Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
I noticed the Yikes didn't have a ADB Bus so I would have to replace my keyboard and mouse (which I really like). But I can learn to live without Basically, any USB KB and Mouse will work with a G4 Mac. I am currently using (please forgive me) a Dell KB and MS wireless mouse with my DA. No issues at all. Len I've heard mention of a USB to adb adapter too, search the list archives? I think it was called an iMate? That would allow you to keep using the old keyboard/mouse on anything with USB! Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
On 22/05/10 7:24 PM, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: I was directed to a web site that pointed out that you had to hobble the bus speed on the G3 in order to use the Yikes G4 processor in it. As someone noted, hobbling the bus speed was only for those processors that were 700+ MHz. I believe just installing these higher speed CPU's hobbled the bus speed for you. If you're installing a G4 or G3 ZIF that was greater than 400 MHz, but 600MHz and under, then what you needed to do was update the firmware of the BW in order for it to properly use the 400+ MHz CPU's. ...Skip the whole upgrade process and invest in a low cost G4 computer all together. It would be much cheaper to go with a low cost G4 and one that used AGP graphics (more and cheaper options for you). You may also want to look into the G5 market (dual core) as they're getting cheaper too. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cube speed
Hi All Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the Cube to run the Cinema displays 20 up. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do you need a ROM Patch for BW G3 if G4 Zif is installed?
At 4:05 PM -0700 5/22/2010, Gus wrote: Why did the bus Speed have to be reduced? I thought the yikes had a 100 mhz bus speed??? Bus speed is a ratio of processor speed. An 800 MHz G4 would leave the bus at 100 MHz, I believe. For normal work flow, the faster processor is better - even tho the i/o bus is slowed. If your work flow is i/o intensive, then the the slower processor might be better. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Sent from my iPad On May 23, 2010, at 7:58 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the Cube to run the Cinema displays 20 up. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Cube speed Date:Sonntag 23 Mai 2010N From:John Niven sense...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. I don't know much about Cubes either, but I think the problem will be the heat sink. Considering only the processor socket it should work, as they are compatbile. The bus speed and the multipliers have to be taken into account though, like you did. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do you need a ROM Patch for BW G3 if G4 Zif is installed?
On May 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Gus wrote: I am considering putting a G4 zif into my G3 BW. I saw on some upgrade sites that a software patch (ROM Patch) was needed. Depending on which card was installed each vendor had its own patch. If I happen to find a zif from a G4 Yikes, would I still need a rom patch? Would one from the third party sites work? Any advice from anyone that has done this type of upgrade would be appreciated. Yes. All of them do the same thing, so you could use any one. Apple patched the G3 ROM to explicitly prevent G4 zif's from working. The patch undoes that. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Where does the Bus speed come from? The logic board or the Daughter card? Also i have a 500 cube with a 100 Bus speed So your saying that 5x100= 500. What is determining the multipier in my Cube 500? I'm getting confused with all the things I'm reading, I'd hate to go to all the work to install a processor just to find out it's slower that the old one:-) I would think some of the AGP cards from the towers would work in a Cube but maybe that's why they get so much for the aftermarket ones. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
file recovery?
I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have. with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet. Just did it in the last 5 mins. I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting these files back? Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 4 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do you need a ROM Patch for BW G3 if G4 Zif is installed?
Reducing the bus speed is only required for some of the higher speed (i.e., 800mhz) third-party upgrades. It's actually the same for G3 and G4 upgrades at those speeds. Look at something like a 1Ghz G3 upgrade for for information. Now... For a simple upgrade like swapping in a Yikes! G4 into a BW, there is no need to change bus speed. John On 5/22/10 7:05 PM, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: Why did the bus Speed have to be reduced? I thought the yikes had a 100 mhz bus speed??? This is disconcerting. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have. with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet. Just did it in the last 5 mins. I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting these files back? Jeff Erased or re-partitioned? Erased is a lot easier to recover from. I would go straight to Data Rescue http://www.prosofteng.com/ or a commercial recovery service. nag mode/Of course it would be easiest to just restore your data from a recent backup, right?/nag -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have. with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet. Just did it in the last 5 mins. I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting these files back? Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Data Rescue 3 will do it. Diskwarrior may make your problem worse. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
On May 23, 2010, at 11:38 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: John, I don't know anything about cubes, but the CPU modules get their clock speed by multiplying the bus speed so 133 x 4 = 533. If you use it with a 100MHz bus then it will operate at 400MHz! Will the cube take a dual? I have a spare dual 450MHz. Where does the Bus speed come from? The logic board or the Daughter card? Also i have a 500 cube with a 100 Bus speed So your saying that 5x100= 500. What is determining the multipier in my Cube 500? I'm getting confused with all the things I'm reading, I'd hate to go to all the work to install a processor just to find out it's slower that the old one:-) I would think some of the AGP cards from the towers would work in a Cube but maybe that's why they get so much for the aftermarket ones. The bus speed is set by the motherboard. The multiplier is set on the processor card. In some systems, there are ways of changing the bus speed, I do not know about the cube. There are also ways of changing the multiplier on some stock Apple cards. HOWEVER, both these involve circuit board level soldering and are not for the feint hearted. I am not real familiar with the cube, but because of heat issues, I would not mess with these. IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
erased not re-partitioned. On May 23, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have. with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet. Just did it in the last 5 mins. I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting these files back? Jeff Erased or re-partitioned? Erased is a lot easier to recover from. I would go straight to Data Rescue http://www.prosofteng.com/ or a commercial recovery service. nag mode/Of course it would be easiest to just restore your data from a recent backup, right?/nag -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
Belkin definitely made an ADB--USB adapter (I have one around here somewhere) and I'm pretty sure of at least another brand.) John On 5/23/10 3:33 AM, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: I've heard mention of a USB to adb adapter too, search the list archives? I think it was called an iMate? That would allow you to keep using the old keyboard/mouse on anything with USB! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
WrongAgain Len lgers...@gmail.com wrote: a web site that pointed out that you had to hobble the bus speed on the G3 in order to use the Yikes G4 processor in it. Please cite the site. Both are 100MHz machines. The only upgrades to the BW that hobble the bus speed are the very fast (800-1GHz) G3s, iirc. Once you update the firmware to accept a G4, it should almost be a drop in. the very fast G3's ZIF upgrades were developed precisely BECAUSE they didn't require cutting the bus speed to 66MHz. the problem is the G4 Altivec Engine, which is not compatible with the BW mobo because the mobo was developed before the invention of the Altivec enhanced CPUs. here's the URL you asked for: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/PowerLogix/PowerForce-ZIF/ ah...clem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Or do I need a different application. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet I've never tried using CCC for daily backup. For daily backup I use ChronoSync to backup our network. It's very versatile and only $40. I've used it for years and all of the upgrades are free. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube speed
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Cube speed Date:Sonntag 23 Mai 2010N From:Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On May 23, 2010, at 11:38 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: IMNSHO, your best bet is to stay with either a genuine Apple processor designed for the cube, or an aftermarket one designed for it. The SG4-C1800 Sonnet Encore/ST 1.8 Ghz G4 is such an upgrade. Propably no longer available and much too expensive ($400 USD). Another example is the SG4-C1200-2M Sonnet Sonnet Encore/ST 1.2Ghz G4 wich is specifically for the Cube, whereas the SG4-1200-2M (without the “C”) is with a heatsink that is incompatible with the Cube. You can search the Web or start here: http://www.welovemacs.com/apcusepa.html SG4-1200-2M (not for Cube): http://www.welovemacs.com/en1g4wi2mb3l.html SG4-C1200-2M (specifically for Cube): http://www.welovemacs.com/sg4c12002m.html SG4-C1800 (for Cube, fastest I could find): http://www.welovemacs.com/sg4c1800.html Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
On May 22, 7:16 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On May 22, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Gus wrote: I was directed to a web site that pointed out that you had to hobble the bus speed on the G3 in order to use the Yikes G4 processor in it. Please cite the site. Both are 100MHz machines. The only upgrades to the BW that hobble the bus speed are the very fast (800-1GHz) G3s, iirc. Once you update the firmware to accept a G4, it should almost be a drop in. It was the PowerLogix site someone directed me to. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/PowerLogix/PowerForce-ZIF/ In light of this it would make more sense to either: Put the entire Yikes MotherBoard in the G3. I don't think it is a drop in. They do look exceptionally similar. I am just not sure if the back plastic will pose a problem. Thing is the mb in the g3 is twitchy anyway and needs replacement or the whole thing needs to be thrown in the trash. I am not a big utube user to begin with and mostly just do text processing and cd burning with it. I know toast likes the g4 and I have noticed many tiger apps that are requiring a g4 or better to work. At present I can get a yikes MB and processor fairly inexpensively. But I don't want to have this thing half torn apart only to realize the MB back side cant accommodate the plastic. Or Skip the whole upgrade process and invest in a low cost G4 computer all together. There are many G4s available for $120 and under on eBay, and better deals can be had on the swap list. I just saw a 1.25GHz Mirror Drive Door on ebay for $120 shipped. I noticed the Yikes didn't have a ADB Bus so I would have to replace my keyboard and mouse (which I really like). But I can learn to live without Basically, any USB KB and Mouse will work with a G4 Mac. I am currently using (please forgive me) a Dell KB and MS wireless mouse with my DA. No issues at all. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
At 9:39 AM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Or do I need a different application. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet I've never tried using CCC for daily backup. For daily backup I use ChronoSync to backup our network. It's very versatile and only $40. I've used it for years and all of the upgrades are free. Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited.
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: BW G3 - G4 Upgrade Revisited. Date:Sonntag 23 Mai 2010N From:Gus gusr...@comcast.net To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Thing is the mb in the g3 is twitchy anyway and needs replacement or the whole thing needs to be thrown in the trash. If it works it works. I'm not a native speaker (my native tongue is German), but why do you think you may have to throw it in the trash if you can still start it up? Or is it a “sometimes it starts up, sometimes not” situation? I am not a big utube user to begin with and mostly just do text processing and cd burning with it. Like me. I use my G3 BW with Mac OS X 10.4.11 for text processing (OpenOffice.org 3.2 and Microsoft Office:mac 2004) and internet browsing (Camino, Firefox, Safari, in that order; no YouTube!). BTW, Microsoft Office:mac is quite speedy for running on an G3 BW 350 MHz, OpenOffice.org on the other hand… I think it is 1 minute until I see it has been started, and it isn't very responsive when working with it too. But what can I say? I need the compatibility of ODF documents. I don't do CD burning though. I know toast likes the g4 and I have noticed many tiger apps that are requiring a g4 or better to work. I hardly believe that. I read somewhere that for the Intel Macs to be able to continue running PowerPC applications you need Rosetta installed. This Rosetta emulates PowerPC _without_ AltiVec and without G5 optimization. So it basically gives you a G4 without AltiVec – which is a G3! So anything that will run on Rosetta on an Intel Mac (on Leopard or on Snow Leopard) will therefore also run on a Power Mac G3 – and I'd say this is about 99% of all G4 applications. Also, normally every program that is design to run on Tiger is also able to run on a G3 BW, since this Mac is officially supported for Tiger and thus a program officially supporting Tiger must also support the G3 BW. For example: the Microsoft Open XML File Format Converter 1.1.3 (released 10th of November 2009) officially required Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, but I tested it on Tiger – on my G3 BW (!) – and it worked! Maybe what you experience is that some programs do some checking and don't like the few MHz of your processor. But they should refuse to start with an error message, that they require a faster processor to run. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. If you only sync from a to b it's a backup. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
If the drive were bad it would not be usable with USB and FW. I would suspect either a bad cable or a bad/loose cable connection to the either the drive or the eSATA port. Are you using an internal SATA cable or eSATA? Did you reboot the machine after attaching the drive? -irrational john I'm using an eSATA cable and I did reboot both machines. i know that the seritek card is not hot swappable... try plugging it in, your drive that is, and then restarting your mac? I'm interested to know if that works myself. Thanks for the tip so far I got the WD working on the PM G4 but the PM G5 doesn't report it with the drive powered, The WD is kinda wierd how it powers up, Well anyway I guess that eliminates the WD from being a crapola piece so far:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
On May 23, 2010, at 2:26 PM, geno.y wrote: Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. If you only sync from a to b it's a backup. Geno Well maybe if you only sync then you get a bad backup?? CCC will tell you if the copy will be bootable. I think that's the way it works. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
Well maybe if you only sync then you get a bad backup?? CCC will tell you if the copy will be bootable. I think that's the way it works. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. You said you wanted to backup over a network so I was thinking files not boot drive. But the ccc web site has a help desk and the web site says you can use it over a network. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 2:26 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: If the drive were bad it would not be usable with USB and FW. I would suspect either a bad cable or a bad/loose cable connection to the either the drive or the eSATA port. Are you using an internal SATA cable or eSATA? Did you reboot the machine after attaching the drive? -irrational john I'm using an eSATA cable and I did reboot both machines. i know that the seritek card is not hot swappable... try plugging it in, your drive that is, and then restarting your mac? I'm interested to know if that works myself. Thanks for the tip so far I got the WD working on the PM G4 but the PM G5 doesn't report it with the drive powered, The WD is kinda wierd how it powers up, Well anyway I guess that eliminates the WD from being a crapola piece so far:-) When I boot the G5 the WD indicator lights begin some activity I have no idea what, but it never mounts the drive. The Seritek 1V4 card has 4 plugs on it I have 3 going to a Jive 5 and one going to an eSATA external port. The Jive 5 drives a working properly. Can this maybe the external port hardware? It does work somewhat because the drive's indicator lights react during statup of the G%. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Cube speed
From: carmo...@aol.com Subject: Cube speed Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 05:58:36 -0700 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Hi All Can I use a processor from a G4 Digital Audio in a G4 Cube. It looks phisicaly the same but the speed CPU is 533 MHz and the Bus Speed is 133 MHz. The 500 MHz Cube is 100 MHz Bus Speed. Also I have a Radeon 7200 card in the Cube to run the Cinema displays 20 up. John Carmonne You can also get a dual 500MHz in there too John - some guy did it and posted his method on XLR8yrMac. Not a lot faster but handy when you have your Cube doing two things at once or using an app that is multi-CPU aware and better than the single CPU 5333 upgrade for sure. Some of the other stock Apple CPUs would probably work as well with some hardware mods but they are designed to run in a tower not a Cube so heat and power draw on the notoriously dicey VRM becomes an issue. Get a good fan in the bottom of the case before you do any other mods too - your Cube will thank you anyway by running cooler. Stewie _ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Since the 1v4 has four internal ports and no external ports I assume you're running a internal cable outside as a kludge for eSATA? This won't work because internal SATA cables are unshielded and eSATA requires a different cable that is shielded. The plugs for SATA and eSATA are also different, so if you're using an internal SATA port for an external eSATA connection it won't work. You'll need to get a real eSATA card. I have the Seritek 1v2+2 which has two internal and two external ports. If you already have a Seritek card with an external port: Check the firmware. Seritek cards don't support a rarely used feature called SSC (spread spectrum clocking). On the WD HDs this feature is normally disabled and should work with the Seritek card, but it's set via a jumper, and if for some reason the jumper was set then the HD wouldn't work. I have an external port on one of the slots mounted on the back of the machine and the cable that's attached to it is plugged to the 1V4 card Then I plug in an eSATA cable from the external eSATA port to the WD drive the same as my G4 PM. So you're saying I need another card? What I can do with the last port on the 1V4 card I really need eSATA because I use a portable drive to transfer my DVD library. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cosmopod
While this is useful, it won't let me DL the updates with Safari (defaults to FF) and after downloading one mp4 it now won't let me Dl any more unless I buy cosmopod. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 3:49 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Since the 1v4 has four internal ports and no external ports I assume you're running a internal cable outside as a kludge for eSATA? This won't work because internal SATA cables are unshielded and eSATA requires a different cable that is shielded. The plugs for SATA and eSATA are also different, so if you're using an internal SATA port for an external eSATA connection it won't work. You'll need to get a real eSATA card. I have the Seritek 1v2+2 which has two internal and two external ports. If you already have a Seritek card with an external port: Check the firmware. Seritek cards don't support a rarely used feature called SSC (spread spectrum clocking). On the WD HDs this feature is normally disabled and should work with the Seritek card, but it's set via a jumper, and if for some reason the jumper was set then the HD wouldn't work. I have an external port on one of the slots mounted on the back of the machine and the cable that's attached to it is plugged to the 1V4 card Then I plug in an eSATA cable from the external eSATA port to the WD drive the same as my G4 PM. So you're saying I need another card? What I can do with the last port on the 1V4 card I really need eSATA because I use a portable drive to transfer my DVD library. This is the unit I have plugged into the 4TH port on my seritek 1V4 card.I have one in my PM G4 also and the drive works properly. http://www.usb-ware.com/sata-single-internal-esata-adapter.htm JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 4:49 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 3:49 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Since the 1v4 has four internal ports and no external ports I assume you're running a internal cable outside as a kludge for eSATA? This won't work because internal SATA cables are unshielded and eSATA requires a different cable that is shielded. The plugs for SATA and eSATA are also different, so if you're using an internal SATA port for an external eSATA connection it won't work. You'll need to get a real eSATA card. I have the Seritek 1v2+2 which has two internal and two external ports. If you already have a Seritek card with an external port: Check the firmware. Seritek cards don't support a rarely used feature called SSC (spread spectrum clocking). On the WD HDs this feature is normally disabled and should work with the Seritek card, but it's set via a jumper, and if for some reason the jumper was set then the HD wouldn't work. I have an external port on one of the slots mounted on the back of the machine and the cable that's attached to it is plugged to the 1V4 card Then I plug in an eSATA cable from the external eSATA port to the WD drive the same as my G4 PM. So you're saying I need another card? What I can do with the last port on the 1V4 card I really need eSATA because I use a portable drive to transfer my DVD library. This is the unit I have plugged into the 4TH port on my seritek 1V4 card.I have one in my PM G4 also and the drive works properly. http://www.usb-ware.com/sata-single-internal-esata-adapter.htm Ya, this is the same thing I have, why do they make this bracket if you can't use them??? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 4:49 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 3:49 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Since the 1v4 has four internal ports and no external ports I assume you're running a internal cable outside as a kludge for eSATA? This won't work because internal SATA cables are unshielded and eSATA requires a different cable that is shielded. The plugs for SATA and eSATA are also different, so if you're using an internal SATA port for an external eSATA connection it won't work. You'll need to get a real eSATA card. I have the Seritek 1v2+2 which has two internal and two external ports. If you already have a Seritek card with an external port: Check the firmware. Seritek cards don't support a rarely used feature called SSC (spread spectrum clocking). On the WD HDs this feature is normally disabled and should work with the Seritek card, but it's set via a jumper, and if for some reason the jumper was set then the HD wouldn't work. I have an external port on one of the slots mounted on the back of the machine and the cable that's attached to it is plugged to the 1V4 card Then I plug in an eSATA cable from the external eSATA port to the WD drive the same as my G4 PM. So you're saying I need another card? What I can do with the last port on the 1V4 card I really need eSATA because I use a portable drive to transfer my DVD library. This is the unit I have plugged into the 4TH port on my seritek 1V4 card.I have one in my PM G4 also and the drive works properly. http://www.usb-ware.com/sata-single-internal-esata-adapter.htm Ya, this is the same thing I have, why do they make this bracket if you can't use them??? Jeff I have a bracket on my PM G4 dual 1.25 and it wotks fine. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
At 3:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. CCC has been free shareware since I started using it back in 2005. At NO time have any features been unavailable to unpaid users. Mike Bombich, the author, is quite specific about that. This page contains a very polite request for donations. In lieu of that, CCC now displays ads... http://www.bombich.com/donate.html Perhaps you have it confused with the commercialware SuperDuper? You have to pay for SuperDuper to enable more than its basic cloning feature. (and even then, afaik, SuperDuper doesn't do incremental/versioning). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cosmopod
On May 23, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: While this is useful, it won't let me DL the updates with Safari (defaults to FF) ?? If your default browser is ff, the dialog will go off to ff to download the updates. and after downloading one mp4 it now won't let me Dl any more unless I buy cosmopod. Yes, it's commercial software. It's quite cheap, I think it cost me $12 when I bought it (it's priced in euros, so I was at the mercy of the exchange rate.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
On May 23, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: erased not re-partitioned. Try the data rescue demo, see if it works, if not, decide if it's worth the several hundred to thousands it'll cost to recover commercially. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
On May 23, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. CCC has been free shareware since I started using it back in 2005. At NO time have any features been unavailable to unpaid users. Mike Bombich, the author, is quite specific about that. This page contains a very polite request for donations. In lieu of that, CCC now displays ads... http://www.bombich.com/donate.html Perhaps you have it confused with the commercialware SuperDuper? You have to pay for SuperDuper to enable more than its basic cloning feature. (and even then, afaik, SuperDuper doesn't do incremental/versioning). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Well I think I'll tackle the disk image save over my Ethernet to start with I hope it's as clean as CCC on a local drive. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
On May 23, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: erased not re-partitioned. Try the data rescue demo, see if it works, if not, decide if it's worth the several hundred to thousands it'll cost to recover commercially. Bruce, tried the Data rescue 3, worked like a charm:-) Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I have a bracket on my PM G4 dual 1.25 and it wotks fine. so, do you have to restart the pm g4 to get the drive to show up? or will it show up without restarting? jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I have a bracket on my PM G4 dual 1.25 and it wotks fine. so, do you have to restart the pm g4 to get the drive to show up? or will it show up without restarting? jeff Yea like you saidI have to start to get the drive up so I think maybe a long shot I just orderd a new bracket for the G5 to see if that's why it won't mount. the drive idicator lights come on but no mount. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: file recovery?
At 8:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Bruce, tried the Data rescue 3, worked like a charm:-) Jeff Now, go make a backup! NOW. :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ya, this is the same thing I have, why do they make this bracket if you can't use them? I haven't used any of these adapters, but it would appear to be a straightforward adapter with low chances of not functioning correctly? John says one of his works and one doesn't. That seems strange, but I think he's running two different OS versions, Tiger 10.4.11 Leopard 10.5.8; and two different firmware versions, one for Tiger one for Leopard? Obviously it seems like troubleshooting this problem isn't straightforward at all. I doubt the problem is with the adapter, unless you're also reporting yours doesn't work correctly? I'd suggest try cross booting the two Macs using Firewire Target Disk mode booting. This way you should be able to boot the working G4 Tiger Mac using the non-working Leopard system from the G5; and also boot the G5 with the Tiger system from the G4. This will tell you if the OS is responsible for the non-functionality. If the two cards are identical, but have different firmware, you could try switching them, which would be easier than flashing them again, and this would tell you if the firmware was the issue. You need to cover all the possibilities, with two OS versions and two firmware versions there are four possible combinations. Knowing which combinations work, and which fail would probably nail down what the true issue is. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ya, this is the same thing I have, why do they make this bracket if you can't use them? I haven't used any of these adapters, but it would appear to be a straightforward adapter with low chances of not functioning correctly? John says one of his works and one doesn't. That seems strange, but I think he's running two different OS versions, Tiger 10.4.11 Leopard 10.5.8; and two different firmware versions, one for Tiger one for Leopard? Obviously it seems like troubleshooting this problem isn't straightforward at all. I doubt the problem is with the adapter, unless you're also reporting yours doesn't work correctly? I'd suggest try cross booting the two Macs using Firewire Target Disk mode booting. This way you should be able to boot the working G4 Tiger Mac using the non-working Leopard system from the G5; and also boot the G5 with the Tiger system from the G4. This will tell you if the OS is responsible for the non-functionality. If the two cards are identical, but have different firmware, you could try switching them, which would be easier than flashing them again, and this would tell you if the firmware was the issue. You need to cover all the possibilities, with two OS versions and two firmware versions there are four possible combinations. Knowing which combinations work, and which fail would probably nail down what the true issue is. I have Tiger and Leopard on both machines. The external WD works on the G4 both Leopard and Tiger it seems to power on the G5 but not mount. I have 3 Hitachi 2TB drives on the Seritek 1V4 card in the G5 and they all work in Tiger and Leopard. But the WD external won't work It leaves only the SATA to eSATA bracket in my mind as the weak link. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 9:09 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ya, this is the same thing I have, why do they make this bracket if you can't use them? I haven't used any of these adapters, but it would appear to be a straightforward adapter with low chances of not functioning correctly? John says one of his works and one doesn't. That seems strange, but I think he's running two different OS versions, Tiger 10.4.11 Leopard 10.5.8; and two different firmware versions, one for Tiger one for Leopard? Obviously it seems like troubleshooting this problem isn't straightforward at all. I doubt the problem is with the adapter, unless you're also reporting yours doesn't work correctly? I'd suggest try cross booting the two Macs using Firewire Target Disk mode booting. This way you should be able to boot the working G4 Tiger Mac using the non-working Leopard system from the G5; and also boot the G5 with the Tiger system from the G4. This will tell you if the OS is responsible for the non-functionality. If the two cards are identical, but have different firmware, you could try switching them, which would be easier than flashing them again, and this would tell you if the firmware was the issue. You need to cover all the possibilities, with two OS versions and two firmware versions there are four possible combinations. Knowing which combinations work, and which fail would probably nail down what the true issue is. I have Tiger and Leopard on both machines. The external WD works on the G4 both Leopard and Tiger it seems to power on the G5 but not mount. I have 3 Hitachi 2TB drives on the Seritek 1V4 card in the G5 and they all work in Tiger and Leopard. But the WD external won't work It leaves only the SATA to eSATA bracket in my mind as the weak link. I don't have an esata external here to test my machines with, but keep me posted. I have the same bracket and it would be nice to use it on my machines as well. I have both a mdd G4 dual 1.42 running leopard and a G5 2.3 early 2005 running leopard as well... both firmtek cards/ firmware are identical. jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: But the WD external won't work It leaves only the SATA to eSATA bracket in my mind as the weak link. IF both Seritek cards have identical firmware? Also, the installed systems could be marginally different somehow, hence the idea for booting off each other's system under Target Disk mode. At least then you'd be 100% certain it isn't somehow a software issue. Right now, you're assuming that the 10.4 10.5 systems on each computer are functionally identical, when they could be different in miniscule but critical ways. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
e: Do you need a ROM Patch for BW G3 if G4 Zif is installed?
Previously, at 8:36 am -0700 5/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Gus wrote: I am considering putting a G4 zif into my G3 BW. I saw on some upgrade sites that a software patch (ROM Patch) was needed. Depending on which card was installed each vendor had its own patch. If I happen to find a zif from a G4 Yikes, would I still need a rom patch? Would one from the third party sites work? Any advice from anyone that has done this type of upgrade would be appreciated. Yes. All of them do the same thing, so you could use any one. Apple patched the G3 ROM to explicitly prevent G4 zif's from working. The patch undoes that. which sites? How can I tell if my BW has the patch? thnx, p. -- It's a lot like nature. You only have as many animals as the ecosystem can support and you only have as many friends as you can tolerate the bitching of. -- Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 08-16-05 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ESATA IN PM G5
On May 23, 2010, at 9:34 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: But the WD external won't work It leaves only the SATA to eSATA bracket in my mind as the weak link. IF both Seritek cards have identical firmware? Also, the installed systems could be marginally different somehow, hence the idea for booting off each other's system under Target Disk mode. At least then you'd be 100% certain it isn't somehow a software issue. Right now, you're assuming that the 10.4 10.5 systems on each computer are functionally identical, when they could be different in miniscule but critical ways. I'll surely not discount that fact however why does the card run the 3 Hiachi drives on Tiger and Leopard in the G5 but not the WD? one thing I haven't done is swap the plugs on the 1V4 card maybe I'm unlucky to get a munged up card? The firmware on the PM G5 is 5.1.3 and on the PM G4 it's 5.1.3, I'm too tired tonight to get back down on the floor and heft those big kids around. but when my bracket gets here then I'll have all the cables to check futher, I'm also going to do the TDM on these things to check everything. I still have a little problem with the restore feature in disk utility not working in PPC Leopard on both the G5 and G4. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
