Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-08 Thread Merle Lefkoff
We're all implicated, Owen. On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > >> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/08/blamin >> g-fake-news-not-the-answer-democracy-crisis >> >> --

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-08 Thread Owen Densmore
> > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen > Densmore > *Sent:* Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:09 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair > >

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
ignorance could get you humiliated in public and without mercy, over and over. Marcus From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Nick Thompson
net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:09 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
Which decisions, exactly? From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:09 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair All those who were outside t

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Owen Densmore
e > *Sent:* Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:38 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > > https://www.the

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Roger

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Owen Densmore
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/08/ > blaming-fake-news-not-the-answer-democracy-crisis > > -- rec -- > ​Amen! ​Democracy may or may not be drowning in fake news, but it’s definitely drowning in elite

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 8:59 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair There's no need for a he/she, Owen.

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Merle Lefkoff
There's no need for a he/she, Owen. The term has no relevance when talking about the presidency. On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Clearly you need to attend to Kissinger and Bremmer. > > In terms of Russia, Kissinger's analysis of the Nation State

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Merle Lefkoff
It starts at home, Owen, but if it only stays at home it isn't enough. On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I realized too late that my reference to the number of Damns one has may > not have been clear. From an earlier post: > > BTW: I realize I've

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Jochen Fromm
tp://neveragain.tech -J. Original message From: John Dobson <jmdobs...@gmail.com> Date: 1/7/17 19:41 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair My son who works for Google explained

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread John Dobson
My son who works for Google explained why the tech CEOs met with Trump. The general rule out there is that you always "take the meeting." Taking the meeting in no way obligates you to do anything as a result of the meeting, but it does give you more information about the topics discussed at the

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
ay Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair Clearly you need to attend to Kissinger and Bremmer. In terms of Russia, Kissinger's analysis of the Nation State suggests we have been far too shallow. There are very good reasons for the Russian people to feel e

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Owen Densmore
I realized too late that my reference to the number of Damns one has may not have been clear. From an earlier post: BTW: I realize I've posted this in the past, and my version of it uses s/ fuck/damn/. But I've only got a limited number of Damn's to give, and the fewer, the stronger.

Re: [FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Owen Densmore
Clearly you need to attend to Kissinger and Bremmer. In terms of Russia, Kissinger's analysis of the Nation State suggests we have been far too shallow. There are very good reasons for the Russian people to feel exposed by the west's encroachment, and why they approve of Putin to the degree they

[FRIAM] Hope or Despair

2017-01-07 Thread Jochen Fromm
Many scientists and journalists feel desperate now that Mr. T-Rump will rule the world, especially climate scientists like Eric Holthaushttps://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/817503888500633600 What are we going to do, hope or despair, resist or surrender? I'm not sure if we are heading

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-10 Thread glen
On 10/07/2016 05:37 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > One the one hand, I believe that intentional education by any neighborhood is > probably better than education that as seen as inflicted the families of the > neighborhood, if only because of the placebo effect. On the other hand, all > the

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-08 Thread Nick Thompson
m-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Dobson Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 12:11 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope? Nick, You inquired about the relative populations of states in 1824. Actually, Ohio's population was

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-08 Thread John Dobson
---Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen? > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 12:04 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hope? > > > > Thanks for the s

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-07 Thread Nick Thompson
University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen? Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 12:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-07 Thread ┣glen┫
Thanks for the story! I was aware, but only barely, in the context free way that's so common these days. On 10/05/2016 04:18 PM, John Dobson wrote: > I assume you guys all know about the only time the election has been thrown > into the House. It was 1824 when there were four candidates who

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-05 Thread John Dobson
I assume you guys all know about the only time the election has been thrown into the House. It was 1824 when there were four candidates who won electoral votes, although Andrew Jackson had a pretty large plurality of the popular vote. John Quincy Adams bitterly hated Jackson and assumed

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-05 Thread Eric Charles
"all this assumes that the debates have any real impact." Well, yes... but not in the same way one would assume it would work for the "major" party candidates. I suspect the opportunity offered to a third party candidate (for good or ill) by being on the debate stage is much more than for the

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-05 Thread glen ☣
On 10/03/2016 05:18 PM, Robert Wall wrote: If they are not in those debates, it is argued that it is near-impossible for them to win much in the Electoral College. Of course, all this assumes that the debates have any real impact. I think most of the evidence shows the 1st debate mattered

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
hey man I can down a beer get to level 10 in pokemon, and (eventually) make it to wedtech :P Plus the wedtech rants and raves are at least interesting Choosing between a dysfunctional robot or neurotic robot is a little less so On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:22 AM, cody dooderson

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-04 Thread cody dooderson
If Glen is talking about what I think he is. It takes me roughly 14 hours, after eating an enchilada, to get a homogeneous result from my simulation of this year's election, but I have a particularly slow moving large intestine. Cody Smith On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Steven A Smith

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Steven A Smith
no shit sherlock! what a great phrase in an auspicious time? On 10/3/16 5:29 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I liked the point as made by this post: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/28/debate-nights-biggest-lie-was-told-by-lester-holt/ But even if we admit that the only purpose for the peripheral

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I love the deep ambiguity and late binding of what you just said here! - Steve On 10/3/16 1:23 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I just optimized our code so that drug moving from the heterogeneous lobule into the well-mixed body compartment are converted from objects to integer counts. That cut

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Robert Wall
I often like *Counterpunch *for their opinion. And they make an excellent point here , as you say, Glen. My contention for who should be in the presidential debates is that perhaps notwithstanding the

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Robert Wall
Hi Frank, I should have used scare quotes. Sorry. It is difficult to get your tongue in cheek to show enough in a forum post. [image: Inline image 1]  On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Gary Johnson is not plausible. Didn't 538 say his odds were

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread glen ☣
I liked the point as made by this post: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/28/debate-nights-biggest-lie-was-told-by-lester-holt/ But even if we admit that the only purpose for the peripheral candidates is to influence the actual candidates, we still have an argument for allowing them to

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
Gary Johnson is not plausible. Didn't 538 say his odds were 2 in 100? Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Oct 3, 2016 5:05 PM, "Robert Wall" wrote: > Thanks, Glen. Quite interesting. > > This simulation ensemble conducted by *FiveThirtyEight *gives some >

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread Robert Wall
Thanks, Glen. Quite interesting. This simulation ensemble conducted by *FiveThirtyEight *gives some plausibility to New Mexico becoming the new Florida with Gary Johnson--not Jill Stein--playing the part of Ralph Nader. It also gives some non-zero plausibility to Gary Johnson becoming the next

[FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-03 Thread glen ☣
Election Update: The Craziest End To The 2016 Campaign Runs Through New Mexico http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-craziest-end-to-the-2016-campaign-runs-through-new-mexico/ "In 20,000 simulations of our polls-only model this morning, cases in which neither Clinton nor Trump