Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-23 Thread sarbajit roy
Conan O’Brien slams Arizona racists with Pac-Man 30th anniversary joke http://www.beatweek.com/news/6187-conan-obrien-slams-arizona-racists-with-pac-man-30th-anniversary-joke/ May 22, 2010 Conan O’Brien used today’s thirtieth anniversary of the Pac-Man arcade game to poke fun at the white

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-09 07:39 AM: Reading the text of the bill: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf I see no statute that entitles a show me your papers demand unless it is in the course of investigation of a crime. The straw man argument that police in

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread Russell Gonnering
Glen- You are viewing reality through your own terministic screen, as do all of us. We seem to be using a different definition of complexity. Mine is in line with the Stacey diagram of agreement/certainty or the Cynefin Framework of Snowden that deals with cause and effect. Perhaps therein

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-10 02:02 PM: We seem to be using a different definition of complexity. Mine is in line with the Stacey diagram of agreement/certainty or the Cynefin Framework of Snowden that deals with cause and effect. Perhaps therein lies the difficulty, and why I see

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: Russell Gonnering rsgonneri...@mac.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/10/2010 3:03:17 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Glen- You are viewing reality through your own terministic screen, as do all of us. We seem

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread Russell Gonnering
Glenn- It would be refreshing to find a venue in which my definition of complexity (and the one described by Snowden, Stacey, Arthur, etc.) can be discussed. Interconnectivity and interwoven things are present in complicated and even simple systems as well. The difference is in how cause

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-10 03:36 PM: It would be refreshing to find a venue in which my definition of complexity (and the one described by Snowden, Stacey, Arthur, etc.) can be discussed. Interconnectivity and interwoven things are present in complicated and even simple systems as

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread Russell Gonnering
Glen- Why are you so sure you know what is in other people's minds? Your continual use of the annotated point-for-point refutation of why I am wrong and you are right just proves the point, doesn't it? Reductionism a a wonderful tool, for the complicated. But the complex is something

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-10 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-10 04:56 PM: Why are you so sure you know what is in other people's minds? Your continual use of the annotated point-for-point refutation of why I am wrong and you are right just proves the point, doesn't it? I'm neither sure what's in others' minds, nor am

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: 5/8/2010 9:24:17 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Nicely said. It does seem to me that the nation itself is waiting for the immigration reform that should naturally be coming from the grid-locked congress/senate. I hope Arizona forces us to act in unity. Its

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Russell Gonnering
Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] - Original Message - From: Owen Densmore To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 5/8/2

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/9/2010 8:40:08 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Nick- Please cite the facts that support your contention re the Arizona law empowering the police to ask for papers if you just happen to look Mexican and the source of the heavy

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Russell Gonnering
/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Russell Gonnering rsgonneri...@mac.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/9/2010 8:40:08 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Robert Holmes
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Nick- Please cite the facts that support your contention re the Arizona law empowering the police to ask for papers if you just happen to look Mexican and the source of the heavy weapons flowing to Mexico. The idea that the types

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Robert Holmes
PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Nicely said. It does seem to me that the nation itself is waiting for the immigration reform that should naturally be coming from the grid-locked congress/senate. I hope Arizona forces us to act in unity. Its fine

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-09 Thread Chris Feola
, May 09, 2010 12:13 PM To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community Russ, Nick, Here is the relevant part of the Arizona Senate Bill 1070 http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: It's not Arizona. Arizona was simply the first state to have the guts to act. More than 50% of Americans apparently approve the Arizona law. We should boycott the entire country--except perhaps enclaves like Sante Fe (?)

Re: [FRIAM] Arizona meets the Facebook community

2010-05-08 Thread Owen Densmore
Nicely said. It does seem to me that the nation itself is waiting for the immigration reform that should naturally be coming from the grid- locked congress/senate. I hope Arizona forces us to act in unity. Its fine to revert to don't ask, don't tell but it's dishonest. Clearly the endgame