Re: Bad Video Card?
On 06/02/2012 07:23, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on board. Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two working DVI ports. It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip replacement) to get that functionality. I can't remember any more. H my memory is hazy too but I think the Fire GL X3 can be converted with a X800/X850 bios to become a mac X800 with twin DVI and SLI though whether it also has twin vga too is something I don't know. They used to be horrifically expensive for experimenting on but seem to be more reasonable now - is this one? http://tinyurl.com/6m57q28 Has the X800 bios number but looks very like a Fire GL...no mention of taping pins either so it must be fixed at 4x agp to boot at all in a G4 - hard cheese for any buyer with an 8x agp G5... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL firmware hack to run on G4 933Mhz Quicksilver?
On 09/02/2012 12:52, turn turn...@gmail.com wrote: There is Geforce 4 Ti 4400 ROM modified for PPC here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 - so I am wondering if anyone thinks it might work to just flash with that. -? The Ti Geforce models were troublesome AFAIR due to hard wired device ID - DID for short - the DID in ATI cards were in the fcode of the rom and could be changed with a hex editor. Whereas I think the DID of some of the Ti models was fixed by resistors soldered to the pcb. I think I still have a jpeg of the 'secret' method for converting a Geforce 3 Ti over to mac and I think - though I am entirely unsure - the Geforce 4 models required similar conversions. I know the Ti 4600 was not a straightforward flash to mac If you require the instructions for the 'secret' method let me know...may give you some insight Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On 09/02/2012 16:40, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote: I've run the August 2005 ROM update while booted up in Safe Mode (OS X 10.4.11) and STILL am not having any luck. The card itself is listed as Part Number 109-85500-01 which matches up as the Radeon 7000 Mac version and as far as I can tell there is no reason (outside of card malfunction) that this shouldn't work. Has anyone had this experience, and is there a solution? If you've zapped the pram/nvram and reset the mobo with the cuda and tried all three pci slots probably not - though sometimes a computer/mobo which has been in a set configuration for a long time may refuse to recognize a newly introduced component. The only method I knew for curing this was to remove the battery and disconnect all the components and leave overnight. I've only ever succeeded with the overnight method with a supermac clone (S900? - Umax Pulsar dual?) which would not boot with new ram sticks in.ok next morning - shrug? Who knows why.. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 03/02/2012 17:04, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: Do you know if the X800 has the ROM lock feature. Thomas Perrier's site seems to be specific to the R9800. I have a few X800/X850s kicking around I've been meaning to convert. I thought all I'd need to do is replace the flash chip. If this ROM lock thing is on that card too, I can see where that would have been just an exercise in frustration. It's too bad that themacelite's forums went down. There was some great information in there. Do you know if there's an archive available? Jeff Walther Hi Jeff, Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. Worth a try for the vga I suppose as they are very powerful 8x agp. Both cards have a new kind of rom lock which protects 'parts' of the pc rom from being overwritten - so any ordinary flash on a PC in dos results in a garbage bios unless a new command line instruction (I can't remember it though) is used during the flash. The best way to flash X800/X850 cards is apparently blind in a mac with Panther (Panther will boot with an unconverted card in) using vnc - or something like that - it's a while ago. Aquamac's site and forum is the place to go for method - I just looked and it's still therethe Bliss 7800GS 512MB card is also featured - that IS a nice card! http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/macx800xtaqua-ma.html http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/gainward7800gs51.html I think strangedogs forum is still limping along too.. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 02/02/2012 16:30, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is accomplished by software on a PC... -- ErrThat's not quite true Bruceflashing from PC to mac bios has always involved soldering since the introduction of rom locks on the Radeon cards. The hardware lock is achieved with tiny resistors and effectively blocks any flash larger than 64KB - PC size - whereas the mac rom is 128KB. In addition to the lock the SO8 8 pin soic bios chip itself - such as the ST brand M25P05 may only take 64KB of data max so to achieve a full mac rom flash it must be exchanged for a 128KB soic chip - the M25P10. Soic chip info http://themacelite.wikidot.com/rom-s Resistor lock info http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html However - I doubt the card would get hot enough around the SO8 to smoulder any remaining flux. Pete - 62 years old today - I might scoff a beer or two later..I wonder how long I've been on the low end mac mail lists - is there a way to find out? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 27/01/2012 21:08, Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net wrote: i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? It's probably a flashed PC card - and perhaps flashed with the wrong bios if the full memory is not showing in profiler. If the original manuf sticker is intact the card can be identified with the 102 number from it at this page... http://apps.ati.com/102lookup/ fixing a bios mismatch can be problematic so I should return it as faulty. Is it possible this isn't a Mac card, but rather a PC card? As I recall, it was possible to convert the PC cards into Mac cards, but you had to solder several 10K Ohm resistors over to alternate positions, like jumpers. If you didn't solder these, it was possible to burn-out something on the card. See this: Resoldering these jumpers is purely in order to remove the 64k bios flash lock to enable a 128k bios flash for macs as the PC bios is 64k or less. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Removing Heat Sink from Sonnet G4 upgrade card
On 27/07/2011 14:19, Maccountant gsuc...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone done this before? I purchased a Sonnet G4 1.8gz MDX for my G4 single 1.25 MDD. It works fine but generates too much heat, even with the built-in fan. I want to remove the heatsink and replace it with an Apple copper one from a 1.45 G4 that I have but the Sonnet is screwed in in a proprietary way. I contacted Sonnet but the guy just said they attached it in such a way so customers won¹t remove it. Big help. Has anyone done such a thing and can tell me what kind of tool I need? Thanks, Gary I've no real idea - though I've removed and refurbished many heatsinks I am not familiar with the Sonnet type - but another approach may be to attach another small slimline fan to the top of the heatsink. I've yet to come across a heatsink which cannot be removed and replaced.but the Sonnet maybe a problem with proprietary fixings... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: radeon 9800 pro
On 27/05/2011 10:58, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Not all G5 Macs came with ADC cards. My G5 had the dual-DVI ATI RV351 128MB Radeon 9600 Pro. I've placed other AGP cards into my G5, and the ones I've not been able to fit because of slot issues were all slower AGP cards. I've not encountered an AGPx8 card that didn't fit, but perhaps they exist, I'm no expert on G5 AGP slots. I would like a better card for my G5, and I'm considering flashing an nVidia GeForce 7800GS 512MB which I understand is the best possible AGP card for the G5. The slot issues only concern adc cards and even then the agp pro slot in the G5 will perhaps take any agp card without adc. It's just that the adc cards designed for the agp pro slot were not usable in earlier macs due to the shifting of the adc power pins out of the main slot and onto a stub. The presence of the adc power pins in the main slot effectively meant that no adc equipped G4 will boot with an 8x card installed - thus the tape. The 7800GS is troublesome due to the bios change - the mac version and the early pc version had the G70 bios - the pc version quickly changed to the later G71 bios. G71 cards will not flash to mac - only the earlier cards with the G70 bios are compatible with mac flashing. And the mac card only had 256MB AFAIK so the 512MB may present problems too - possibly all the 512MB cards are later cards and G71. G70's are occasionally available - usually involves mailing the seller to get the bios from the back of the card - begins 5.70 (G70) rather than the later 5.71(G71). The BFG card was favourite as I remember though several other brands made a G70 card. The Radeon X800 is also a very good card - problems again though. Have a look at aquamacs site and forums for info. http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/index.html Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: radeon 9800 pro
On 26/05/2011 05:42, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: I see and read all over the place about people putting the Radeon 9800 Pro cards in their QS machines.There are dedicated websites discussing upgrades for QS users and all recommend the 9800 Pro as the best way to go. So is there a G4 9800 Pro and a G5 9800 Pro? I was fairly sure the G5 8x just needed the pin mod and that was it. Or should I just leave the 128 Ti card and forget it? Apple made a hash of some of their 2x/4x agp slots by combining adc connections within them - the connections they used should have been unused and reserved for future improvements to the agp spec. When these 'reserved' connections came into use with 8x agp apple had to redesign the agp slot for the G5 and called it agp pro - effectively killing any backward compatibility for a G5 mac edition card in a G4 - it won't physically fit. And flashed 8x capable cards need the tape fix to isolate the adc pins in the agp slot. I have never come across a 4x agp 9800 pro specifically for a G4 and it probably doesn't exist as the apple spec lists the best card for a MDD model as the 128 Ti. However the pc versions of the 9700/9800 pro and even the 9800 XT will all physically fit and work comfortably in the G4 range when flashed and taped. Though some care should be taken with card/slot compatibility as the universal 2x/4x/8x connector on the card has two notches - whereas the later 4x/8x connector has only one and will not fit in the earlier G4 models with 2x agp like the cube and sawtooth etc. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 monitor fails to fire
On 11/05/2011 21:59, blindspot-smi...@yahoo.co.uk blindspot-smi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The monitor will eventually fire up - might take two, three, four G5 power-ups, might have to leave it for hours and just sometimes it might come on immediately. Haven't successfully powered up in safe mode because you have to have the USB keyboard plugged in, and it won't fire up with USBs plugged in. The ATI Radeon 9600 pro has an ADC and a DVI-I port so I have only used the DVI port. The adaptor is to allow me to use the monitor which only has a VGA port. The adaptor goes from the DVI-I port on the G5 to a VGA-VGA cable which runs the monitor. I haven't tried a monitor which can take DVI-I. We do have one in the house but I haven't got a DVI-I/DVI-I cable. Once I get the monitor to fire with the G5 it works well, no wobble, a choice of monitor sizes, millions of colours etc. It also always works well with the G4 (using just the same VGA-VGA cable) I figure some loose component on the G5 card is causing a voltage/charge drop. No bulging or leaking capacitors evident. Unfortunately I haven't got another graphics card to try so I was hoping there might be a dodgy component that always gives trouble and could be resoldered or something. Sounds like a bad dvi/vga adapter - have you checked for bent pins on it? - try a different adapter. Cable pins can be bent too causing intermittent contact. Also worth trying an adc/vga adapter if you can get one Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Radeon 9600 from G5 possible upgrade for G4?
On 14/03/2011 05:51, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: Why tape the pins 311, if this card doesn't feature ADC? The taping is required for any 8x agp card to work in any 2x/4x agp capable mac with adc connectors. These pins were unused in the 2x/4x agp spec but brought into use for the 8x spec - meanwhile Apple had 'borrowed' these two connections for their proprietary ADC spec. Resulting in the strange AGP Pro design and the fact that no mac with adc will boot with an 8x agp card installed unless these pins are isolated. So the feature is in the mobo agp slot rather than the card. Another point to note is that isolating these two pins 'forces' the card to work at 4x agp even in an 8x slot and there are many flashed cards around which will work in G4 or G5 agp slots without the taping because the connections to the pins 3 and 11 have been severed. So though the taping is no longer required the card is 'hobbled' to 4x agp. In an 8x capable G5 the card performance is halved..not too clever. So if you have a G5 and buy an 8x agp card like a Radeon 9800 Pro that claims G4/G5 compatibility but does not require the taping..bewarethe card is hobbled. Can be dehobbled but that's a finicky job. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 9/3/11 23:06, Paxton innfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. Whoa! That's a long way for me to go for a 9800 from the UK... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 9/3/11 04:14, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 7-03-2011 22:43, pdimage ha scritto: I'm in the UK and I can usually pick one up for around £10 - £20 on ebay - which is around 15 - 30 dollars I guess - plus postage. Postage to the US via airmail is around 8 dollars. Here's a very nice recent example of a 9800 pro on the XT board with the R360 GPU. Yeah, really nice card for a cheap price... :-) but it's from a PC. :-/ Do you mean it's possible using such card into a Mac? (using the right drivers, or with a little hardware tinkering maybe?) Yes - it's a fairly easy convert to mac for anyone into flashing bios - no drivers required and no hardware tinkering if you use the reduced rom though you may lose functionality if booting OS9. If you want to turn it into a full blown mac card with the full mac bios some hardware tinkering may or may not be necessary depending on the size of the bios chip already soldered on the card. Plus the stock PC cards like the 9800 usually have faster speeds than the stock mac equivalent so you can clock them up. Here's a guide to the card which are convertible... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9800-working Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low density or high?
On 8/3/11 03:37, peterh...@cruzio.com peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I have 3 high density 512mb chips... am I good to go? It's certainly low for the PC100/133 variety for early Sawtooth through Quicksilvers but I'm not sure for the PC2700 varietyI always understood that high density was slower and poorer quality.. http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Myth-Low-Density-vs-High-Density-memory-modules_W 0QQugidZ101236187 Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 6/3/11 09:07, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. This one, that's a bit trickier, if not impossible. The mac rom is from the FX5200 cards which were supplied or came as an extra with some macs - I think the early iMac G5 had 5200 graphics as well as an FX5200 Ultra with some tower systems. Roms vary from model to model and manufacturer to manufacturer - bootstraps, device id etc as well as memory addressing as some are 64 bit and others 128 bit. The mac elite wiki downloads section has a mac FX5200 rom as well as five modified roms to flash pc versions of the 5200 card. It's not an easy card to tackle given the variables and 100% working performance may be difficult to achieve. Certain parts of the mac rom like device id may need replacing with code from the original pc rom. I have a cheap agp FX5200 with 256MB of memory which I flashed for fun a couple of years ago - works in a mac but only on safe boot or it rustles up a KP - and there's no signal from the dvi port so it's twin vga only - always meant to edit the rom but it's fairly slow with TSOP ram and practically obsolete so it ended up in the spares stash - for agp a Radeon 9800 Pro or XT with 256MB is so much easier to flash and so superior in terms of performance - and cheap too Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 7/3/11 20:30, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: Define cheap and where to get one. I look on the usual place, fleabay, and I see 9800 pros going for around 100 US... Mac versions are double that. Not quite what I would consider cheap. :-) I'm in the UK and I can usually pick one up for around £10 - £20 on ebay - which is around 15 - 30 dollars I guess - plus postage. Postage to the US via airmail is around 8 dollars. Here's a very nice recent example of a 9800 pro on the XT board with the R360 GPU. I'm sorry I missed that as I've just bought a MDD dual 1.25 today which has a 9000 in itthat's my definition of cheap and where - complete with a thirty day warranty too. http://tinyurl.com/67jvj2w Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On 25/1/11 15:10, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Sounds like a possibility ... It has CI Software Support: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: Chipset Model: GeForce4 MX Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 64 MB Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID: 0x0171 Revision ID: 0x00a3 ROM Revision: 1091 Displays: CPD-G420S: Resolution: 1280 x 960 @ 85 Hz Depth: 32-Bit Color Core Image: Software Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Fallback option for unsupported computers Apple has provided a fallback option for computers without graphics cards supported by Core Image. You'll still be able to use Core Image but your CPU will do the work instead of the graphics card. This will obviously be slower than the GPU in most cases, however it's still functional with a few exceptions. One of these is that you won't see all the effects and eye candy you would if you had a supported graphics card (such as the Ripple effect when opening a Dashboard widget). The Ripple effect requires a programmable graphics card due to the nature of the effect, and although it could theoretically be rendered by the CPU, it would be so horribly slow that it wouldn't be worth it. Because of this Apple makes certain effects unavailable to the CPU fallback option. It seems 'software' CI is the fallback so it may be your problem. My particular problem occurred with CI off when viewing zmags with their viewer at the Netto supermarket site - white banding was apparent across the pages - so perhaps Safari calls on CI to render certain features. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: frivolous question
On 25/1/11 17:38, Yersinia yersi...@myfairpoint.net wrote: another lister mentioned wanting to run some vintage apps, and it brought to mind one VERY vintage app - After Dark. tho it's a stoopid waste of time and resources, i just have to ask - does anyone know whatever happened to berkeley software? or if there is a current version of after dark (i can't find one), or a way to get them old after dark screensavers to run in OSX? i miss my flying toasters. :'o( http://www.macintoshgarden.org/apps?page=2 Quite a few to choose from Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On 25/1/11 07:20, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Well ... I tried Reset Safari to no avail, then tried disassembling my Mac, reseating all PCI cards (SATA and USB2) and memory after cleaning contacts. The streaking only appears regularly in Safari's Top Sites window. iTunes in Cover Flow doesn't show any issues. Don't know I have an old sawtooth with a GeForce 5200 256MB agp card installed (pins taped) which would not boot except in safe mode. The 5200 is CoreImage and QuartzExtreme capable but these features are disabled in safe mode resulting in some strange artifacts and banding in Safari on some web flash content. I cured the boot problem, restoring both features and the screen problems in Safari disappeared. Your problem may be that your card does not support CoreImage. System Profiler under graphics/displays will show whether CI - and Quartz - is supported. I think the minimum card required is agp (not pci) Geforce 5200 or later - or for ATI cards Radeon 9500 or later. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help - what does this mean?
On 19/12/10 03:27, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Good info. I have a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME, and was wondering if the cooling fan ever fails, will I get a similar warning? No - the warning is just for the 12v power connection to the card. However, the fan is easy to replace or lubricate if any problems arise and usually gives an early warning by becoming noisy. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
On 16/9/10 19:46, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Pete, I had gone to that page and it looked doable, but I wondered if there were any motherboard problems with the M5183 that would still cause problems. taping the pins looked like you'd better have a steady hand and plenty of patience, when they mentioned crazy glue I wondered if the article was not meant to be taken seriously. I think I'll give this a try and let you know if it works. I'm also wondering if this explains the problem the poster had last week. -Jim Truth be told it's not that difficult to do the tape method although the method shown on mac elite is probably not the easiest - I find it much easier to first stick a length of tape to a flat surface and cut a sliver off lengthways about 12th inch wide (I just guess) - then apply it to mask the pins and trim leaving enough extra just to curl under the bottom of the connector to make it more secure. Two minute job reallyyou will know if it's not correct as the mac will not boot but no damage is done to the mac or the card. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up
On 16/9/10 16:19, Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com wrote: Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set up) Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running their slide show for years. The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash, but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's my best guess) So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for $69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2 which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the ethernet/internet. But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---) Thanks, -Jim (Aerendel) If it has the three part agp connector (known as universal) it is 2x/4x/8x compatible - if it has only two parts it is 4x/8x compatible but will not physically fit in a 2x slot. BUT! - and a major but - all G4 models with ADC connection will not take an 8x card as Apple used the unused pins in the 4x spec to enable power to the ADC monitor. Some early G4 models like the Sawtooth were without ADC and are unaffected but the Digital Audio was affected and an 8x capable card will need to have pins three and eleven on the rear of the agp connector of the card isolated to emulate the 4x spec in order for the G4 to boot successfully. This can be done temporarily with tape or permanently by cutting the traces to the pins - a semi permanent fix can be achieved by removing the resistors controlling the pins which can be resoldered to restore the card to 8x capability. For more info see here.. http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format now nostalgia and a dozy QS
On 21/7/10 10:51, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: Still had a waxer for ultimate paste up plus photographs were still a task of the printer, (pre-press). That's me! Pre-press final film planner, platemaker, camera, scanner, Cromalin proofer et al extraordinaire. Boy were those early monotype and Linotype typesetting machines awesome - and the hand setters - compositors. Them were the days - when I were but a lad. Sad to see so many crafts dumbed down but progress marches on New thread - my QS is slow to recover from sleep - when I wake it with the keyboard it can take thirty seconds before the spinning ball disappears - preceded by a barely discernable HD sound. I have three ide drives in here - two on the main ide controller and one on the second controller with the optical drive (the optical is last on the cable). I seem to recall that mixing a HD and an optical on the same cable can be problematic but not exactly why. So before I start pulling the cables to isolate the drives does anyone have any experience of this? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On 20/7/10 07:16, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: It is not about Mac G hardware or one step removed. It is a good candidate for the Mac2Mac list or a list where people like to debate what plain text is while sending in rich text somewhere It is about display anomalies in relatively recent messages on this list which is supposed to be exclusively plain text - specifically those that do not display as plain text in the recipient's mail client to display in a width and font other than those set in the client's preferences. I started it by querying the format which overrides my prefs so I guess you would call it technical support. I didn't know that you could use rich text for email - only plain or html - I learn something new everyday.but now I need a new client to do rich text.I am not much wiser but I am content for the thread to pass away without mourners. AFAIAC - As far as I am concerned (I left out an A). But I have an excuse... I'm old! JT Aaahh - right. Ditto - I'm an oldster too - 60 - I wonder what the average age of the list is? - I suppose low end mac is a little long in the tooth now...but that's perhaps chatting though I may plead the lesser charge of debating - and I think chatting is verboten on the list - brings out the bandwidth brownshirts with their upper case weapons and exclamation mark machine guns.given that analogy I suppose an illuminated drop cap would be a nuke. Fatuous use of the font's capabilities rather then the capabilities of the language in my opinion. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On 20/7/10 08:19, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video No mention of the bus multipliers for the 100mhz bus - presumably the 450 cpu will have 4.5x and the 500 cpu will have 5x - or is that included with the system clock fiddling? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On 20/7/10 21:27, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: okay.. unpluged everything. removed everything from the usb bus but the keyboard and mouse. changed the chip. changed the jumper. removed the battery. Let it sit for 30 mins. pressed the cuda button for five seconds. put the battery back in. Chime. No Video. Turned it off. Pulled the 500 mhz chip and put the 400 mhz chip back in with jumper settings for a 450mhz. booted up fine. Have you tried booting it from an install disk? Is there just no video or do the hd's fail to spin up too? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Plain text format
On 19/7/10 03:39, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: You don't appear to be using plain text, (at least in my reader). sigh JT Hmm - I am experiencing this anomaly recently too. I've been on the lists for more years than I care to remember and originally used Claris Emailer under legacy - moving to Entourage in OSX (mainly because the interface is a dead ringer for Claris). The body of the mails I receive is set in my Entourage preferences to display in fixed width 10 point Monaco - used to be 9 point but now I'm over 60 and so are my eyes. The vast majority of the mail I get from the lists displays in this format but there are exceptions which appear to be html type formatlike this one... This is not up for debate. It has to due with the bandwidth that google allows our group etc. Plain text or leave the list. Sorry. Kyle Hansen LEM List Manager --- The first time Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be when they start making vacuum cleaners --- This did not appear in my client as fixed width nor was it 10 point Monaco - it was double width and in a Helvetica type sans serif font. Whilst this one from the same source sent shortly after I just did. I will do it again. THIS THREAD IS DEAD. DO NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC ANYMORE. FURTHER POSTS ON THIS TOPIC MAY RESULT IN A TEMPORARY BAN FROM THE LIST. This was the last thing I wanted to wake up to and read. Now back to the Tour de France on Tivo with a Mimosa in hand and my laptop open reading this list. --- The first time Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be when they start making vacuum cleaners --- displayed as my normal fixed width in 10 pt Monaco. Similarly posts from Stephen Conrad about the card reader are also double width and not Monaco but the smoother Helvetica (or whatever). I don't have a problem with this - in fact they look better as Monaco is not a particularly nice font. I suppose I could change the font but us oldsters don't like change. But I AM wondering what is causing plain text (if it is plain text) to display as a html lookalike...? Is this message in good old plain text for everyone? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On 19/7/10 11:19, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: I use Apple's Mail and have it set to only send out in plain text. To see if you are actually using plain text, just type out a few letters in a new mail. Then select all the text that you have type, click on Fonts, and it should default to Courier. Try to change the text and you'll get an alert to the effect that if you click to change font, you will be using RTF, otherwise click to use plain text. Plain text, (at least in my very long experience), always is the default to non-proportional Courier. That goes for the publishing biz as well. JT Entourage is a little different - there does not seem to be an option to choose or even see the font for outgoing plain text emails - set in stone I presume. Font choices are greyed out so I have no idea whether I am sending Courier or Monaco or whatever. Or just a default character set which is formatted on receipt. Incoming I have the choice to view or print in any of the fonts on my mac. You don't appear to be using plain text, (at least in my reader). sigh JT But when you wrote this what did you see in your reader - presumably not fixed width Courier. Was it full width and a html type font as I saw and if so was it plain text or html? I can't imagine Kyle sending html to the list. Bit of a puzzler.as I think Kyle uses Entourage tooperhaps a mistake Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On 19/7/10 13:54, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: What you observed, in this particular case, was kindof a cascade failure. Kevin Barth's reply in the thread was in rich text. Kyle replied to that, quoting Kevin, so his email client used the same format. Then James replied to that, and stripped some of the HTML. I thought about that when I originally received the mails and indeed tried it out in Entourage by hitting reply to those allegedly rich text mails - but my Entourage strips all the rich text from the quote by default leaving quotes as above with the leader - so I presumed Kyle's Entourage (mentioned in his headers) would do the same The font setting you put in your mail client is simply a default -- applied if the email message itself doesn't override it. It is overridden by the font tags in the rich/html email. You should be able to see this if you view the message in its raw form; in particular, look for the font and style tags. In some mail clients you can then bump the size, IF the html in the email doesn't include hard-coded specific sizes. ... My default is Lucinda 14, btw. HTH, - Dan. I can't find anything in Entourage which will allow me to see the raw form and hence the formatting and that simply leaves me not knowing what it is - plain text - html text - or rich text - that's if some clients have rich text as a third option. I hope you mean Lucida 14 - Lucinda 14 sounds like straying into Jerry Lee Lewis territory. I may try Lucida - Monaco is not the prettiest by any means... AFAIC, anything Microsoft is a minus. I used the reader in Nutscrape or SeaMonkey for a number of years but switched to Mail about a year ago. I have no particular bias against any tech companies - software is good or bad. Entourage is quite good - Excel is exactly what it says - excellent. What does AFAIC stand for? I know the one with the k at the end. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 13/7/10 12:29, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: OK. simple you say? I'm sure going to try to. I guess the trick here is getting the right cable. So to start how can I check positively the capability of my two DVI ports on my Radeon 9600 card? Then from there I should have part of the required info to choose a cable? I think I will want to also have the sound ported to the stereo or can it go to the TV and then the stereo? I have actually done this with a G5 iMac to two 42 inch plasma screens - one 480p and one 720p. The video was taken from the mini vga port into a 10 port vga 1600x1200 splitter and direct to the plasmas with vga cable. The audio was taken from the minijack headphone port of the iMac to a mixer then a 100w power amp and speakers. Alternatives to the mac output were provided by a DVD player and an AppleTV. Picture was very good on the plasmas but very poor on the mac desktop as the mirroring res was set by the second monitor at 480p which is dire on a monitor. 480p denotes the vertical res of the display and corresponds to a poor 640x480 res on a monitor - 720p corresponds to a better 1280x720 res and the best highdef is currently 1080p (or i - p is allegedly better) which corresponds to 1920x1080 which is good for a tv but not so good for a monitor - as I have a 21 multiscan now ten years old which can do better - notwithstanding the 22% screen loss of 16:9 compared to the old 4:3. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1652880/time-ditch-awful-hd-108 0p-widescreens Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 14/7/10 08:45, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 13/7/10 12:29, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: OK. simple you say? I'm sure going to try to. I guess the trick here is getting the right cable. So to start how can I check positively the capability of my two DVI ports on my Radeon 9600 card? Then from there I should have part of the required info to choose a cable? I think I will want to also have the sound ported to the stereo or can it go to the TV and then the stereo? I have actually done this with a G5 iMac to two 42 inch plasma screens - one 480p and one 720p. The video was taken from the mini vga port into a 10 port vga 1600x1200 splitter and direct to the plasmas with vga cable. The audio was taken from the minijack headphone port of the iMac to a mixer then a 100w power amp and speakers. Alternatives to the mac output were provided by a DVD player and an AppleTV. Picture was very good on the plasmas but very poor on the mac desktop as the mirroring res was set by the second monitor at 480p which is dire on a monitor. 480p denotes the vertical res of the display and corresponds to a poor 640x480 res on a monitor - 720p corresponds to a better 1280x720 res and the best highdef is currently 1080p (or i - p is allegedly better) which corresponds to 1920x1080 which is good for a tv but not so good for a monitor - as I have a 21 multiscan now ten years old which can do better - notwithstanding the 22% screen loss of 16:9 compared to the old 4:3. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1652880/time-ditch-awful-hd-108 0p-widescreens Pete Sorry that should have read 11% screen loss - getting old... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 12/7/10 22:07, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP There are a myriad of converters out there to enable this - most newish large screen tvs have vga or dvi input and will take a straight connection as a second monitor. The audio can go straight from the G5 minijack headphone port to a hifi or music system if you have one via a minijack to stereo left and right rca (red and white) plugs. If you want the audio into the tv also - you can use a scart adapter (one comes with every Xbox) on an external port of the tv with composite video and audio rca sockets - then you just need a vga to composite (single yellow) rca cable from the mac and you can run video and sound through the tv. Resolution shouldn't be a problem as HDTV is still pretty low res compared to monitors. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G-4 DA Video Questions
On 6/7/10 17:56, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@ednaisd.org wrote: I bought an ATI Video Card off of eBay, a 128 meg 9600XT and modified it to work in a G-4 DA. The card works, but the fan screams like hell. Do I need the fan? I have a couple of PCs with 128meg and 512 megs and neither of them even have fans. Is the fan necessary? Thanks, Dennis I'm afraid so - unless you have access to a passive heatsink which will do the job. Some 9800 Pro ultimate models had huge fanless heatpipe heatsinks - if you google the model you will no doubt find some to view but they were less than successful and space hogs inside the case - taking a ram slot out of action and often a pci slot too depending on the mobo. For noisy heatsink/fans attached to the PCB with spring plungers you can carefully remove it, clean it with a fine paintbrush and put a drop or two of fine oil onto the spindle beneath the central sticker - shoild lessen the noise. Or if that fails the fan spindle is usually held in place in the bearing with a plastic circlip, this also can be carefully removed releasing the whole fan/spindle assembly and exposing the topside of the bearing. High temp grease can then be applied to all the relevant parts and then it can be reassembled, remounted with new thermal paste or the existing paste if you have not disturbed it and will probably run noiselessly unless the bearing or spindle is damaged or scored. Damaged is definitely terminal and requires a replacement fan - but a simple score on the spindle can be moved to a less noisy position by the addition of a very thin shim beneath the circlip. Noisy heatsink/fans which are glued to the GPU are a less attractive proposition for lubrication.not impossible but risky Running the card without the fan will lead to it's swift demise... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
On 28/6/10 20:09, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hi All: I am looking to upgrade the video in my DA dual 533. I found the following card on eBay: MAC nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 AGP Video Card 128MB VRAM Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/MAC-nVidia-GeForce4-Ti-4600-AGP-Video-Card-128MB-VRAM-/110 550696900?cmd=ViewItempt=PCC_Video_TV_Cardshash=item19bd55c3c4 Is this a good card? Is it as powerful as the seller says it is? Thanks, Dennis It's an old card and though it supports Qextreme it does not support CoreImage - so if you would like to have CoreImage you will need a minimum GeForce 5200 or better - for Radeon cards a 9600/9700/9800 Pro - the higher the better. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New video card help...
On 24/6/10 08:46, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need help on this one, so try your best. I recently picked up myself a nice deal on a new video card. for $60, I got myself an ATI Radeon 9550 AGP 8x with 256MB of DDR2 Video RAM. I am pretty much fed up with even my 64MB Nvidia Geforce 4 MX/MX440 ADC card from my dual 1.0Ghz quicksilver, because is still doesn't perform what I call Perfect under Leopard, so I got myself 4X the video card for this upgrade. I need to know, how can I get an ATI Radeon 9550 with 256MB of VRAm to work happily on a PM G4 Sawtooth? I don't want to do board soldering, I just ant a simple solution that works. Your help will be much appreciated. I tried google, Bing, Yahoo, Ask, and all of those other search sites, and nothing really helpful came up because it didn't WORK. The 9550 with DDR2 cannot be flashed for use in a mac - 9500/9700/9800 Pro models are all flashable to mac but the 9550 was never successfully converted and AFAIK no suitable rom is available. 9800 Pro/XT is your best Radeon bet - no soldering required with the reduced bios available. Beware also the newish cheap Radeon copies coming fron China with TSOP (oblong) memory and half the data width - you need an older genuine Radeon with BGA (square) ram chips. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IDK how to flash a video card
On 16/6/10 05:56, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have been an expert on computers since the dawn of the DOS systems, and this is something i really am stumped on. I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 AGP with 256Mb DDR2 RAM AGP 8X, and it's a PC card. Can somebody show me step by step instructions to get it working on my PM G4 Sawtooth? I really am even now bugged by the Nvidia GeForce 4's performance with a measly 64Mb of RAM. If you're familiar with dos that's the way to go for video card flashing - on an old windows pentium pc - boot it up in dos from a floppy boot - remove the boot floppy and insert the disk with the utilities for flashing and the rom(s). The dos utilities are Flashrom, Atiflash for ATI and Nvflash for Nvidia cards. Run the dos commands to flash the card bios - shutdown the pc and put the card in a mac. It can get a little more complicated depending on the card - some are definitely not flashable, some have hardware partial locks on the rom chip so a reduced rom is required - and for some Nvidia cards the mac rom may need editing to include some of the info from the pc version of the rom - bootstraps etc. Here's a general explanation though... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-general-flashing Nvflash is available here along with all the other utilities http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Utilities/BIOS_Flashing/NVIDIA/ Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dying GPUs?
On 9/5/10 01:04, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Is it DOS or the DOS command shell under Windows that the card patching programs need. I always figured they were DOS programs because those writing them were too lazy to create a GUI. It's plain old DOS usually - booted from a floppy to the flashing A drive prompt so you can easily fashion a DOS boot floppy for each card you may wish to flash. Flashing can be done with Windows running with apps like WinFlash etc but the problem is that the Windows flashing apps are unlikely to recognise or use a mac rom. It's also worth pointing out that many Radeon cards are flash locked to access only 64K of the rom and full mac roms are 128K. So reduced roms or high soldering skills are required - reducing is done by removing more than half of the mac rom data. Unlocking via soldering requires moving very very small resistors. The rom chip onboard the card may also be only 64K but they are quite easy to replace with 128K chip. Cards flashed with a reduced mac rom should then be flashed again in a mac using Graphiccelerator 1.3.3a utility and the full mac rom as it ignores the 64K lock. All great fun Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: can i use this video card?
On 8/5/10 20:48, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: i have recently bought an ATI Radeon 9600 with 256MB video RAM. I know I have to do some tweaking to put it in a PM G4 graphite Sawtooth It is a PC card. I have Leopard on the sawtooth right now, but the video card has only 64MB video RAM. The video card in it right now is an Nvidi GeForce 4 MX/MX 440 with 64MB of RAM. I want to put in the radeon for better graphics. I originally had an ATI RAGE 128 Pro in it with a measely 16MB of VRAM, and it was unbearable to work with. Dashboard lagged, and the icon animation effect wook 5 minutes to do one bounce cycle. With this GeForce card, I have good graphics, dashboard is really smooth, and everything is great as far as OS X goes. But when I play online games like super mario flash, i lags. The Windows do minimize smoothly and everything is good, I just want an even better video card. The PC 9600 models are mostly unusable in a mac - those that will convert must have BGA ram (square) rather than the slower TSOP ram (oblong). See. http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9600bga even though it may be convertible to mac it may suffer from reduced performance or non working ports. The 9500/9700/9800/XT models are more easy to convert. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On 10/2/10 21:30, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks a lot! That link from Pete is precious; I can mention it to the company so they can check for themselves... (Note that it runs over two lines that should be connected before pasting into the browser.) Geke I wondered about the long two line link before I posted it but I'm not too certain about the conventions for links in plain text mailings. I thought - and we all know what thought did - a long link which makes more than one line is ok if unhyphenated during the paste and then enclosed by . When I received my posted message I tried the link and it worked fine - so is it just the hyphenation that breaks long links? I have tiny url in my tabs bar but tend not to use it if there is no hyphen at the line break Ebay links are notoriously long. There are also other reviews in the ebay review section which cover the low/high density ram problem - maybe a dozen or so Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On 10/2/10 14:21, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: The bottom line first: If a 512MB PC133 SDRAM RAM module for the G4 Digital Audio has chips on one side of the stick only, can it be low-density? Thanks in advance! Geke I don't think sosee http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Myth-Low-Density-vs-High-Density-memory-modules_W 0QQugidZ101236187 for a better explanation. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 2GHZ Graphics Problem
On 8/2/10 17:53, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah it does sound stupid, however the pennies are taped together VERY well, and are taped to the surface VERY well, unfortunately the problem is back so I'm thinking of trying to reflow the solder on that chip. Any ideas of how to do this? -Jonas You need someone with a hot air smt solder rework station - blows very hot air through varied sizes of nozzles depending on the accuracy required.I have an Aoyue 909 which has been very useful. If using a different method like a normal hot air gun (paint stripper) or the oven method beware of components which are soldered through the board - these can fall off altogether if not supported. You can improve your accuracy with a hot air gun by masking all but the targeted area with metal foil - it's difficult without a rework station though. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?
On 4/2/10 21:51, Mark chris...@fuse.net wrote: Which brings up the question, how are you printing? From an inkjet ? Sending files to a printing company as PS/PDF ? Just an Epson R340 for all of the printing - printable cd/dvd too. Print resolution is max 5760dpi with six colours so colour print is very high quality - comparable to a print house though economical inkjet has some problems with the black range - much improved with the new expensive models (R2400 etc) which have three shades of black. The paper I use is Kodak Picture Paper - two sided glossy 190gsm - just like a heavy art. Choosing a working colourspace in Pshop and sticking with it is also absolutely necessary as the transformation of RGB additive colourspace to six colour subtractive space for the inks can be badly affected by changing profiles. I use the small monitor space - sRGB - as all my kit is small gamut. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?
On 5/2/10 01:29, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: If the text is done in bit map then it should be dismissed. For stuff going to printers you want it all in vector except for actual photos. The alternative is to raise the working resolution of the document beyond the point where bitmapped text is noticeable - above 200 pixels per inch the bitmapping is not visible - I use 360ppi so the results are identical to vector quality - and if it's going to a printer the fonts are not required. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?
On 4/2/10 19:10, Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Needed: An app with which to create/design flyers and posters in which images and text can be manipulated, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Not for for-hire professional graphics, but for small business promotion (musician/band). Capability for CD disc, cover and insert art/graphics/text desirable but not necessary. Main purpose: to create/design flyers and posters through manipulation of art, photos and text in an app/program/ software. Best would be somewhere between dumbest template biz models and learning-curve-intensive (and expensive) pro models. Freeware, shareware preferred but paying for good honest useable and affordable value is just fine as well. Hit me! Thanks Get an old copy of Photoshop - 7.0.1 or later - does all the lot way better than anything else - images, text, transparency, filters, special effects, templates etc etc. I use it for cd/dvd inserts and liners, flyers, booklets, menus etc - even preparing the printable cd and dvd images which are then printed on the disc with Epson PrintCD. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can anyone help?
On 3/2/10 12:55, Norm Rowe nrow...@roadrunner.com wrote:
Been here before and thanks for the help but my problem continues. First
I can not afford a new intel mac or evan a good used ppc mac. My screen
is now OK with a addition of new ATI 9800 Mac Pro video card. Now the
power button still does nothing, the restart button does. Took out the
switch and there is nothing you can clean. Tried pushing just the the
switch, no luck. I have bought a new mother board on eBay and that does
the same thing as the original board with the addition on not being able
to connect to the internet. Put the old board back in and am now
connected. Other problems. On restart the Mac still sometimes goes into
open firmware and must type mac-boot. Eventually after several tries it
will boot up. Apple jack reports { 41 918440 } UniNEtnet :: restart
over and over in pink letters after doing it's thing. Push return and
then enter exit or re-boot to get going again. I have 3 hard drives
which I have erased and installed new copies of OS 10.5.8 on each. I
bought a Western Digital Passport drive less than a year ago and it was
working fine until I switched from Time Machine to Carbon Copy Cloner.
Now it will not mount. In disk utilities it shows up but will not erase.
No argument is the error and the same when I try to partition it. I
bought it at the Apple store and I am taking it back there to-day. The
same thing happens with the new and old main boards. Does anyone have
any ideas on how to fix this. The video board and the external drive had
problems after the swap to CCC. I love my mac and want to have it
working. Where other than the main board does the mac store information
that is causing my problems?
Norm
Notwithstanding the spec of your mac and the HD's I have experienced this
'type' of problem when running multi boot systems in G4 Sawtooth and QS
models - especially when drives larger than 128GB were installed. Have you
got all three HDs installed or are the problems there with just a single
drive?
Pete
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Re: nVidia Geforce 6200 vs Radeon 9600 Pro 64 MB
On 30/1/10 16:30, PM7500 jburke...@comcast.net wrote: If it's an 8x card you need to tape over pins 3 and 11 to make it work in a 4x AGP slot Powermac. The 8x specification hadn't been finalized at the time Apple made the Digital Audio Powermacs so they used the unused pins to carry power for an ADC monitor so you have to insulate the pins on the video card so that power doesn't get through and fry the card. Also, the Powermac G5 uses an AGP Pro slot which is longer than an AGP slot. You can use AGP Pro cards in an AGP slot but they require surgery to get them to fit. You can do a Google search for all the information on getting them to work. Having the pins untaped will not damage the card or the mac - the mac wil simply not boot until the pins are isolated. Pin taping or isolating by any method is required for all mac models with adc type connection via the agp slot - so some 2x agp G4 models also require it. Early Sawtooth and Cubes did not have adc so the taping is unecessary as pins 3 and 11 have no function on those models. Isolation can also be done by cutting the traces to the pins or removing the resistors which control them for a more permanent and less messy method. I think nail varnish will also do the job - never come across it though Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What's the latest in monitors?
On 30/1/10 17:08, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I'm looking to buy something (maybe the lcd-type screen), to project clear still images, so I can work in a painting studio from pictures I've taken outdoors. Wondering about projecting a single image for relatively long periods of time using one of my G4s (Yikes! with 9200Pro, QS with GeForce 4MX, or DA with 9800Pro). Would like something fairly large in 48 wide range and proportionately tall, that provides near exact reproduction of a digital image ... whatever that means. Would be nice to be able to rotate the large screen / monitor for either portrait or landscape orientations. Keep seeing Samsung ... lcd in ads ... is lcd the way to go? or was it led? Recommendations / Experience? Thanks Led is the latest - lcd is ok but has viewing angle problems - plasma is better quality than lcd but more expensive - crt is marginally better than lcd and plasma for colour, resolution, brightness and contrast. If I had to recommend I'd go for a large plasma - the newer the better as the colours deteriorate with age. Monitor or television either will do as long as it has vga and/or dvi and either can be run from the computer - ATI Displays advanced controls can be used with the 9800 or the 9200 to flip the display 90% to portrait or landscape - though flipping the large screen 90% may require a very sturdy mechanism. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Entourage onMac - identity crisis
On 30/11/09 12:49, Geoff Black bla...@telkomsa.net wrote: Microsoft Entourage had built up a 16 Gb Identities folder in Entourage office 2004. I upgraded to MSO 2008 and it transferred the identity to the new version. None of the mail wants to open. It reccomends a rebuild of the database when i try to re-import this file, but the identity or database will not list as a database in the MSO import dialogue box. The installer of MSO 2008 deleted the older version od MSO - however I always have a backup. To me the identity file of 16 Gb is far too big. When i try to copy the database it reports a corrupt file. and stops copying. How do I get my mail back. This is the only mac I have used entourage on. Is there anyway of disecting the file found in UsersUSERNAME DocumentsMICROSOFT USER DOCSIDENTITIES This runs a Powerbook - 2.3 Ghz DC intel, 250gb hdd and OS X 10.4 9. MSO was 2004 upgraded to MSO 2008 Import identity database fails. Rgds geoff b Strange - my identity dbase is just 160MB - but this dbase is also shared by Excel and Word and whatever else of the Office suite is used. Have you tried switching identities in Entourage? Or accessing the id dbase in excel or word? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 31/10/09 05:10, PETER WARNER pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: Having updated the ROM to the August 05 (130), I still had the same problems. Then I re-read this, and it caught my eye. My stock frequencies in ATIccellerator II are listed as Processor 378 MHz, and Memory 337.50 MHz. So I took your advice, and underclocked down to the 9700 speeds you listed, and the problem went away. I then, slowly, brought them back up, evenly, until I got corruption again. I then went back a step or two until I had a stable display. The settings are now Processor 353.25 MHz, and Memory 315.00 MHz. Go figure... Why would my card have the higher frequencies set in it? And, will underclocking damage the card? Thanks so much for the help everyone! One other thing, ATIccellerator lets you set it to the custom frequencies at login. But during boot/the Login screen, it still has those higher frequencies. if they are to high, can that be damaging my card? Is setting custom frequencies something Graphiccelerator can do in the ROM? And is that worth the risk of playing around with? Peter 378/337 are the standard speeds for the pc version of this card - 350/300 WERE the standard speeds of the ME though they may have changed up to 378/337 over the life of the card as the core was updated to R360 from R350 and faster memory was used. Underclocking will not in itself damage the card and is a good way to get more mileage from high power graphics cards as they run proportionately cooler - but underclocking will not repair a card. A card with artifacts at stock speeds has some kind of problem - if it disappears when the card is downclocked the problem is likely overheating so the first thing I would do is service the heatsink and fan or look for an alternative like an IceQ - though their bulk is a problem. The higher frquencies at boot are unlikely to damage the card as the performance required from it at that stage is pretty low but downclocking can be done permanently by editing the speeds in the rom with Graphiccelerator and flashing the revised rom onto the card. It wouldn't be my first course of action as the card would still have unsolved problems - so I would try and get it back to 100% working at full speed first. But if you've never removed a heatsink and are hesitant to mess with it the downclocked flash would be an alternative choice. Strange how it seems to like the old standard ME speeds 350/300 ish.. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 31/10/09 12:47, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My apologies if I sounded like I was being patronizing ... that was not my intention. It had also, always been my experience to perform download the latest drivers whenever there seemed to be a software/hardware issue. But the advice I got, and tried to pass along, was regarding ATI drivers, and this changed somewhere along the way. ATI being taken over by AMD, or something to that effect. If someone reading this goes to 10.5.8, I believe it stands: it is suggested that you should stay with the Apple supplied drivers. Thank You for bringing this to my attention. There are no downloadable drivers for radeon cards for any version of OSX to my knowledge - just the rom updates and the ATI Displays Preferences pane - a visit to ati.amd.com will confirm that. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 30/10/09 15:53, PETER WARNER pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: Any Ideas? Here are my specs: G4 Gigabit Ethernet Dual 450 1 Gig of matched RAM (4...@256 PC 133-333) 6 port PCI USB 2 card USB devices are mostly powered, or on a powered hub Acer X183H 1360x768 @ 60Hz 18.5 WS monitor ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac Edition (not flashed PC version), ROM revision 113-A07525-114 OS 10.4.11 Regards, Peter M Warner Could be a few things - first thing to check is the heatsink and fan as overheating causes display problems - so the heatsink should be removed, cleaned and the old thermal paste removed and replaced with new stuff. Then the fan should be cleaned and checked that it is working as it should. While the card is out is a good time to visually check for any other damage. If it is still problematic after that the 2005 ATI Rom Update might do something for it. If not it's probably a component failing and the card is possibly doomed. The display problems might be avoided and the card's life stretched out a while longer by underclocking - it's a last gasp effort though. I think the Mac Edition 9800 Pro was 350mhz core and 300mhz ram so it will easily come down to 9700 Pro speeds - 325 core/290 memory without much loss of performance. Aticcelerator can perform the underclocking. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Radeon 9800 Gig Ethernet
On 30/10/09 20:18, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: If there's a way to do it under OS X 10.5.8 or even under OS 9, I would oblige. Unfortunately, my Compaq Presario is somewhat gutted ... and has rolled over, dead. There's a program called Graphiccelerator which you can access from the same site as Aticcelerator which comes with a rom dumper so you can extract your rom in OSX - it appears in the same folder as the dumper as I recall and also generates a text of your bios. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another
On 29/10/09 00:08, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: the scanner's colorsync profile is messed up on the weird G4, I'll bet. Go into /Library/ColorSync/Profiles on the weird G4 I'll bet there's a folder marked HP, possibly in a folder called scanners. Replace that folder with the analogous one from the other G4. There *might* be a profile for it in your user Library/ColorSync/ Profiles folder as well. As above, replace it with known good copies. Uninstalls rarely remove everything, and sometimes re-installs don't replace existing files. -- Bruce Johnson It will be down to the profiles - the colour is independent of the mac model and totally dependent on the colour mamnagement. Each scanner should have it's own profile generated by the manufacturer to guarantee consistency of colour regardless of model or even platform. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP ATI 9800 Pro in a dual DA 533?
On 26/10/09 04:51, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Under Leopard 10.5.8, will an ATI Radeon 9800Pro work ok in a DA Dual 533? Currently have a GeForce 4MX, which performs OK, minus hardware accelerated Core Image, but I have the 9800 in my QS and don't use it a lot now. The DA is being used daily, and am wondering if it can take the extra power drain and will function better. Yes Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP ATI 9800 Pro in a dual DA 533?
On 26/10/09 10:21, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: 9800s are supposed to only go in computers that have a 300W PSU or greater especially the 256mb cards as they draw considerably more power than older video cards like the standard Rage Pros. Whats in the DA - a 308W PSU ? Stewie I ran one in a Sawtooth with a 200w PS for a couple of years with no probs - depends on usage I guess - I say that because I don't actually know for definite why the 300w is a recommendation but the 9800 has variable power draw according to usage. Perhaps a bigger PS would be advisable for heavy 3d gaming or whatever - for general usage even 200w seems ok as long as the mac is not maxed out with other power drawing components. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Agp Help
On 13/10/09 05:08, Erik Hancock ehanc...@concentric.net wrote: Had my AGP bite the dust power system or logic board Was smoking and sizzling as soon as power cord plugged in alt power supply no help. Purchased a used AGP and swapped the drives and now not sure if it is booting up correctly VGA out is not getting signal nor is the DVI to the Apple cinema display. In old mac I had the Radeon 9800 but looks like the fan was fried not sure if I should swap out the cards and risk frying the new system or to see if I can find my original AGP display card for the VGA monitor. Any suggestions to try before swapping cards in case unit is trying to determine whether VGA vs DVI is active or if Pram or other method can be tried to startup system? Can tell some settings are changed off of old system (10.4) because the network and attached HDD/DVD on Firewire hubs are not present. Other advice? Holler back on or off-list Thanks Erik Hancock What's an AGP? - a Sawtooth? If the old card is a 9800 what's the new/used card with no signal. Very rarely a zap of the nvram and the pram - by holding the comm/opt/p/r keys immediately after the chime - will cure a fault - worth a trya cuda press will also reset the mobo. If it will boot and display with an OSX installation disk the problem may be the system on the HD. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Agp Help
On 13/10/09 14:51, Erik Hancock ehanc...@concentric.net wrote: Yes - Sawtoowth AGP version - the current card with no signal is the ATI Rage - presumably the original version (DVI and VGA ) posts. Tried the pram reset and to boot off master disc - with no video - found original rage 128 card and will try that - would pressing PMU reset be worth trying ? Secondly - On radeon card I found the fan was fried - is if possible to replace fan (easily removed from heat sink) and have a good card or is it possible that the card fried with over heating? Thanks Erik It's very easy to replace the fan on a 9800 - just three screws and the power connection - and a lot of the fans are interchangeable. The card may survive overheating for a good while so it's worth trying another fan. Entire heatsink and fan assembly is also easy to remove and refurbish with fresh thermal transfer goop - usually just two plunge clips holding it on. If you have another mac on lan and you think it's just the video you can use vnc (chicken of the vnc is free) or remote desktop to view the screen of the mac with no video to see what is happening... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac 233mhz tiger? how?
On 23/9/09 18:50, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: No firewire...on this imac. Jeff On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Dan wrote: Connect the iMac to another Mac via firewire Target Disk Mode then use CCC to slam the system over. I put Tiger on a stinky pinky (strawberry) 333mhz G3 iMac by removing the 80 gig hard drive and putting it in a G4 - installed Tiger - put it back in the iMac - ran ok with about three or four hundred megs of ram - updated ok - used it for a file server... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video card install
On 23/9/09 07:40, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Turn off your machine, open it, put the power cord back in (the wall socket to off position though) and have everything ready. Touch the metal part of the QS (not any electronics!). Handle both cards by the edges only (just look and don't touch the electronic looking bits). Gently rock the existing resident length-wise till it feels a bit loose and pull straight up then. Reverse action for replacing. Press firmly in. Close up and that's about it. The rest is easy enough when you start up, check your monitor control panel and screens for the correct res and set up. -- dorayme My quicksilver had an agp spring lock which latches into the corresponding hooked piece on the card - the hooked bit with no pins. You will need to put pressure on the plastic spring to free the card and slide it out. When you put the new card in the spring lock will click into place and hold it firmly in place.mine has now snapped off due to my being heavy handed with it - I don't miss it though. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video Driver Question.
On 21/9/09 15:59, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Gus wrote: Also, I bought this card from ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120468674399 I was told this would also alleviate my video blacking problem. Unfortunately, you bought an AGP Radeon 7000. Your Beige G3 only has PCI slots. You need a PCI Radeon 7000. That card will not work or fit in your beige. Len The description is a little wayward but the card seems to be pci - see question at the bottom. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Upgrade - Radeon 7000 card - images freeze and break up
On 21/8/09 14:56, corolla2 victoria.mie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I recently bought a Power Mac G4 Sawtooth and made several upgrades to it with no problems -- until I added a ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Edition video card. My G4 is running OS X 10.4, updated to 10.4.11. It has a Sonnet Encore ST G4 1GB processor; 1.25 GB of RAM; and a 120 GB IBM Deskstar/Apple hard drive. It is attached to a 23 acrylic Cinema Display. I use the ADC to DVI adapter from Apple in order to connect to the computer. I took out the old Rage 128 Pro card that was stock with the computer. I followed the seller's instructions to install the Radeon 7000 card, as follows: I installed the card driver and the control panel software, then shut down the computer. I took out the Rage 128 card and put in the Radeon one and started up the machine. The computer displays the desktop and applications fine. It plays YouTube movies, though in a choppy manner. When I try to play a DVD, however, the screen suddenly freezes up and breaks up into bright green and white stripes of pixels. I can't force quit or restore the screen image. This also happens when I let the computer go into sleep mode and then wake it up. The screen freezes with the green and white stripes of frozen pixels. When the computer freezes, the only option is to turn it off. I tried reinstalling the Radeon driver and control panel software. I restarted the computer and tried to play a DVD again, but it still freezes and displays the stripes. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Along similar ines of other replies I don't think you need any drivers for the Radeon series of cards - and I've never heard of a control panel for OSX - do you mean ATI Displays prefs pane? The last rom update for the 7000 was January 2005 - maybe you should try running that - it's available from their site just search for ati drivers and it will take you to the drivers page - there are two options only to download - the ATI Displays and the Jan 2005 rom update. If your card is agp it's probably a flashed card as I think the Radeon 7000 mac edition was pci - and this is something you REALLY need to know before applying the rom update - because if it is a flashed card and has not had the full mac rom chip fitted the rom update will try to write 128k of data to a 64k chip and bugger the card. Let me know if you need to know more... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On 6/7/09 21:37, Michael Koch troutcr...@ncwcom.com wrote: Question to All Has anyone gotten OverDrive to work; in overcoming the 128Gb limit ? I installed it on the wife's G4 Dual 500 and it makes on difference. When i go to find update, I get file not found. Any advice Thank You I used to use the Intech ATA Hi-Cap support driver for larger drives (than 128GB) on a Sawtooth - always worked well. Never tried OverDrive... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flashing PCI video cards for G4's - tape pins?
On 4/7/09 23:48, joplinfan kawni...@cableone.net wrote: Hi all, I'm getting ready to flash a BFG / Geforce 6200 and a Radeon 9250... both standard PCI cards... to use in my MDD G4 1ghz towers. Been studying up on the process at The Mac Elite website where it mentions that AGP cards require tape to be placed over some of the pins due to Apple's non standard AGP configuration... but I can't find any info where this would be required for a PCI card. Anyone know? Thanks, Steve No taping required but you've picked two problematical cards - the agp 6200 is well known for it's dislike of MDD towers - works ok for the rest of the mac line but not recommended for MDD - pci may be ok - it's a try it and see... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/compatibility There was no 9250 model for the mac so the 9200 rom has to be hacked with the 9250 DID and the flashed 9250 will show as a 9200. The vast majority of the 9200/9250 pc versions were 64 bit wide and the mac version was 128 bit. If your 9250 is 64 bit you will lose half the memory after the flash - so a 9250 128MB card becomes a 9200 64MB mac card and so on Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: converting a g5 9800 x8 card to a g4 4x card with the tape hack questions
On 3/7/09 15:31, Roger Deghetto ppcpowerma...@yahoo.com wrote: i know if you take a radeon 9800 out of a g5 the one with dvi /adc ports you have to tape pins 3 and 11 to get it to work in a 4x g4 what id like to know does doing that disable the adc port in other words would i still be able to use my secondry adc display? thanks roger I don't think a mac edition 9800 from a G5 will work in a G4 without quite serious work - the pinouts were altered when the 8x agp spec came in. In the 4x agp spec pins 3 and 11 were unused by the peecee folk but Apple pinched them for the adc connection - so when the pins were claimed by the 8x spec Apple had to rearrange their adc connectors and remove them from the main slot - called it agp pro. It effectively meant that no 8x capable card could be used in a 2x/4x adc type slot - as the adc connections on 3 and 11 of the slot would prevent booting - see... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 I think the change to the adc connectors meant that a mac edition radeon 9800 from the G5 8x agp pro slot will not physically fit in the G4 older type adc slot due to the changes. I do remember seeing an article about adapting one but that was long ago. The taping of pins 3 and 11 is usually used widely to put 8x capable flashed pc cards in an older 2x/4x slot. Whilst the slot speed will stay the same - later gpu and memory configurations are a hell of a lot faster... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: eMac motherboard swaps
On 25/6/09 23:49, dev0001 ocd...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone happen to know if you can swap an eMac 1 GHZ motherboard and assembly into an original 700 MHz model? I swapped a 1ghz emac mobo into an 800mhz emac - but I seem to recall the 700mhz is a different fit for the output ports - no firewire or something along those lines which makes it more difficult Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce4 MX Core Image Support (Not?)
On 21/6/09 02:57, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I recently put my GeForce4 MX in my new Digital Audio Dual 533, and was at least expecting Software Support for Core Image. Running Tiger 10.4.11, with PCI Extreme (from a previous setup), now set back to AGP. But no. When I restart into my Leopard 10.5.7 clone partition, is says Core Image Support, but I don't get any ripple effects when playing with adding Widgets to the Dashboard. Could someone explain what I am missing ... a GPU on the 4MX? I've googled, and started a dead end thread on nvidia's forum. Any G3-G5 help out there? Bill Connelly As I remember the specs for core image require a minimum Geforce 5 - I think the 5200 card is the oldest to support it. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
On 9/6/09 18:45, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: Seeking a reliable web resource or resources to become knowledgeable in choosing a color critical Monitor for myself. My google searches looking for websites or webpages were ludicrously scatter shot and mostly 'forum' posts dating back as much as multiple years and no way to differentiate from the 'knowledgeable', the opinionated, the flamer, the fan-boy, or the statistically irrelevant person screaming far and wide over some defective unit they encountered. I'm 'provisionally' settled on the DELL ULTRASHARP 2408WFP 24-inch Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor which is a cnet award winner and highly reviewed there. The link to dell is http://accessories.us.dell.com/ sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx? c=usl=ens=dhscs=19sku=320-6272. I' The current Apple displays are permanently non-options due to glossy screens. I've also seen them described as wonderful and pathetic for critical color in the exact same web forum! I don't know where to go to become an Informed Consumer as I shop for a display. My budget for a monitor is open to spending 5, 6, or 7 hundred bucks on a terrific display. Richard Colour critical monitors are usually classed as prepress monitors - very high end with very high end prices. Eizo ColorEdge are allegedly amongst the best flat panel if you are aiming that high. If not there are a wealth of choices - ok for everyday use but colour critical they are not - Samsung are quite good, Phillips are quite good (they provide some for Dell) etc. But flat panels still have a way to go to display realistic colour - WYSIWYG from screen to print is generally poorer on flat panels compared to crt and even plasma. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
On 9/6/09 20:27, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: Me thinks I overstated my hopes and expectations! I'm not seeking a mission critical or pre-press/soft-proof grade Monitor, per se. I'm thinking more along the lines of Beautiful Monitor to live with and use for Photography Management and Editing, that is a terrific Video/dvd/movie wating device, and is eminently reliable/repeatable for using a ColorSpyder or ColorMunki calibrator with. I want what I see and 'do' with an image to be repeatable between now and next month and next year as long as I'm bring the file up on a screen calibrated to the same 'standards' as employed by the color management device. I am seeing 'posters' decrying the '@ss-munching Apple Displays and other 'posters' having a verbal-wet-dream describing Apple Displays! Confusion Reigns in the AussieShep Home! Richard In that case I can certainly recommend the latest Samsungs - I just bought a 23 last week and they certainly are beautiful. The 24 is here.with gallery shots...greater contrast and faster response time than the Dell... http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150970# Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ATI 9800 TV Problem
On 5/5/09 22:00, starrf...@valley.net starrf...@valley.net wrote: I'm running an ATI 9800 Pro Mac Version in a Quicksilver. Usually I have two LCD monitors on it, but once I used the TV output for a special job. Since then the board thinks there's a TV attached to it and always creates a TV screen which I can see in the Monitors Preferences Arrangement pane. It uses resources an sometimes things get lost in that part of the screen so I want to get rid of it but I can't see how. I have the latest ATI software and have read the docs with care. No luck. There is a checkbox in the ATI prefs that tells the board to always see a TV whether or not it detects one, but it is not checked. Ideas? Rich Can't you just trash the displays preferences and reboot? Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ATI 9800 TV Problem
On 6/5/09 14:09, Nesta nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Where exactly are these preferences located on the system's HD? I've heard so many people use the phrase trash the preferences without direction on where they are. It's important since deleting stuff in OS X can be problematic. I assume they are in the user/library/preferences or the -/library/preferences though in the case of displays they may be in the folder 'by host' in users. Here's a more careful approach to it... http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac031704.html Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video card question
On 3/5/09 22:28, roger deghetto linuxuse...@yahoo.com wrote: im working out a trade for a ati all in wonder 9800 pro video card guy said its not flshed but he also said he thinks it will work in a mdd g4 im taking it since it is a 9800 pro it will or am i thinking wrong thanks roger I don't think the all in wonder 9800 cards can be flashed/used in a mac as there is probably no mac bios available - but take a look at the 9800 buyers guide at the wiki http://themacelite.wikidot.com/flasher-s-buying-guide-9800 Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing a GeForce 4MX ...
On 8/4/09 06:37, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Now I did a Restart with C for the Installation DVD, and I get video. Doesn't that mean the card is ok, somethings wrong from the OS X partitions holding the system? or is something wrong with my hard drive? If you get video with your OS installer then it must be your hd operating system which is missing something needed to drive the 4MX - possibly an nvidia driver extension or maybe the whole nvidia drivers. An archive and install would be required to fix itas it seems the installation DVD has the required drivers...have you trashed any extensions? Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing a GeForce 4MX ...
On 7/4/09 19:43, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: The ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition, I thought, was supposed to be ready for the QS 2002 ... no taping required. I have now removed the battery for 20 minutes, and am waiting awhile after replacing for it to build the mobo back up. Do I also need to do a cmd/opt/p/r, for my first Startup, if I remove the battery as described? or does removing the battery do that for me? refresh the PRAM? NVRAM? Also, does removing the battery, replace the need to push the CUDA button? As much as I've done this, I'm not clear on a proper sequence anymore ... had another birthday yesterday ... Bill Oh - right - it's a mac card - forget the tapeyes to the first startup as I believe the previous settings are stored as rom which is read at startup - I don't think removal of the battery will erase rom as would the cmd/opt/p/r which erases the pram and nvram settings and rewrites them from the boot process - so it should read the bios of the 4mx and write the info into the nvram settings. If all else fails the cuda is well worth a try - just resets the mobo - instructions as to the use of the cuda vary but I press it just once for a min 30 secs - probably an old wives tale or a throwback to the classic days - black screen of death and the vulcan deathgrip key commands...etc - those were the days. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing a GeForce 4MX ...
On 7/4/09 17:05, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I tried the trashing of the Extensions.mkext, so far no help there. Is the wire with the square shaped head in the airport slot area, just the airport wire? Does it have to be touching anything? I moved it away from the metal slot/cage area so it wouldn't touch ... it had been held there by a wire twist. Still having trouble booting into 10.5.6 after re-inserting my original video card. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Usually resetting the pram and nvram cures any problems with a change of graphics card - however - the cmd/opt/p/r keys must be held down before the grey screen appears - especially for the nvram. Success at resetting the nvram will result in the mac displaying the default 640x480 setting. There may also be a boot into open firmware command for itthough I am guessing at the moment.Also if you are replacing an 8x agp card (Radeon 9800 Pro)in a mac which has the small adjacent adc slot with a standard 2x/4x card the 8x card must have been taped on pins 3 and 11 or had the pins removed. No tape left in the slot perhaps...? Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA 533 gets stuck at boot
On 5/4/09 18:42, diane di...@mathermotorsports.com wrote: At 1:25 PM -0400 4/5/09, insightinmind wrote: Tried booting from the Installation CD/DVD? How about another video card? maybe re-seating the old one, after blowing out the dust? I think he has tried the boot as he first thought it was the HD and went to install on a new one. I'll ask him what the specific were for the new drive, all I remember is that it won't work either. I'll also see that he has blown out all dust, but he's a neat freak so I am sure he has since it's been open! I was hoping that this would be a more common signal for something! The killer is that he only paid $50 for the machine.. Thanks! Diane Pressing the cuda button may help though it sounds like a video card problem so try another - I believe you can reset the pram and the nvram by holding down the usual keys - command/option/p/r - immediately following the chime (for the nvram) and let it chime once or twice with keys held down - if all else fails disconnect everything from the mobo - ram, video etc everything which will disconnect including the battery but not the processor - and leave overnight then load everything back and try again... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Test Programs for an ATI Radeon 9800Pro in a G4
On 4/4/09 02:36, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Anyone got some recommendations for anything to test my AGP video card? Its in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. (ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition) AMD (ATI/Avid) suggested Googling to find 3D Benchmark applications ... I couldn't find anything I could easily acquire. Suggestions welcomed. OpenMark was recommended to me but I never got around to using it.. http://mac.majorgeeks.com/download5008.html yet - one day... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is paragon ntfs software reliable?
On 1/4/09 04:25, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm entering a mixed marriage (girlfriend is a PC user) and I'm considering options for having co-usable data drives, files, and etcetera. (Yes, she's slowly being seduced by the powers of Light Goodness - the new iMac's made her go WOW!). I've seen a product called Paragon and I'm wondering is the guru's mucking around here have any experience with it? My Plan is to have an external drive with partitions or the whole drive in ntfs format so I can carry files between her place and mine and maybe do some work on a 'dark forces' peecee as needed. Thx Richard I've been using it with NTFS formatted external drives about two years now with no problems at all. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 15/3/09 21:13, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have the aforementioned heat sink and CPU apart. What would be a good thermal compound to reassemble the beast? I do have a dab of Arctic Silver from a former project. Think this would be okee dokee? The chip doesn't seem to have any exposed circuitry... 'cept for the Bazillion pins on the underside. :-) Amanda Remembering my first computer had a 40 pin CPU! Yikes! If it's a sprung heatsink - held on by springs or through the mobo plungers - you need Arctic Silver 5 or Arctic Silver Ceramique - Ceramique is better than 5 by a degree or two. Your dab of Arctic Silver should be fine if it's not too old - doesn't keep too well If it's a heatsink which is retained in place by the contact only you need the two part epoxy ceramic adhesive - Arctic Alumina - mixes 50/50 then you have about five minutes get it spread well over the contact area and join the two surfaces - so if the phone rings while you're ruining your credit card trying to spread the stuff ignore it - or it will be back to chipping it off with a scalpel. Another option for glued sinks is thermal adhesive pads - though I've never used them Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
On 15/3/09 13:56, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. As I understand it - cs stands for cable select which - in the case of two devices on one ide cable both of which are set to cs - gives 'master' to the device nearest the mobo and slave to the second device. Could be I'm wrong - I haven't googled for it but that's what I always thought. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Heat sink break-in period?
On 13/3/09 22:18, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: just replaced my stock mdd heatsink with a copper one, question, is there a break-in period and if so, approx. how long? I'm sitting at 135.6F (57C) and the fans are running at a high rpm with no load on the computer to speak of. Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 Depends what thermal compound you are using - the break in for Arctic Silver 5 (not my compound of choice) is around 200 hours of on time. http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruct/as5/ins_as5_singlecore_expsd.pd f Artic Silver Ceramique performs much better with a break in of only 25 hours on time. http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruct/cmq/ins_cmq_singlecore_expsd.pd f If you are running very hot I would shut down and do it again exactly as per the compound manufacturers instructions - better to be safe than sorry... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 14/3/09 16:28, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Is this true? I'd think there's a chance the the word conductive is being misinterpreted? It seems to me that thermal paste is likely to be thermodynamically conductive and not likely to be electrically conductive? Yes this is sort of true of Arctic Silver 5 and other metal containing thermal pastes and greases - though it's capacitive rather than conductive so it can build up an electrical charge and bridge contacts - their latest Ceramique paste is neither conductive nor capacitive - and runs cooler allegedly - you don't get much for your money with either though so you're hardly likely to use a plasterers trowel for an applicator. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 14/3/09 14:50, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: still don't have a good feel for an answer. For example, arctic silver (and comparable products) say they are thermal conductors and not electrical conductors, yet the fine print says it may end up shorting out circuits -- in plain English, that means it is an electrical conductor. The processor I have to plug into my gigabit machine is a standard Apple dual processor with a standard apple heatsink. Does anyone know where I could buy about two inches of Apple thermal conductive tape, which appears to be the original product used in Macs? Get the Ceramique paste - it's totally safe. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 13/3/09 13:54, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In a similar vein ... I have a Dual 1GHz QS 2002 ... seems to be working fine ... just concerned about age. Would it be advisable to go on and remove the heatsink(s), clean the surfaces, and re-apply thermal grease? Sort of preventive maintenance? Or if it ain't broke ... don't fix it apply? I use quite a lot of this stuff - the 'grease' I use is Arctic Silver Ceramique and the glue is Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Chipset Adhesive - the grease is for 'sprung' heatsinks - held with clips like a cpu or pins and plungers in the case of graphics cards (which is mostly what I use it for). The glue is for heatsinks/fans with no circuit board fastening and it sets very hard - so it's not easy to get the heatsink off if you make a pig's ear of the contact - but an hour in the freezer will make the job easier. It's maybe advisable with secondhand graphics cards which run at high speeds and temps - definitely advisable if you see artifacts of any kind or experience video problems. I do gpu and memory solder reflows on old graphics cards with problems and I remove the gpu and memory heatsinks as a first step so I refurbish the cooling when I replace them - it will often kill or cure problems which look terminal - I've just fixed two PC Radeon 9700 Pros and one 9800 Pro which all had terminal artifacts (I like to recycle - call me green) and now they're mac cards - one of the 9700's has vga out only and one has barely noticeable artifacts - the 9800 is perfect. Maybe not so advisable with motherboard processors unless they are running at too high temps and giving problems - a temperature monitor is a good utility to forewarn of heat problems - but I think there's quite a bit of latitude with the G4s - not so much with the G5s. I would say don't do it unless it's necessary - if you've not done it before there is the usual round of 'learners' mistakes to get through - and some of those are very very terminal. I have already paid my dues and terminated untold devices. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tiger can write to NTFS drives?
On 10/3/09 07:23, Paul pper...@gmail.com wrote: After looking at the NTFS drive after installing it in a PC, I saw that some OS 10 files, such as .trashes, had been written to it. Is there anyone else with an NTFS drive and a vanilla installation of Tiger (with no special utilities) who can verify that Tiger can indeed write to it? From reading other forums, I get the idea that Tiger can do some writing to an NTFS drive, but it's not necessarily safe, especially if you try to do a lot of it. Problems with things like user rights on the files. Interestingly, I read something that claimed that Windows 2000 can write to HFS+ drives, even though XP can't. Gives me another reason to feel smart for sticking with 2000 on PC's. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ I have an external 360GB usb2 drive which is formatted NTFS and I can read and write to it in both Leopard and Tiger by using a small utility called Paragon NTFS if I remember correctly - I think there is also another utility which does the same though I cannot remember the name of it. Prior to using Paragon I could only read the drive - so I guess vanilla will be read only... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: acceptable hard drives for G3 iMac?
On 9/3/09 14:38, mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com wrote: I've got a couple G3 iMacs I inherited and was planning to fix them up for family, one 350 slot-loaded and one 500 slot-loaded. Unfortunately, one of them had the HD removed. On most Macs, I'd just slap in one I have lying around, but as the iMac is a closed computer, I'm concerned that sticking in just any old hard drive might lead to overheating issues? I know I used to have problems with HDs overheating in the cramped PM 6100s. I seem to remember some HDs in the all-in-ones (5x00s or maybe the Bondi iMac) having a special hole drilled in the top, maybe to vent away heat? Anybody have any idea if the below HDs would work okay in a G3 iMac, or if they would run too hot? IBM Deskstar 20.5GB. Model IC35L020AVER07-0 IBM 22.0GB. Model DJNA-372200 Also, what about HDs pulled from Beige G3s. Would those work okay as far as not running too hot, or would I be better off staying away from those for other reasons (too old/slow, etc.?) Is there anything I need to look for specifically when replacing a hard drive in one of these all-in-one iMacs if none of the above will be suitable? Andy McKinney I have a strawberry 350mhz G3 iMac running Tiger (called Stinky Pinky) which has an 80GB Hitachi 7200rpm Deskstar in and has never had any problems since installation - even though it often runs 24/7. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: questions....questions
On 1/3/09 17:47, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Hmm, that's strange, the hard drive should work in either, if it's an IDE HD. You could just install OSX on the G4, then put the HD from the G4 in the beige, (hopefully this would work?) then move you home folder over, and replace it on the G4 hd. This would effectively do what you'd want, if you put your username and short name the same on both installations. Tried this but it did not work. Both hard drives are Quantum ATA. Neither will work in the other computer. Srange! Maybe the jumpers - put both hard drives in one machine with the one closest to the mobo set as master and the other as slave. Both hds should show on the desktop. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need graphics utility question.
On 28/2/09 08:31, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On Feb 28, 10:34 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: I need to prepare about 100 photos for ID's and class photo composites for our incoming students; each got their picture taken at interview time. The pictures are all taken at the same distance and zoom, waist-up shots (thankfully, last year they weren't and we refused to touch that mess!) so what I need to do is crop them all to the same size, for just a head shot. I'll have to change what part of the photo is cropped each time, but I need the cropped dimensions to always be the same. IS there a way to define a set clipping region or cropping box then apply it to each photo, move it around as necessary, then crop the photos? Photoshop 7 and upward has this feature within the marquee settings and I tend to use it a lot to visualise crops for printing on cds as it works for the rectangular and the round marquee. Select the marquee tool then in the top toolbar you will see a style box with a drop down menu for normal, fixed ratio and fixed size. Choosing either of the fixed will allow you to click once in the image to create a fixed marquee. This fixed marquee mode will persist until you choose to change it back with the drop down menu - even if you close and reopen Pshop. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where do I learn.... becomes archiving files and images- the future
On 13/1/09 05:29, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: The optical resolution of your scanner - say 600x600ppi for this purpose - is the limit for original capture - higher resolutions like 9600x9600ppi can only be provided by interpolation ... Your input is greatly appreciated, but I'm fully up on the Optical vs Interpolated with Scanners. snip done selectively per image in Pshop if you have it as ramping the edges to provide a sharper image can produce artifacts. You are quite right about the Unsharp Masking in Photoshop being an incredibly better tool than the ones in scanning software itself. However,.. snip All I'm pointing out about unsharp masking is the most important part of image capture via any device - originals vary enormously and some will benefit more than others from varying amounts of sharpening. Judging your originals used to be the byword of prepress scanning but that's my background - when drum scanners were the size of an estate car. Levels is a destructive process which affects the entire image - if you move the black point or white point by 10% you are not only disposing of 25 channel levels from each colour - you are creating 25 new ones for each colour as each channel must have 256 levels. I use the non destructive curves if at all possible and reserve level adjustment for very poor low key originals. I only have personal experience to draw upon because authoritative information about this has been difficult to find, but I have doubts as to your statement's.. snip Any adjustment of the levels is destructive - as is the brightness and contrast settings. Even if there is no data in the levels you are clipping the image editor must generate new levels to compensate for those lost as there must be 256. In generating new levels there is inevitably error as they must be whole numbers between 0 and 255 - the algorithm used generates new levels with partial values which are rounded up or down or the error carried over. An adjustment layer for levels could be used non destructively but the file size would reflect this. http://www.developertutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/5-tips-for-photoshop -efficiency-8-03-26/page4.html Highest resolution? I would say around the 200/300ppi mark unless they are earmarked for substantial enlargement. The human eye can only resolve around 180 levels, b/w newspapers print photos at around 80 lines of dots per inch (the cheap paper limits the res) and we see them well as images. Glossy colour mags 133/150/175 lines of dots per inch and they look very acceptable even though the CMYK space is smaller than RGB. Computer monitors are limited by dot pitch and can only manage hardware res around 90ppi so any res above this is a software representation - tv's are worse with poorer dot pitch. This information is extremely valid, but I have a sense my thoughts on resolution and your's aren't entirely describing the same things. The Myth of DPI is worth a read... http://www.rideau-info.com/photos/mythdpi.html My archive of high res images is stored at 360ppi, medium res at 180ppi I think there is also the disconnect between the 'historical image archive' I'm contemplating and the 'working' image archive you seem to be describing because the ppi's are based upon the capabilities of your output source. I'm most concerned with archiving the maximum image capability of my source materials. The connection my project has to output methodologies is indirect at best. It will be a resource of source materials that on screen viewing, printing, or publishing, can then be derived from. The ppi's are corrected higher for output source - normally they would be 300ppi and 150ppi but many of these are A4 borderless so storage space is a vast issue - the 360's would be 400MB each at 1200ppi. Output of images is everything - without it we cannot see them - monitors, all printers and all publishing is output. Finally I would add the fact that re-resing is always possible with a good image editor - a 200/300ppi digital image can be easily upped to 1200ppi without problems. The image editor is simply doing what the scanner does over and above it's optical resolution - interpolation - but probably doing it much better in the case of Pshop. Accurate info, but not directly applicable to my methods and goals. Yes, photoshop is the best image upscaler around and is quite usable when wielded judiciously. I have most assuredly used it, especially when making 8x10's from 4x6 originals I need bigger prints off of. However, If I scan an image at 1200dpi and someone in the background turns out to be important to someone years down the road, there will be lots of pixels to fish out the best image that's possible. If I scanned it at 300dpi, there is no way to interpolate the missing 900dpi of information, the result would just be a really
Re: Where do I learn.... becomes archiving files and images- the future
On 8/1/09 22:29, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: HiYa Pete and Everyone, My intended Scanning Methodology - Seperate from my Media Storage Options - is something like this. I've only done a 50 image or so 'test' run to sort out file size and physical process considerations at this point. Some of this is based on some comparative tests of various 'scanner driver' options. TIFF with internal compression OFF Photograph Fronts: 600 DPI Resolution 24 BIT Color Depth Digital ICE OFF - It's mucking much more than it's fixing. Unsharp Mask (in scanner software) at the High Setting because it appears to be a well behaved and subtle implementation in my testing up to this point. Photograph Backs: 300 DPI Resolution 8 Bit Grey Scale Unsharp Mask set to High All images receive Levels Adjustments Set Manually. The sliders for each color channel are tweaked individually so the sliders are just past the Highest and Lowest Point on the Histogram Display for Each Channel - ie the darkest/dimmest value is changed from zero to 9 if the scans histogram shows no info below 10. I am cautious about overpowering a particular channels level adjustments and making an image look 'wierd'. I believe this is called manually clipping the highlights and shadows. I can find very little 'standards or good practices' info via google or yahoo searches. This is just how I've learned to go about getting good scan results since my first encounter with a grayscale only flatbed back in the early nineties! Well you seem to have quite a job on so here's a few tips. The optical resolution of your scanner - say 600x600ppi for this purpose - is the limit for original capture - higher resolutions like 9600x9600ppi can only be provided by interpolation (guesswork from maths) and do not contain more detail from the original. So the lowest optical res of your scanner should give you your basic max scanning res - a 1200x600ppi scanner would be 600ppi - over and above this res you are only adding original data in one direction in the other direction the scanner is calculating the data - above 1200ppi it is calculqting the data in both directions. Unsharp masking is better done selectively per image in Pshop if you have it as ramping the edges to provide a sharper image can produce artifacts. Levels is a destructive process which affects the entire image - if you move the black point or white point by 10% you are not only disposing of 25 channel levels from each colour - you are creating 25 new ones for each colour as each channel must have 256 levels. I use the non destructive curves if at all possible and reserve level adjustment for very poor low key originals. Highest resolution? I would say around the 200/300ppi mark unless they are earmarked for substantial enlargement. The human eye can only resolve around 180 levels, b/w newspapers print photos at around 80 lines of dots per inch (the cheap paper limits the res) and we see them well as images. Glossy colour mags 133/150/175 lines of dots per inch and they look very acceptable even though the CMYK space is smaller than RGB. Computer monitors are limited by dot pitch and can only manage hardware res around 90ppi so any res above this is a software representation - tv's are worse with poorer dot pitch. My archive of high res images is stored at 360ppi, medium res at 180ppi - the odd numbers are due to my printer being an Epson inkjet which has a printing resolution divisible in both directions by 180 (5760 x 1440dpi) and the print results are much better and faster than if I ask it a difficult resolution recalculation - which it doesn't seem to be very good at - indeed the prorietary print driver's ability to convert well from RGB to six colour CMYK has always annoyed me - and b/w printing is awful - hopefully improved with their latest set of 8 colour printers - with three blacks. Black and white commercial printing of photographic images has always been a problem - solved usually by the use of duotone or tritone. If you come across a book of Bresson's work or Adams have a look closely with a magnifier - the b/w photos will probably be two or three colour. Finally I would add the fact that re-resing is always possible with a good image editor - a 200/300ppi digital image can be easily upped to 1200ppi without problems. The image editor is simply doing what the scanner does over and above it's optical resolution - interpolation - but probably doing it much better in the case of Pshop. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To
Re: Where do I learn.... becomes archiving files and images- the future
On 7/1/09 23:00, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: Original Poster here.. This jpeg vs tiff question is pretty important to me. My personal experience with jpegs is that the inherent nature of how the compression it uses works, very little quantities of data loss equate with the Functional Loss of the image. My limited knowledge of the 'nature' of TIFF is that (to some extent) it is more resistant to losing the entire image if data describing specific pixels is lost or compromised. Does anyone know if this is correct? A further question I have is that the TIFF 'standards' site I was looking at indicates that a previously 'patented' compression option inside of TIFF -I believe the LZW option- was transfered to the public domain -or something similar- so it is considered an open standard that Archive and Library folks and companies are more comfortable using it. My question is whether the LossLess Internal File Compression option makes the individual files be more at risk in the presence of 'partial' file loss? :-) Richard Uncompressed tiff is possibly the simplest format for 24 bit digital storage with a view to perfect repro. The RGB data is stored as three xy pixelmaps of the 8 bit channel values in uint8 (unsigned 8 bit integer) or the binary equivalent of nought to 255 (signed would add a negative or positive symbol). So you have three channels of colour data - one for each of RGB - and 256 available integers for the levels in each channel. In the case of a simple one pixel solid colour like Pantone Process Cyan the tiff file saves the channels as 0 Red, 157 Green and 217 Blue. Matlab will open uncompressed tiff files and displays the image as three pages of values from 0 - 255. I don't know of anything which will open a jpeg as text or binary info.. Worth bearing in mind is the effect of differing colour profiles - an image which has been optimised on a monitor in the sRGB colourspace will look very different on a monitor which uses a wider profile like the Adobe wide Gamut space - as the channel/level info will be recalculated up to suit and similarly the other way - data from a wider colourspace is shrunk - or in the case of absolute colorimetric dumped - to fit the smaller space. I don't actually use the Fuji Pro black discs for image storage at all - I use them for Red Book CD Audio - and no coasters or failures yet though I imagine audio is the most punishing use of CDR - in and out of jewel cases etc Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where do I learn.... becomes archiving files and images- the future
On 6/1/09 16:35, Sam Macomber s...@macomber.com wrote: RAW format is all the information captured by the camera's sensor in an unaltered state(though sometimes lossless compression is used, depends on the camera). To generate a TIFF that sensor data has to be altered and when you do so information is lost. Raw data from the sensor is in the form of electron counts from each pixel of the array. Each pixel is further divided into cells - usually four - which are filtered to be sensitive to the red, green and blue areas of the visual spectrum - one red, two green and one blue in the vast majority of digi capture - though Kodak tried one red, one blue and six green in the early days http://www.epi-centre.com/reports/9306cs.html Conversion to tiff or any other format on import into an image editor will not affect the raw data unless the original is destroyed after conversion. Unfortunately sensor data is not the only form of image data called 'raw' - some proprietary systems use the term 'raw' very loosely for uncalibrated binary data - hence the compression. For archiving images I use the Fuji CD-R printable Inkjet Black UV Pro which is recommended for the purpose http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/recmedia/site/product/product.asp?pid=145 not easy to get hold of and not cheap but a pod of one hundred goes a very long way. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: eMac Leopard
On 23/10/08 09:23, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Is anyone running Leopard on an eMac? I had a 1Ghz eMac when they first come out (my first brand new Mac) and it was fantastic, a great little work horse. I am looking at getting another one, preferably a 1Ghz and above as this supports Leopard officially and I know the 1.25Ghz has USb 2 which would help. I just wondered how Leopard held up on these lovely machines. Simon I have a 1ghz and a 1.25ghz emac - both running Leopard with no problem though I would recommend maxing out the ram prior to installation. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
