To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8
In response to Phil Henshaw, briefly, I believe there still remains a place
for civil marriage -- that marriage has taken on a non-religious place in
most people's hearts, sort of like Christmas trees and Christmas carols. It
speaks of love
Christopher J. Feola
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Of peggy miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:51 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8
In response to Phil
To return to the original question, I recall a discussion right after the
election that said (as a previous writer pointed out) that the black
community strongly supported Prop 8. The increased black vote for Obama
helped Prop 8 as well. In fact--although I don't remember the exact
Thus spake peggy miller circa 11/11/2008 08:07 AM:
Related to the issue of legalizing gay marriage, I think it is extremely
important to stick with the Webster definition of marriage -- which includes
to unite in a close personal way: AND a legal union as husband and wife
-- I think if two
Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 11/11/2008 09:12 AM:
It's not really about definitions,
That was precisely my point.
However, the law _is_ about definitions (though the purpose of the law
is not about definitions). Hence, my preferred solution regarding the
law would be to eliminate the concept
, is the way to sort
things out.
Phil Henshaw
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Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8
This is clearly a civil rights issue. But unfortunately, I think that some
of the black community and some of the Hispanic community voted for Prop. 8
reflecting some of their less progressive traditional values, in spite of their
strong turn out for Obama. Prop. 8 is probably
On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
...
In my opinion this is not a marriage issue, it is a civil rights
issue.
And there you have the problem in a nutshell. Gay marriage
confounds the two.
One the one hand, the word marriage creates considerable angst on
gay issues
Consider also the relligions that have.supported and do sanctify
same-sex marriages, without regard for, indeed in spite of, the legal
status of such unions, e.g. the Meetings of Friends (Quakers).
On 11/9/08, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Orlando
Doug --
I'm not questioning your experience, but you seem to assert that dissent in
the LDS is impossible.
Yet Google found 37,500 results for a search on prop 8 lds dissent when I
searched, after reading your first reply, to see if I had misundertood what
I was talking about.
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On
Owen,
In my opinion the word marriage should not be removed. I believe that
civil marriage should be available to all consenting adults. Various
religions can then do as they please. If, in fact, this is a civil
rights (constitutional) issue then religions that violate civil
liberties
I don't know, Doug, why don't you read this Salt Lake Tribune story about
dissent within the LDS, and tell me who's making snap decisions based on
doctrine.
http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_10797630
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Douglas Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
I don't know,
Hey, Roger.
I lived up there near SLC for three years, right in the heart of Mormon
country. I actually know quite a bit about their beliefs and practices --
both the good and the bad.
For those interested in an excellent in-depth book on the history of the
Mormon religion, I recommend Under
I think someone should contribute $30,000,000 to foment a schism in the
Church of the Latter Day Saints based on their internal conflicts on this
issue.
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Orlando Leibovitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Owen,
In my opinion the word marriage should not be
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