Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest

2020-10-13 Thread Prof David West
sman's "Why Translation Matters". (note -- she doesn't talk about Japan > at all) Respect as engagement rather than obeisance. > > C > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Prof David West wrote: >> __ >> Carl is

Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest

2020-10-12 Thread Prof David West
at >>>>>>> is true, which I doubt, it says to me politicians are mirroring the >>>>>>> electorate in a very obscure way. And I am pretty sure I am not far >>>>>>> to the left of Bernie Sanders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Fr

Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest

2020-10-10 Thread Prof David West
Econ left/right: -0.88 Social Lib/Auth: -6.1 davew NOT a Libertarian On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Do we all agree at an insanely high level? Then wtf have we been arguing > about all these years. Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take the test before

[FRIAM] post debate

2020-10-08 Thread Prof David West
I share this with a bit of trepidation, but ... I was engaged in a conversation with some of my 'ultra-liberal democratic' friends in Santa Fe after the debate. The denouement of the discussion was their comment: "Both sides have so successfully demonized the other that fear is the single most

[FRIAM] labels

2020-10-08 Thread Prof David West
Nick used to spread a scurrilous rumor that I was a Libertarian. (Of course, I retaliated with a rumor of his mysticism.) Reading this: https://therabbitisin.com/the-pythagorean-illuminati-and-their-mathematical-reality-a207ee952d30 made me wonder if FRIAM harbors a number of Pythagorean Illumi

[FRIAM] trump word

2020-10-08 Thread Prof David West
snollygoster davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC

Re: [FRIAM] Trump as a victim

2020-10-07 Thread Prof David West
AMA should get credit for what they do that is creditworthy. They should also be chastised, to a lesser but somewhat lesser degree, for the harm caused when they assume the role of a "union" protecting members at all cost. "Bad" doctors are more likely to be incompetent or impaired than evil. T

Re: [FRIAM] for Nick - prurient entymology

2020-10-03 Thread Prof David West
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 12:50 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: [FRIAM] for Nick - prurient entymology > > Avocado - from Aztec

[FRIAM] for Nick - prurient entymology

2020-10-03 Thread Prof David West
Avocado - from Aztec (via Spanish) ahucatl, meaning testicle Etiquette - little signs that that Louis XIV put out to remind people not to pee in the fountains of Versaille Bully - from Duth boel meaing lover Editor - Roman title for someone charged with organizing human sacrifices fascinate fr

[FRIAM] darwin

2020-09-26 Thread Prof David West
The "woke" "presentists" are coming after Darwin: "Despite his notional belief in abolition, Darwin believed whites were more evolved than “savage races,” whom they would—as an unfolding of natural selection—“exterminate and replace.” Oh, and he was a eugenicist: in *The Descent of Man*, he mus

Re: [FRIAM] God in Science and Religion (was Re: why some people hate cops)

2020-09-25 Thread Prof David West
2 cents on religion — Pretty sure I have never hated any group, a couple of individuals have come close ... Although every institution of religion. be it a three person cult or a global church, is, in my opinion a festering pit of purulence, there is no hate there, just a strong desire to stay

Re: [FRIAM] God in Science and Religion (was Re: why some people hate cops)

2020-09-25 Thread Prof David West
2 cents ——— I cannot think of a single *_institution_*, including the GOP, that would support Trump if he loses the electoral vote or the House vote it if came to that. He is a political outsider, not a member of any of the "clubs" and none of those 'clubs" would ever offer him membership. Thi

Re: [FRIAM] constructionism, textualism, and originalism

2020-09-23 Thread Prof David West
I have not read a lot about constitutional and or legal interpretation, but what I have read seems to be a very shallow echo of hermeneutics and exegesis philosophies and methods developed for religions texts, especially the Koran, Torah, and Bible. Maybe a course or two in literary hermeneutics

Re: [FRIAM] hot time in town tonight

2020-09-20 Thread Prof David West
, 'people gonna do what they do', some vestige of >> I told you so, no pleasure. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, at 5:20 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >>> And why does this give you pleasure? >>> >>> Nicholas Thompson &g

Re: [FRIAM] hot time in town tonight

2020-09-20 Thread Prof David West
pleasure. davew On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, at 5:20 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > And why does this give you pleasure? > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nth

[FRIAM] hot time in town tonight

2020-09-19 Thread Prof David West
Epoch Times Big Data Report August 2020 Gun sales up 133% over same three month time frame of 2019. 12 % of registered Democrats bought guns this period 19% of Republicans 22% of those ages 18-29 21% Black 32% Union Members 19% Urbanites 19% of those earning over $200K/yr 1.8 million guns sold in

Re: [FRIAM] Cell Press / Patterns

2020-09-15 Thread Prof David West
Re: guns and hobbies. It is hunting season and every day several hundred hunters are passing through the store and conversing among themselves. Almost all of them are masked and 70-75% have pistols strapped to their hips (men and women). Bow hunting just ended and elk season started with guns fo

[FRIAM] election odds

2020-09-14 Thread Prof David West
An alternative to polling. https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics?referral=Fc2BQNxuElGSe_1o8kmCS2Nd7ZgqdRLk&affid=10737 https://www.vegaselectionodds.com/ davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.l

Re: [FRIAM] flu versus COVID

2020-09-13 Thread Prof David West
on way too tight) might be a little afraid that those they would >> like to intimidate with violence or the threat of it might have their own >> venomous bite if cornered. >> > Maybe a virulent mass uprising by the Left (or to me "center") if Trump and > his cr

Re: [FRIAM] flu versus COVID

2020-09-13 Thread Prof David West
loathing at Trump... and > I"m sure plenty of LIberals/Democrats love seeing that... and I suppose > I'm just glad I don't have to get my own hands dirty (possibly?) > overstating Trumps outrageous behaviour.   > > The next 2 months (and 2.5 beyond) will surely prove t

Re: [FRIAM] flu versus COVID

2020-09-13 Thread Prof David West
MacKichan wrote: > Are you saying that 95% to 97% of flu infections are asymptomatic (“cases” vs > “infections”)? What is a source for this? > —Barry > On 12 Sep 2020, at 10:44, Prof David West wrote: >> IFR = infection fatality rate >> CFR = case fatality rate >>

Re: [FRIAM] flu versus COVID

2020-09-12 Thread Prof David West
x27;s impossible to harden > ourselves to such risk without holing up in our echo-chamber dungeons, > surrounded by others who've "jumped over the bar" to be included in our > in-group. > > > On 9/12/20 7:44 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Sloppy reportin

[FRIAM] flu versus COVID

2020-09-12 Thread Prof David West
Sloppy reporting, and sloppy pronouncements — yes, you Dr. Fauci — have contaminated the discussion about COVID and appropriate responses. Specifically with regard equating or improperly substituting IFR with CFR. IFR = infection fatality rate CFR = case fatality rate A "case"requires symptoms.

[FRIAM] next vFRIAM

2020-09-12 Thread Prof David West
I will be watching next virtual FRIAM. www.coorslight.com/clonemachine/ davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com a

[FRIAM] words about words

2020-09-06 Thread Prof David West
Some instances of words about words; most of which I was unaware until reading *Camp Concentration *by Disch and then looking them up. Retronym Tmesis Capitonym Bahuvrihi (this one I knew from my Asian Philosophy study, it is a Sanskrit word) Embolalia Metonym Mondegreen (knew this one)

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

2020-09-05 Thread Prof David West
I've committed to > joining as they change into a coop. > > On September 5, 2020 7:36:07 AM PDT, Prof David West > wrote: > >the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in > >another building across the street. > > > >lots of sm

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

2020-09-05 Thread Prof David West
the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in another building across the street. lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco plentiful. They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to visit the US. davew On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 8:24 AM, ⛧

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-25 Thread Prof David West
weren't fast enough to get a Tesla flamethrower? On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, at 10:51 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! Nothing. I have it because guns are fun little machines ... same > reason I built a light following robot. Any dork who denies having fun > shooting (and cleaning) a gun either isn't rea

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-24 Thread Prof David West
managed to avoid - except, I think, when it was part of another dish. I like salty, but the strong fish smell kind of put me off. davew On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > Ah, but have you tried kusaya? > > Carl > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
The year I lived in Japan, I ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite for it for a couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned. It is quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have had Fugu and the tingling sensation on lips and tongue is incomparable to any other dish. On two occ

[FRIAM] constructor theory

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
latest distraction, obsession, of my fascination with physics persona — http://constructortheory.org/ anyone have knowledge/opinions? Is the support they receive from Templeton of any concern? davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listser

[FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
How many people on this list would take an approved (assume all standard procedures predated the approval) COVID vaccine if one were available? I'll hazard a guess that it would be close to 90%. A recent survey showed the percentages of those who would refuse a free government approved vaccine:

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-22 Thread Prof David West
Eric C. wrote: *"A liberal is someone who is striving to increase liberty (for whatever reason). An authoritarian is striving to give control to a small central group or individual (for whatever reason)."* Around here, your observation would be 180 degrees opposite. A liberal (read Democrat) i

[FRIAM] intersting research

2020-08-22 Thread Prof David West
https://beyondconflictint.org/americas-divided-mind/ full report downloadable from website davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listin

[FRIAM] words for Nick

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Wit — now: fun, funny, humorous; then: clever, apt humor, intelligence, acumen, thinker Fizzle — now: to fail, failure; then: to fart quietly Buxom — now: large-breasted; then: compliant or obedient Fantastic — now: unbelievable, superlative, excellent; then: based on fantasy o

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Derrida is the "pure mathematician" of text. Doesn't make him right or meaningful, but he makes for some interesting abstract games. His text is second only to Foucalt in its impenetrability davew . On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, at 3:55 PM, jon zingale wrote: > I rather liked his characterization of De

Re: [FRIAM] Splatter was: the racist woo peddler

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Trump has problems with Mormons in general. Romney's antipathy to trump epitomizes the "Mormon on the street." Nevertheless, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Eastern Oregon, Western Montana, and Western Colorado where you will find large if not majority Mormon populations will vote decisively Republican.

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Some reactions to Bonevac's lecture. 1) The only place where postmodernism continues to hold influence is among leftist academics and politics, e.g. gender studies, ethnic studies, a portion of BLM, Antifa rhetoric (talk by self-identified folk - make no claim as to whether a "movement" as such

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Nick, *THE* technical solution would be to create an AI that would have access to all your voting records, everything you ever wrote or said about politics and policies, all your FRIAM correspondence, any social media you may have been tricked into using, your amazon purchasing records, all the

Re: [FRIAM] the racist woo peddler

2020-08-20 Thread Prof David West
Very cool questions. One of my best friends teaches Theology at the University of St. Thomas, a solidly Catholic institution where I also taught. He is a overt atheist — except in the classroom — and I once asked him if his atheism came naturally or was developed. His reply, "I earned it with s

Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity

2020-08-19 Thread Prof David West
winking)? > > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > &g

Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity

2020-08-19 Thread Prof David West
Anecdotal means nothing. Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues." Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wea

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-18 Thread Prof David West
Silly me; I just discovered that Nicolas Bourbaki — despite publishing numerous papers and authoring a classical math text, inventor of injective, surjective, and bijective functions — did not exist (at least as an individual person). On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Prof David West wrote

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-18 Thread Prof David West
pnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:29 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and lo

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-18 Thread Prof David West
> > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:24 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!" > > probably because I misunderstand fun

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-18 Thread Prof David West
t in some circumstances, abusive in others. Those who > would trade expressiveness for safety deserve neither. > > On 8/17/20 7:36 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > *[The following sentence is just to annoy glen and jon, who, I believe, are > > enamored of functional programming

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-18 Thread Prof David West
as much as > the other links, > but the brilliant.org folks look interesting. > > Enjoy! > Carl > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 8:42 PM Prof David West wrote: >> The following is a simplistic article about how mathematicians think. >> >> https://mediu

[FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-17 Thread Prof David West
The following is a simplistic article about how mathematicians think. https://medium.com/cantors-paradise/the-psychology-behind-mathematical-thinking-4fdc3ab32bfe I find the idea behind the article interesting and, when I have time, will follow up trying to find 'real' stuff to read. But, if any

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-17 Thread Prof David West
ing is one of > the eight. > > Nick > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/n

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-17 Thread Prof David West
er, that Nick and EricC read all this stuff in the crib, > because they have read and written a lot on evolution. But in any case, it > gives a concrete point of departure. > > Eric > > >> On Aug 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Prof David West wrote: >> >> Silly quest

Re: [FRIAM] "Brown eggs are local eggs and local eggs are FRESH!"

2020-08-16 Thread Prof David West
Silly question / story – about doves not chickens. I gave the dove, like all my creatures, a command to be fruitful and multiply. But I know my dove well, and both the he and she of dovedom tend to be a bit forgetful, even careless. It seemed to me that they would need some kind of reminder to

Re: [FRIAM] J. Carter — collective virtue epistemology

2020-08-14 Thread Prof David West
; 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 3:34 AM glen wrote: >> Excellent! This is the kind of skepticism I was incapable of formulating by >> myself. Thanks! I hope to revisit the paper now. >> >> On August 12, 2020 12:55:02 PM PDT, Pr

Re: [FRIAM] Flight Training and Deprecated Skills/Languages, etc.

2020-08-14 Thread Prof David West
Neither you, nor 99% of the populace, will be willing to travel via fully automated airplane, for three reasons: 1) inability to write/produce 100% correct software; 2) pilots are in the cockpit (nice sexist name) for those 1 in a million events that are completely unpredictable (Scully landing

Re: [FRIAM] Epidiagram

2020-08-14 Thread Prof David West
Re: Aspirin Consequence1 (C1) — introduce the chemical complex we label 'aspirin' into a defined biochemical "stew" = some biochemical reactions among components of that stew. Consequence2 (C2) — the specific biochemical reactions of C1 cause a state change, i.e. the state of the stew is X ins

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

2020-08-13 Thread Prof David West
There is a projected shortage of 50,000 commercial pilots by 2030 — assuming COVID ever eases off. So, analogous to the fervid recruitment of COBOL programmers, they are trying to recruit anyone who has either had a pilot's license or a subscription to any kind of flying magazine. I have a frie

[FRIAM] J. Carter — collective virtue epistemology

2020-08-12 Thread Prof David West
I promised to read and comment, so here goes. I really dislike (detest) this kind of analytic epistemology (analytic philosophy in general) as it contributes nothing to my understanding of how things are — how people think, why people have certain beliefs, how people judge something to be "true

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: ∄ meaning, only text: IS: Simulations as constructed metaphors

2020-08-10 Thread Prof David West
Nick, You have inadvertently hit upon a pet peeve. For fifty plus years, Software Engineering — both theory and practice — has engaged in building models/simulacrum that are orders of magnitude more complicated, and those same orders of magnitude less understandable, than the business systems

Re: [FRIAM] ethnography and information systems

2020-08-08 Thread Prof David West
McWhorter's book The Language Hoax, https://www.amazon.com/Language-Hoax-John-H-McWhorter/dp/0190468890/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2BA5K37IW5TDI&dchild=1&keywords=the+language+hoax+why+the+world+looks+the+same+in+any+language&qid=1596907103&sprefix=the+language+hoax%2Caps%2C293&sr=8-1 clearly outlines t

Re: [FRIAM] Programming Languages

2020-08-08 Thread Prof David West
If your goal is to provide the machine with the most accurate and precise instructions possible then Assembler, followed relatively closely by C, cannot be beat. For specific domains, a language that allows easy, straightforward expression of domain concepts is superior. COBOL for business app

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Prof David West
Long time ago, as part of my cognitive anthropology studies, i had a lot of data about relationships among natural languages and programming languages (e.g. Native Hindi speakers learned Prolog, Pascal and SQL much faster than native English speakers) and between/among programming languages (e.g

Re: [FRIAM] curiosities ...

2020-08-05 Thread Prof David West
orary right". I don't even know how to respond to > that. And if you're equally worried about that, why do you more often > warn of the threat from the left? > > > [⛧] I have only 2 hair styles: 1) let it grow wherever/however and 2) > cut it all off. >

Re: [FRIAM] curiosities ...

2020-08-05 Thread Prof David West
s of name-calling, > etc. > > If you really go out and get some experience offending people > face-to-face, you'll *feel* the difference. I'll take 1000 offended > "woke" over a single offended right winger any day. > > > On 8/5/20 11:12 AM, Pr

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread Prof David West
I would be skeptical of the possibility. Studies in Neuro-Theology and Cognitive Anthropology might discover (and have)discovered) "universals:" e.g. suppression of activity in a specific brain location decreases one's sense of separation from the Universe; Xenophobia; etc. Other studies show i

[FRIAM] curiosities ...

2020-08-05 Thread Prof David West
... that might merit comment. quantum biology: Erithacus Rubecula (European Robin) migrates from northern Sweden to southern France (sometimes North Africa) using an "inclination compass" that works because of quantum entanglement of free radicals in cryptochrome receptors in the bird's eyes.

Re: [FRIAM] Dogs, Computers, Joy

2020-07-28 Thread Prof David West
I think many of you will find this interesting https://dreamsongs.com/Files/InkWellTuring.pdf Richard Gabriel talking about Turing Test (Nick, do you find his set up to be fair?) and poems written by Inkwell, his AI writing assistant / poetry writing software. davew On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, at

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Prof David West
Richard Gabriel has been working on a program called Inkwell that he described several years ago as an AI "writer's assistant." He uses it to write and analyze poetry. Recently he has argued that Inkwell has passed the Turing Test - with a body of original poetry. I have asked him to send me the

[FRIAM] albuquerque

2020-07-24 Thread Prof David West
what did they do to merit Trump sending them federal troops? davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: htt

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Prof David West
maybe of interest: In the 1630s, when the Roman Catholic Church was confronting Galileo over the Copernican system, the Revisors General of the Jesuit order condemned the doctrine that the continuum is composed of indivisibles. What we now call Cavalieri’s Principle was thought to be dangerous

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-13 Thread Prof David West
I used to think that computer science / software engineering was abysmally ignorant of its own history, but I am coming to believe that "science" is just as ignorant. (Even worse, believing that science and math began with the Greeks.) "Quantum woo," "interpretation doesn't matter, just shut up

[FRIAM] request on behalf of another

2020-07-05 Thread Prof David West
Some of you, Frank especially because of conversations in Spanish, will remember an occasional FRIAM attendee — Esperanza Richard. She and her family were given thirty day notice (owner has sold their current residence), and they desperately need to find a rental house. He teaches middle school

Re: [FRIAM] The theory of everything

2020-07-05 Thread Prof David West
Nick, Can't speak to tornadoes, but rocks certainly evolve. To understand how, you need to let go of your Western Rationalism just a tad. Karma and reincarnation provide a theory that, in turns, provides a context for seeing how a rock can evolve, very slowly to be sure, simply by 'acting corr

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-04 Thread Prof David West
gt; > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 1:19 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM > > Nick, > > People write software that self-modifies, learns to shape current actions >

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-03 Thread Prof David West
re. > > n > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Friday, Jul

Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

2020-07-03 Thread Prof David West
Nick, People write software that self-modifies, learns to shape current actions based on the results of prior actions, clones itself in order to maximize its share of some limited resource (memory or processor cycles) vis-a-vis competing software. This kind of software, once created and deploy

Re: [FRIAM] Hard problem vs. free swill

2020-07-03 Thread Prof David West
Jon, Not sure how Nick would respond, but it seems that your question assumes that evolution has some sort of "discrimination" that would allow it to choose between two or more different adaptational-complexes that have the same or closely comparable outcomes. We have consciousness and a sense

[FRIAM] haldane — ethology

2020-06-30 Thread Prof David West
just came across this quote: “it is difficult to be sure how a rabbit feels at any time. Indeed many rabbits make no serious attempt to cooperate with scientists” (Haldane 1932). How do ethologists get past this issue? Is the bias against an interior "consciousness" simply pique because with r

Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

2020-06-27 Thread Prof David West
ay God it > remains that way. > > So let's plan to meet "on the other side.". > > You take care! > > Nick > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wor

[FRIAM] Nick Thompson

2020-06-27 Thread Prof David West
Nick, Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2. davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe h

Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

2020-06-22 Thread Prof David West
Nick, Copper kills virus on contact. There are masks sold with copper fibers woven into them and they are cited as effective by CDC. There are also gloves with copper fibers woven in, but they are not being touted because almost all attention is on droplet transmission, not surface. davew On

[FRIAM] paradigms, new and used

2020-06-22 Thread Prof David West
This is mostly directed to Steve G. and might be better taken off-line at some point. Some questions about the God-Science paradigm conflict. 1) Is there a 'conflict difference', even in degree, between religion and science and Institutionalized Science and Religion? it seems to me that a lot

[FRIAM] freewill gedankenexperiment

2020-06-17 Thread Prof David West
Imagine you are in a spaceship. You have a main thruster and two pairs of opposed lateral thrusters. All thrusters have limited fuel supplies, preventing perpetual use. Other than that, you may activate any thruster, alone or in combination for any duration up to the limit of the fuel supply. C

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-17 Thread Prof David West
Some historians would argue that Washington was the 8th President of the US. The other seven, beginning with John Hanson, were Presidents under the authority of the Articles of Confederation that established the US as a political entity prior to the drafting and adoption of the Constitution. Wa

Re: [FRIAM] consciousness conundrum

2020-06-16 Thread Prof David West
Hey Nick, you just re-conceived and articulated, very briefly, Minsky's Society of Mind. davew On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, at 9:55 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Glen has lumbered me down with an obligation to steelman every idea I find > absurd, and so I feel obligated to try with this absurd

[FRIAM] consciousness conundrum

2020-06-15 Thread Prof David West
Few of you will have heard of a K-Hole. It is an experience reported by users of Special-K (ketamine) in high doses. The most common description of the experience is "ego death." Electroencephalographs record a "complete" cessation of brain activity for several minutes and it appears that the "

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Prof David West
u.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:16 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response > > Frank, > > I think the point of the herbalist is not that a h

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Prof David West
> > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:16 P

Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Prof David West
Bruce? Did he make it across? > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David Wes

[FRIAM] alternative response

2020-06-14 Thread Prof David West
My time in Amsterdam put me dead center in the Vegan / Vegetarian / Herbal / Alternative Medicine community, with whom I still correspond. I received this book and a strong recommendation from them. Most of the people in that community are following the ideas in the book and claim high effective

Re: [FRIAM] tactics and strategy - from vFRIAM 6/12 - attention glen

2020-06-12 Thread Prof David West
Tao, or Buddha are > not so easy to make look silly ... maybe because those concepts simply > aren't silly. And a Jesuit conception of the Catholic Trinity is, > arguably, similar. But it takes almost zero work to show how silly the > Fundamentalists are. So, again, the strateg

[FRIAM] words, word attributes, meaning

2020-06-12 Thread Prof David West
On Wednesday (if I recall the day correctly) Merle posted a message about the #stopSTEM and related calls for academia, especially in the STEM disciplines to reflect on system racism within those fields. At vFRIAM today the "official" definition of 'racism' and the contrast of official versus v

[FRIAM] tactics and strategy - from vFRIAM 6/12 - attention glen

2020-06-12 Thread Prof David West
context: near the end of vFRIAM, SteveG argued that Science's denigration and dismissal of God and religious sensibilities in general was both arrogant (on the part of Science) and divisive / counter-productive. In an attempt to steelman SteveG's position I generalized the argument and made the

Re: [FRIAM] Practical Covid Guidlines

2020-06-11 Thread Prof David West
> > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 1:45 PM Prof David West wrote: >> __ >> I was going to make a separate post this morning claiming that my June 15th >>

Re: [FRIAM] Thoughts on the Floyd protests

2020-06-11 Thread Prof David West
t, where were they then? Perhaps they are only >> interested in protecting a particular class of people? ... or only people >> with whom they agree politically? >>   >> As for the cop in the photo, she should at least be suspended for her stupid >> mistake. D

Re: [FRIAM] Practical Covid Guidlines

2020-06-11 Thread Prof David West
I was going to make a separate post this morning claiming that my June 15th prediction had been realized. The 'straw' was 19 Governor's of states with rising rates, stated that restrictions would continue to be lifted on schedule and the rise in rates could be handled. All said there would be no

Re: [FRIAM] Thoughts on the Floyd protests

2020-06-10 Thread Prof David West
downside is the private militias that Jon mentioned. just like the military that replaces soldiers with private contractors - to whom are the latter accountable? On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Of all public services that one is about last on my list. > For officers

Re: [FRIAM] chicken-egg::gumflap-talk

2020-06-08 Thread Prof David West
The following comment is a reaction to something said earlier about speaker--respondent connection ( or my misreading thereof) and what glen and marcus are speaking about now (or my misreading thereof). It seems that there must be a whole, call it a Story, that aggregates and integrates parts,

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-06 Thread Prof David West
glen and steve, Nick made me do it. He asked the question. And I made the mistake or pretty much answering him, not the group as a whole with my ** written ** response. As noted in my apology to Russ, the general tenor of the paragraphs reflected the mood/tone and the mindset of those at the Mo

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-06 Thread Prof David West
e end justifies any means > * Declaring holy war > > Point 3, the longing for a mythic past or an end time, might be related to > what you mean by "millenarianism". Kimball's book was written shortly after > 9/11 when people tried to understand the connection between r

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-06 Thread Prof David West
>>> >>> Nicholas Thompson >>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>> Clark University >>> ThompNickSon2@gmail.com >>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>> >>>

[FRIAM] millenarianism

2020-06-05 Thread Prof David West
I was asked some questions just as I was leaving vFRIAM today. The following is a continuation of the thoughts that i started to articulate then. I can pretty much predict that no one will agree with my observations, but hope that vituperation will be kept to a minimum. My last year at St. Thom

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