Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel... Date:Freitag 09 Oktober 2009N From:Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Some very interesting thoughts indeed. I'd argue in favor of the PowerPC architecture. * For one, it gave Macintosh computers a uniqueness on the side of the gaming consoles. One of the last G5s - the quad-core G5's CPU was based on the Xbox's and/or PS3's CPU. - Not too shabby. The PS3 continues to be an amazing super computer gaming system, even though they locked it with the release of the PS3 slim to not be able to install Linux. Odd move considering the ability of the earlier models actually increased sales for this feature. I'm currently unsure if the PS3 slim is able to be anything but an entertainment center. (someone correct me if I'm mistaken) I was going to mention that too, but forgot about it. The PS3 has a PowerPC 970 compatible core running at 3.4 GHz. Fast, isn't it? But I also read about high power consumption and heat emission, so the main problems of the G5 architecture are still unsolved. At least so it seems. * Second, the PowerPC architecture doesn't appear to be totally leaving the scene for Linux users and possibly other OS's. There's the PowerStation http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/ which comes with YDL OS. There's also other options of installing Linux on other PowerPC gaming systems in various configurations. In short, PowerPC lives on. PowerPC lives on, but only for a few people crazy enough. I can give you reasons too: * First, all available PowerPC platforms are very expensive compared to regular PCs that are comparably fast. I've seem a Core i5 cost less than € 1000. * Second, the PowerPCs available are all still G5s with the 970 core. The PowerStation still uses the 970MP from 2005. * Third, there is only one operating system available for such a PowerPC workstation. Mac OS X is only running on Apple computers. Windows is not and never will be ported to the PowerPC. OS/2 is dead. AIX is not supported for the PowerStation. This leaves only Linux, and we all know that Linux is not made for this one computer - problems that come from incompatibilities or other shortcomings would have to be fixed by a developer - either yourself, or you pay one to do so. That's the Linux way - if there is no company behind it that is interessted in keeping an arch well supported, you're all by yourself and a few community developements by enthusiasts. * Third, Apple was planning on moving to Intel's architecture. Steve Job's stated, and I paraphrase Apple had Mac OS X installed and running on Intel machines from the very beginning of Mac OS X, just in case. Um, yeah I understand Mr. Jobs. A little more info please? Never mind, I can read very well between the lines, thank you. Since Mac OS X really uses a BSD core, it's no wonder it could be easily compiled on a PowerPC. All you need is a suitable compiler. I can see this on my Power Mac G5 running Gentoo Linux. Most software isn't aware of the fact where it is running. You just compile it and it runs, be it now an x86, an ARM, a MIPS, Alpha, SPARC, PowerPC, POWER, ... you name it. Just a few core components have to be ported, like the kernel, the compiler and so forth. That is the main development task. * Fourth, Where the heck did the darn quality control go shortly before and after the announcement of the switch to Intel? Um, bad caps anyone? This was a industry wide issue with bad Capacitors plaguing boat loads of computers and electronics. http://badcaps.net/ I don't know, I'm very happy with my G5. It runs reliably until now. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel... Date:Samstag 10 Oktober 2009N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 11:19 PM -0400 10/9/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: Isn't it true that the G5 was way too hot for the laptop??? The PowerPC 970 (what Apple called the G5) was physically too big, too hot, and sucked too much power. Comparable to a Intel Core i5 or i7 - they suck a lot of power too. The 970MP was a step in the right direction. My Power Mac G5 Late 2005, the cheapest model with the dual-core 2.0 GHz processor, sucks between 105 (in idle mode) and 150 (when the CPU cores are at 100%) Watts per hour. That is including the hard drive, the graphics card, and everything connected to it. As far as I know Intels Core i7 draws as much power (but is propably more performant overall). It was a desktop/server grade processor, not designed for laptops at all. The intention was that Moto/Freescale would re-work it for laptops, but they failed. Yes. They sould have taken a G4 and placed the 64-bits on it like the G2 620 has it. Or they should have used a P.A.Semi CPU. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel... Date:Freitag 09 Oktober 2009N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 9:20 PM +0200 10/9/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: Notice what Apple did: First they went to Intel-x86. Then they bought PA Semi. I never really understood what that was good for. Maybe just to remove a good CPU completely from the market? P.A.Semi CPUs aren't being used in any embedded devices, are they? Now with 10.6 Snow Leopard - and PowerPC support gone for good gone for good. By whoze information do you believe that? If not so, then where can I get 10.6 for my Power Mac G5? We've seen that the Snow Leopard build released by Apple is Intel-x86 only. And we've been hammered with all sorts of PR, and news articles based on said PR. But that's not clear information. Do you honestly believe that Apple is so stupid they'd just suddenly ditch all that ppc code? No, but what is ppc code? Look at Linux and show me the ppc code. The parts that are ppc specific are so few. A few parts of the kernel for once. The drivers maybe. Some core stuff. Since Xcode is mostly a gcc anyway, the compilation of Mac OS X would theoratically also work on a MIPS. That's why you could easily compile the new Finder from Snow Leopard for the PowerPC. But Apple doesn't do this. Apple doesn't want this. We know there's a build for ARM. And don't forget that revelation - that OS X was running on x86 all along, as a backup for PowerPC issues. Because of the BSD background. Don't forget that OS X derived from NeXTStep, which was a BSD Unix system running on m86k, x86, PA-RISC and SPARC. But since BSD was also available for the POWER and its subset PowerPC, there was not that much effort necessary to get it running on a PowerPC architecture. Want to take a look at NeXTStep? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gnustep.png Apple has a *proven* track record of keeping their options open. What are the options, if Intel drops the ball? AMD-x86. POWER. ARM. ... That's what they got thanks to Steve Jobs when aquiring NeXT and switching from Mac OS Classic to Mac OS X. - Dan. The main point is, that Mac OS X is one of the innovative operating systems on the market. The point is also that even though Apple has a very adaptable and advanced operating system at hands they decive to give it away for *their hardware* only. And only for the one they decide to support at a specific time. My guess is that a big part in Apples success of selling Apple computers is Mac OS X. People see Mac OS X working and like what they see. The want it and in order to get it they have to buy a Mac. So they automatically support Apples hardware business. If Apple sold Mac OS X for the PC they wouldn't be so successful with their personal computers and laptops. And one part of this mosaic is that Apple wants us to switch to Intel bases Macs. That has at least two advantages for Apple: One, we have to buy new Macs and thus we again support Apples hardware business; and two, future software for Mac OS X will have to support Intel only, thus being cheaper to develop for third party software companies. I repeat my statement: Mac OS X/PPC is *gone for good*. Leopard is the last of its kind. It is good enough to work with on a 64-bit computer but it could be better. Better like Snow Leopard is better: * OpenCL support. * Grand Central Dispatch on a Quad or even a Dual. * all 64-bits if a user decides he/she wants that. (Caution! Third party drivers and OS extensions that are 32-bit, which is 100% of what is available right now, will not work on a 64-bit kernel!) * a reworked Finder. (but a drop in a bucket) What we are left with, is being left behind: * Apple security fixes for a few more years. When 10.7 is here PowerPC users are finally droped concerning fixes. * Universal Binaries will be Intel/32-bit and Intel/64-bit. Univeral PowerPC/Intel will be history, as will be any recent applications running on a Power Mac. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
At 12:12 PM +0200 10/10/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: Notice what Apple did: First they went to Intel-x86. Then they bought PA Semi. I never really understood what that was good for. Maybe just to remove a good CPU completely from the market? P.A.Semi CPUs aren't being used in any embedded devices, are they? General processors (CPUs) available in abundance, *shrug*. There are, however, still a lot of tasks that are better done in hardware than software. To design ASICs (application specific integrated circuits), you need access to quality chip engineers. Most companies do this by farming out the work, but that's not ultimately very cost effective. That's why Apple bought PA Semi. From what I've read, the first of the new Apple-driven PA Semi designs are coming to the market now. You'll see them in iPhone and the Mac Tablet and perhaps the refreshed Macs. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RAM doesn't work
I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Geke wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! 98% odds that the stick you purchased is a high density stick (2% chance DOA). Macs need low density. Density refers to how the chip is electrically laid out. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
bad ram I received 2 sticks of ram and one was bad; Did not show up in the slot, tried it in other slots verify: Did you switch the ram around to verify the slot was good ? On Oct 10, 2009, at 16:03, Geke wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
Also remove all the 900 memory and try booting with just that DIMM. If it works, then add the 900 memory. Mel --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: From: Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com Subject: Re: RAM doesn't work To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:11 PM On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Geke wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! 98% odds that the stick you purchased is a high density stick (2% chance DOA). Macs need low density. Density refers to how the chip is electrically laid out. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
-- Original message -- Subject: RAM doesn't work Date:Samstag 10 Oktober 2009N From:Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! Hi! Sorry. This will not help you, but maybe you can use this information anyway. I once got two used DIMMs of SDRAM PC133 from a PC and wanted to use it in a Power Mac Quicksilver. The serial numbers printed on the chips showed that they where produced in sequence, and therefor they must have been bought together. They worked well in the PC. Now comes the riddle: How come, one worked in the Quicksilver and the other didn't? I swapped them around in the slots but nothing worked. Don't know why the one wasn't recognized at all, while the other worked well. Maybe you will have to accept the fact that the Power Macs are kind of picky when it comes to memory. If you buy used SDRAM it is always good that the seller guarantees the memory modules will work in a Power Mac. So you can return it and get your money back, like you would in this case. Regarding density: I've never been able to distinguish high density modules from low density ones. How can I? Is it written somewhere? And why the hell did my Mac take only one out of two _in squence_ produced DIMMs? Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
On Oct 10, 4:28 pm, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! Regarding density: I've never been able to distinguish high density modules from low density ones. How can I? If the RAM stick has 16 chips, 8 on the front and 8 on the back, and is non-ECC (non-sync) it is true low density and will (almost always) work in the older Mac G3s and G4s. I can't tell from the pictures if there are chips on the back. I have occasionally found that ECC (sync) Ram might work in a G4 but it usually doesn't. The only way I know to be absolutely certain RAM will work in your Mac is to buy used RAM pulled from a Mac from the LEM swap list or buy it new from OWC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How to watch VHS movies on my mac?
I have a G5 dual 2.3 early 2005...running latest Leopard 10.5.8. I used to have an Alchemy TV pci card that worked great in Tiger, but no drivers for Leopard. Question is, what's a cheap solution for for watching VHS on my G5? ideas? Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to watch VHS movies on my mac?
Jeffrey Engle wrote: I have a G5 dual 2.3 early 2005...running latest Leopard 10.5.8. I used to have an Alchemy TV pci card that worked great in Tiger, but no drivers for Leopard. Question is, what's a cheap solution for for watching VHS on my G5? ideas? Jeff I have an EyeTV 250+ that works well. I use it all the time for recording TV off the air. I haven't used it much for importing VHS but it does that too. www.macsales.com carries them. They often have refurbished units in their specials section for quite a bit less. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
On 10-10-2009 22:03, Geke, gevangaste...@googlemail.com, wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB Goto: http://www,chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm and check your module. Easy way to find out if it works with aMac and yes with what Mac. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
On Oct 10, 2009, at 6:39 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: On 10-10-2009 22:03, Geke, gevangaste...@googlemail.com, wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB Goto: http://www,chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm and check your module. Easy way to find out if it works with aMac and yes with what Mac. Link punctuation corrected: http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth video issues
I have an ATI 9200LE in this Sawtooth and I want to update the rom but I can't find the latest one, which is 127. If you have it in your machine, please send me an e-Mail off list. If you know of a non-broken link that I could get it from, please say. I've spent 2 hours working on this and all the links I found led to ATI and were broken. Please, do you know how I could get Quartx Extreme on this card. PCI Extreme did not work. I had to reinstall the OS because it broke it. After applying the patch, it booted to blue screen and nothing. I applied all the boot-up commands, including, reset all open firmware. Also, while I have your attention. Do you know of a DVD authoring software; avi to dvd that's even paid for, free would be great. One that does not take 39 hours to make a single dvd. Please don't mention toast to me. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:12 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: At 9:20 PM +0200 10/9/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: Notice what Apple did: First they went to Intel-x86. Then they bought PA Semi. I never really understood what that was good for. Maybe just to remove a good CPU completely from the market? P.A.Semi CPUs aren't being used in any embedded devices, are they? Apple bought PA Semi for the human talent and patents for small device CPU's such as would be used in the iPhone, not a specific product line, but from what I've read it was mainly for the brains of the company. I'd be quite surprised if Apple moved off Intel for any desktop or laptop Macs; heck, Intel makes Core 2 Quads that are a drop- in replacement for any Core 2 Duo (which is how I anticipate upgrading my old Core Duo iMac at work); getting to the point where they can be made cheaply enough to stick in consumer systems, say an iMac, plus an OS that uses multiprocessing a lot more, such as, say 10.6 :-) -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth video issues
For simple AVI to DVD authoring, I've found that VisualHub is multiple times faster than Toast. Unfortunately, the developer stopped selling it about a year ago, I'm not sure you can still get it.\ Chance Nestamicky wrote: I have an ATI 9200LE in this Sawtooth and I want to update the rom but I can't find the latest one, which is 127. If you have it in your machine, please send me an e-Mail off list. If you know of a non-broken link that I could get it from, please say. I've spent 2 hours working on this and all the links I found led to ATI and were broken. Please, do you know how I could get Quartx Extreme on this card. PCI Extreme did not work. I had to reinstall the OS because it broke it. After applying the patch, it booted to blue screen and nothing. I applied all the boot-up commands, including, reset all open firmware. Also, while I have your attention. Do you know of a DVD authoring software; avi to dvd that's even paid for, free would be great. One that does not take 39 hours to make a single dvd. Please don't mention toast to me. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth video issues
On Oct 11, 9:16 am, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: I have an ATI 9200LE in this Sawtooth and I want to update the rom but I can't find the latest one, which is 127. If you have it in your machine, please send me an e-Mail off list. If you know of a non-broken link that I could get it from, please say. I've spent 2 hours working on this and all the links I found led to ATI and were broken. Please, do you know how I could get Quartx Extreme on this card. PCI Extreme did not work. I had to reinstall the OS because it broke it. After applying the patch, it booted to blue screen and nothing. I applied all the boot-up commands, including, reset all open firmware. Also, while I have your attention. Do you know of a DVD authoring software; avi to dvd that's even paid for, free would be great. One that does not take 39 hours to make a single dvd. Please don't mention toast to me. Thanks! If you go here to the MacElite which seems to have taken over from Strangedogs as THE place for flashing PC cards to work on a Mac http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 then there is the version 127 ROM listed. Good Luck Cheers, Stewie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth video issues
Awesome! And it's free now! Brian Christmas wrote: G'day Visual Hub is now call 'Film Redux' It's available from http://tinyurl.com/a36m3c * * Regards Santa On 11/10/2009, at 10:41 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: For simple AVI to DVD authoring, I've found that VisualHub is multiple times faster than Toast. Unfortunately, the developer stopped selling it about a year ago, I'm not sure you can still get it.\ Chance Nestamicky wrote: I have an ATI 9200LE in this Sawtooth and I want to update the rom but I can't find the latest one, which is 127. If you have it in your machine, please send me an e-Mail off list. If you know of a non-broken link that I could get it from, please say. I've spent 2 hours working on this and all the links I found led to ATI and were broken. Please, do you know how I could get Quartx Extreme on this card. PCI Extreme did not work. I had to reinstall the OS because it broke it. After applying the patch, it booted to blue screen and nothing. I applied all the boot-up commands, including, reset all open firmware. Also, while I have your attention. Do you know of a DVD authoring software; avi to dvd that's even paid for, free would be great. One that does not take 39 hours to make a single dvd. Please don't mention toast to me. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacement Fans in UK? G4 Dual 867Mhz MDD
Just bought a G4 Dual 867Mhz and discovered the noise problem. Where can I find suitabel replacement fans in the UK? maybe http://www.applemacparts.co.uk/ good luck - bought mobo batteries several times, back when they where impossible to find in dk for a reasonable price, and was always treated well /tina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
Greetings, all. Hope someone can offer some sage advice on this subject - this is the second unit that such has happened to me: I have an upgraded QuickSilver, 2002 motherboard, being processed with a Sonnet G4/1 GHz single CPU, 1.5 Gig of RAM. The Sonnet firmware has been upgraded to 3.2 (Leopard support). I would like to get leopard installed on this unit (upgraded from 10.4.11, which it has run flawlessly for over a year now). When trying to boot off the (retail) Leopard DVD, the unit refuses to mount - I get the exact same symptoms as i did on another upgraded G4 (a QS being pushed by an OWC 1.5 GHz CPU): initial silver Apple screen, spinning gear icon for 30 seconds, a very distinctive click from, I guess, the HDs [i.e. the same sound you get when the OS is telling the HDs to spin down], about 10 more seconds of spinning gear icon, then freeze. As mentioned, firmware for the CPU is updated, drives pass their SMART test and PRAM/NVRAM is zapped; still no ability to boot off of the Leopard DVD (brand new retail, btw). Do you think that the DVD drive's firmware needs updating? it is a model SONY CD-RW CRX315E btw. Thank you for any thoughts; I'm stuck. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:16 PM, DLC wrote: Do you think that the DVD drive's firmware needs updating? it is a model SONY CD-RW CRX315E btw. This is an uncommon combo drive model, I think it's an Apple OEM drive? The last firmware was version NAK7, but I have no idea where to get this firmware. Many of the Sony drives were rebadged LiteOn drives that could be cross-flashed, but in this case, I kinda doubt the drive firmware is your problem. I don't think upgrading this firmware would be realistically feasible unless you have a PC, some experience with firmware updates, and some time. Even then, it probably won't do much for your specific problem of not being able boot an OEM Leopard Install DVD. I'd suggest trying the verbose boot dialog to see what's going on when you try to boot the DVD. You'd need to select the DVD in Startup Disk, and then hold the Cmd-v keys at restart. You should then get a black screen with the startup dialog that may help you to further diagnose the problem. Also, you might try using Leopard Assist to install with: http://mac.profusehost.net/leopardassist/download.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
I don't know what the problem could be, but I have a question about this??? Why would you upgrade to Leopard if Tiger was running so great??? I can't find anything that makes Leopard any better then Tiger??? So many Mac users have told me to keep my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger, don't waist the money on Leopard... CoolKat -Original Message- From: DLC dlcatft...@verizon.net Sent: Oct 10, 2009 10:16 PM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not? Greetings, all. Hope someone can offer some sage advice on this subject - this is the second unit that such has happened to me: I have an upgraded QuickSilver, 2002 motherboard, being processed with a Sonnet G4/1 GHz single CPU, 1.5 Gig of RAM. The Sonnet firmware has been upgraded to 3.2 (Leopard support). I would like to get leopard installed on this unit (upgraded from 10.4.11, which it has run flawlessly for over a year now). When trying to boot off the (retail) Leopard DVD, the unit refuses to mount - I get the exact same symptoms as i did on another upgraded G4 (a QS being pushed by an OWC 1.5 GHz CPU): initial silver Apple screen, spinning gear icon for 30 seconds, a very distinctive click from, I guess, the HDs [i.e. the same sound you get when the OS is telling the HDs to spin down], about 10 more seconds of spinning gear icon, then freeze. As mentioned, firmware for the CPU is updated, drives pass their SMART test and PRAM/NVRAM is zapped; still no ability to boot off of the Leopard DVD (brand new retail, btw). Do you think that the DVD drive's firmware needs updating? it is a model SONY CD-RW CRX315E btw. Thank you for any thoughts; I'm stuck. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth video issues
On 10/10/09 5:49 PM, Brian Christmas wrote: G'day Visual Hub is now call 'Film Redux' It's available from http://tinyurl.com/a36m3c * * Regards Santa Thanks Brian and Chance. Very good suggestions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard on an upgraded QS? maybe not?
On Oct 11, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I don't know what the problem could be, but I have a question about this??? Why would you upgrade to Leopard if Tiger was running so great??? I can't find anything that makes Leopard any better then Tiger??? So many Mac users have told me to keep my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger, don't waist the money on Leopard... I also agree with you. I've twice been requested to downgrade a friend's system that was upgraded to Leopard because of how much slower Leopard performs on PPC Macs. According to xBench GeekBench archives, Leopard's about 20-25% slower than Tiger for PPC Macs, while counterintuitively running about 15-20% faster for Intel Macs. The Macs I downgraded were G4 laptops in the 1.5-1.67 GHz range, not older slower PPC Macs. The possible reasons to upgrade to Leopard include: Time Machine, Spaces, and some newer software that isn't Tiger compatible. Are there other reasons? I don't think this is enough reason to upgrade myself, so I've left my G4 Mini with Tiger. I upgraded my G5 PowerMac to Leopard, and I'm too lazy to downgrade, so it's stuck, but luckily the G5 has enough horsepower for the slowdown to be not too bothersome until just recently. When I migrate onto an Intel machine I'll likely downgrade the G5 also. In my opinion, Tiger is the best OS for PPC Macs, and is with certainty the fastest. Intel Macs likely need Snow Leopard now, but I have no experience with Snow Leopard, so I'm not certain. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
