Re: DVD Functionality for Beige G3
Thanks to some research, I seemed to have significantly narrowed down my options. This page turned out to be particularly helpful: http://www.os9forever.com/DVDPlayer.html ...as did this paragraph: "This hack does not enable the hardware decoder card found on some Rage 128 Pro Apple OEM cards. This decoder requires the PCI card to be in a 66mhz PCI slot, which no OldWorld macs have." Further digging into Apple's update archives indicates that only the 2.x versions of Apple DVD Player offer software DVD playback, while completely doing away with support for the hardware decoders, and only through this patched version of 2.7 will I have any access to software decoding on my G3 at all. In any case, patched version or not, I had the feeling I'd be right about being on the edge of the software decoding requirements. 1. IDE or SCSI DVD-ROM drive 2. SCSI DVD drives require Intech's CD/DVD Speed Tools drivers 3. ATI Rage 128 Pro* or higher video card 4. At least a G3 400mhz upgrade card for usable performance The *very* edge. This leaves the Bordeaux card and Apple DVD Player 1.x (Apple's update archives seem to indicate that 1.1 was the last version of this). Unless anyone has any input for/against the Bordeaux option (let alone has one, I sure haven't seen many around), I'll probably be opting for it over software decoding, because performance would likely be too close for comfort. On Nov 16, 9:05 pm, James Chapel wrote: > Although I discussed this briefly in an earlier topic on this list, > I'm about ready to break down and buy a DVD drive for my Rev. A Beige > G3. This came about because I recently ran across the much-sought- > after Bordeaux personality card, one of the ways to allow DVD video > playback on this machine. I'm in the position, however, where I might > have a couple of options, so I'm looking for some input. > > Because the onboard Rage II+ graphics can't handle much beyond the > lowliest of 1997's 3D offerings, I tossed in a 16mb Rage 128 PCI card > (the one that came with the B&W G3s) several months ago. This card has > pin headers on it for a riser card that basically provides the same > hardware dvd decoding functionality as the Bordeaux, but because I'm > running the 128 on the slower 33mhz PCI bus, I'm not sure whether or > not that would be compatible. Has anyone ever tried it? > > My third and final option is the software decoding approach, but I'm > not entirely sure that, even after throwing in a 400MHz G3 and Rage > 128, my system would be up to that task. > > If it makes a difference, I have no intent on ever running Mac OS X on > this machine, so we're looking at the pre-OS X versions of Apple DVD > Player. > > What do you think? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
DVD Functionality for Beige G3
Although I discussed this briefly in an earlier topic on this list, I'm about ready to break down and buy a DVD drive for my Rev. A Beige G3. This came about because I recently ran across the much-sought- after Bordeaux personality card, one of the ways to allow DVD video playback on this machine. I'm in the position, however, where I might have a couple of options, so I'm looking for some input. Because the onboard Rage II+ graphics can't handle much beyond the lowliest of 1997's 3D offerings, I tossed in a 16mb Rage 128 PCI card (the one that came with the B&W G3s) several months ago. This card has pin headers on it for a riser card that basically provides the same hardware dvd decoding functionality as the Bordeaux, but because I'm running the 128 on the slower 33mhz PCI bus, I'm not sure whether or not that would be compatible. Has anyone ever tried it? My third and final option is the software decoding approach, but I'm not entirely sure that, even after throwing in a 400MHz G3 and Rage 128, my system would be up to that task. If it makes a difference, I have no intent on ever running Mac OS X on this machine, so we're looking at the pre-OS X versions of Apple DVD Player. What do you think? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Thanks John & Felix. I think I can probably use Time Machine (from an external backup drive) to restore the disks if I have to repartition them. I used TM that way before when an internal drive died and it restored the replacement exactly, though it took a long time. Regards, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bug Reporting
On 17/11/2010, at 12:59 PM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2010/11/16 15:13, Dan so eloquently wrote: >> And keep around full documentation to the bug - text files, screen >> shots, etc. Be prepared to hear little to nothing from Apple for days, >> weeks, or even months. Then, when you do get a reply, realize it's a >> horrible automated system, where the actual developer response is >> "filtered" thru a front-end human with an IQ of 5. It will ask you to >> repeat information over and over - just to see if it can make you go >> away. IMO, the worst bug reporting system I've ever used. G'luck. > > Sounds like I might have better luck just emailing Steve, so I guess I > shouldn't hold my breath. Why am I not surprised? > > Tina G'day Tina My experience has been the opposite of Dans. I've reported 6 bugs over the years, and been asked for further details with 3 of the reports, once on each occasion. The correct procedure is to be thorough in your initial preparation. I prepared a pdf of the exact procedure required to trigger the bug (with screen shots if required), as well as any script and procedure for using the script. One incident was an extremely elaborate setup, and I got a reply querying a point I had not explained fully. One was a script procedure involving Numbers that totally wiped the Script Editor from the boot drive, which also got a response and was fixed in the next release). All these I wrapped in a folder and zipped, and attached to the report. In the actual report I entered a brief resumé of the bug, and simply said 'Read the attached pdf'. Don't be put off by others bad experiences. Apple needs bug feedback, and if you want bad experiences, talk to windows programmers who have tried to lodge bug reports. I might be a bit fortunate, I'm an ex technical instructor who's written manuals that must be clear and concise. If you can do the same, I don't think Apple Engineers will be a hassle. Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bug Reporting
On 2010/11/16 15:13, Dan so eloquently wrote: And keep around full documentation to the bug - text files, screen shots, etc. Be prepared to hear little to nothing from Apple for days, weeks, or even months. Then, when you do get a reply, realize it's a horrible automated system, where the actual developer response is "filtered" thru a front-end human with an IQ of 5. It will ask you to repeat information over and over - just to see if it can make you go away. IMO, the worst bug reporting system I've ever used. G'luck. Sounds like I might have better luck just emailing Steve, so I guess I shouldn't hold my breath. Why am I not surprised? Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15" HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Zone setting ???
On 2010/11/16 07:22, Charles Davis so eloquently wrote: Yeah!! Wracking the brain to remember the keystrokes --- it's been a while since I needed to try that. [Apple-Option-"P"- "R" hold for three or more chimes!!] OR [Ctrl-Option-"P"-"R" hold fore multiple chimed] One of those will do the trick, and I ca remember it for a few months!! Just do what I do and keep a list of all bootup keyboard shortcuts in a document on the Mac in question so that you can't access without them without booting up. Works like a charm to frustrate you every time! Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15" HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bug Reporting
At 7:48 AM +1100 11/17/2010, Brian Christmas wrote: How do you report a bug to Apple? https://bugreport.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/RadarWeb.woa/wa/signIn You need to be an Apple Developer tho'. It's a frebie And keep around full documentation to the bug - text files, screen shots, etc. Be prepared to hear little to nothing from Apple for days, weeks, or even months. Then, when you do get a reply, realize it's a horrible automated system, where the actual developer response is "filtered" thru a front-end human with an IQ of 5. It will ask you to repeat information over and over - just to see if it can make you go away. IMO, the worst bug reporting system I've ever used. G'luck. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Machine on Carbonite?
At 4:25 PM -0800 11/13/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Does any one know if Time Machine can be used on a service like the "Carbonite" off site backup service. No. Services such as Carbonite use a proprietary interface into their cloud. AFAIK, Time Machine requires a locally connected or an AFP accessible HFS+ volume. also do these services back up a bootable drive similar to CCC? No. And neither does Time Machine. CCC works quite well, over the 'net, btw... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bug Reporting
On 17/11/2010, at 3:15 AM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2010/11/16 09:12, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: >> I'd report this as a bug to Apple > > I've tried to report bugs in security updates but I could never find a PoC. > How do you report a bug to Apple? > > Tina G'day Tina https://bugreport.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/RadarWeb.woa/wa/signIn You need to be an Apple Developer tho'. It's a frebie Regards Santa And what, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this.. Existence that multiplied itself For sheer delight of being And plunged with numberless trillions of forms So that it might find itself innumerably Sri Aurobindo -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Zone setting ???
Yeah!! Wracking the brain to remember the keystrokes --- it's been a while since I needed to try that. [Apple-Option-"P"- "R" hold for three or more chimes!!] OR [Ctrl-Option-"P"-"R" hold fore multiple chimed] One of those will do the trick, and I ca remember it for a few months!! ;-) Chuck D. On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Charles Davis wrote: That does NOT sound that far from possible. Although the battery isn't more than a couple of years old at the worst. I'll try that. Thanks. Chuck On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Leopard X.5.8 --- MDD dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 2GB RAM System Preference/ System/ Date & Time can set everything, The PROBLEM, the Time Zone jumps back to GMT, even when things are 'Locked to prevent changes' [The 'on screen' clock is correct, but the 'Time Zone' doesn't stay set. Any ideas? Chuck D . time to change that PRAM battery. just my guess... Jeff Also, you might want to do a PRAM reset too (ya, you probably thought of that already:-) Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
-- Original message -- Subject: B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . . Date:Dienstag 16 November 2010N From:Yersinia To: "G-List" > The current running thread about Yosemite B&W upgrades made me wonder if > MY B&W was also a Yosemite. I never knew its "codename" for sure like I > did my old G3 Beige desktop, the Gossamer. My B&W is the 450 MHz one, > and Everymac.com says it's "based on Yosemite architecture" but doesn't > say anything else or specify outright that it's actually a Yosemite. So > do any of you know: is it a Yosemite, or isn't it? And if it isn't, what > is it, and can someone please tell me where do we go to find out these > things? I thought Everymac.com was the place for this and can't believe > I couldn't find this out from there. I've found this codename on the information page of OnyX for Tiger. The Leopard version dropped this information though. http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english.html It was shown as “Yosemite, Yosemite 1.5 and Silk” – I just assumed, since I have the very first incarnation of the G3 B&W that it is the Yosemite. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD, Webcam, Pix, and Images: why are they soooo different
On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: DVD's are encoded via MPEG2, which is an asymmetric codec: it's significantly less computationally intensive to decode versus encode. (this is how it was developed to be, to allow cheap DVD players. Also why it takes iDVD all night to encode a hour's video to DVD on a G4 with a 1Gig CPU and a gig of ram.) Indeed so, and possibly why there are badly-authored versions of apparently identical movies out there. Sometimes just the menu is bad. Other times the movie itself is bad. Either way, the player or the application is going to have trouble. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
On 2010/11/14 22:57, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote: iTunes 10 is not Tiger compatible AKAIK. So Apple finally did do something for Tiger users… :-p Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15" HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD, Webcam, Pix, and Images: why are they soooo different
On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: > DVD, Webcam, Pix, and Images: why are they s different > > I continue to delve into the various differences on my several Mac > presentations. > > When viewing a DVD, even in FULL SCREEN presentation, the picture is perfect, > not a pause or flicker to be found. When I view a "canned video" downloaded > from the internet and presented in Quicktime, Real, or Windows Media, we have > pauses and disruptions even at small sizes. DVD's are encoded via MPEG2, which is an asymmetric codec: it's significantly less computationally intensive to decode versus encode. (this is how it was developed to be, to allow cheap DVD players. Also why it takes iDVD all night to encode a hour's video to DVD on a G4 with a 1Gig CPU and a gig of ram.) The other files you are viewing are encoded differently, and require more computational effort to decode. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Bug Reporting
On 2010/11/16 09:12, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: I'd report this as a bug to Apple I've tried to report bugs in security updates but I could never find a PoC. How do you report a bug to Apple? Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15" HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Drag and Drop in eMail
On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:36 PM, gifutiger wrote: > However in OS X 10.6.4 eMail 4.3, the drag and drop doesn't work. > Does anyone else on this list use the drag and drop feature in eMail? > If so does it work and is there some flag that I've missed setting? > > I've compared my eMail 3.6 on my G4 against eMail 4.3 on my MacBook > and can not find any differences. Well, I'll be, you're right...it appears to not work. I'd report this as a bug to Apple; this is not something I'd think they'd drop for a reason, particularly between minor-number system updates. (They DO read their bug reports...one I reported for iPhoto got a response from a developer saying they were aware of it and pointing to the correct bug report to follow up) It has nothing to do with your email account; this is behavior mediated by system libraries. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
On Nov 16, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
A 450MHz B&W is shown there along with the 300 and up ...
"Yosemite, Yosemite 1.5 and Silk" names
The B&W was made in three different variations, using two different
cases and two different motherboards.
1) First version (possibly Yosemite): first case version (single
removable hard drive tray), first motherboard version (non-"402" ATA
chip, slave HD drive didn't work)
2) Second version (possibly Yosemite 1.5): first case version (single
removable hard drive tray), second motherboard version ("402" ATA
chip, slave HD drive worked, but no place for second HD drive)
3) Third version (possibly Silk): second case version (individually
removable hard drive trays including a two-high tray for ATA HDs),
second motherboard version ("402" ATA chip, slave HD drive worked)
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Re: B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Yersinia wrote: Hi Listers, The current running thread about Yosemite B&W upgrades made me wonder if MY B&W was also a Yosemite. I never knew its "codename" for sure like I did my old G3 Beige desktop, the Gossamer. My B&W is the 450 MHz one, and Everymac.com says it's "based on Yosemite architecture" but doesn't say anything else or specify outright that it's actually a Yosemite. So do any of you know: is it a Yosemite, or isn't it? And if it isn't, what is it, and can someone please tell me where do we go to find out these things? I thought Everymac.com was the place for this and can't believe I couldn't find this out from there. Have you tried Mactracker? A 450MHz B&W is shown there along with the 300 and up ... "Yosemite, Yosemite 1.5 and Silk" names http://www.mactracker.ca/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:19 AM, Yersinia wrote: > Hi Listers, > > The current running thread about Yosemite B&W upgrades made me wonder if MY > B&W was also a Yosemite. I never knew its "codename" for sure like I did my > old G3 Beige desktop, the Gossamer. My B&W is the 450 MHz one, and > Everymac.com says it's "based on Yosemite architecture" but doesn't say > anything else or specify outright that it's actually a Yosemite. So do any of > you know: is it a Yosemite, or isn't it? And if it isn't, what is it, and can > someone please tell me where do we go to find out these things? I thought > Everymac.com was the place for this and can't believe I couldn't find this > out from there. > > Thanks! > > ~Yersinia. > I think you'll find that info on Mactracker.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 PM temps
On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/11/13 11:48, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote: Now that all's well on my PM G5 Dual 2.7 with new heat sink I want to know what to think about temp ranges on the CPU's. The limit says 181.4F they are running at 141.F to 162.F CPU A is currently running at 52° C, and CPU B is at 62° C with a 100% load each and an ambient temperature of 16° C. I hope this is somewhat useful to you even though our PMs are not the same. Tina The only time my PM G5 Dual 2.7 runs as cool as 52° C is in sleep mode. AFAICT at full load 80° to 82° C is what I'm getting. I think this was the reason for the water pumper heat sink. But I have 5 SATA drives with a total of ten TB's I think if I remove the three in the front fan bay it may drop the temp some but then back to externals all over the place.:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: > On Nov 14, 7:57 pm, Kris Tilford wrote: >> I think it's a Toast plugin causing the problem. >> Why not burn directly within iTunes? >> Why not upgrade iTunes to 10.1? > > I too wondered about this Consul log entry, Kris, since I AM trying to > burn directly from iTunes. > i.e. select playlist / burnplaylist (button at bottom right) > > is iTunes 10.1 Tiger compatible? > > You know, I haven't burned a CD for awhile so not sure if immediately > previous activity is relevant; > but, for the record... > > A friend, who has gone Intel, gave me his 12" PB G4 that he could not > boot after HD replacement. > I got it running and set up a local LAN profile. > Naively (read "unthinking) I gave the PB the same "user name" as my > Mini. > The Mini didn't like that, so I changed the PB name. > > Next project was CD burn and all the trouble. > > Cliff iTunes 10 is not Tiger compatible AKAIK. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Dual processors not bad?
On Nov 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Andy wrote: >> Off topic, but I filled my coolant system with this oil that doesn't harm >> the components inside. > Can you provide detailed instructions on the refilling process.? Also where do you buy the O-rings and the coolant? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Dual processors not bad?
On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:15 AM, ah...clem wrote: > On Nov 12, 11:51 pm, John Carmonne wrote: > >> I got ASD 2.5.7 and upon booting and selecting the Thermal calibration is >> says calibration not needed. And It will not allow the initiation of the >> calibration operation, however the ASD 2.5.8 says not needed but will let me >> try anyway. So I think that the 2.5.8 may produce a false reading if >> calibration is not needed. And again the "OS" and "OF" passed all two hours >> of it :-) >> > > what exactly did the ASD report as the specific test failed when it > said the processor needed replaced? > > As I remember tafs out of range replace processor. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA >From PM G5 Dual 2.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Tom wrote: > Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move > up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll > have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to > just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, > and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower > man, then. > > As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some > flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be > problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my > way up to 10.6 gradually. > > Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro > from another; Bruce up above mentions a "second generation" of them, > and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor > stuff. > > But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a > "second generation" 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around > $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro > that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too > much for the money? I would strongly recommend 10.5.8 till you really need Snow Leopard. I have both so I'm not saying this sideways.:-) Snow Leopard can lock you out off Intuit programs that run on Intel and PPC have so be careful of that I found out the hard way. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 RAM in a Mac Pro
Will RAM from a G5 work in a Mac Pro? I guess it's slower? thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
B&W: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
Hi Listers, The current running thread about Yosemite B&W upgrades made me wonder if MY B&W was also a Yosemite. I never knew its "codename" for sure like I did my old G3 Beige desktop, the Gossamer. My B&W is the 450 MHz one, and Everymac.com says it's "based on Yosemite architecture" but doesn't say anything else or specify outright that it's actually a Yosemite. So do any of you know: is it a Yosemite, or isn't it? And if it isn't, what is it, and can someone please tell me where do we go to find out these things? I thought Everymac.com was the place for this and can't believe I couldn't find this out from there. Thanks! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yosemite G3 issues, upgrade questions and Tiger startup script
Thanks! The fan thing is normal then. That at least makes my Yosemate act like normal. The G3 (750) optimized builds of Firefox and Camino work correctly for me. Don't know about the performance they used to have. And yes, forgot to clearly mention, I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.11 with latest security fixes. PCI Extreme only up to 10.4.3? Oh dear! I agree that spending valued money for a CPU upgrade may not be worth it. I'll at least try the PCI Radeon 9250 upgrade then. Thanks for the hint to use Automator. I'll give it a try. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Yosemite G3 issues, upgrade questions and Tiger startup script Date:Dienstag 16 November 2010N From:Mike Linnett To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" > Howdy, I don't know enough to answer everything, but: > > The fans on all my smurfs stay on when asleep, agreed, this is annoying! > I assume you're running tiger? Camino has been acting up for me lately, and > even the optimised build seems slower than safari, which never used to be > the case! I'd carefully consider spending money on upgrades at this point. > If you already have the parts, or can get them VERY cheaply, then go for > it! I'd be interested in the gpu upgrade too. As far as I'm aware, if > it'll physically fit into the logicboard, the CPU should work, but might > need firmware update. Again, from memory, pci extreme support stops even > earlier, at like 10.4.3, or something, which is a shame, otherwise I > believe anything over a 9200 supports core image. Automator (started with > osx in 10.4), could help with your script thing. I've not used it much, > but you can probably tell it to launch terminal, run your script, then > quit terminal? > > Good luck dude, I'm a pretty big fan of the Blue+White G3! > > Mike > > On 16 Nov 2010, at 11:27, "Mac User #330250" wrote: > > Hi there! > > > > ### > > # Specs: > > # Apple Power Mac G3 Blue & White (Codename “Yosemite”) > > #PowerMac1,1 > > #Rev.1 system board (faulty CMD646 IDE chipset!) > > # 350 MHz G3 (PowerPC 750) > > # 1.0 GB of PC100 SDRAM > > # 32GB CF drive as main boot drive (using a CF-to-IDE adapter) > > # ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card > > # USB 2.0 PCI expansion card > > #http://lowendmac.com/ppc/blue-white-power-mac-g3.html > > #http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_350_ > > bl.html ### > > I'm now running this “Yosemite” at work for some time now. I'm really > > satisfied. Only some things concern me: > > > > 1) When I disconnect the USB keyboard (plus Mouse, which is connected to > > the USB 1.1 Hub of the keyboard) right after I locked the screen, I am > > unable to log in again. It will refuse to re-activate the USB > > keyboard+mouse once reattacted to the USB 1.1 port of my G3 B&W. > > > > 2) Putting it to standby is strange: > > a) it goes into standby alright, but the fans remain on. Waking up is > > > > working correctly. > > > > b) after standby-wakeup it will not shut down correctly, meaning: it > > hangs > > > > forever on shutdown > > > > 3) I noticed that the standard builds of Mozilla Firefox and Camino (at > > least) keep crashing regularly. I then tried the optimized builds > > mentioned here: http://lowendmac.com/tech/optimized-builds.html > > > > Firefox: http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/ > > Camino: http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/ > > > > 4) Strangest thing: I have a USB 2.0 PCI expansion card installed (NEC > > chip). When I have an external USB 2.0 hub connected AND this hub is > > then also powered with a seperate +5V power supply to be able to give > > full USB power to connected devices (such as external 2.5 inch hard > > disks) IT DOES NOT power up. But when this external +5V power supply is > > disconnected it starts normally. I can then reconnect the power supply > > to use more than one external 2.5 inch hard drive. > > > > 5) When the system is very busy and I enter something (like the login > > password) and press enter, all keys are stored and processed later, > > except for the Enter/Return keys. This is a good behaviour of Mac OS X, > > only that my G3 is very often very busy and it can be annoying > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > I'd like to know your thoughts on these issues. > > > > > > > > Additionally, about upgrade options: > > > > 1) Which CPU G3/G4 ZIF upgrade should I consider? I've seen a G4 800 MHz > > ZIF card lately that doesn't use fans, so it would be very silent. Isn't > > there a MHz limit on the early G3 Rev.1 boards such as mine? (>500 MHz > > is vaguely poping up in my head) > > > > 2) PCI graphics card: I have a PC card version of a Radeon 9250 PCI. I'm > > looking for modifying it for the Mac, like found here: > > http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9250-trick > > Have any of you tried that already? Will it work? > > > > 3) What about getting Quartz Extreme working? PCI-Extreme or something
Re: Yosemite G3 issues, upgrade questions and Tiger startup script
Howdy, I don't know enough to answer everything, but: The fans on all my smurfs stay on when asleep, agreed, this is annoying! I assume you're running tiger? Camino has been acting up for me lately, and even the optimised build seems slower than safari, which never used to be the case! I'd carefully consider spending money on upgrades at this point. If you already have the parts, or can get them VERY cheaply, then go for it! I'd be interested in the gpu upgrade too. As far as I'm aware, if it'll physically fit into the logicboard, the CPU should work, but might need firmware update. Again, from memory, pci extreme support stops even earlier, at like 10.4.3, or something, which is a shame, otherwise I believe anything over a 9200 supports core image. Automator (started with osx in 10.4), could help with your script thing. I've not used it much, but you can probably tell it to launch terminal, run your script, then quit terminal? Good luck dude, I'm a pretty big fan of the Blue+White G3! Mike On 16 Nov 2010, at 11:27, "Mac User #330250" wrote: > Hi there! > > ### > # Specs: > # Apple Power Mac G3 Blue & White (Codename “Yosemite”) > #PowerMac1,1 > #Rev.1 system board (faulty CMD646 IDE chipset!) > # 350 MHz G3 (PowerPC 750) > # 1.0 GB of PC100 SDRAM > # 32GB CF drive as main boot drive (using a CF-to-IDE adapter) > # ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card > # USB 2.0 PCI expansion card > #http://lowendmac.com/ppc/blue-white-power-mac-g3.html > #http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_350_bl.html > ### > I'm now running this “Yosemite” at work for some time now. I'm really > satisfied. Only some things concern me: > > 1) When I disconnect the USB keyboard (plus Mouse, which is connected to the > USB 1.1 Hub of the keyboard) right after I locked the screen, I am unable to > log in again. It will refuse to re-activate the USB keyboard+mouse once > reattacted to the USB 1.1 port of my G3 B&W. > > 2) Putting it to standby is strange: > a) it goes into standby alright, but the fans remain on. Waking up is > working correctly. > b) after standby-wakeup it will not shut down correctly, meaning: it hangs > forever on shutdown > > 3) I noticed that the standard builds of Mozilla Firefox and Camino (at > least) > keep crashing regularly. I then tried the optimized builds mentioned here: > http://lowendmac.com/tech/optimized-builds.html > > Firefox: http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/ > Camino: http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/ > > 4) Strangest thing: I have a USB 2.0 PCI expansion card installed (NEC chip). > When I have an external USB 2.0 hub connected AND this hub is then also > powered with a seperate +5V power supply to be able to give full USB power to > connected devices (such as external 2.5 inch hard disks) IT DOES NOT power > up. > But when this external +5V power supply is disconnected it starts normally. I > can then reconnect the power supply to use more than one external 2.5 inch > hard drive. > > 5) When the system is very busy and I enter something (like the login > password) and press enter, all keys are stored and processed later, except > for > the Enter/Return keys. This is a good behaviour of Mac OS X, only that my G3 > is very often very busy and it can be annoying sometimes. > > > > I'd like to know your thoughts on these issues. > > > > Additionally, about upgrade options: > > 1) Which CPU G3/G4 ZIF upgrade should I consider? I've seen a G4 800 MHz ZIF > card lately that doesn't use fans, so it would be very silent. Isn't there a > MHz limit on the early G3 Rev.1 boards such as mine? (>500 MHz is vaguely > poping up in my head) > > 2) PCI graphics card: I have a PC card version of a Radeon 9250 PCI. I'm > looking for modifying it for the Mac, like found here: > http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9250-trick > Have any of you tried that already? Will it work? > > 3) What about getting Quartz Extreme working? PCI-Extreme or something? Does > it work with Mac OS X 10.4.11 also (I've read somewhere it works up to 10.4.8 > only…)? > > 4) What about Core Image? I fear a Radeon 9250 won't support it. Is it > important? > > > > I'm glad about every help I can get with upgrade decissions… > > > > I also have a problem with a startup script – that is, I want to add a > personal startup script, but don't know how. > > 1) I made a shell script, originally myscript.sh, that I want to be executed > after each login. I found that renaming it to myscript.command and adding it > to start objects of my user in the control panel works, but also always opens > the Terminal application and leaves it open therafter. Isn't there a better > way? > > > > Thanks in advance, > Andreas aka Mac User #330250 > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. >
Yosemite G3 issues, upgrade questions and Tiger startup script
Hi there! ### # Specs: # Apple Power Mac G3 Blue & White (Codename “Yosemite”) #PowerMac1,1 #Rev.1 system board (faulty CMD646 IDE chipset!) # 350 MHz G3 (PowerPC 750) # 1.0 GB of PC100 SDRAM # 32GB CF drive as main boot drive (using a CF-to-IDE adapter) # ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card # USB 2.0 PCI expansion card #http://lowendmac.com/ppc/blue-white-power-mac-g3.html #http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_350_bl.html ### I'm now running this “Yosemite” at work for some time now. I'm really satisfied. Only some things concern me: 1) When I disconnect the USB keyboard (plus Mouse, which is connected to the USB 1.1 Hub of the keyboard) right after I locked the screen, I am unable to log in again. It will refuse to re-activate the USB keyboard+mouse once reattacted to the USB 1.1 port of my G3 B&W. 2) Putting it to standby is strange: a) it goes into standby alright, but the fans remain on. Waking up is working correctly. b) after standby-wakeup it will not shut down correctly, meaning: it hangs forever on shutdown 3) I noticed that the standard builds of Mozilla Firefox and Camino (at least) keep crashing regularly. I then tried the optimized builds mentioned here: http://lowendmac.com/tech/optimized-builds.html Firefox: http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/ Camino: http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/ 4) Strangest thing: I have a USB 2.0 PCI expansion card installed (NEC chip). When I have an external USB 2.0 hub connected AND this hub is then also powered with a seperate +5V power supply to be able to give full USB power to connected devices (such as external 2.5 inch hard disks) IT DOES NOT power up. But when this external +5V power supply is disconnected it starts normally. I can then reconnect the power supply to use more than one external 2.5 inch hard drive. 5) When the system is very busy and I enter something (like the login password) and press enter, all keys are stored and processed later, except for the Enter/Return keys. This is a good behaviour of Mac OS X, only that my G3 is very often very busy and it can be annoying sometimes. I'd like to know your thoughts on these issues. Additionally, about upgrade options: 1) Which CPU G3/G4 ZIF upgrade should I consider? I've seen a G4 800 MHz ZIF card lately that doesn't use fans, so it would be very silent. Isn't there a MHz limit on the early G3 Rev.1 boards such as mine? (>500 MHz is vaguely poping up in my head) 2) PCI graphics card: I have a PC card version of a Radeon 9250 PCI. I'm looking for modifying it for the Mac, like found here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9250-trick Have any of you tried that already? Will it work? 3) What about getting Quartz Extreme working? PCI-Extreme or something? Does it work with Mac OS X 10.4.11 also (I've read somewhere it works up to 10.4.8 only…)? 4) What about Core Image? I fear a Radeon 9250 won't support it. Is it important? I'm glad about every help I can get with upgrade decissions… I also have a problem with a startup script – that is, I want to add a personal startup script, but don't know how. 1) I made a shell script, originally myscript.sh, that I want to be executed after each login. I found that renaming it to myscript.command and adding it to start objects of my user in the control panel works, but also always opens the Terminal application and leaves it open therafter. Isn't there a better way? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
