[FRIAM] scaffolding, replacement, and adaptive simulation

abstraction? I was thinking someone did something like this with TranSims at one point; but I can't find anything. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a

Re: [FRIAM] emergence, again

that they conflict with one of the basic axioms of mathematics. But both assumptions are mistaken and the attack is groundless. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] emergence, again

system of equations has a unique solution. (If we assume the foundation axiom instead, as in the usual math, that's not true.) But the AFA can be stated as: a set can contain itself as its only element, which is the simplest form of the circularity issue broached by Nick. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971

Re: [FRIAM] The Unreasonable Reverence of The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in theNatural Sciences

back, and wonder why we were so enamored with it before... and many of us will even poke fun of and deride those people who still find it useful. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] The Unreasonable Reverence of The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in theNatural Sciences

. At the end of the day, a good maxim is the ancient aphorism: Know ten things, say nine. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St

Re: [FRIAM] The unreasonable Effectiveness of ABMs in ComplexSystems

e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Invitation to Conversation/Discussion/Debate

places and require attention at different times. If the above discussion is irrelevant to what you intended, then please elaborate and clarify! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Obama sez: 1 year of higher education/career training.

://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

. A linearized engineering process is usually be good enough, at least within the domains of engineered devices like bridges or computers. But we've seen that natural systems don't succumb as easily to solutions built with linearized methods, which is why agile methods are so popular these days. -- glen e

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

, repeatable, and communicable decision making processes. It sounds more like you merely require others to use _your_ formalized, repeatable, communicable process. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Homeostasis by Peer Review

of articles cover much of the same content, coefficients of friction were adjusted based on which region of rating space you were exploring at the time, colors (of the articles) change when your focus shifts from fact to speculation or physics to philosophy, etc. ... or not. -- glen e. p

Re: [FRIAM] Mann's hockey stick

science. But it's in science where we most often claim to be rational. In any case, I'd like to be able to discuss these topics in the concrete context of the anthropogenic global climate change hypothesis, especially before we falsify it, if we ever do. [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095

Re: [FRIAM] Mann's hockey stick

there are sociologists examining such processes. If I knew what to ask for, I'd be asking for that research instead. [grin] Chip: Thanks for the specific paper links. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com

[FRIAM] Mann's hockey stick

e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Slashdot | Canonical Close To $30M Critical Mass; Should Microsoft Worry?

choose is determined by what you intend to do with the machine. For myself, I tend to play around with my desktops a lot but leave my laptops alone. So, for my desktop, I choose Debian. For my laptops, I choose Ubuntu. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com

Re: [FRIAM] Art, Science Vice-versa

pretty weird Eddington-typewriter sort of text presumably analyzing (other people's) art. I don't understand any of it; but at least from a superficial level, it looks a _lot_ like what we see here and I wouldn't have it any other way! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based

Re: [FRIAM] what is math ... again (was Re: Fw: art and science)

Thus spake Russ Abbott circa 12/01/09 07:58 PM: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, glen e. p. ropella g...@agent-based-modeling.com wrote: I disagree. I think the emphasis on concepts is a peculiar form of anthropocentrism (or, at worst, narcissism ;-). An explicit and eminent concepts

[FRIAM] what is math ... again (was Re: Fw: art and science)

inferential/reasoned activities (like accounting, manufacturing, falsification), and those people proficient in one but not the other. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] what is math ... again (was Re: Fw: art and science)

and the symbols are Yang. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

, drone is a role, not type. Brilliant people can act as drones just by acting outside their field of expertise.) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] Classification of ABM's

define agent.) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which agent-based model is most fundamental?

methods, we can begin to assert where each method is _most_ useful. And where a method is most useful and other methods are least useful, then we can say that that most useful method is fundamental to that domain. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which agent-based model is most fundamental?

of) pattern(s) will go away if that assumption changes. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

[FRIAM] The impact of snark on reproducibility

malice where incompetence will suffice.) On the other hand, many are. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College

Re: [FRIAM] The impact of snark on reproducibility

for the realization to land. Not that I know anything about that, mind you ... I'm just yapping ... [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

Javascript (i.e. a command-line version like Rhino) Groovy BeanShell/PNuts (java interpreters with nifty add on features) .. suggestions? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

spend time rewriting everything from scratch just so I can have it in a particular language. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

the old stuff and buy brand new stuff (usually made in China). The hip and trendy fads are great for preoccupying the teenager's (or politician's) mind; but for any serious work, one should consider as much historical context as possible in order to make wise decisions in the present. -- glen e. p

[FRIAM] The Reasoning Club

I thought, perhaps the SfComplex might be interested: http://www.kent.ac.uk/secl/philosophy/jw/reasoning/club/ -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] Wimsatt and robustness

is that this latter sense of robustness includes false memes that take hold and persist despite being proved false or overly simplistic. So a vigorously robust belief (like flying spaghetti monsters or gravitons) need not be true. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Airline fee

mouseover? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Adobe Alchemy

Thus spake Saul Caganoff circa 11/20/2008 04:01 PM: Hmmm c/c++ into actionscript. Is this gold into lead or lead into gold? Prolly more like turkeys into chickens. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Dictionary definitions

. It is progressive. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8

separate legal contracts from religious ceremonies and purge marriage from the law entirely. It should be in the exact same category as baptism. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8

of marriage completely, for everyone. This would include legalizing poly[gamy|andry]. If 2, 3, or N people want to enter into a contract that involves household assets and medical power of attorney, then so be it. But leave your religion at the threshold of the courthouse. -- glen e. p

Re: [FRIAM] Election: Why So Close

decisions? What is it about dichotomy (usually false) that helps us cognitively? ... especially to make the transition from thought to action? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Election: Why So Close

an average moron like me supposed to do, here? Do I vote for it or not? In the end, I resorted to my old tactic of not voting for things I don't understand, especially one's that amend constitutions and require the government to spend more money than they already do. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095

Re: [FRIAM] Election: Why So Close

) properties of circumstances where habit is clearly best ... or where in-depth analysis is clearly best? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St

Re: [FRIAM] Election: Why So Close

Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/31/2008 05:15 PM: It is if you are my shill, sitting out there in the audience amongst all the rubes. I live to serve! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] The true crisis is still to come

and focus solely on peak oil and the origins of oil... for now, anyway.) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud Computing?

done this, I'd appreciate any pointers to make the work easier. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Blinded By Science - When models FAIL taking all the humans

Thus spake peter circa 10/18/2008 07:26 PM: glen e. p. ropella wrote: Peter? Did you ever get a chance to dig up some names of these complexity science geniuses? Lets see how accurate these names are and when they get their subpoenas Rothman / Kearns / Goldberg / Cushing / Jessop

Re: [FRIAM] Selection, Reproductive rate, and Karrying Kapacity.

selection. It may change the nature of selection from tracking how well individuals can make use of limited resources to how fast they can reproduce when times are flush, but there is no reason to think that raising the carrying capacity should relax selection. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/09/2008 04:48 AM: Right, but totally inconsistent with your first statement just hire an expert. You must be confusing me with someone else. I've been arguing _against_ just hire an expert the whole time. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http

Re: [FRIAM] Not a bad idea

voice. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

. But just because a statement is true doesn't mean it's sound ... i.e. backed up by data taken from reality. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] Origami metaphor (Level b)

help explain Wittgenstein's position, I don't think. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

like Monopoly or Chess. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

) with what you promise. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] Willful Ignorance

, half-insane) systems theory people out there who've been ranting about this sort of accumulation, eh? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe

[FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

result in a brain drain where all the people at risk for being drafted move to Canada or something to avoid being forced to play President. ;-) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

certainly would not recommend drafting a person born, reared, and living in Milwaukie to make decisions about Los Angeles' septic system, because that increases the chances that externalities will be ignored (because the decision maker is out of context, abstracted, ignorant). -- glen e. p

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

own dog food. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 04:33 PM: glen e. p. ropella wrote: This abstraction away from the fully embedded _human_ to idealistic skill sets is the problem. It's what leads us to hire experts and then remove them from their proper context and place them in positions where

Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E

Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/05/2008 12:07 PM: glen e. p. ropella wrote: Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/05/2008 11:07 AM: You want to talk about willful ignorance? Take a good look around you. Exactly. The trick is: What can we do about it? Hmm, Chelsea Clinton

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

question at all. We ask this question every time we study a system... even if that particular system (e.g. a pendulum) has been studied ad nauseam. So, that makes me think my paraphrase of what you're asking is wrong. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Bernanke's Financial Modeling Technology

and listening to their gut. You gotta give them that much credit. We may not avert crises; but, we might soften them considerably. NPC: a, b, and d are satisfied. (c) might be a stretch. [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

[FRIAM] false dichotomy (was Re: Economic Disequilibrium ...)

towards hubris and posturing. [grin] Sorry for the interruption. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

chose not to learn those skills as thoroughly as I chose to learn other skills. When I think of (2) type envy, I wish I were born, like, 100 years from now so I wouldn't have to work so [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#$%# hard to VV a computer model. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

that position very well. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

to achieve a compilation failure (or a run-time failure in the case of dynamic languages) for throwing a ball. I.e. there is no correct (especially syntactically correct) way to throw a ball. Likewise, there is no incorrect way to throw a ball. But there are [in]correct programs. -- glen e. p

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

. Python is a formal system and correct programs written in Python are valid mathematical transformations (deductions) from initial to final conditions. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

is happening in the real world is so much more important The quicker we realize that the raison d'etre of the digital world is to improve the quality of life and include some moral directives in our work based in reality the more we will be able to sleep at night -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846

Re: [FRIAM] Reductionism - was: Young but distant gallaxies

a perfect way of saying it, I think. All zealotry is hand-waving. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

the basic sentiment but not the value judgments of good or bad. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

a reductionist and nobody's actually a holist. We just like to pidgeon-hole people and their statements because it makes our lives easier. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

you'd be willing to clarify that for me? Thanks. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, functional entailments

to entails just for a linguistic parallax. One might also use specifies, requires, imposes, etc. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

, people just call me a silly person and walk away. [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

with holes in them. And one particular function of such concrete objects is to fasten separate things together. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

representation of the button to know what's there and what's missing. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

underneath. There's always a way to successfully break the rules, to reinterpret/remanipulate the situation to one's benefit. So, while it's reasonable to say reality is math, it is not reasonable to say reality is a formal system. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

use math to show how a small formal system is grounded in a larger one (and that larger one is grounded in yet another larger one, etc). So math is not only the formal systems, but also the language in which we describe relations between formal systems. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

we could think of this relational structure as a graph, the fact that the graph might change based on aspect without damaging the math involved makes it even clearer. Then again, I've got a head cold at the moment. [grin] So, what I think is clear might well be confused. -- glen e. p. ropella

Re: [FRIAM] an interesting quote

in our premature conclusion that reality contains ambiguity, then that's further justification for thinking that the GIT has a real correlate ... i.e. that the GIT impacts science.) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Confessions of a Mathemechanic.

, is the greatest good of man, and that the unexamined life is not worth living, you are still less likely to believe me. Yet I say what is true, although a thing of which it is hard for me to persuade you. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

[FRIAM] progress v. drift

. Are the achievements quantifiable? Most definitely not. In any case, I feel the pressure to shut up for awhile. [grin] So, I will comply. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Digest, Vol 61, Issue 16

, neither the physical self nor this endo-self are less real than the other. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

as to whether or not novelty and creation are related. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

is a convenient fiction that facilitates our real interactions. Sorry for not being clear. Perhaps the above will help. 8-) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Life - Comments on Gregory Chaitin Lectures Sweden 2005

amongst those who use them as jargon they still fully decode them into context when they interact with the real world. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Life - Comments on Gregory Chaitin Lectures Sweden 2005

are committed, pure, formalists who believe everything is susceptible to a computational (semantic-free) process. The rest of us admit that implicit and undeclarable knowledge is part of the codec for any abstracted law. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

is rational or not is, I think, a red herring. Rationality is probably a convenient fiction. Going back to the original point, I maintain that both the act of creation and the act of making occur within what I call sensory-motor interactions, not somehow beyond or behind them. -- glen e. p. ropella

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Life - Comments on Gregory Chaitin Lectures Sweden 2005

claim that we have strong evidence that the codec can be explicitly declared. We can only hope. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

being used). So, I'm in the odd position of having to agree with the beginning of your argument, disagree with the middle, and agree with the end. [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

.). And since we cannot have a clear idea what's behind the elements of SMI, my claim is that reality _is_ what's in SMI. And, hence, reality is calculable and nameable, at least to the extent to which we're concerned with reality. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

. And that means that the implementations are _more_ exact than the story. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

of our mathematical constructs in capturing paradox), which means I'll have to disagree with Dave in my next message. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

language when a more refined language is called for is also a real barrier to progress... progress defined as: the evolution of a domain from general to special, coarse to fine. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

them of consumption. Yet, an experiment can be devised to (for the most part) falsify that hypothesis. So, science can be done without mathematics. But it is _coarse_ science. To be refined (or complete), you definitely need math. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

.com/drafts/Hidden-Life.pdf More theory http://www.synapse9.com/drafts/SciMan-2Draft.pdf No. I will, though. Thanks for pushing my thinking and yours, but we should shorten a bit. I agree. Thanks for the dialog. It's time to rest. [grin] -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

the change is wy too big to avoid? Well, then agility is the key. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com There is nothing as permanent as a temporary government program. -- Milton Friedman FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

the resources to create and maintain lots of huge models. Hence, agility is the key. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

Re: [FRIAM] On Rosen, On Donder, On Blitzen

catastrophic change, thereby denying that commitment to one particular model is an _effective_ tactic. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com We are drowning in information, while starving for wisdom. -- E.O. Wilson

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

a) that it's actually an abuse ... no sense accusing someone if there's doubt and b) make them relevant to this e-mail list. Give me some time to do a little of that work and I'll get back to you. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

is at no disadvantage here, again. It would be interesting to augment MR systems with some reasonably accurate formulation of evolution. - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com Almost nobody dances sober, unless they happen to be insane. -- H. P. Lovecraft -BEGIN PGP

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

that emerges is completely abstracted from the original medium of interaction (the actual physics). Ultimately, whether such a ladder of abstraction is _completely_ closed or not is a matter of faith or philosophy. Is there a bottom turtle or not? - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

be realized, emphasizing that the recursion theorem is crucial to such a realization. Do I have it right? - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com If a man can't piss in his own front yard, he's living too close to town. -- Tom Russell -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

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