Re: reusing my thesis
Thanks but this doesn't work for me and this file: the error message is Word cannot open this document. The document might be in use, the document might not be a valid Word document, or the file name might contain invalid characters (for example, \ /). (V4 MSW.doc) Bruce On 28 Oct 2013, at 06:02, Beniamino Cenci Goga ben...@gmail.com wrote: This is not correct: as I wrote in my previous comment, Word 2011 fir Mac dies open old Word 4 files, but not via the double click. You need to open the file from the File: Open menu. Ben Sent from my iPad On 22/ott/2013, at 15:47, Guy Plunkett III g...@charter.net wrote: So the Windows version will open old Mac documents, but the Mac version won't!? On 10/21/13, Bruce Ryan wrote: Hi G-list Thank you for all replies and thoughts. A G-lister offered to sort it for me by on his old macs and their corresponding versions of Word. But the answer was even simpler: 2 minutes later, he emailed 'I just tried it on my work computer running Windows 7 and Word 2010, it opened fine, and I saved it as the 97-2003 version. Here you go.' So huge thanks to him and raspberry to me - I have a Windows 7 VM, with Office 2010 on my Mac Pro. It just worked! (Once I'd sorted the trust centre settings.) Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: reusing my thesis
Hi Peter My thesis dates from 1996 and I'm no longer at that university. Scanning 250 would be a major task. Also, while I want to see the difference between chemistry research language at that time and current social informatics research language, I have a notion to lay out my thesis attractively, using InDesign. For that, I'd need the content in electronic format. Correcting OCRed files would be a major pain - there is page after page of stuff like the below cheers Bruce d Preparation of ylides i Preparation of [(ethanesulphinyl)ethoxycarbonylmethylene]triphenyl phosphorane 248 (Ethoxycarbonylmethylene)triphenylphosphorane 245 (12.4 g, 35 mmol) was stirred in dry toluene (100 ml) at 0°C under nitrogen. Ethanesulphinyl chloride (1.9 g, 17 mmol) in dry toluene (10 ml) was added and the mixture was stirred for 12 h. The mixture was filtered and evaporation and trituration with ethyl acetate (5 ml) gave yellow cubes of slightly impure [(ethanesulphinyl)ethoxycarbonylmethylene]triphenylphosphorane 248 (1.2 g, 16%). m.p. 141–2°C (Found: C, 69.4; H, 5.9; m/z = 408.1307. C24H25O3PS requires C, 67.9; H, 5.9%; M+ – O, 408.1313); dP +27.5 (120) [impurities +22.1 (7) and 18.7 (3)]; dH (80 MHz) 7.4–8.0 (15H, m), 4.05 (2H, q, J = 7 Hz, OCH2), 2.25 (2H, q of d, J = 7 Hz, JP = 2 Hz, SCH2), 0.95 (3H, t, J = 7 Hz, OCH2CH3) and 0.9–1.0 (3H, br s, SCH2CH3) [minor impurities 4.0–4.4 (m) and 1.2–1.4 (m)]; dC (75 MHz) 172.2 (C=O), 133.8 (6C, d, 2JP = 10 Hz), 131.7 (3C, d, 4JP = 2 Hz), 130.8 (3C, 4ry, 1JP = 58 Hz), 128.3 (6C, d, 3JP = 12 Hz), 58.6 (OCH2), 37.0 (d, J = 120 Hz), 33.1 (SCH2), 13.9 (OCH2CH3) and 13.4; nmax 3040, 2970, 2920, 1640, 1595, 1482, 1436, 1365, 1230, 1190, 1170, 1100, 1070 and 865 cm–1; m/z 408 (M+ – O, 45%), 379 (100), 301 (7), 277 (8), 262 (37), 183 (38), 152 (5), 108 (14) and 77(4). On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:58, peter pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: Glad you got it sorted, but couldn't your university's library just scanned it and e-mailed it to you??? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: reusing my thesis
Sorry, that should have been 'Scanning 250 pages would be a major pain.' Bruce On 27 Oct 2013, at 16:13, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote: Hi Peter My thesis dates from 1996 and I'm no longer at that university. Scanning 250 would be a major task. Also, while I want to see the difference between chemistry research language at that time and current social informatics research language, I have a notion to lay out my thesis attractively, using InDesign. For that, I'd need the content in electronic format. Correcting OCRed files would be a major pain - there is page after page of stuff like the below cheers Bruce d Preparation of ylides i Preparation of [(ethanesulphinyl)ethoxycarbonylmethylene]triphenyl phosphorane 248 (Ethoxycarbonylmethylene)triphenylphosphorane 245 (12.4 g, 35 mmol) was stirred in dry toluene (100 ml) at 0°C under nitrogen. Ethanesulphinyl chloride (1.9 g, 17 mmol) in dry toluene (10 ml) was added and the mixture was stirred for 12 h. The mixture was filtered and evaporation and trituration with ethyl acetate (5 ml) gave yellow cubes of slightly impure [(ethanesulphinyl)ethoxycarbonylmethylene]triphenylphosphorane 248 (1.2 g, 16%). m.p. 141–2°C (Found: C, 69.4; H, 5.9; m/z = 408.1307. C24H25O3PS requires C, 67.9; H, 5.9%; M+ – O, 408.1313); dP +27.5 (120) [impurities +22.1 (7) and 18.7 (3)]; dH (80 MHz) 7.4–8.0 (15H, m), 4.05 (2H, q, J = 7 Hz, OCH2), 2.25 (2H, q of d, J = 7 Hz, JP = 2 Hz, SCH2), 0.95 (3H, t, J = 7 Hz, OCH2CH3) and 0.9–1.0 (3H, br s, SCH2CH3) [minor impurities 4.0–4.4 (m) and 1.2–1.4 (m)]; dC (75 MHz) 172.2 (C=O), 133.8 (6C, d, 2JP = 10 Hz), 131.7 (3C, d, 4JP = 2 Hz), 130.8 (3C, 4ry, 1JP = 58 Hz), 128.3 (6C, d, 3JP = 12 Hz), 58.6 (OCH2), 37.0 (d, J = 120 Hz), 33.1 (SCH2), 13.9 (OCH2CH3) and 13.4; nmax 3040, 2970, 2920, 1640, 1595, 1482, 1436, 1365, 1230, 1190, 1170, 1100, 1070 and 865 cm–1; m/z 408 (M+ – O, 45%), 379 (100), 301 (7), 277 (8), 262 (37), 183 (38), 152 (5), 108 (14) and 77(4). On 27 Oct 2013, at 15:58, peter pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: Glad you got it sorted, but couldn't your university's library just scanned it and e-mailed it to you??? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
reusing my thesis
Hi g-listers My PhD thesis dates from 1996 and was created in MS Word 4 or 5. I've just had reason to look at this ancient history but can't do so satisfactorily. It doesn't open in my current version of Word (mac:2011). It will open in TextEdit: the text appears to be complete, as far as I can see, but the illustrations and indices to the footnotes (the references*) are gone, and there's a load of unreadable stuff following the text. *Chemistry at the time didn't use author-date/inline references. I can rescue the illustrations: they were created in ChemDraw 3 on one of my old macs, saved the files as EPS, copied them to my main mac and got the bits I need in Illustrator CS5. But I want to be sure where each one goes if I have to rebuild the thesis from the text rescued with TextEdit So, is there any way of opening the Word file. I have floppy-disk installers for MS Word 4 but my USB floppy drive won't read them. The hardware I have is 2008 Mac Pro running 10·8·5, with Adobe Creative Suite 5 and 5·5, and Office Mac 2011. 2010 MacBook Air running 10·8·5 - software as above Dell mini 10V running 10·6 Powerbook G4 1GHz running 10·5, 10·4, 10·2 and 9·2. The 9·2 installation has PageMaker 6·5, InDesign 2 and ChemDraw 3 Powerbook G3 Pismo running 10·4·11 I guess the most likely route is to find an old mac with a built-in floppy drive, then install Word 4 on it. Then I could open the file for the thesis and use this to rebuild a version in a modern version of Word or InDesign. But I'm not so keep to buy yet another old mac just for this purpose. Can anyone suggest anything better, pretty please? thanks indeed Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: reusing my thesis
Hi Andreas IIRC, the file dates from 1996 - around the time of mac classic and Mac II. Someone has offered to translate the file into a modern version of Word. If that fails, I will try to find Office 2001, which is more likely to be on a CD and thus avoid the floppy-drive blues. The PITA is that my floppy drive won't read by 800K Word 4 installer floppies. Absolutely agree about output to PDF - if only I'd known in 1996. thanks indeed Bruce On 21 Oct 2013, at 17:51, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: reusing my thesis Date:Monday, 21. October 2013 From:Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com So, is there any way of opening the Word file. Word 4… sounds like this is a Mac OS 7/8/9 Application. The best way is propably to try opening it with Office:mac 2001 or so because this should be able to read your files correctly. And if you then save it in the new format, you may be able to open it using Office:mac 2011… What I would do is to install Word 4/5 inside Classic on, say, the G3 Prismo or on 9.2 on the PowerBook G3. Printing/Saving files as PDF is always a good idea, as is saving it in a standard format like RTF and RTFD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format_Directory Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: reusing my thesis
Hi G-list Thank you for all replies and thoughts. A G-lister offered to sort it for me by on his old macs and their corresponding versions of Word. But the answer was even simpler: 2 minutes later, he emailed 'I just tried it on my work computer running Windows 7 and Word 2010, it opened fine, and I saved it as the 97-2003 version. Here you go.' So huge thanks to him and raspberry to me - I have a Windows 7 VM, with Office 2010 on my Mac Pro. It just worked! (Once I'd sorted the trust centre settings.) Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Upgrade to what
Hi Don From experience I'd look for a Core2Duo machine from 2008 or thereby. Whether you go desktop or laptop is your call. (I guess it will depend on what you can afford and what's available.) But my 2008 17 MacBookPro (2·6 GHz, 4GB RAM, the last of the pre-unibody ones) handled Quark 7 and Adobe CS3 just fine. The motherboard died just after the warranty ran out - and I've seen a few other go this way too. So I'd not be so keen on buying a laptop of that vintage again. Everymac has a page showing the highest OSes various macs can take (http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/maximum-macos-supported.html). So maybe look through that and see which form-factor (laptop, desktop, mini, iMac etc) suits you best. Then go for the most recent or most affordable of those? Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of your software as and when you want or can afford to. Good luck with the upgrade Bruce On 8 Jun 2013, at 15:13, Don Wakefield dtp...@yahoo.com wrote: My eMac which is limited to Leopard is really showing signs of age and I will be needing to retire it before long. My problem is that I have far too many PPC applications (Quark 8, CS 3 everything, etc) which would be cost prohibited and in the Adobe family impossible to upgrade to current boxed versions. I think, but tell me if I am wrong, that Snow Leopard is the highest OS which will still offer Rosetta, and that would allow me to still take advantage of my existing software. My question is: What machine version, (iMac or portable) even if it had to dual boot, would both give me the ability to use Rosetta for the old apps and offer the most improved speed and functionality for the future? Don Wakefield DTPetc! (DeskTop Productions et cetera!) Ballwin, Missouri, USA -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Upgrade to what
Hi Andreas Thank you! This eases my until-now vaguely guilty conscience. I run Leopard and Snow leopard VMs under VirtualBox on my MacPro (which runs MountainLion). The MacPro came with SnowLeopard but I bought upgrades to Lion and then MountainLion via the app store. I installed the VMs from separately-bought DVDs so I felt free entirely to use the separately-bought installers elsewhere, because I'd be using each installer only once. However, I had read that it wasn't legal to use macOS in virtual setups. Not that this stopped me - I had bought the license to use the software. So long as I used each installer/licence in only one place at any time, then it felt legitimate to use it whereever I wanted. (Just as if I buy a washing machine, I can install it in whatever room I like.) End of waffle Bruce On 8 Jun 2013, at 16:58, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of your software as and when you want or can afford to. Actually it is legal. It is legal to run Mac OS X under a real Mac, provided you acquired a license to do so. This means that you have to buy Snow Leopard in addition to the Mac that comes with e.g. Lion or Montain Lion. A downgrade-option or some kind of automatic agreement to run Snow Leopard virtually under a newer version of OS X does not exist. So, what is legal? 1) Get a modern Mac with Lion or newer. 2) Get Mac OS X 10.6. 3) Install it virtually on a Mac. (VirtualBox for example, which is free) 4) Run your PowerPC Mac OS X applications on Rosetta of your virtualized Snow Leopard. BTW, you could also virtually run Leopard or Tiger/Intel for that cause. FYI starting from Lion it actually IS legal to virtualize it on a Mac as a second free license. So, if you have a Mac that came with Lion, it is legal to virtually install Lion a second time (on the same Mac, inside a Virtual Machine). But this right did not exist under Snow Leopard and prior versions of OS X. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
I hate to use the G word here, but Google sketchup's Layout product is prety good for 2D CAD on a budget as well. Thanks! Looks very cool to this non-draftsman - I've forwarded the link to my dad. cheers Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Thanks Robert - the only G3 in our family is my ever-loving Pismo web server. The machine my dad is using is a brand-new mac mini (base model) running the latest version of Mountain Lion cheers Bruce On 27 Mar 2013, at 15:55, ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net wrote: You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk. Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for years until My G3 Quicksilver and OS10.4.8. Really miss it at times. I could use it for nearly anything. ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174 ver. 3.5 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html RHB On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote: Hi folks I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents. So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental functions have changed since then.) thanks indeed Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Hi folks I'm sticking with Illustrator CS3 for my dad because 1) I've got it (In fact it's superfluous - I work in CS5 and CS5.5) 2) He's an engineer and draftsman, so needs a vector package to enable very fine-grained control. cheers Bruce On 27 Mar 2013, at 17:55, Brian Fuelleman fontgee...@yahoo.com wrote: The major issues with programs like Superpaint is that it creates raster images rather than vector art, and the files tend to be much larger for anything close to full size, even at the lowest resolution considered high res (300DPI). You also have extreme limitations on trying to manipulate or change elements in the artwork, re-scaling, etc., at a later date. From: ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3 You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk. Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for years until My G3 Quicksilver and OS10.4.8. Really miss it at times. I could use it for nearly anything. ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174 ver. 3.5 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html RHB On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote: Hi folks I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents. So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental functions have changed since then.) thanks indeed Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Skip, Bruce J Many thanks indeed - ideas forwarded Bruce R -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
Absolutely - LEM lists are 'staffed' by many kind and knowledgeable people who have educated me over the years. Thank you one and all. Bruce in Edinburgh On 26 Mar 2013, at 16:41, Dana Collins dlcatft...@frontier.com wrote: On 3/26/13 11:36 AM, Frank Dutra of fdut...@gmail.com sent Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of people here are my trusted, respected friends that I would greet enthusiastically if ever to meet offlist. Frank is very kind... I too feel the same way. Regards, Dana -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Fwd: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Hi folks I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents. So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental functions have changed since then.) thanks indeed Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Fabian, Glen http://www.amazon.com/Illustrator-Windows-Macintosh-Elaine-Weinmann/dp/0321510453/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1364233558sr=1-2keywords=illustrator+cs3+books It is a good book. You can still buy a brand new copy for as little as $3.37 (plus shipping) from an Amazon Marketplace. I'll second that suggestion. During the past few years I have purchased half dozen or more Peachpit Press Adobe CS instruction books from Amazon for a dime on the dollar. Clear and easy to read and shipping is only $4 IIRC. Even a used book purchased for $0.01 was in good shape. -- Thank you both! Prices not so much fun this side of the pond (£12) but easily affordable, so a copy is on its way to the parental abode… cheers Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
Hi Santa As an aside, have you set up a screen sharing link with both Macs, so you can show your parents what to do? Skype makes it easy, but you do need reasonably fast links. Skype suggest 300 KBs. I find screen sharing invaluable, even from a few kilometers away. Agreed - and implemented! MacOS let me count the ways you are fab….. ….. ….. ….. run out of fingers! Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Fwd: Better keyboard for my G4
What other keyboard would work with this Mac®? This seems to have good reviews: http://matias.ca/tactilepro3/ What should I be looking for? Is there a way to use a Nimitz keyboard with the G4? Griffin iMate - adapts ADB keyboards to USB. Have a look at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Griffin-Technology-iMate-USB-Adapter/dp/B67V8L and http://www.griffintechnology.com/support/imate for info. I don’t think Griffin make them any more, so you’d have to post on the LEM swaplist or trawl eBay -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD SCSI (pref non PCI)
One sampler also has it's own LCD monitor, so five monitors all up. Plus rack hardware, desktop controllers, and keyboard synths. Of course, this all comes with an ample serving of cable soup. Just thinking about your ‘cable soup’ and the number of monitors you have running - hot, easy to trip over and large electricity bill. Might it be worth running some form of VNC on your macs. (VNC, rebadged as ‘screen-sharing’ has been part of Mac OS since 10·3, IIRC.) - For OS9 macs, there’s ‘OS9vnc Server PPC’. I’m using it to observe and control my Pismo from my mac Pro just now. - For logging into and attempting to help with my parents’ PCs, I’ve used TightVNC and ChickenOfTheVNC, IIRC. (Bit slow over the interweb but OK over LAN.) (Before using screen-sharing so much, I used to use a 4-port KVM switch to swap my monitor between Pismo, XServe, main mac and work-provided mac but cables took over my desk and shelves, then eventually the KVM unit became flaky.) I guess VNC might slow your pooters slightly but it might be better than tripping over a cable and dragging loads of kit onto the deck with you. cheers Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?
I've been looking into relatively cheap PATA/IDE SSDs on eBay, but I'm not sure whether they'll be faster than a regular spinning disk. I'm quite interested in this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190705077160. The specs are: Performance Capacity(GB) 16 GB (4C) Sustained Read88 MB/S Sustained Write 35 MB/S I put a 64GB Kingspec SSD (dunno read-write specs) into my 400 MHZ Pismo (Powerbook G3 with Firewire). It reduced boot time and application loading time by between a quarter and a third, and is totally quiet, giving off no heat - so I’m happy to go away for a fortnight, leaving the Pismo as a webserver. The SSD I bought didn’t have tapped holes for the screws that hold on the lugs to keep the drive in place - no real worry, just a little niggle. Hope the surgery goes well! Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?
There are a few tricks you need to know when taking it apart or you could crack some parts trying without it, there is also a special tool you need to get for it too it's made of plastic... Tool is called a ‘spudger’ Easily available online for £1.50 (UK) so should be just a few $ in the US or you can go DIY - http://freakoutitgeek.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/no-spudger-no-problem/ - http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/903/What+alternative+iPod+opening+tools+have+worked+for+you Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Many thanks Bruce Are you certain this HD is formatted correctly for a PPC Mac? The partition scheme MUST be Apple Partition Scheme and NOT GUID Partition Scheme used on Intel Macs, OR Master Boot Record Partition Scheme used on PCs. You can check the partition scheme in System ProfilerInfo. The drive boots the Mac when in an external enclosure, so that's not the issue. My next step would be to stick another known-functioning drive in the TiBook then booting off the external (you can get a Firewire enclosure and boot from that to speed up booting) to see if the internal drive does in fact show up. No Firewire enclosure to hand so going the molasses route... SSD in TiBook, boot from HD in external USB enclosure. HD shows up in Disk Utility, SSD doesn't. Same result with SSD in external enclosure, HD in TiBook (i.e. boots from external device, internal device doesn't show up in Disk Utility) My guess is that there's either a subtle break in the cable or the IDE controller is foo in the TiBook. Before I did the above, I wanted to check if there was a clash between the IDE optical drive and the IDE disk drive, so I disconnected the optical drive from the mobo and put the SSD in the TiBook. No joy, same symptoms. The TiBook had booted from a Leopard installer DVD so I would have guessed the IDE controller is OK. (Or are there two IDE controllers in a TiBook?) After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. You know, rereading your inital post leads me to think that it could well be a foo controller on the motherboard; how did the SSD get corrupted? Don't know - I noticed that the nightly CCC backup from the 10·5·8 partition on the SSD (to an equivalent partition on the HD) was failing. (Other CCC backups of 10·4·11 and 9·2·2 worked OK.) CCC suggested trying DiskUtility to repair the disk but it couldn't - invalid tree length IIRC. Only solution was to nuke and pave the SSD. Then, to avoid a stupidly long reinstall, I CCCed the partitions back from the HD to the to the SSD. Then, IIRC, the failure to notice the internal IDE devices started. (Uni work started getting heavy so I didn't get a chance to investigate until recently.) So I guess I need to hunt for a replacement HD connector ... or is there a way I can test the current one in any of my existing kit? Many thanks (Edinburgh) Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Thanks to Dan and Kris for responses so far So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? IDE drive, yes? Still set to cable select or whatever it was originally? Put IDE SSD back into TiBook - it's on cable-select (unjumpered), as was the HD... Check the data connection. Appears intact and firmly in its socket on mobo Check the power connection. No separate power connection - this is 2·5 IDE oOo uk. Now that could give molasses a bad name! you betcha! You should zap the PRAM and reset the NVRAM whenever you're changing out hardware such as a HD. You should also boot OS X with a Safe Boot to rebuild the system caches. Hold Cmd-Opt-P-R keys for several chimes to zap the PRAM, then after one chime slide the fingers on P R over to O F so you're holding Cmd-Opt-O-F. At the Open Firmware prompt type these commands: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. The response should be ok to the 1st command, and a restart to the 2nd command. This went as you described - but still flashing 'where's the system' folder icon after attempt to reboot. Still no sound of spinning up (but that's not likely with an SSD) Tried again with HD in place: same result, definitely no HD sound. (I've checked - the HD does make a noise when plugged into a USB port on another computer.) Upon restart, use the Option key if you wish to select the startup partition. In each OS X System boot once holding the Shift key to rebuild the system startup caches. Is it worth doing this when booting the TiBook from the SSD and/or HD when they are in external enclosures, then putting them back into the TiBook? Further suggestions also very welcome! Thanks indeed Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Hi folks I have 1GHz TiBook. After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next However, with the very same HD in an external USB enclosure plugged into one of the TiBook's USB ports, I can use alt/option to choose to boot into 10·5·8, 10·4·11 or 9·2·2. So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? In the meantime, I'm happy to boot the TiBook from an external source but not one so slow as USB1. How could I add the HD or copy its partitions to my network so that the TiBook can boot from the network? Available kit includes a 400MHz Pismo running 10·4·11, an XServe G5 running 10·5·8 client*, a hackintoshed Dell mini 10v running 10·6·7, a 2009 macpro running 10·6·8, a 1st generation 500Gb timecapsule (I mention this because it has a USB port). I don't have any machines with MacOS server, but I could put 10·3 server on the Xserve. However I don't want to run this constantly - it's bolted to the side of my desk and is noisy. From what I've read, netbooting requires an ethernet connection between the boot server and client but if I'm at my desk (which is where the spare ethernet connections are) I can do OSX stuff on the MacPro and Dell and can do OS9 stuff on the Pismo without being deafened by the XServe! All advice very welcome! Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Sorry, second paragraph should have been With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next to the HD. BTW, with SSD repartitioned and 10·5·8 and 10·4·11 partitions CCCed back to it, I can also boot from these. Bruce On 12 Feb 2012, at 22:53, Bruce Ryan wrote: Hi folks I have 1GHz TiBook. After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next However, with the very same HD in an external USB enclosure plugged into one of the TiBook's USB ports, I can use alt/option to choose to boot into 10·5·8, 10·4·11 or 9·2·2. So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? In the meantime, I'm happy to boot the TiBook from an external source but not one so slow as USB1. How could I add the HD or copy its partitions to my network so that the TiBook can boot from the network? Available kit includes a 400MHz Pismo running 10·4·11, an XServe G5 running 10·5·8 client*, a hackintoshed Dell mini 10v running 10·6·7, a 2009 macpro running 10·6·8, a 1st generation 500Gb timecapsule (I mention this because it has a USB port). I don't have any machines with MacOS server, but I could put 10·3 server on the Xserve. However I don't want to run this constantly - it's bolted to the side of my desk and is noisy. From what I've read, netbooting requires an ethernet connection between the boot server and client but if I'm at my desk (which is where the spare ethernet connections are) I can do OSX stuff on the MacPro and Dell and can do OS9 stuff on the Pismo without being deafened by the XServe! All advice very welcome! Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. Error connecting to AirPort network etc. My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S will complete the connection. 10·4·11 only understands WEP and LEAP wireless security schemes. 10·5·x understands these and WPA wireless security. 10·6·x and later (such as your iDevices) understand all of these and WPA2. If this is the reason, scaling back the security on your network to either none or WEP will allow the 10·4·11 macs to join the network. (No security for more time than it takes to make this experiment is not recommended! I believe it's worthwhile setting the router not to broadcast the SSID [name of the wireless network] so that you have to know it and type it into the device you wish to connect.) Can you push the cube and Quicksilver up to 10·5·x and so use the strong WPA security scheme? Hope this helps Edinburgh Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
Well, the web site puts up a page stating browser requirement. Attempts to ignore and use Firefox 3.6.x results in long waits and or errors. Tried so far: IE 5.1.7 (OS 9), 5.2.0 FF 3.6.25 Want to try IE 5.2.3? Edinburgh Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
TiBook queries
Hi Arizona Bruce et al (a follow-up to the 'repairing DVD-drive' thread I started) Pismo is now behaving after a complete nuke and pave. (I had erased and reinstalled only the Tiger partition but updating from 10·4 to 10·4·11 and some other updates failed so I booted from the Tiger installer disk, then erased the whole disk, remade the partitions and installed ab-tedious-initio.) I'd be a bit upset if Pismo's HD misbehaves again - it's an SSD which is less than 6 months old. TiBook's optical drive remains flaky - I'd hope that the replacement I've bought from eBay will cure that. However, several queries remain. - TiBook won't connect to my network at all by ethernet under MacOS 9·2·2 but does so just fine under Tiger and Leopard. So I guess I've got the settings wrong in the TCP/IP control panel: For the ethernet location I'd use 'Connect via: Ethernet built-in' and 'Configure: using DHCP server'. What am I missing here? - TiBook will connect to an unsecured airport/wireless home network (and hence the internet) in Tiger and Leopard and in MacOS 9·2·2. However, I prefer to run my home network as securely as possible (WPA2 Personal): original airport cards can't handle this. What do listers recommend for adding WPA2 Personal to the TiBook? My ideal would be an add-in that gives WPA2 Personal under Tiger, Leopard and 9·2·2 but I'd be happy with WPA2 Personal under just the OSX variants. - What do listers recommend for adding USB2 capability to the TiBook? - The MacOS 9·2·2 installation was made by CarbonCopyCloning from Pismo's fresh installation (retail OS 9·1 installer DVD, followed by applying 9·2·1 and 9·2·2 updates) because I don't have the specific OS9 installer disks for TiBook. Thanks muchly Edinburgh Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
repairing DVD-drive
Hi folks I think I need to replace the DVD drive on my 1GHz TiBook. It wouldn't accept disks so I took the TiBook apart to see if something in the drive mechanism was jamming. It no longer jams - but now disks won't stay in. The drive is a Matshita DVD-R UJ-815. I don't want to spend huge amounts replacing it, so does anyone know of a guide to fixing optical drive mechanisms? Thanks indeed Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: repairing DVD-drive
Is it pulling them in and then pushing them back out or are they falling out? If the former, I'd suspect that the alignment with the slot is still not right or something's pressing against the eject switch (which some of these slot loaders do have) to make it kick it back out. The drive is a Matshita DVD-R UJ-815. I don't want to spend huge amounts replacing it, so does anyone know of a guide to fixing optical drive mechanisms? Never seen one...your best bet is probably buying a busted (or even working) TiBook for the part; the drives are expensive nowadays, since they're no longer made. I think the hardware gods are against me today. I tried putting the recalcitrant drive into my Pismo (it's easier to put drives into Pismo's removable module than it is into the TiBook) to see if I'd cleared the mechanism. No joy - and now I've put Pismo's original drive back in the module. It's now got a different problem - a CD is stuck in it. I've tried pressing the ejector mechanism with a straightened paperclip and restarting the Pismo with the trackpad/mousebutton held down. No joy. In fact, I can't book Pismo into OSX - it just sits at the grey screen with an Apple logo and the spinning gear. I can boot Pismo into OS9 by choosing it from open firmware (holding down Option key while restarting, then choosing the OS9 partition). Any ideas on how to destick this baby - and how not to offend the hardware gods further? Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: repairing DVD-drive
Any ideas on how to destick this baby - and how not to offend the hardware gods further? Wow...when I've sinned that badly against the hardware gods, I do penance far far away from computers for a day or two, and partake of beer and fishing or something similarly less technologically advanced. :-) Hard to break a beercan, (although it's not impossible http://www.flickr.com/photos/35245797@N00/6259633092/ Guinness showers are not nearly as pleasant as they sound ...) Double check the cable connections on the Pismo module, make sure nothing's loose or worse, damaged. The slotloader should have worked in the Pismo, I had one in mine for a long time. Never got around to fabricating the cover, so it looked ugly, but it worked. I'd start haunting the LEM Swaplist and fleabay for a new drive for the TiBook. Thanks (Arizona) Bruce - UK eBay has come up trumps with an affordable direct replacement for the dead optical drive. My penance will be 3 days of backing up, nuking and paving then reinstalling and restoring my dad's XP box next week. He's managed to hose the OS **again**. Oh for a PC equivalent of CarbonCopyCloner. I could do the installation with the seemingly endless software updates, then keep a known-good installation on an external HD. If I recall correctly, Bruce, you had examples of why formatted emails are **BAD**. Could you either repost them or send them on to me directly so I can show my dad the nasties that can lurk in email, please? many thanks (Edinburgh) Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: repairing DVD-drive
There is this ... see what people using them have to say... Thank you! If I recall correctly, Bruce, you had examples of why formatted emails are **BAD**. Could you either repost them or send them on to me directly so I can show my dad the nasties that can lurk in email, please? http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/ihatehtmlmail.pdf http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/whyIhatehtmlmailno3455.png Thank you again! And it's too bad he's not running a Mac; ClamXAv has gotten pretty good at flagging that phishy stuff that I get one one of my email accounts. I can't tell you how many times we've had that discussion... Irony of ironies (or perhaps not) it's all the Microsoft-hosted BPOS account from our UA central mail service...reason 4,876 I'm so grateful that we run our own email servers here at the College. OUR server catch all the spam and viruses. May I ask what platform and software you use? By the way, the hardware gods seem to have relented a bit - maybe because I fed my better half and some friends 3 variants on sprout and lentil curry this evening. - Pismo boots from the OS9·2·2 partition if I choose this from the open firmware process. It will mount DVDs and CDs and will play from an audio CD. - Pismo also boots from my Tiger installer DVD if I choose this from the open firmware process. Disk Utility's 'repair disk' facility reports an 'invalid key length' and then stops. So I guess the Tiger partition needs to be nuked and paved. I don't have any apps on the Tiger partition apart from those installed with OSX, nor do I keep any data on the Pismo apart from my website documents and that's only 12GB, so no problem to copy it back from my main mac. However, any thoughts as to what I might have done to this partition? I'd prefer not to do it again! Thanks folks (Edinburgh) Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: bots
Can't resist any longer... (clipping those resistor leads were literally more nerve-wracking than anything I've done since, including my wedding day.) but that's because you don't clip resistor leads to your new spouse - or even to a spouse of many years, I hope. Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
It is not recognized at all in any utility program or in any way. It is like it does not exist at all. I will take your advice and try to connect it through a powered USB hub and see if it shows up that way. I just want to reformat it and use it as my TimeMachine backup drive and storage of movie files to share between several different computers, so each computer does not need to have a local copy of every movie file I have. I'd strongly suggest that you don't use your backup device for file transfers: just let it do its job and don't risk damaging the backup structure by mounting it on another machine. Can you keep all your files on one fully backed-up computer and access files from it across a home network? if you can't network and can only use one disk for both backup and file transfer, I suggest you partition it so that there are defined separate areas for backup and file transfer. The disadvantage here is that you will probably be stuck with your original choice of partition sizes. hope this helps and isn't patronising Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
Hi Jane 2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a physical back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar with the pros and cons of online. I would value your opinion. pro - if your mac and backup become unavailable (as might happen if your house burns down or is burgled), you can get your data back! - backups should be available 24/7, so if you're away from your mac and find you need some data, you can download it to a computer where you are right now - backups will be encrypted and held in secure premises - providing the hardware is the online provider's problem - if you have several macs/PCs to back up, even if they are on several sites, you may be able to buy a family deal. con - slow initial upload speed (It took about 30 days to upload 150 GB of data from my mac.) - need to have internet access to retrieve stuff - costs are ongoing (but hard disks don't last forever) - backups are encrypted - you need to remember your login details if you want to retrieve data and are away from the mac that's connected to your account Both local HDs and online should offer incremental backup, so that you can retrieve previous versions of files. To get around these limitations, I suggest doing both. - Time Machine hourly incremental backups (or CarbonCopyCloner daily incremental backups) to a local HD will provide immediate access to stuff at home, without any need to go online, remember passwords, etc. - Online backup is there as a last resort or for when you're away from home and find you don't have the files you need. I've had good experience with CrashPlan (good customer service, a family deal to cover up to 10 computers for $6 per month). They also offer a service where you can use their software to back up to another device on a another site (such as a friend's mac or PC) for free. Of course, this depends on having a friend who has drive space and will leave their mac switched on and online for you to backup to it. IIRC data would be encrypted so your friend couldn't access your data unless you give away your password.) I can't comment on how CrashPlan compares to other online backup providers. Of course, CrashPlan **claims** to be better - see http://www.crashplan.com/business/compare.html#stackup. You might want to try them and other providers' trial periods to see which suits you. I hope this helps and isn't patronising. Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/us-thailand-floods-tech-idUSTRE79K76Z20111021 This mentions 'Apple chief executive Steve Cook' Freudian slip? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: easy over-the-web access??
Here's what I want to do I have some friends that I would like to be able to access my computer over the web easily... to be able to get at anything they put their minds to... is there an easy way of doing this? without the need for special software or complicated instructions? maybe a one-time setup of some kind? Well it's not dead simple, mainly because you need to get a static or at least knowable IP address, for which I'd use DynDNS' free service: http://dyn.com/dns/dyndns-free/ Then turn on file sharing and give them your user name and password. Of course this means they can literally take anything, delete everything and completely mess up the system whether they meant to or not. Not entirely sure if this is really what you want. can the OP set permissions so that only his public folder has any 'world' access? 'chmod' comes vaguely to mind having said that, if the OP has an iDisk, dropbox or similar online storage, could the relevant files be copied in such a location? Then others could do whatever they like to these copies without risking the originals on the OP's mac, without risking the innards of the OP's mac and without the OP's mac even needing to be switched on! Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
Attaching 2 or more computers to one drive won't physically hurt the firewire interface but it may corrupt the drive. Each computer will mount the drive and there is nothing to keep them from writing contradictory directory information to the disk. So don't do it. too bad, sounded like such an exellent idea :-( well, what other ways to use the same back up drive for two puters exists then? just a thought - would partitioning the firewire drive work? Then mount only partition1 on mac1 and partition2 on mac2. The way I do it here is to have a NAS attached to my network, with usernames for each potential user and shares for each mac we back up. So on our NAS, there are users (named as our day-to-day mac login names) and associated passwords (for ease, and because this NAS can't talk to the internet, so it doesn't need to be madly secure, these are the same as our day-to-day mac login passwords). There are also shares (better than partitions because they're not fixed sizes) for me and for my better half, Eleanor. User 'Eleanor' has permission to write to and read from only with 'Eleanors_share' and her mac's TimeMachine backs up to this share. User 'Bruce' has permission to write to and read 'Bruce_share': my mac's TimeMachine backs up to that share. There is also a user called 'admin' which can create and delete shares, as well as read and write all of them. This was the first user set up, in the factory. I used it to create the other users and the shares and to set permissions. Of course, I changed admin's password from the factory setting. The NAS I use is a LaCie d2 2TB - it cost a little over £200 from a specialist mac reseller in Edinburgh, Scotland. You can get cheaper NASes but they are slower and the interfaces are poorer. The LaCie isn't a speed-demon but it's worked well for the past year, and LaCie's customer support was great when there was a wee issue. However, following on from Clark's advice, I'd ask 'would there be anything wrong with backing up two or more macs, using TimeMachine, to the same share? I'm sure they'd write to different sparsebundles (just as if I was using a TimeCapsule), so could there still be bad effects if both try to write at the same time? Thanks muchly Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sad day...
Would you mind me printing that on a tee-shirt? I'd like to show my appreciation of SJ and Apple in public. Of course I'd be happy to add whatever credit line you'd want - maybe something like 'artwork © 2011 Andy Hannen'? Many thanks Bruce On 6 Oct 2011, at 19:43, Andy wrote: RIP https://files.me.com/andy.hannen/01oot8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- Bruce Ryan M 07909 504328 E bruce.r...@mac.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: upgrade XServe G5: desktop processor?
Hi folks, especially Matevž Over a month later, I've found time to upload pictures of the guts of my 2·0GHz single-processor XServe G5. You should be able to make out a rectangular white connector block on the right of http://tinyurl.com/438333t. (You can see its location at http://tinyurl.com/428p8rb and http://tinyurl.com/3gyj7bs, not far above the existing processor.) There is normally a white cap over this connector but I took it off just to show the pin-holes in these photos. Can anyone tell me - Is this a connector for a second processor? - Would a second processor work in an XServe that was sold as a single- processor set-up? If found conflicting opinions about this online. - If so, would any 2·0 G5 processor do or would it have to be a specific one for this location? That is, can I use one from a G5 desktop (which I think would be more easily available) or can it be one cannibalised from another single-processor 2·0 XServe G5 (which will be rarer) or even one specifically made for this position in this model (much rarer, I guess)? - Any ideas about cost? - Would the performance boost be worthwhile - or even noticeable? This XServe runs vanilla 10·5·8 (Leopard) - I don't yet have Leopard server - and has 5GB of SD-RAM (four times 1GB ECC SDRAM PC3200U-30330 plus two times 256MB ECC SDRAM PC3200U-30330 plus two times 256MB SDRAM PC3200U-30330). The most frequently used apps are Mail, Safari, iTunes, Adobe Creative Suite version 3 and MS Office 2008. And in case you were wondering, yes, the XServe is mounted on the side of my desk. It has a cover to duct away noise and fan heat but runs at a comfortable(?) 53°C even when it's been on continuously, with high processor use (compressing data for a complete online back-up) for over 10 days now. Pix of cover are at http://tinyurl.com/3s9chgx and http://tinyurl.com/4x4l2e8 Thanks muchly Bruce On 25 May 2011, at 06:47, Matevž Markovič wrote: Hy! Here is the link to the Xserve G5 developer note: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Servers/XserveG5/XserveG5.pdf . I still do not know whether it is possible to install second-cpu, perhaps others can tell you more? Do you have a secondary cpu slot? Anyway, in the note it states: Warning: DON’T TRY TO USE OLDER PROCESSOR CARDS! This connector differs from those in earlier computers and it is not pin-compatible. As for the memory upgrade, the maximum for this computer is 8GB (184- pin, unbuffered, ECC DDR400 SDRAM DIMMs, unbuffered, 8-byte, with parity, PC3200 compliant). Yours, Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
Hi Austin Happy to spout about my XServe any time! It would be three by 1TB = 3TB total. I currently have three 250 2·5” (laptop size) drives in the bays: SATA connections seem to be the same on 2·5” and 3·5”. If I carry on using the XServe as a main beast, I’ll eventually get server-grade drives but this does me for now. Lepard server, more RAM, a video card and (if possible) a second processor would come higher up the priority list cheers Bruce On 2 Jun 2011, at 23:28, Austin Leeds wrote: Thanks, that helps a lot. I actually compute most of the time with a big box fan on full next to me, so I don't think the sound will be that much of an issue. :) On a side note, the admin's office at my college is also the server room, and he's in there quite a bit of the time. His hobby? Building and rebuilding speakers! Right now, I'm in the midst of a project for my college newspaper— we're wanting to expand our storage and give ourselves more local control over it, since the lone Mac admin works on another campus and is overworked as it is. I figured I would buy an Xserve for myself, bring it to campus to test it, and the newspaper staff and IT and I would discuss our options from there. Then I'd use my Xserve for VPN and backups and whatnot. And yes, it's probably going to go somewhere out of sight and out of earshot, to be remotely managed by my iPad. The G5 sounds best. So, is that 3 one terabyte drives, or three drives to achieve one terabyte? On Jun 2, 3:13 pm, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@mac.com wrote: Hi Austin I'm using an XServe G5 2·0 GHz single processor as a desktop machine, running Leopard client. (It came with 10.3 server but I wanted Leopard for TimeMachine and didn't need server capabilities. To be honest I just wanted the coolness of having my own XServe/shiny Apple joy, although learning how to set up server stuff would have been a bonus.) It's a bit slow but it does the job - mostly. It does need a decent video card (yet to be purchased) - without it games just lead to black screens of death. Also, even though I've built a cage to hold it on the side of my desk which diverts some of the fan noise away from me, it's still distractingly noisy. IIRC, G4 takes 4 PATA disks, while I know the G5 takes 3 SATA disks. Mine came with a CD-reader but I've swapped that for a laptop CD/DVD reader. There may be limits on the total drive capacity: - G4, everymac.com says 'up to four 180 GB ATA/100 hard drives' - G5, everymac.com says 'up to 750 GB of storage with three 250 GB SATA hard drives'. However, XServe dealers who serviced my XServe say up to 3 by 1TB is feasible. Overall, if you can find a way of dealing with noise (maybe put a wall between you and the XServe, then look for long keyboard, pointer, monitor cables and a big masonry drill - or just put an ethernet connection to your switch/hub and control it via your normal quiet desktop machine), want a high capacity machine that can support several drives and looks pretty cool, I'd go for the G5. However, you may find a Mac Pro quieter - and it has capacity for up to 4 drives, already will have a working video card. Finally, as I'm sure you've realised, G5s are limited to Leopard. Hope this helps Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve advice?
Hi Austin I'm using an XServe G5 2·0 GHz single processor as a desktop machine, running Leopard client. (It came with 10.3 server but I wanted Leopard for TimeMachine and didn't need server capabilities. To be honest I just wanted the coolness of having my own XServe/shiny Apple joy, although learning how to set up server stuff would have been a bonus.) It's a bit slow but it does the job - mostly. It does need a decent video card (yet to be purchased) - without it games just lead to black screens of death. Also, even though I've built a cage to hold it on the side of my desk which diverts some of the fan noise away from me, it's still distractingly noisy. IIRC, G4 takes 4 PATA disks, while I know the G5 takes 3 SATA disks. Mine came with a CD-reader but I've swapped that for a laptop CD/DVD reader. There may be limits on the total drive capacity: - G4, everymac.com says 'up to four 180 GB ATA/100 hard drives' - G5, everymac.com says 'up to 750 GB of storage with three 250 GB SATA hard drives'. However, XServe dealers who serviced my XServe say up to 3 by 1TB is feasible. Overall, if you can find a way of dealing with noise (maybe put a wall between you and the XServe, then look for long keyboard, pointer, monitor cables and a big masonry drill - or just put an ethernet connection to your switch/hub and control it via your normal quiet desktop machine), want a high capacity machine that can support several drives and looks pretty cool, I'd go for the G5. However, you may find a Mac Pro quieter - and it has capacity for up to 4 drives, already will have a working video card. Finally, as I'm sure you've realised, G5s are limited to Leopard. Hope this helps Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: upgrade XServe G5: desktop processor?
Hi Matevž Here is the link to the Xserve G5 developer note: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Servers/XserveG5/XserveG5.pdf I still do not know whether it is possible to install second-cpu, perhaps others can tell you more? Do you have a secondary cpu slot? Anyway, in the note it states: Warning: DON’T TRY TO USE OLDER PROCESSOR CARDS! This connector differs from those in earlier computers and it is not pin-compatible. As for the memory upgrade, the maximum for this computer is 8GB (184- pin, unbuffered, ECC DDR400 SDRAM DIMMs, unbuffered, 8-byte, with parity, PC3200 compliant). Thanks for all of this. I'm not currently easily able to look at the motherboard - the beastie is in a cage I built on the side of my desk to make it look neat and duct the noise away from me. However, I recall a that in the gap where a second process could go, there was a white cap which looked like the cover of a processor connection. Maybe I can investigate next week... watch this space. thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
upgrade XServe G5: desktop processor?
Hi there I'm the proud owner of an XServe G5, single processor 2·0 GHz (Model Identifier: RackMac3,1). SInce I'm now using it as my main mac, I'm pondering cheap ways to increase its performance. (It already has three 250GB 7200repm hard disks, albeit they're second-hand 2·5 drives.) So the other two obvious possibilities are - more RAM (it has eight 256MB PC3200U sticks) - 2nd processor. Does the 2nd processor need to be specifically for an XServe or would any 2·0 GHz G5 processor do. many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need printer advice
I've seen Kodak's advertisements saying that their ink is cheaper, has anyone on the list actually used one? Yes - in Scotland. My better half and I were at PC World, about to buy £90 of printer inks (2 blacks, 1 colour, IIRC) for her HP1215 printer/scanner. For just over double that we instead bought a Kodak 6150 printer with extra inks and better features (wifi/ethernet networkable, feeder for scanner, double-sided printing). Packs of 1 colour + 1 black cartridges cost about £18. (For the HP, it would have been over £30). As far as I can tell, the cartriges do around the same amount of printing. cheers Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bounces from me.com
Hi Dan, listers I've received quite a few bounce notices recently, all regarding addresses at me.com. Seems to be affecting all the LEM Lists. I'm wondering if this is typical of Apple's MobileMe service or simply the melt-down du jour? Just tried frombruce.r...@mac.com to bruce.r...@me.com frombruce.r...@mac.com to bruce.r...@mac.com frombruce.r...@me.com tobruce.r...@me.com frombruce.r...@me.com tobruce.r...@mac.com All four worked OK, but there was about 3 minutes of waiting to contact the smtp server. I don’t entirely trust the wiring from our router to the local exchange. (One of the many things I need to get around to is replacing the phone cabling in our new-ish flat.) cheers Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB Follies
Hi Mark Not sure whether this has been answered but some USB devices need external power (which I presume the scanner does). IIRC - I admit I'm a bit hazy - keyboards don't provide much power. For example, my mouse and Wacom bamboo graphics tablet work just fine connected to an Apple keyboard which is connected to a USB port on a KVM unit I use with my various macs. My work-issue Wacom Intuos 4M needs to be directly connected to the KVM unit (which is also plugged into a wall socket). When the Intuos is connected to the keyboard, the macs complain that it's not getting enough power. I've never seen it cause the keyboard to lock up though. I've also seen a USB exterrnal hard disk which again needed an external power supply. That didn't stick around for long - hooray for multi-gigabyte flash-drives! Apologies if I'm just dribbling here - it's been a long day. Bruce On 2 Feb 2011, at 12:38, smac0031 wrote: I am having strange USB goings on. First the minor thing. I have an iMic plugged into the standard USB port on my DA and a stereo. When I shut my stereo off my DA wakes up out of sleep. I guess this probably has something to do with the DA being wired to use a keyboard with a power key. This is no big deal. I also have a Firewire 800/ USB 2.0 card with two ports of each type. I have a USB 2.0 hub plugged into that. I have an Epson scanner that isn't recognized unless it's plugged in directly to the other USB 2.0 port. I recently bought an Apple brand USB 2.0 keyboard which I plugged into the hub. It works okay unless... I plug my digital camera into either the USB hub or the second USB port on the keyboard, then the cursor locks up. The keyboard might be locked up, too, anyway, I have to restart when this happens. The USB 2.0 is from Hong Kong out of eBay. I think I should have got a USB 2.0 card with more ports on it. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
blu-ray drive in and speakers for XServe G5
Hi folks At the moment, I use an XServe G5 (2·0 GHz, 2GB RAM) running Leopard client (not Leopard Server) as my main computer. It looks like I'll be using it for a while to come. Can anyone recommend speakers and a blu- ray player - or doesn't the G5 have enough poke for such shiny additions? Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
