Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?
On Jul 4, 10:32 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 4, 2009, at 5:48 PM, joplinfan wrote: I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250... both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know? No taping required for any PCI cards, but PCI cards are really NOT the way to go. You want an AGP card in your MDD that supports both Quartz Extreme (QE) and Core Image (CI). No PCI cards support QE CI without using PCI Extreme 3.1 and a hacked ROM for CI support. The bandwidth of PCI is 1/2 AGP. This means any AGPx4 card will have 8x the available throughput of any PCI card. If you're using Tiger or Leopard, forget about the PCI cards and get a nice AGP card. You can flash PC AGP cards if you need cheap. It is possible to flash some PCI cards and have both Quartz Extreme Core Image. No need for PCI extreme or special hacks. I'm running a BW machine upgraded to G4 600 Mhz. It's got a flashed Nvidia 5500 PCI card. I'm running Tiger and the Mac OS sees it as a native Mac Graphic card with QE Core Image. The other nice thing is the BW has one high speed 2x PCI slot for graphics cards is equal to a 2X AGP slot I'm told. The Yikes G4 machine may also have this high speed PCI slot. This is a great solution for the BW possible the Yikes machines. Kris is right an AGP card is a better solution for any machine with an AGP slot. A number of PCI cards can be flashed and run fine with QE CI but are way slower then AGP cards in any machine except the two with fast PCI slots. I know the 6200 cards are being ran by many people as well and I seem to remember the 9250 work also. So if you already have the cards may as well give them a try. Chances are they will work fine just a bit slower then AGP. Depending on what you are using your machine for you maybe happy with them. Some PCI slots are designed slightly different so make sure the card you want to use will fit in the slot in your machine. As already mentioned no need to tape PCI cards. The first card I bought didn't fit the slot in my machine. I had thought that all PCI slots were standard but there are at least two types. The cards look the same but side by side you will see they have a slot/space between the pins on the card which is in a different place for different type slots. There is no marking or name difference for the different slots as far as I can tell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
Stephen Conrad wrote: On 7/4/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: 50% would be an absurd amount. A percentage value isn't relevant, the amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what programs are open. A better figure is to not let free space drop below about 5Gb. Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine 4.67 GB for Mac OS X 896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to storage) 6Gb is REAL tight for OS X. To make it work you need to install it without all the extras or remove them later. Extras as in un-needed printer drivers, languages and probably certain applications. Garage band for example is just plain huge for example. I don't recall what OS you are using but you can trim out quit a bit. Depending on what you cut out and what version of the OS you can get it down to about 2Gb (I can't recall if that's with or without the Application folder). But your best solution is to get a bigger drive. A 20 Gb drive is usually plenty of room as long as you don't have any heavy data storage (video for example). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Will S wrote: It is possible to flash some PCI cards and have both Quartz Extreme Core Image. No need for PCI extreme or special hacks. I'm running a BW machine upgraded to G4 600 Mhz. It's got a flashed Nvidia 5500 PCI card. I'm running Tiger and the Mac OS sees it as a native Mac Graphic card with QE Core Image. I don't believe this is true. Quartz extreme is excluded on ALL PCI cards unless the system is patched, which is something you can do manually, or by using PCI Extreme. There may be some Mac ROMs for flashed PC cards that will enable Core Image without needing any other patching, but these ROMs are hacks and not anything normal. I've read that PCI cards which do support Core Image are so slow that it's basically useless as an effect, so the difference between a PCI card and an AGP card is night day. Get the AGP for certain and sell the PCI cards if you have them to buy the AGP. Also, I believe the nVidia FX5200/5500 is almost the ONLY PCI card to support Core Image? Perhaps there's one ATI card also? You can read a little more about the nVidia PCI cards here, but I don't think this is a realistic upgrade path if you have a 4x AGP slot available: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Mac_PCI_FX5200/mac_PCI_FX5200.html The other nice thing is the BW has one high speed 2x PCI slot for graphics cards is equal to a 2X AGP slot I'm told. No, this is the equivalent of a 1x AGP slot. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?
On 4/7/09 23:48, joplinfan kawni...@cableone.net wrote: Hi all, I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250... both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know? Thanks, Steve No taping required but you've picked two problematical cards - the agp 6200 is well known for it's dislike of MDD towers - works ok for the rest of the mac line but not recommended for MDD - pci may be ok - it's a try it and see... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/compatibility There was no 9250 model for the mac so the 9200 rom has to be hacked with the 9250 DID and the flashed 9250 will show as a 9200. The vast majority of the 9200/9250 pc versions were 64 bit wide and the mac version was 128 bit. If your 9250 is 64 bit you will lose half the memory after the flash - so a 9250 128MB card becomes a 9200 64MB mac card and so on Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conradkhel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon) I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is down to 40.8 MB) I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up a little more space). What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less tabs open than before this ever happened. Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I rebooted the machine I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ I recommend you go to versiontracker.com and download a file manager utility that will look for duplicate files and other unneeded garbage. A file manger utility makes these searches MUCH less painful than opening the normal windows etc. FileDaemon is the one I like but there are others. You should also defrag. My guess is it is long overdue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conradkhel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon) I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is down to 40.8 MB) I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up a little more space). What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less tabs open than before this ever happened. Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I rebooted the machine I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ I recommend you go to versiontracker.com and download a file manager utility that will look for duplicate files and other unneeded garbage. A file manger utility makes these searches MUCH less painful than opening the normal windows etc. FileDaemon is the one I like but there are others. You should also defrag. My guess is it is long overdue. 6GB pretty much is the low end for running OSX. Get a bigger HD and copy the content from the 6GB with CCC to the new HD. Peter M. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Peterpeter1...@gmail.com wrote: 6GB pretty much is the low end for running OSX. Get a bigger HD and copy the content from the 6GB with CCC to the new HD. My sentiments exactly! Although ... before leaping into getting a bigger drive it might be wise to walk through what your options are. I say this because I'm just a lurker here. I have no direct experience with the hard drives used in older Macs. While it has been my experience that (especially in recent years) the hard drive has become one of the *most* standardized commodity components used in a computer, it's always better to take the measure twice, cut once route, no? Another question to consider is how much money are you willing to throw at this machine to get it to work better? $0? $10? $20? $30? ... et cetera ... FWIW, -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On 7/5/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Stephen Conrad wrote: On 7/4/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: 50% would be an absurd amount. A percentage value isn't relevant, the amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what programs are open. A better figure is to not let free space drop below about 5Gb. Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine 4.67 GB for Mac OS X 896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to storage) 6Gb is REAL tight for OS X. To make it work you need to install it without all the extras or remove them later. Extras as in un-needed printer drivers, languages and probably certain applications. Garage band for example is just plain huge for example. I don't run Garage band or anything like that. This is an old BW G3 (a Smurf, Rev. A MB) and this is the HD it came with. I don't recall what OS you are using but you can trim out quit a bit. Depending on what you cut out and what version of the OS you can get it down to about 2Gb (I can't recall if that's with or without the Application folder). I believe I did do some trimming back when I put OS X 10.2.8 on the HD (I originally had plain old OS X (10.0 and then 10.1 and then went up to 10.2.8). I did see 10.3 at the Goodwill Store where I work (in the back room, not on the sales floor) and if I can grab it I will since I did plan to one day take this HD out and put it in an external drive case, put a larger HD in this machine and put 10.3 on the new HD as I hear it is better than 10.2 But your best solution is to get a bigger drive. A 20 Gb drive is usually plenty of room as long as you don't have any heavy data storage (video for example). I only store text files and pics from sites like The Daily Kitten and even those eventually get taken off the main HD and stored elsewhere (usually a flash drive). -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
At 5:37 PM -0600 7/4/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD OS X 10.2.8 I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is down to 40.8 MB) Perhaps pages you visited were quite complex, causing the need for virtual memory to expand suddenly. Take a look with this command, issued in Terminal: ls -al /var/vm Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I rebooted the machine Boot into safe mode (shift key held down) then run a Verify Disk pass with Disk Utiliity again. If it still cannot complete then you may have a hardware problem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD Question
Look at the rear of the drives. Then look here: http://www.ufsexplorer.com/inf_connect_hdd.php Given the apparent age of the drives in question (a fast Google lookup shows none of 'em as currently available, hence they're older drives and not currently in production) I'd say it's dang near a certainty that at least the Samsung and the WD's are PATA. With no manufacturer mentioned on the generic, you'll have to verify that by looking at the connectors. HTH- Anna Stephen Conrad wrote: My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Are these PATA HDs? I want to buy a G4 from someone and he said they will work if they are PATA HDs (I want to add them to the G4) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD filling up issue
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Po-en Tsaipoen.t...@gmail.com wrote: Download the utility called 'Disk Inventory X' and run it on your OSX HDD. It will tell you what is taking up space on your computer, and where it is. Then you can delete whatever you dont need. Disk Inventory X: http://www.derlien.com/ Yes, but .. Disk Inventory X is a disk usage utility for Mac OS X 10.3 (and later). And if I recall correctly, he's running OS X 10.2 -irrationally literal john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Return to PowerPC?
Will Apple return to PPC processors? I experienced smoother Game Graphics on a 2 GHz G5 Mac with 256 MB of VRAM, than I had on a 2 GHz Intel Mac, with 256 MB of VRAM, both my Macs have 2 GB of RAM. thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mullin9ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: Will Apple return to PPC processors? I experienced smoother Game Graphics on a 2 GHz G5 Mac with 256 MB of VRAM, than I had on a 2 GHz Intel Mac, with 256 MB of VRAM, both my Macs have 2 GB of RAM. Could you provide a little more detail? Which Intel Mac were you using? What did it use for video? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Mullin9 wrote: Will Apple return to PPC processors? A year or so ago, Apple purchased a fab-less designer and manufacturer of multi-core PPC processors. It is conceivable that Apple may use PPC processors in some future products, but the investment in Intel-based products for the desktop and laptop has been high, and has been largely successful. Snow Leopard will NOT be a universal system: it will be Intel only; so a return to PPC is not bloody likely for MacOS, ever. However another product which is based upon PPC, or another processor which can make effective use of the power-saving technology which was acquired in that Apple purchase of a PPC company seems likely. Perhaps a set-top box or a hand-held box? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mullin9ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: Will Apple return to PPC processors? I experienced smoother Game Graphics on a 2 GHz G5 Mac with 256 MB of VRAM, than I had on a 2 GHz Intel Mac, with 256 MB of VRAM, both my Macs have 2 GB of RAM. That is near impossible, they would have to un-PO partners like IBM. And even more impossible backtrack on Snow:eopard. Reverse policy? No way! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/6/09 2:19 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: However another product which is based upon PPC, or another processor which can make effective use of the power-saving technology which was acquired in that Apple purchase of a PPC company seems likely. And we must admit now: the 1994-2006 PowerPC era was the most turbulent of Apple's history. The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. Sun is still making its RISCs. Intel's CISCs are doing well. And, perhaps the oldest architecture in continuous use, the IBM System/360/370/390 (also called z/System), also a CISC, is now in its 45-th year, and shows no signs of being gone any time soon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
