Re: [FRIAM] J. Carter — collective virtue epistemology

2020-08-13 Thread Frank Wimberly
Brief responses, Dave. When I first heard that song in 195? I wondered whether the eater or the people were purple. Maybe everyone did. I like your fair-minded rhetoric. For example, "offers little" rather than "offers nothing". I prefer pure math but I don't disdain applied math. My

[FRIAM] (no subject)

2020-08-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
I just got an email from a flight training program offering me a nine month course to get a multi engine commercial license. They don't read the Friam listsrv, I hope. I'm too old in any case. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM - .

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Southern RR

2020-08-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
On the BiosGroup trip my daughter Flor and Chip Upsal's son Jeremy were running around throwing popcorn (or something) at each other. They were about 8. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 1:06 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Now

Re: [FRIAM] Covid 2025 as perceived by University of Chicago profs

2020-08-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
Is there a linked or attached article? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 7:54 PM George Duncan wrote: > > George Duncan > Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University > georgeduncanart.com > See posts

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
Yes. Sorry. I thought it was inferrable with high confidence. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 4:56 PM Gary Schiltz wrote: > As in Stuart Kauffman? > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 5:37 PM Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
p.s. my friend and former colleague Takeo Kanade is a very esteemed professor at Kyoto University and Carnegie Mellon. He is bound to know Maruyama. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 4:36 PM Frank Wimberly wrote

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
I ran into Stuart K at MVD at a time reserved for old folks today. He asked about Friam. I told him we've continued to meet using Zoom. He asked me to send him the link so I complied. Knowing him pretty well, I would say he may or may not attend. I hope he does. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: ∄ meaning, only text: IS: Simulations as constructed metaphors

2020-08-10 Thread Frank Wimberly
her along > toward the natural object end of the spectrum than digital computers. > > On 8/10/20 12:09 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > high quality flight simulator based on ball/disk integrators. I'm > wondering whether it was obtuse. I had a private pilot's license and it > was

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: ∄ meaning, only text: IS: Simulations as constructed metaphors

2020-08-10 Thread Frank Wimberly
When I was a grad student at Pitt in about 1974 the project was working on (Project Solo, NSF funded, to get high school students to write programs to solve problems in many application areas thereby requiring that the understand those areas be they physics and chemistry or set design) was given a

Re: [FRIAM] Programming Languages

2020-08-10 Thread Frank Wimberly
stserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. .

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
Sheesh, Nick. Since when do you judge speakers by their appearance? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 1:09 PM wrote: > Jon, > > > > You know, in the end, I watched the whole Pinker talk. And it was good, > and

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
it direct object: el gusto. Gustar=dar > gusto. > > It could be like other intransitive verbs that can be made passive with > “se”: no se nada aquí. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 9:47 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > >> It's usually obvious from.the context who/what "it&q

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
Those French! They have a word for everything! Apologies to Steve Martin. I think, as your translations demonstrate, English also has impersonal constructions. But I think we use them less. They're probably correct that we're excessively assertive. And we know what they think of Germans.

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
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Re: [FRIAM] ethnography and information systems

2020-08-08 Thread Frank Wimberly
My first language was Algol (1965), second was Fortran during a summer job that year. After that Lisp, C, Pascal (which I taught without having used it before), then Java, Java, Java. The Algol beginning was very valuable. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505

Re: [FRIAM] Iconik on the weekend

2020-08-08 Thread Frank Wimberly
Get as far away from them as possible without leaving the venue. If they sit next to you move away. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 10:33 AM jon zingale wrote: > I really love sitting outside at Iconik in the

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A literal word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

2020-08-06 Thread Frank Wimberly
Photo of goathead burrs: https://www.hogsatemysister.com/stupid-evil-goat-heads-and-sticker-wars/ On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:27 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I remember dealing with what my family called "goatheads" when I was a > toddler in rural New Mexico. If you look at what m

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

2020-08-06 Thread Frank Wimberly
I remember dealing with what my family called "goatheads" when I was a toddler in rural New Mexico. If you look at what my grandson calls prickers closely you can see a goat's head including two horns and a beard. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Talk Announcement: Edward Grefenstette (Facebook AI/UCL) - 8/11 11AM

2020-08-05 Thread Frank Wimberly
Thanks, George. I was familiar with some of Greffenstette's work at some point but the details elude me. Have you attended any of these CMU talks online? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 4:37 PM George Duncan wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread Frank Wimberly
Why tragedy? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 12:05 PM jon zingale wrote: > FWIW, I occasionally entertain the idea of a *Universal Grammar* for > belief[⍦]. > The idea being that there may be some genetic component

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
I am unfamiliar with almost all your allusions with the exception of "El Jardín de los Senderos que se Bifurcan" which I read in Spanish class many years ago. Are the rest of you readers familiar with NotP, etc.? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
Wow. I thought it was new. It was new to me. Thanks, R. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 2:58 PM Alexander Rasmus wrote: > Frank, > > Garry's Mod came out in 2004. It is roughly speaking a mod of half-life 2, > and

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
My 8 year old grandson seems to keep current with the latest trends in games somehow. I think Youtube Is involved. His latest obsession is Garry's Mod or GMod. The graphics are spectacular. I wonder if it supports different skins. I wonder what it's a mod of. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle

Re: [FRIAM] actual vs potential ∞

2020-08-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
I might modify this slightly to For any r in R, however large, there exists x in R, and epsilon > 0 in R such that 1/x > r for x < epsilon. I'm not sure that makes a difference but it may make it clearer. On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:14 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > My opinion. 1/0

Re: [FRIAM] actual vs potential ∞

2020-08-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
My opinion. 1/0 is undefined. Depending on the context you can define it in a way that's useful in that context. To say that lim(1/x) as x ->0 = infinity means precisely: For any r in R, however large, there exists an x in R such that 1/x > r. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo

Re: [FRIAM] Intentionality is the Mark of the Vital

2020-08-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
Why is that so many of the good papers are a collaboration of two persons from different departments? Carnegie Mellon's research theme is interdisciplinary investigation for that reason. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Aug 3,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd:  "Actual causation: a stone soup essay" by Richard Scheines

2020-08-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
t; Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Sunday, August 2, 2020 12:29 PM > *To:* The Frida

[FRIAM] Fwd:  "Actual causation: a stone soup essay" by Richard Scheines

2020-08-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
In the unlikely event that you wondered what I worked on at Carnegie Mellon here is a paper written by my colleagues. My job was to implement these algorithms in software. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM -- Forwarded message

Re: [FRIAM] Constructive mathematics.

2020-07-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
05 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 1:03 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Glen et al,. > > This morning Glen raised some interesting questions about the limitations > of constructive mathematics if I understood correctly. My undergraduate > advisor, Errett Bishop wrote a

[FRIAM] Constructive mathematics.

2020-07-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
Glen et al,. This morning Glen raised some interesting questions about the limitations of constructive mathematics if I understood correctly. My undergraduate advisor, Errett Bishop wrote a book called Foundations of Constructive Analysis. Fortunately I inherited a copy from Reuben. I will

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
mplexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Sant

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
p.s. She and Irene Lee would have been in the same class at Chicago. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 4:42 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Wow, your son did very well, Merle I hope your other son will ret

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
d turned him away from righteous pursuit. I've never forgiven > that wicked business school. > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 3:05 PM Merle Lefkoff > wrote: > >> Of course not, Frank, but evidently, many do. >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:46 PM Frank Wimberl

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
curriculum. It doesn't make a lot of sense to say, "I >> really want a degree from Rutgers, because employers value degrees from >> Rutgers, but I also think Rutgers should change its curriculum to not be so >> strict in only letting people graduate if they actually have th

[FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
Causation and quantum mechanics. A challenge to physicists and philosophers. I apologize if someone already referenced this. https://www.academia.edu/37610082/Causation_and_Quantum_Mechanics?email_work_card=title -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
in college, that would be fine (and I >> think that is what Nick is struggling to get at). And if those skills were >> valued (economically, or merely for personal growth) then a degree from >> that college would be a reliable indicator of that specific valuable >> achievemen

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
ding over backwards to > review books written by women of color. > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:03 PM Frank Wimberly > wrote: > >> I'm trying to remember my freshman English class. Every other Friday we >> had to submit a five hundred word essay on the clas

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
barring them from having successful lives in the colonies where > their ancestors had lived for generations. Stop doing it. Examine every > thought you have about how to teach. Be better. > > - that's how the argument goes > anyway.

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm trying to remember my freshman English class. Every other Friday we had to submit a five hundred word essay on the class readings. On alternate Fridays we had to write an in-class paragraph or two on those readings. The readings included the following: Catcher in the Rye by Salinger Victory

Re: [FRIAM] Dogs, Computers, Joy

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
Glen did not invent the word predicative. See https://iep.utm.edu/predicat/ --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 1:03 PM wrote: > You are pushing me hard, here, but I think the up/down thang is orthogonal > to the

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
ss, or go, with a computer. As I play I have a very > enlivening experience of playing. The computer seems to have no such > thing. For me, in my engagement, “Every neuron is listening to the mutter > of the crowd.” Jerry Lettvin, MIT. If The computer goes on to win it has > nothing l

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
mputer goes on to win it has > nothing like the experience of winning. it just stops. I can’t imagine a > computer saying, except by playing a pre recorded sound file, “that is > disgusting.” > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > &

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 9:12 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Smart computer (program). Nick, is the behaviorist position that if it behaves as though it thinks than it thinks? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 8:28 PM Alexander Rasmus wrote: > There's also a lot of stuff that

Re: [FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

2020-07-26 Thread Frank Wimberly
Jon, I'll think about that more. An initial reaction is that I'm surprised that you call monoids, rings, etc "higher structures". They have less structure than a vector space, don't they? Is it because they're more general? Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505

[FRIAM] UAB doctors say COVID-19 vaccine could create better immune response than actual infection

2020-07-24 Thread Frank Wimberly
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0PhIu0KI?s=a3=05we06Th UAB doctors say COVID-19 vaccine could create better immune response than actual infection msn.com BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) - Doctors at UAB say they’re worried about new evidence that suggests the immunity you get after being infected with

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-24 Thread Frank Wimberly
This is my final comment on this topic. Admitting points as squares makes these square covering problems uninteresting. By placing the point-squares on the boundary you can cover a square with an arbitrary number of them. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS > Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > >

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
Sorry. I only took math courses in grad school until I was 29 years old and at that time OO didn't exist as far as I know. Databases were just coming into prominence as an area of study. The dissertations that were published in my department the year I finished were all in database topics

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
: > No, I don't. What's the difference? > > On 7/23/20 2:46 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > OK. As long as you grok the difference between the mathematical concept > and the OO concept. > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRI

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
inning, I tend to traitoriously jump from one side to the other. > > On 7/23/20 2:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > What? > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 2:56 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Ha! No way. If that were true, then to mow my l

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
d also be > mowed. > > On 7/23/20 1:52 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > "is the same sized square, e.g. at {0.5,0.5}, the same square as the one > at {10.5-10,10.5-10}" > > > > If you agree that 10.5 - 10 = 0.5 then

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
used an alternate definition of "square" than what Cody was using, > this uses yet *another* definition of "square", one that's more agnostic > about the space inside the square's borders. Is a square picture frame a > square? Or just a set of 4 sticks wherein the squareness

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
math"? > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com &

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
if not identical, to saying > a point is divisible because point/2 = point. But before you claimed a > point is indivisible. So, if you were more clear about which authority you > were citing when you make your claims, we wouldn't have these discussions. > > On 7/23/20 10:35 AM, Frank

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
ties are larger than others. > > Talking the way you're talking sweeps Cody's question under the rug > without answering it. > > On 7/23/20 10:21 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > 1/infinity is the limit of 1/x as x goes to infinity, which is zero. > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > >

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
1/infinity is the limit of 1/x as x goes to infinity, which is zero. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 11:16 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Maybe. But how do we handle things like reciprocals of infinities? Is > 1/aleph0 the

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
OK with me. Unlike you, Jon, I don't assume my reader is a graduate level mathematician. Did you see my discussion of infinite series? That was approximately sophomore level. When Cody said that limits were a mysterious or magical concept to him I could have launched into a set of formal

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
2020 at 10:34 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! I can't pardon the tone because the authority is simply wrong. > Besides, asserting such things with no justification is not merely a tone. > > On 7/23/20 9:28 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > points are indivisible. Pardon the tone of author

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
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Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
The point is there is no way to partition a square into two squares. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 9:17 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Right. When its area reaches zero it's not a square. That is, there is >

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
3-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > p.s. Zeno's Paradox is related to > > 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +... > > = Sum(1/(2^n)) for n = 1 to infinity > > = 1 > > (Note: Sum(1/(2^n)) for n = 0 to infinity >

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
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Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
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Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Off the top off my head. As long as the small square isn't of zero area the larger square isn't a square. When the smaller square reaches area zero there is only one square. What do you think? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Re: Chinese Room I mentioned the Chinese Room thought experiment to my erstwhile boss, a bona fide philosopher. His reaction, "Anything follows from a false premise.". I think he meant that having a room full of Chinese scholars who laboriously execute a complex algorithm they don't understand

Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
gy and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
; > > > Ok, in that case, I see why you said what you said. > > > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > >

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Not right. As I said, you may believe or not x, y, and/or z independently whether or not you know logic. In the meantime x and y imply z. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 9:37 AM wrote: > OK, so what if I believe

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Then it's a proposition. Logic applies. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 6:07 AM Jon Zingale wrote: > What about something being believably prior rather than just temporally > prior? Perhaps, we would use a

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
I believe that one can believe a, b, and c independently even if a and b entail (or cause) c. Also, in the definition of causation I reported earlier I carefully said "a cause" rather than "the cause". I taught resolution theorem proving in the AI course that I taught. That's a lot of logic.

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Heuristic: What a mess. High entropy. Everything in its place. Low entropy. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 8:57 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Excellent! Thanks. It's not clear to me why I get so confused. Every time > I

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Anderson and Belnap Entailment https://books.google.com/books/about/Entailment.html?id=8LRGswEACAAJ=kp_book_description --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 6:03 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > The counterfactual definit

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
The counterfactual definition of cause that you offer has been widely discussed and has been found to be inadequate. Jon, give me an "other thing" that may be a cause and I'll bet that I can explain how it's an event. Or how you can construe it as one. There is a book called "Entailment" by

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
n > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2020 1:59 PM > *To:*

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, you are correct in saying that causation is a relation between events. The most useful definition of causation that we found in our statistical causal reasoning research (viz Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines) was event A is a cause of event B if the occurrence of A is followed by a change in

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm not reading this carefully enough. I am selling my car which involves paperwork. There are many systems with causal graphs with feedback loops. In genetic regulatory networks, for example. Is that downward causation? A classic example is the case if two ladders leaning against each other

Re: [FRIAM] NYTimes: A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S.

2020-07-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
Northern SF County good. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:25 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > Perhaps it is the color choices? This map hit me with the authenticity of > truth-telling, with a visceral feeling. > > > > -- >

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
> thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Sub

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop schizophrenia. Does that work for you? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 17, 2020,

Re: [FRIAM] One Legged Hopping Robot

2020-07-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
https://youtu.be/LiNSPRKHyvo My friend Marc Raibert explaining what our look work led to. Actually my involvement was very early and was limited to one paper: Raibert, Marc H. and Francis C. Wimberly. Tabular Control of Balance in a Dynamic Legged System. IEEE Transactions on

[FRIAM] From The New Yorker

2020-07-17 Thread Frank Wimberly
https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/F-VQwG5qSz6O3riuZOfY2M7hEmANTOFePdhPPr-aFZIkKYF0EoOE19yGryWO3s9KJuE_WN8gO02uiNjfGfOKocOE6JEEBvkYeTqp0cjxBTTWaTZ2i7UYFd_ArYT5MqQ0C-GE=s0-d-e1-ft#https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f11b9123fc8fd949d385b55/1:1/w_800/A24461.jpg --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle

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