Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I worked at CMU for 20 years. When I moved to Santa Fe it occurred to me that a branch campus in Santa Fe might be a possibility. CMU's strongest programs and in engineering and science (not surprisingly) and fine arts (perhaps surprising to some) but with growing excellence in humanities and

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Nick writes: “People have kids because they have hopes; people with more fears than hopes, probably don’t have kids.” Ed writes: “It seems we who have benefited either directly or indirectly from the welfare that has supported the labs in NM should feel some responsibility to help the 75% of

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Nick writes: < In other words, are the ills you identify inherent to all human institutions, or really only inherent to government ones. Would it be better if CMU put a campus here? > Why would CMU do that unless it was to 1) have a pool of experienced people to hire, or 2) attach to

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:48 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of Marcus Daniels > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:09 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends Ed writes: “For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely the poi

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Merle, et al - Though I reject most of the extreme arguments I hear on both sides of this issue, my instinct is that it would be better if Santa Fe did NOT invite LANL/NNSA into the development of this critical/central/prime location in the heart of *greater* Santa Fe.   I've been living in a

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Ed writes: “For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely the points we agree on.” Why people have kids when then have no means to support them continues to baffle me. Los Alamos was

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I agree with your observations. The problem is that your fix is exactly what is happening with our best students. They leave. For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely the points we

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Ed writes: “In area in which I’ve worked, there have been large expensive projects at the labs, the quality has been mediocre and the labs are almost totally unrepresented in open conferences and journals. A related issue is that the cost of doing science at the labs is ridiculously high,

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<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:43 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside S

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

am mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on > behalf of Frank Wimberly mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Compl

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Defense is already privatized. Contract military forces are just about equal in number to those in uniform. Contractors are supposedly in support rather than combat roles but the distinction is actual only within the US borders. Offshore, the distinction is a non-distinction. IMO - if

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

The only sure way to stop a bully is by force. There are a lot of ways to do that. The weapons labs focus on one. Mostly, the private sector ends-up developing others. It is a conspicuous difference. It is not so far- fetched to me to imagine a future where defense is further privatized,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to* get away with* attacking anyone. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

How about Donald Trump? Lets face it, we are pretty much rolling the dice here. Marcus On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:03 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:  North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust them to be as moral as you are? I had a dream last night about being

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust > them to be as moral as you are? > > I had a dream last night about

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust them to be as moral as you are? I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians. When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir:

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Sorry, George. There's a bigger picture here. I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more). But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

I often worry that I'm morally compromised. Nuclear weapons are, I think, analogous to human germline engineering. On the one hand, it *seems* rightly taboo. But on the other hand, we all *know* someone, somewhere, sometime, will be less inclined to consider the consequences of their actions

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Merle writes: “I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.” I worked at LANL for more than a decade. I think it is a unique organization that has a lot of great people. If you want to find a prototype for your flawed person template, I’m a perfect fit. Maybe even better

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > < There are many powerful

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

k...@gmail.com> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Monday, January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

, 2020 at 8:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate. I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe

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: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 > outside SF City Hall; bring friends > > > > In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in > plasma physic

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

of Frank Wimberly Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends In Pittsburgh I worked

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Oh, Gosh, Merle. Not sure I’m on your side on this one. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics. When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare. He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$. Highest in the US? I am aware of many projects

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. > I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy,