Re: G4 Cube
On 2/23/12 5:25 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. Woof. I thought I was an oddball for owning two (one 500, one 700). The 500 only just got demoted last week (it is now the backup server); beforehand, it was my primary server for almost 14 years. 500s are good development/test machines. The essential components (motherboard, case, etcetera) are identical to the 700, but the PSU and power backplane are different. I once had a connection with an Apple destructor/salvager and could buy nearly all parts, but particularly the mechanical parts, very cheaply. My worst-looking 700 became a 500 by replacing the power components mentioned with salvaged 500 units. The hot-pluggable 700 PSUs liberated thereby went into 700s thereby giving these N+1 redundancy. Such redundancy is not needed on a test machine. An ANS has eight EDO/FPM RAM slots and can, theoretically, accommodate 1024 MB of RAM. However, the ROM has a critical flaw and it will fail to POST if even one DIMM is installed which causes the total RAM to exceed 500 MB. Therefore, 512 MB at 8 x 64 MB is the optimum. Some time ago, an eBay seller was selling a lot of 64 MB parity DIMMs really cheaply, and the whole box of these went for not much more than a buck a stick, with free shipping. Presto, all my ANSes received their maximum complement of 512 MB. A stock, off-the-shelf 500 has 32 MB as 4 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. A stock, off-the-shelf 700 has 48 MB as 2 x 16 MB + 2 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. As with most 7000 (except the 7200), 8000 and 9000 series PPC machines, the RAM may be any mix of EDO or FPM as all RAM accesses are by FPM. Alas, no G3 card was made for the ANS. The 604ev was the best which was offered. Wow! I need to check some of the back logs sooner on the list! I have been looking for a cube for years now! It is only the cost in my area that keeps me from getting one. You would think in Northern California I could find one for cheap. But alas it is not the case. Missed the boat again.. Bugger. ~Nathan -- -- Izzy: MacMini 2011/Corei5/4gig/10.7.2 Sandbox: PowerbookG4/1.25/1.25/10.5.6 Meh: 1g iPhone/8gig/3.0.3 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External HD / Firewire problem with Mac G4 Cube
Diskwarrior has frequently rescued a disk for me in similar situations ; recently a 2TB drive which became unrepairable by OS X utilities it built a read only directory which enabled me to pull off a TB of vital information before I had to reformat the disk! Tim Martin ** *Clapham Park* *London* e timjomar...@gmail.com On 24 February 2012 17:18, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote: I was working on my relatively unused external HD connected via Firewire on my Mac G4 Cube under System 9.2 and I am sure that I disconnected the drive too soon. Since then the drive is no longer recognized, it asks me if I want to Format it or Eject it. I check the drive under Mac OS X 10.3 and I can see it using the Disk Utility but it does not allow me under First Aid to verify disk of even repair Disk. The Drive sound ok, I have the feeling that the directory got 'broken' . Any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
External HD / Firewire problem with Mac G4 Cube
I was working on my relatively unused external HD connected via Firewire on my Mac G4 Cube under System 9.2 and I am sure that I disconnected the drive too soon. Since then the drive is no longer recognized, it asks me if I want to Format it or Eject it. I check the drive under Mac OS X 10.3 and I can see it using the Disk Utility but it does not allow me under First Aid to verify disk of even repair Disk. The Drive sound ok, I have the feeling that the directory got 'broken' . Any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External HD / Firewire problem with Mac G4 Cube
Il giorno 24-02-2012 18:18, Eleni ha scritto: I check the drive under Mac OS X 10.3 and I can see it using the Disk Utility but it does not allow me under First Aid to verify disk of even repair Disk. The Drive sound ok, I have the feeling that the directory got 'broken' . If the directories are damaged, DiskWarrior is usually the best tool to fix them up. But - AFAIK - you need to have the drive mounted, before using DiskWarrior. And it seems Disk Utility doesn't allow you to mount the disk. Can you test the drive on another Mac? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Dear Eleni, To start a new thread, you have to click the button + new post top right. Changing the subject doesn't work, because threads are not connected through the subject line but through some under-the-hood numbering, Yes, Google should definitely change the text of that button to + new thread! Good luck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 2/22/12 8:52 AM, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote: One of the nicest looking with decent performance that Apple ever made, but ironically it was a commercial flop! These days I know many collectors are dying to get their hands on one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eud1SWKhEwofeature=plcpcontext=C35b605bU DOEgsToPDskIwpQh-Eay9rt7nbF8J6vCe On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, JohnV wrote: I'm about to dive in and replace the power supply in a G5. Caveats? suggestions? warnings? JV -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Right here bud But we need to convince him to make it a lemswap topic Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson Kyle, are you selling them and if so, would they handle MacDraw? Thanks, John Callahan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. Woof. I thought I was an oddball for owning two (one 500, one 700). The 500 only just got demoted last week (it is now the backup server); beforehand, it was my primary server for almost 14 years. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- We only pretend to have standards. -- Unknown producer, ABC-TV - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
The most of anything that I've got, is 7 G4 PowerMacs. I'm using a Quicksilver with a TV Tuner, and a Gig-E Dual 500MHZ running Leopard for web stuff and cd burning. The others make a nice stack in the corner. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. Woof. I thought I was an oddball for owning two (one 500, one 700). The 500 only just got demoted last week (it is now the backup server); beforehand, it was my primary server for almost 14 years. 500s are good development/test machines. The essential components (motherboard, case, etcetera) are identical to the 700, but the PSU and power backplane are different. I once had a connection with an Apple destructor/salvager and could buy nearly all parts, but particularly the mechanical parts, very cheaply. My worst-looking 700 became a 500 by replacing the power components mentioned with salvaged 500 units. The hot-pluggable 700 PSUs liberated thereby went into 700s thereby giving these N+1 redundancy. Such redundancy is not needed on a test machine. An ANS has eight EDO/FPM RAM slots and can, theoretically, accommodate 1024 MB of RAM. However, the ROM has a critical flaw and it will fail to POST if even one DIMM is installed which causes the total RAM to exceed 500 MB. Therefore, 512 MB at 8 x 64 MB is the optimum. Some time ago, an eBay seller was selling a lot of 64 MB parity DIMMs really cheaply, and the whole box of these went for not much more than a buck a stick, with free shipping. Presto, all my ANSes received their maximum complement of 512 MB. A stock, off-the-shelf 500 has 32 MB as 4 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. A stock, off-the-shelf 700 has 48 MB as 2 x 16 MB + 2 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. As with most 7000 (except the 7200), 8000 and 9000 series PPC machines, the RAM may be any mix of EDO or FPM as all RAM accesses are by FPM. Alas, no G3 card was made for the ANS. The 604ev was the best which was offered. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
I am guessing now would be a good time to list my G4 450MHZ Cube. If anyone is interested, let me know. Sent from my iPod On Feb 23, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Jesse jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote: Right here bud But we need to convince him to make it a lemswap topic Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Not shipping them. I am an enthusiast, and every time I ship one it gets broken. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 2/23/12 1:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
One of the nicest looking with decent performance that Apple ever made, but ironically it was a commercial flop! These days I know many collectors are dying to get their hands on one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eud1SWKhEwofeature=plcpcontext=C35b605bUDOEgsToPDskIwpQh-Eay9rt7nbF8J6vCe On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, JohnV wrote: I'm about to dive in and replace the power supply in a G5. Caveats? suggestions? warnings? JV -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube and Quicksilver
On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:01 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Roger Faulkner wrote: I recently acquired a Cube, tower 2 monitors through a freebee day at one of the Mac forums I frequent. Free except for fairly hefty shipping. Everything powers up but only to the point of the dreaded flashing '?'. Does this indicate a need for install of a fresh OS or perhaps HD problems? PS: the grandson (16) is intent on learning Macs from the ground up and this acquisition was with that intent, but need to get him launched to make that available. Sorry if this is too wordy. That sounds like a loose video card or missing RAM. No, actually it doesn't. The flashing question mark is quite explicit: no bootable system can be found. This could be from a bad hd, a corrupted System folder or non-installed system entirely. That's it. The solution to this problm is that Roger needs to get an OS system disk to boot from, then further diagnostics or system re-install can be done. For the Cube, 10.4 is probably the most painless version to look for. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube and Quicksilver
On Dec 4, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:01 PM, John Carmonne wrote: That sounds like a loose video card or missing RAM. No, actually it doesn't. The flashing question mark is quite explicit: no bootable system can be found. This could be from a bad hd, a corrupted System folder or non-installed system entirely. That's it. The solution to this problm is that Roger needs to get an OS system disk to boot from, then further diagnostics or system re-install can be done. For the Cube, 10.4 is probably the most painless version to look for. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Oh I took it to be the flashing light on the Cube power switch or the ADC display. If a start up disk is also a problem then a Fire Wire external drive with a known working APM OS9 or OS 10.4 to 10.5 will boot it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Cube and Quicksilver
I recently acquired a Cube, tower 2 monitors through a freebee day at one of the Mac forums I frequent. Free except for fairly hefty shipping. Everything powers up but only to the point of the dreaded flashing '?'. Does this indicate a need for install of a fresh OS or perhaps HD problems? PS: the grandson (16) is intent on learning Macs from the ground up and this acquisition was with that intent, but need to get him launched to make that available. Sorry if this is too wordy. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube and Quicksilver
-- Original message -- Subject: G4 Cube and Quicksilver Date:Saturday, 03. December 2011 From:Roger Faulkner rfaulkne...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Everything powers up but only to the point of the dreaded flashing '?'. Does this indicate a need for install of a fresh OS or perhaps HD problems? Your Mac doesn't find a suitable start volume. Hence the question mark. You could try to use the Option key to get a list of volumes containing a bootable system, but I doubt this will help. It most certainly points to: missing OS. PS: the grandson (16) is intent on learning Macs from the ground up and this acquisition was with that intent, but need to get him launched to make that available. Sorry if this is too wordy. You need to get a copy of Mac OS or Mac OS X supported by your Mac(s). Or get a hard drive with a preinstalled Mac OS/Mac OS X, but this is not a very clean solution. If you have a friend with a Mac this may work well thou. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube and Quicksilver
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Roger Faulkner wrote: I recently acquired a Cube, tower 2 monitors through a freebee day at one of the Mac forums I frequent. Free except for fairly hefty shipping. Everything powers up but only to the point of the dreaded flashing '?'. Does this indicate a need for install of a fresh OS or perhaps HD problems? PS: the grandson (16) is intent on learning Macs from the ground up and this acquisition was with that intent, but need to get him launched to make that available. Sorry if this is too wordy. That sounds like a loose video card or missing RAM. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube and Quicksilver
Roger, There is the possibility that everything is OK but there is no operating system installed. Try booting it from an OS X DVD. Cubes are delicate creatures, and events such as shipping can mess up their internal connections. I had the same experience with a Cube I got from a fellow swapper (hey John ;-). Opening it up and re-seating cables, cards and other possibly loose stuff solved my case. HTH, Felix On Dec 3, 4:39 am, Roger Faulkner rfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: I recently acquired a Cube, tower 2 monitors through a freebee day at one of the Mac forums I frequent. Free except for fairly hefty shipping. Everything powers up but only to the point of the dreaded flashing '?'. Does this indicate a need for install of a fresh OS or perhaps HD problems? PS: the grandson (16) is intent on learning Macs from the ground up and this acquisition was with that intent, but need to get him launched to make that available. Sorry if this is too wordy. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G4 Cube: possible processors? Date:Friday, 10. June 2011 From:peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com As the procs are CMOS, power consumption would be a linear function of processor frequency, for a given device geometry. Also, a 7450 requires more power than a 7400/7410. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r1976925-Processor-question I don't know whether this table is correct, but if it is: 7410@500 MHz requires 5.3/11.9W (typical/max) 7450@533 MHz requires 14.0/17.0W (typical/max) This is quite a difference! As device geometry was shrunk, so also was power consumption. Yes, that fits. But not for the 7410, which was also shrunk (from the 7400) but requires less power! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
Anyway, if I got this right, a Dual-533 from a DA (with an adjucted multiplicator to result in being a Dual-500/550/600 MHz) will NOT overheat the Cube, even as a dual processor system. http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10902 What I didn't find yet is what installation modifications are necessary to get a Dual-533 from a DA (which has a mirrored processor module layout to the GE Dual-450/500) set up in a Cube. Finally, I found a dual processor mod page: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/cube/dual_g4_cube/dual_g4_cube.html Looking at the pictures, in particular the systemboard and the space between the processor connector and the IDE connector, I come to think that the Dual-533 from the DA won't fit. The IDE connector is in the way. This is sooo sad. It would have been a great improvement, because 1) the Dual-533 is a 7410 2) it would be two times 550 MHz (or 500 MHz depending on the thermal outcome) 3) Dual-533 processor modules are now fairly cheap Any thoughts? Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G4 Cube: possible processors? Date:Saturday, 11. June 2011 From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 19:22 -0700 6/10/11, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: A batch of good stuff about power usage and clock speeds which I snipped. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Microprocessors built with complimentary symmetry metal oxide transistors, CMOS, dissipate power only as the states of the CMOS gates are changed. While sitting in a 1 or 0 state they don't require any power at all. So the usage of a chip is proportional to the count of gate changes per second and not only to the clock speed. In an idle state there might not be very many gates changing state at each clock pulse. (For completeness, the power is also proportional to the square of the power voltage.) The power saving features on a G4 processor are very limited compared to those found on a modern multi-core processor. AFAIK a 450 MHz G4 7400 in a Cube always runs at this frequency and sleep/power states aren't as fine grained as modern ACPI C-states and P-states. (P-states is better known as DFS, dynamic frequency scaling.) The first G4's I've heard of to support DFS are the third-party upgrade processor cards with Freescale 7447A processors, but they require additional system software for DFS to work, and not all OS versions (particularly Mac OS X 10.4.9) actually support this (or rather allow for it to work). According to this discussion (which /may/ be wrong alltogether): http://forums.macnn.com/65/mac-pro-and-power-mac/53325/differences-between-g4- g4e-7400-7410-a/ a 7400/7410 has a 4 stage pipeline, and the 7440/7450 a 7 stage pipeline. Are these “stage pipelines” the stage gates you are talking about? Scientific calculations, games, video which has to be decompressed in real time, things like that require a lot of calculation and thus a lot of gate changes at any clock speed. Editing a document while being limited by your finger speed on a keyboard will not use many gate changes and the computer power will be lower. For a thermally limited cube you could measure the temperature and adjust the clock speed accordingly. If you try to play some war game that demands three dimensional viewing depending on your place in the synthetic environment your machine will slow down. Sorry. You can read your email at full speed. “depending on your place in the synthetic environment” ??? I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker. I don't understand. What I did understand, was: The thermal limit depends on where I (the player) has positioned its character (the hero of the game) in the virtual world of the game. This cannot be right, right? Anyway, if I got this right, a Dual-533 from a DA (with an adjucted multiplicator to result in being a Dual-500/550/600 MHz) will NOT overheat the Cube, even as a dual processor system. http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10902 What I didn't find yet is what installation modifications are necessary to get a Dual-533 from a DA (which has a mirrored processor module layout to the GE Dual-450/500) set up in a Cube. There is a lot of data on the world wide web about overclocking of chips. The idea originally was to monitor a chip for errors and speed up the clock until they begin to show up. The acronym was the TEA technique and I have forgotten the words it stands for. What you're talking about is underclocking but it's the same idea. Modern chips actually have temperature sensors on them; they can be read out and perhaps used as in input to a variable frequency clock. A maximum speed clock connected to a programmable downcounter chip would be pretty easy to set up, trivial if you could use a simple interface to code running on the processor itself but more difficult if Apple limits you to the likes of USB or Ethernet. There are also analog schemes for making a variable frequency oscillator that could be controlled by a thermistor on the heat sink. They would be slower to respond. This is too much of modding for me, but would certainly be a very brave task to do… Thanks! Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
At 17:27 +0200 6/17/11, Mac User #330250 wrote, and I snipped: For a thermally limited cube you could measure the temperature and adjust the clock speed accordingly. If you try to play some war game that demands three dimensional viewing depending on your place in the synthetic environment your machine will slow down. depending on your place in the synthetic environment ??? I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker. I don't understand. Sorry. What I am referring to as the synthetic environment is the three dimensional image that you appear to be inside of as you play. Every time you move the computer needs to re-create the image from your location and the direction you are looking. That means vector arithmetic that rotates every item in the 3-D database usually using 4 x 4 matrix multiplications for each point in the image. It is a whole lot of arithmetic that has to worry about which parts of the scene are obscured by others and shadows due to the lighting. The more you move around using the mouse or game console to make the moves the more the computer has to do and it can be a whole lot. The computation gets so intense that it is often unloaded to something like an Nvidia graphics board that's made for the purpose. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
At 19:22 -0700 6/10/11, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: A batch of good stuff about power usage and clock speeds which I snipped. Microprocessors built with complimentary symmetry metal oxide transistors, CMOS, dissipate power only as the states of the CMOS gates are changed. While sitting in a 1 or 0 state they don't require any power at all. So the usage of a chip is proportional to the count of gate changes per second and not only to the clock speed. In an idle state there might not be very many gates changing state at each clock pulse. (For completeness, the power is also proportional to the square of the power voltage.) Scientific calculations, games, video which has to be decompressed in real time, things like that require a lot of calculation and thus a lot of gate changes at any clock speed. Editing a document while being limited by your finger speed on a keyboard will not use many gate changes and the computer power will be lower. For a thermally limited cube you could measure the temperature and adjust the clock speed accordingly. If you try to play some war game that demands three dimensional viewing depending on your place in the synthetic environment your machine will slow down. Sorry. You can read your email at full speed. There is a lot of data on the world wide web about overclocking of chips. The idea originally was to monitor a chip for errors and speed up the clock until they begin to show up. The acronym was the TEA technique and I have forgotten the words it stands for. What you're talking about is underclocking but it's the same idea. Modern chips actually have temperature sensors on them; they can be read out and perhaps used as in input to a variable frequency clock. A maximum speed clock connected to a programmable downcounter chip would be pretty easy to set up, trivial if you could use a simple interface to code running on the processor itself but more difficult if Apple limits you to the likes of USB or Ethernet. There are also analog schemes for making a variable frequency oscillator that could be controlled by a thermistor on the heat sink. They would be slower to respond. -- -- If it's not on fire it's a software problem. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Cube: possible processors?
Hi! I finally got a G4 Cube from eBay, and since I've got so many feasible processor cards laying around I'd like to know if it was possible to upgrade the Cube with them. What I have: 1) a Dual-450 MHz G4 7400 from a Gigabit Ethernet 2) a Dual-800 MHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 3) an OWC Mercury Extreme G4e 7450 1.4-1.467 GHz (NOT a Cube version) 4) a Dual-1 GHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 2002 will arrive soon (eBay) The questions are: 1) Will they work in the Cube? I don't know different. 2) But, will they *fit in* the Cube? I'm okay to modify the original heatsink, but it has to stay passively cooled. This propably means, privided one of the processers actually fits (using the slightly modified original heatsink), that I will have to lower the clock speed to keep it cool. I.e. if I were to install the Mercury Extreme, I'd propably run it at 1.2 GHz at most to prevent overheating. I'd also be okay to run the Dual-1GHz from the Quicksilver 2002 at, say 800 MHz. But this is a Dual processor, and haven't found any references to whether the original heatsink will “work” (=can be modified accordingly). Any thoughts on that? Any links on the internet? I heard there is one for a Dual-450 MHz Mod from a GE, but I haven't found it yet, although I really tried! Thanks in advance! Andreas aka Mac User #330250 now with a Cube :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
On Jun 10, 10:38 am, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: I finally got a G4 Cube from eBay, and since I've got so many feasible processor cards laying around I'd like to know if it was possible to upgrade the Cube with them. What I have: 1) a Dual-450 MHz G4 7400 from a Gigabit Ethernet 2) a Dual-800 MHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 3) an OWC Mercury Extreme G4e 7450 1.4-1.467 GHz (NOT a Cube version) 4) a Dual-1 GHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 2002 will arrive soon (eBay) The questions are: 1) Will they work in the Cube? First off, start researching at CubeOwner: http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/ If you going to do any mods to the Cube put in a base fan. I have a Zalman in mine running on low voltage and I can't hear it at all. Of the processors you list only the dual 450 will work in the Cube and that will require spacers under the heatsink. The others will probably burn out the Cube's VRM if you try to run them. Processors for the Cube are built differently from most other Mac models so that they don't overload the Cube's VRM, which is it's weak spot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G4 Cube: possible processors? Date:Friday, 10. June 2011 From:dc dbc...@verizon.net To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com What I have: 1) a Dual-450 MHz G4 7400 from a Gigabit Ethernet 2) a Dual-800 MHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 3) an OWC Mercury Extreme G4e 7450 1.4-1.467 GHz (NOT a Cube version) 4) a Dual-1 GHz G4e 7450 from a Quicksilver 2002 will arrive soon (eBay) The questions are: 1) Will they work in the Cube? First off, start researching at CubeOwner: http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/ Already did, but I will continue to do so. Thanks. If you going to do any mods to the Cube put in a base fan. I have a Zalman in mine running on low voltage and I can't hear it at all. Of the processors you list only the dual 450 will work in the Cube and that will require spacers under the heatsink. The others will probably burn out the Cube's VRM if you try to run them. Processors for the Cube are built differently from most other Mac models so that they don't overload the Cube's VRM, which is it's weak spot. Thanks! I was/am afraid of that, as this is discussed a lot, and there seem to be various mods for the VRM itself too. My thinking was that a 7400, which uses more power than a 7410, may still use about the same amount that an _underclocked_ 7450 will use – in addition to the thermal issue of possible overheat. And the other thinking is, if a Dual-450 will work, then a single 1.4 GHz (underclocked to 1.2 GHz) should also work. (And if not 1.2 GHz, then at least 1.0 GHz, or 900 MHz should do the trick…) But maybe I'm terribly wrong… and burn my VRM trying it… I was just hoping that someone has done something like it already – a completely fanless upgrade (with underclocking and hence without a VRM modification) – and is willing to share the required steps. Thanks for your help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
My thinking was that a 7400, which uses more power than a 7410, may still use about the same amount that an _underclocked_ 7450 will use – in addition to the thermal issue of possible overheat. And the other thinking is, if a Dual-450 will work, then a single 1.4 GHz (underclocked to 1.2 GHz) should also work. (And if not 1.2 GHz, then at least 1.0 GHz, or 900 MHz should do the trick…) But maybe I'm terribly wrong… and burn my VRM trying it… Apparently I am wrong. Trying to find how much Watts a specific G4 will pull, I found this quite good yet in some specific points incomplete list (in German): http://www.macinfo.de/hardware/chips.html So apparently the 7400 pulls 5 Watts at 400 MHz and 6 Watts at 500 MHz. So 5.5 Watts at 450 MHz is a good guess. The 7455 pulls 21.3 Watts at 1 GHz. This is four times and thus way too much for an unmodified VRM. Even though neighter a 1.4 GHz 7455 nor a 7455B is explicitly listed, these numbers can't be that far from what my OWC Mercury Extreme G4 (1.4 GHz 7455B processor) should have at 1.0 GHz. And these figures – I'm guessing – are only for the processor, not the complete processor module. Anyway, thanks for your answer. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
Trying to find how much Watts a specific G4 will pull, I found this quite good yet in some specific points incomplete list (in German): http://www.macinfo.de/hardware/chips.html So apparently the 7400 pulls 5 Watts at 400 MHz and 6 Watts at 500 MHz. So 5.5 Watts at 450 MHz is a good guess. The 7455 pulls 21.3 Watts at 1 GHz. This is four times and thus way too much for an unmodified VRM. Even though neighter a 1.4 GHz 7455 nor a 7455B is explicitly listed, these numbers can't be that far from what my OWC Mercury Extreme G4 (1.4 GHz 7455B processor) should have at 1.0 GHz. As the procs are CMOS, power consumption would be a linear function of processor frequency, for a given device geometry. As device geometry was shrunk, so also was power consumption. And these figures – I'm guessing – are only for the processor, not the complete processor module. The cache would add a tad to the total power consumption. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
At 1:36 PM -0800 1/3/2011, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 3, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 PM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: 3 GB's per second Time Warner RoadRunner turbo Talladega Fast Run some traceroutes to the destination, to make sure there isn't a problem between you. This is not happening when using the G4 MDD, G5 Dual 2.7 or MacBook Pro on the same network. Which still does not preclude a network issue ON THAT MAC. So again, run some traceroutes. Ok. Run Activity Monitor and watch the paging and i/o rates. I have no idea what this is. If I have to be on iChat to check this it's hard to get anyone to stay up long enough.:-) Launch Activity Monitor. View the System Memory pane. Observe the page in/out numbers. If they change a lot while you're doing video then you have a paging problem. View the Disk Activity pane. Observe the data written/sec. If it's high while you're doing video then you're caching to disk like crazy. At 10:49 AM -0800 1/4/2011, John Carmonne wrote: I may not be correctly adding the fmt=5 to the url. can you explain how to do that. when I start the YouTube I add the code to the end of the url but I get no change on the Cube or my TiBooks. Take the YouTube url, add fmt=5 and refresh the browser page. eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMltvlqEM54 vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMltvlqEM54fmt=5 Again - try Yahoo! Messenger's video. I suggest this because if it works ok then the problem is not your basic network connectivity etc. I don't know how to use Yahoo that's why I have iChat and Skype It's for the layamn. Have you bothered to try? There are Help Files available. It's quite simple. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On 03/01/11 10:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Was this an error on Apple's side. Was it fixed in 10.5. Why would they do this? Could this explain similar problems I have on my Sawtooth with 10.4 and a good video card. Lots of questions, some of which are just thoughts. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On 03/01/11 10:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. John, What Bruce is really saying here is this: no one in this group, or perhaps, anywhere can find a way to sort out the problem with online videos on G4s such as yours and the Sawtooth. He has said though something new; that this problem is partly a cause of how 10.4 was written. That's very new and adds valuable insight to this common problem. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 03/01/11 10:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Was this an error on Apple's side. ?? No this was a conscious design decision in 10.4 on the part of Apple, part of the really bug 'under-the-hood' improvements in 10.4. See John Siracusa's in depth review of 10.4: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2005/04/macosx-10-4.ars/ the whole discussion of Quartz starting at page 13 is what I'm referring to. Was it fixed in 10.5. No, it was significantly enhanced in 10.5. OSX offloads much more processing onto the video card, the Core Video, Core image technologies are much improved. Why would they do this? Because Video card GPU's are VASTLY faster at these sorts of calculations than the CPU in the Mac. Could this explain similar problems I have on my Sawtooth with 10.4 and a good video card. Lots of questions, some of which are just thoughts. Possibly. More likely, however, is that the streaming videos we get today are simply bigger...most are now HD using very processor-dependent codecs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 11:16 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. Also a Geforce 6200 is a much newer card than a GeForce3, iirc. Interesting. I thought the reason that VLC handles video playback on older Macs (this is true, right?) was that it offloaded a lot of video processing to the video card, whereas iTunes/Quicktime did not. Have I been misinformed? Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 2, 1:24 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get aYouTubeto play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. My G4 MDD 1.25 is 100 % better than the Cube. Can this be a Bus speed issue the Cube is 100 and the MDD is 167. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP As an additional note, if you right click on a Flash video (or animation), Settings... is one of the options. If you click on Settings, then go to the Display tab (looks like a flat screen monitor) there is an Enable Hardware Acceleration checkbox. In my case, it was off by default. Turning this on didn't seem to help playback on my G5, but I was wondering if it helped anyone else. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
At 8:52 AM -0800 1/4/2011, imrazor wrote: Interesting. I thought the reason that VLC handles video playback on older Macs (this is true, right?) was that it offloaded a lot of video processing to the video card, whereas iTunes/Quicktime did not. Have I been misinformed? VLC does NOT use the GPU for video decoding on the Mac. Since OS X 10.6.3 includes a new API for accessing the GPUs, support in VLC may be added in the future. In general, VLC is so successful at what it does because it is extremely well written. Imagine how powerful QuickTime could be if it was as well done! ...Case in point, since you mentioned iTunes... It is pitiful that an app such as Audion can play streamed radio using less than 5% of a 200 MHz CPU but iTunes on the same computer uses over 20%! I think there are some misconceptions as to what does what... Video data is encoded / compressed in some way. The player must read that data, decompress it, decode it (turn it into usable frames), render the frames into video data, then display it on your screen - umpteen times per second. ...It is only those decompress and decode functions that are included in the codec module. The question is which of those steps is performed where? Normally, everything from render on is done on the video card, in its GPU. The codec - the software module that does the decompression and decoding - can also benefit from doing things in the GPU. But to do so, it needs to know how that particular GPU works, and what special features it has available (eg: MPEG-2 and more recently MPEG-4 H.264 decoding). Apple tries to make this easy(ier) to do by providing things like the OpenGL and QuickTime frameworks and providing APIs into Quartz. Still up to the codec's author to take advantage of them tho. But wait -- let's make it more complicated! LOL What if the video player supports filtering and such, as VLC does? Well, then you give the GPU the data to crunch, *then take it back*, apply those filters and such using the main CPU, then pass the data off to the GPU *again* for rendering and display. ew. A good example of a codec author failure is, of course, Adobe's Flash. Instead of cleaning up their own code and taking advantage of the great tools that Apple provides, they spent millions on a b*tchfest about Apple refusing to give them direct access to the hardware. Another example is the development of the name brand DivX codec. Why is it so abysmally slow and unstable, while Perian runs circles around it LOL At 10:16 AM -0700 1/3/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. To elaborate a bit... DVD-Video is low-compression MPEG-2. Easy to play, even on a very slow machine. Streamed video is highly compressed Flash or MPEG-4 H.264. Very CPU intensive to decompress and decode -- and that's before the GPU involvement (if any). Now, to get back to the OP's problem... There is something going on BEYOND bus and processor speed and all that total guesswork hand-waving. On my 300 MHz Smurf, I can view YouTube video *smoothly* with fmt=5 added to the urls. If my *G3* Smurf can do that, then his *G4* Cube can certainly do it. But he says not. So there is something else happening. (waiting for specific answers to the questioned I posted on 1/3). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 PM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: 3 GB's per second Time Warner RoadRunner turbo Talladega Fast Run some traceroutes to the destination, to make sure there isn't a problem between you. This is not happening when using the G4 MDD, G5 Dual 2.7 or MacBook Pro on the same network. Ok. Run Activity Monitor and watch the paging and i/o rates. I have no idea what this is. If I have to be on iChat to check this it's hard to get anyone to stay up long enough.:-) Do YouTube vids clean up if you add fmt=5 to the end of the url? No the same deal. DVD's play perfect. The iChat and Skype is all I'm bothered with. DVDs playing fine means that your CPU, GPU, memory bus speed, and disk i/o speed are fine. Can you play streamed videos from sites such as hulu? No HuLu is a disaster Again - try Yahoo! Messenger's video. I suggest this because if it works ok then the problem is not your basic network connectivity etc. I don't know how to use Yahoo that's why I have iChat and Skype It's for the layamn. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Dan wrote: To elaborate a bit... DVD-Video is low-compression MPEG-2. Easy to play, even on a very slow machine. Streamed video is highly compressed Flash or MPEG-4 H.264. Very CPU intensive to decompress and decode -- and that's before the GPU involvement (if any). Now, to get back to the OP's problem... There is something going on BEYOND bus and processor speed and all that total guesswork hand- waving. On my 300 MHz Smurf, I can view YouTube video *smoothly* with fmt=5 added to the urls. If my *G3* Smurf can do that, then his *G4* Cube can certainly do it. But he says not. So there is something else happening. (waiting for specific answers to the questioned I posted on 1/3). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. I may not be correctly adding the fmt=5 to the url. can you explain how to do that. when I start the YouTube I add the code to the end of the url but I get no change on the Cube or my TiBooks. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
At 1:48 PM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: 3 GB's per second Time Warner RoadRunner turbo Talladega Fast Run some traceroutes to the destination, to make sure there isn't a problem between you. Why do you think some bus speed is involved? Playing video is very CPU intensive, not memory or i/o intensive. My MDD 1.25 and Cube have the exact same CCC'd system so I thought because the Cube Bus is 100 and the MDD is 167 this is the only difference in the machines the Cubes video card is GeForce 3. Also one of My TiBooks 867 is 133 bus and iChat is better than the Cube but not as good as the G4 MDD or the G5 PowerMac so the faster processors only seem to do well on the faster Bus for the streaming AV? Ok. Run Activity Monitor and watch the paging and i/o rates. Do YouTube vids clean up if you add fmt=5 to the end of the url? ? Try Yahoo! Messenger's video. Is it smooth? Are you having playing other videos? DVD's play perfect. The iChat and Skype is all I'm bothered with. DVDs playing fine means that your CPU, GPU, memory bus speed, and disk i/o speed are fine. Can you play streamed videos from sites such as hulu? Again - try Yahoo! Messenger's video. I suggest this because if it works ok then the problem is not your basic network connectivity etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 2, 2:24 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get a YouTube to play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. It sounds like the Cube is nicely upgraded, the weak link may be the video card. My Cube has a GeForce 6200, a popular upgrade for the Cube, and it plays video pretty well (considering its age!). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 2011, at 8:39 AM, dc wrote: On Jan 2, 2:24 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get a YouTube to play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. It sounds like the Cube is nicely upgraded, the weak link may be the video card. My Cube has a GeForce 6200, a popular upgrade for the Cube, and it plays video pretty well (considering its age!). I have a GeForce 3 card that replaced a Radeon 7500 so I think that would discount the video card plus the display is only a Apple Studio 17 ADC. Playing video is not a problem its the streaming stuff like YouTube, iChat and Skype. Compared to my G4 1.25 MDD and G5 2.7 PowerMac the Cube isn't in the hunt even though it's got a 1.2 GHz processor. I still need to check some more things that Dan suggested I'm not alone with this problem It's hard to find folks that use a Cube or any slow Bus machine for iChat or Skype, hence the confusion as to the video performance. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:56 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Playing video is not a problem its the streaming stuff like YouTube, iChat and Skype. Compared to my G4 1.25 MDD and G5 2.7 PowerMac the Cube isn't in the hunt even though it's got a 1.2 GHz processor. Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. Also a Geforce 6200 is a much newer card than a GeForce3, iirc. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:56 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Playing video is not a problem its the streaming stuff like YouTube, iChat and Skype. Compared to my G4 1.25 MDD and G5 2.7 PowerMac the Cube isn't in the hunt even though it's got a 1.2 GHz processor. Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. Also a Geforce 6200 is a much newer card than a GeForce3, iirc. -- My MDD has a Radeon Pro 9000 4x 64 MB card where as the Cube has a 2X slot with a 64 MB GeForce card, So using the smooth operation of the MDD 1.25 as a standard I assume the video card in the cube is adequate. Also one of my Cubies has a Nvidia 6800 256MB 256-Bit w/ Fan in his 1.7 Cube and no joy on ichat or Skype, This is where we seem to think the Bus speed is the bottle neck. So far I've heard from no one who claims to have a smooth, in sync, iChat or Skype experience on a Cube in any configuration. i JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get a YouTube to play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. My G4 MDD 1.25 is 100 % better than the Cube. Can this be a Bus speed issue the Cube is 100 and the MDD is 167. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
At 11:24 AM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get a YouTube to play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. My G4 MDD 1.25 is 100 % better than the Cube. Can this be a Bus speed issue the Cube is 100 and the MDD is 167. OS? Flash vers? iChat vers? Details count! What else is running? Have you tried clearing caches and such? What speed is your network connection? Is it running at said speed or ? Why do you think some bus speed is involved? Playing video is very CPU intensive, not memory or i/o intensive. Do YouTube vids clean up if you add fmt=5 to the end of the url? Try Yahoo! Messenger's video. Is it smooth? Are you having playing other videos? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 2, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:24 AM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get a YouTube to play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. My G4 MDD 1.25 is 100 % better than the Cube. Can this be a Bus speed issue the Cube is 100 and the MDD is 167. OS? Flash vers? iChat vers? Details count! OS 10.5.8, iChat 4.0.8, What else is running? Nothing not even Mail Have you tried clearing caches and such? To the max What speed is your network connection? Is it running at said speed or ? 3 GB's per second Time Warner RoadRunner turbo Talladega Fast Why do you think some bus speed is involved? Playing video is very CPU intensive, not memory or i/o intensive. My MDD 1.25 and Cube have the exact same CCC'd system so I thought because the Cube Bus is 100 and the MDD is 167 this is the only difference in the machines the Cubes video card is GeForce 3. Also one of My TiBooks 867 is 133 bus and iChat is better than the Cube but not as good as the G4 MDD or the G5 PowerMac so the faster processors only seem to do well on the faster Bus for the streaming AV? Do YouTube vids clean up if you add fmt=5 to the end of the url? Try Yahoo! Messenger's video. Is it smooth? Are you having playing other videos? DVD's play perfect. The iChat and Skype is all I'm bothered with. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube USB 2.0?
On 05-06-2010 18:23, JOHN CARMONNE, carmo...@aol.com, wrote: Is there a way to get USB 2.0 on a Cube? I have a USB wireless n dongle that only runs at b speed when plugged to a USB 1.1 port. So I want to try to get 2.0 on my Cubes. Perhaps you'll find a cute answer here: http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/ HTH, Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Cube USB 2.0?
Hi All Is there a way to get USB 2.0 on a Cube? I have a USB wireless n dongle that only runs at b speed when plugged to a USB 1.1 port. So I want to try to get 2.0 on my Cubes. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube USB 2.0?
The only way I know of to do this is to get a networked USB hub (like this one: http://www.belkin.com/networkusbhub/) and run ethernet from the Cube to the USB hub. There's no way to physically add internal USB 2.0 to the Cube. Chance On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Is there a way to get USB 2.0 on a Cube? I have a USB wireless n dongle that only runs at b speed when plugged to a USB 1.1 port. So I want to try to get 2.0 on my Cubes. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G4 Cube less power supply
Another source for a Cube poser supply is the earlier version of the DVIator from Dr. Botts. Their later DVIator is something else, but the earlier one is the same as the Cube's PS. I'm in the same situation, and it's an interesting concidence that your question came up just after I started thinking about finding a PS for my Cube. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Buying a G4 Cube less power supply
On Oct 27, 10:44 pm, joplinfan kawni...@cableone.net wrote: Have a chance this weekend to buy a 450mhz G4 Cube fairly cheap ($75)... less power supply. The specs aren't impressive... 64mb RAM and 20gb HD. Wouldn't mind having it for the collection, but I've heard these power supplies are hard to find and not cheap. Cube power supplies are not hard to find. I keep an extra one at home just in case, because I'm sure they will eventually be harder to get. Join the CubeOwner Forum (http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/ index.php?act=home) and ask there, you can also get very good help and advice. But be careful, sometimes Cube Owners go a little crazy, my free Cube ending up costing me several hundred dollars, it's specs now: Sonnet 1.2 GHz processor, 1.5 GB RAM, Maxtor 120GB/8MB hard drive, Matshita DL-DVR, GeForce 6200 with Zalman VGA cooler and a Zalman case fan, all in a clear PowerLogix case; OS X 10.5.8 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Buying a G4 Cube less power supply
Hi all, Have a chance this weekend to buy a 450mhz G4 Cube fairly cheap ($75)... less power supply. The specs aren't impressive... 64mb RAM and 20gb HD. Wouldn't mind having it for the collection, but I've heard these power supplies are hard to find and not cheap. I've got a G4 Sawtooth not being used and was wondering if the power supply could somehow be modified to work with a G4 Cube?... or would it be better to just look for an original power supply or find another G4 Cube deal with one included? Thanks, Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Buying a G4 Cube less power supply
I've got a G4 Sawtooth not being used and was wondering if the power supply could somehow be modified to work with a G4 Cube?... or would it be better to just look for an original power supply or find another G4 Cube deal with one included? The power supply is external, looks like a catalytic converter. Check out ebay or Craigslist, be patient and you can find them at a decent price, around $30-$50. mr --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Cube power supply question
I just received a 450Mhz G4 Cube bought via LEM Swapt. It is an US model and came with a US power supply. While I can easily find and European style adapted for the plug, I have been unable to check if this power suplly can be used with European voltage (220v). Many power sources have switches for 110/220v, while others are exclusively used with either 110 or 220v. I have downloaded the users manuals at Apple site, but this question isn`t answered. Can I use the supplied power source with this Cube, or do I have to find an European power source? Thanks! Gorka -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Cube power supply question
On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Gorka Martinez Mezo wrote: Can I use the supplied power source with this Cube, or do I have to find an European power source? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58689 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Cube power supply question
Thanks a lot! Missed this one! (I downloaded the pdf archives but without looking around! Gorka Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:46:38 -0500 Von: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net An: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Betreff: Re: G4 Cube power supply question On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Gorka Martinez Mezo wrote: Can I use the supplied power source with this Cube, or do I have to find an European power source? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58689 -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Cube ATI Rage 128 and Acer 223W monitor
On 9/15/08 8:40 PM, Jim said: I searched high and low to find out why the Cube and my 223W work fine together in VGA, but not in DVI mode. With more than a little disappointment, I now have the answer. The Mac version of the ATI Rage Pro 128 provides 1600x1000 and 1600x1200 as its top resolutions _in digital mode_. The Acer 223W won't support either of these resolutions. The highest _digital_ resolution that the 2 devices agree on is 1280x960, not exactly what I had in mind for a wide screen monitor that's capable of 1680x1050. I hope this helps others who may have been wrestling with the same problem. Before you buy a new digital monitor for your Cube, make sure it supports 1600 by 1000 or 1600 by 1200. This only goes to illustrate that doing a little research before purchasing something like a monitor is a GOOD idea. Don't just buy something 'un-researched' off the shelf. Investigate and find what meets your technical needs and price range, THEN make the purchase. -- Tim Collier MacBook Pro 2.33 gig 4 gig RAM http://www.timcolliermiami.com/ Soy un español en mi mente pero atrapado en un cuerpo estadounidense. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
