Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
On Jan 8, 10:03 am, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: I have recently updated my system software to 10.4 and have gotten all the complementary updates I think this computer at it's 400Mhz speed is just too slow for this modern software. Back in it's day it was lightening fast and now, in it's old age, seem's to take a little longer to accomplish routine tasks (like grandma!) But I guess it's still acceptable. Before you go out and buy that G5, just out of curiosity, how much RAM do you have installed? If you don't already have a lot of RAM (at least 1GB), that could be the biggest part of your problem. OS X works better with more RAM. My 733MHz DA works GREAT with 10.4.11. Doesn't feel sluggish at all. In fact, I think my Pismo G3 and dual USB iBook 600 are both doing pretty admirably under 10.4 with their RAM maxed out. All three of my machines were a big sluggish under 10.3.9, but once I upgraded to 10.4 and maxed the RAM, I noticed a big improvement. Maxing out the RAM in your machine would probably be a lot less expensive than the other options being floated around. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
i have used many of those upgrades. i have priced them they're good, but not cheap enough . first off, its very hard to tell which rev of the G4 you get. not all 7XXX freescale chips are the same, and most do not benchmark well if you're comparing with the original one you have., clock speed compare the spec benchmarks... get the MFG to give you the model of CPU. i like the AGP sawtooth because it takes a full 2GB of ram, and AGP cards are available. the later g4's only take 1.5GB, and the latest mac OS uses wads of RAm effectively if you have it. you need to consider a mini. especially since OS 10.6 is probably going to leave some machines behind, and its successor almost defineitely wont run on a G4 CPU at all. an intel core 2 duo makes those chips look silly. and soon the mini should be released that will take 4GB of ram. On Jan 4, 4:31 pm, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
On Jan 7, 3:30 pm, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote: I cannot bear to throw it away, the G4 Quicksilver case is one of the most beautiful Apple ever made. I agree... reminds me of 1950's view of what futuristic things were supposed to look like. I think mine is quite pretty too... it's the one between the blue and white g3 and the quicksilver.. I know the poster has decided to go with G5. He also has the slower 450Mhz processor there. But for all of us thinking about when to upgrade, and what to upgrade to - the time factor and love factor is what has governed my decision to keep my beloved dinosaur. I bought mine new at the end of '98 or '99, got it set up and have never turned it off... It cycles between sleep mode and usage and has done so for ten years now. Great machine... I have definately gotten my money's worth ($2500 new). I have recently updated my system software to 10.4 and have gotten all the complementary updates I think this computer at it's 400Mhz speed is just too slow for this modern software. Back in it's day it was lightening fast and now, in it's old age, seem's to take a little longer to accomplish routine tasks (like grandma!) But I guess it's still acceptable. I'll keep mine in good shape for my son to use when he's old enough. Thats the great thing about Mac's... they are almost timeless. I couldn't imagine try to use a ten year old Windoze machine -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
Also, think about the time it takes to figure out which computer to get, drag such from the store, drive to the seller's home, or wait for it to be shipped, move all your files, get used to it, etc., etc. I am upgrading my G4 just because I like it. I am keeping it for a couple more years. I did spent $250 on a new processor for it altho this may not actually be smart in terms of dollars and sense. If I get rid of it, I also have to either spend time selling it for something or find a home for it. I cannot bear to throw it away, the G4 Quicksilver case is one of the most beautiful Apple ever made. I know the poster has decided to go with G5. He also has the slower 450Mhz processor there. But for all of us thinking about when to upgrade, and what to upgrade to - the time factor and love factor is what has governed my decision to keep my beloved dinosaur. I also don't need to watch movies on it or edit video - it's fine for what I do. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
Also, think about the time it takes to figure out which computer to get, drag such from the store, drive to the seller's home, or wait for it to be shipped, move all your files, get used to it, etc., etc. I am upgrading my G4 just because I like it. I am keeping it for a couple more years. I did spent $250 on a new processor for it altho this may not actually be smart in terms of dollars and sense. If I get rid of it, I also have to either spend time selling it for something or find a home for it. I cannot bear to throw it away, the G4 Quicksilver case is one of the most beautiful Apple ever made. I know the poster has decided to go with G5. He also has the slower 450Mhz processor there. But for all of us thinking about when to upgrade, and what to upgrade to - the time factor and love factor is what has governed my decision to keep my beloved dinosaur. I also don't need to watch movies on it or edit video - it's fine for what I do. Or in my case there's not much that can be upgraded :(I only recently gave up and sold my BW G3 and I'm nursing along 7 G4s at work, I now have 6 'parts' machines which I'll be yanking apart in a week or so to save the good spares and dump the rest(cases) to take them off our taxes... with a few headed to charity. -sam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
Thanks to all of you for responding! Lots of differing views. After searching Ebay I have concluded that I would probably be better off buying a used G5. Although I love my G4! I have never turned this computer off since I bought it new in 1999 (except for moving twice) and it still runs flawlessly... it's just slow as christmas with the newer software (OSX 10.4). I can't bear to retire this thing just yet. Guess I'll just save it for my son (due March 7th) I guess this g4 will make a great starter computer for the boy. Anyway... thanks again! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
Bruce may not have the time to say what he said a few weeks ago. So, I will pass it on. It was a single line that essentially suggests; get a G5 than spend money on a G4 upgrade. I'm still mulling that suggestion. I have Sawtooths. I was hoping to get a DA but Bruce gave me something to think about...and I hope you too. aussieshepsrock wrote: HiYa RiverMan, There is a big 'IF' in my reccomendation, but I see the cheapest and most straight forward speed bump you can achieve is by sliding an Intel Mini in the place of your Tower. When I compare the 'benchmark' numbers in the MacTracker App between a 400mhz g4 agp to a late model Mini it goes from a 221 score to a 2300 score. That is a 10 fold increase. The big 'IF' is whether you can live without the PCI slots, Native OS9, and internal drive expansion and the like. A mini can be had for a lot less than tricking out a G4/400/agp. There is also no rule saying you have to throw away the G4 tower after getting your mini - peaceful coexistence really can happen! In my personal opinion, when faced with jumping upwards from an early G4 tower, there are multiple good reasons to pick a Mini and multiple reasons to not pick a mini - the answer for 'YOU' depends on what variables are important in your computing world and what budget you're working with. It's also hard to call a 10x power increase for 600ish bucks a mistake. At worst I personally would call it a relatively inexpensive technological placeholder to buy the power and see if it will work before dropping a ton of bucks on a current or late model Mac Tower. Richard On Jan 4, 4:31 pm, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
The modeling that determines what CPU to use is more complex than has been stated. it is not simply a matter of cost and capability but, and these are just some more considerations, it is a matter of answering these two additional questions: 1- Am I satisfied with what my current CPU does? 2- Will I be satisfied in the future (pick a time)? E.G. Since 1990, I have been using a IIci offline using OS 6.0.8. It is perfect for my text work (using WORD 4.0 and EXCEL 2.2) and it resides alongside a G4 either a DA or one of the earlier models when I take the current G4 out of service to do some offline maintenance and upgrading as I please. All my G4 use OS 10.4.11 flawlessly. I day trade and email quite a bit and a 133 bus speed and a 667 MHz in the DA is fine for my purposes whereas the 100 bus speed and lets say a 400 MHz cPU pon the ealrier G4s are also suitable for me. Spares are abundant and are usually less than 10% of original cost. The sine qua non for my configuraitons is that they are not put out of service with either hardware or software problems and with that in mind, I leave others to pave the way with new OS, software and hardware. That is important to me but may not be important ot others so I cannot give adivce on what to do but can give the advice as follows: 1- Know what you need to do; not what you want ot do. 2- Find the most reliable older CPU that will satisfy that need. 3- Buy spares. 4- Don't try to convert a Honda in to a Ferrari when all you will use the Honda is for grocery shopping. That principle should also apply to using computers. BTW: I and my wife own and use a 1981 Accord SE, a 1985 Accord Hatchback and a 1959 VW PU truck (which we use about 200 miles a year). I hope this minor opinion has helped. Mel --- On Mon, 1/5/09, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: From: nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:19 AM Bruce may not have the time to say what he said a few weeks ago. So, I will pass it on. It was a single line that essentially suggests; get a G5 than spend money on a G4 upgrade. I'm still mulling that suggestion. I have Sawtooths. I was hoping to get a DA but Bruce gave me something to think about...and I hope you too. aussieshepsrock wrote: HiYa RiverMan, There is a big 'IF' in my reccomendation, but I see the cheapest and most straight forward speed bump you can achieve is by sliding an Intel Mini in the place of your Tower. When I compare the 'benchmark' numbers in the MacTracker App between a 400mhz g4 agp to a late model Mini it goes from a 221 score to a 2300 score. That is a 10 fold increase. The big 'IF' is whether you can live without the PCI slots, Native OS9, and internal drive expansion and the like. A mini can be had for a lot less than tricking out a G4/400/agp. There is also no rule saying you have to throw away the G4 tower after getting your mini - peaceful coexistence really can happen! In my personal opinion, when faced with jumping upwards from an early G4 tower, there are multiple good reasons to pick a Mini and multiple reasons to not pick a mini - the answer for 'YOU' depends on what variables are important in your computing world and what budget you're working with. It's also hard to call a 10x power increase for 600ish bucks a mistake. At worst I personally would call it a relatively inexpensive technological placeholder to buy the power and see if it will work before dropping a ton of bucks on a current or late model Mac Tower. Richard On Jan 4, 4:31 pm, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:31 PM, RiverMan wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Freescale hasn't been making G4s which are faster than 1.4 GHz for years. Those which are now being sold as 1.6, 1.8 or even 2.0 GHz are the slower chips which have been burned in and tested at the higher speed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
HiYa RiverMan, There is a big 'IF' in my reccomendation, but I see the cheapest and most straight forward speed bump you can achieve is by sliding an Intel Mini in the place of your Tower. When I compare the 'benchmark' numbers in the MacTracker App between a 400mhz g4 agp to a late model Mini it goes from a 221 score to a 2300 score. That is a 10 fold increase. The big 'IF' is whether you can live without the PCI slots, Native OS9, and internal drive expansion and the like. A mini can be had for a lot less than tricking out a G4/400/agp. There is also no rule saying you have to throw away the G4 tower after getting your mini - peaceful coexistence really can happen! In my personal opinion, when faced with jumping upwards from an early G4 tower, there are multiple good reasons to pick a Mini and multiple reasons to not pick a mini - the answer for 'YOU' depends on what variables are important in your computing world and what budget you're working with. It's also hard to call a 10x power increase for 600ish bucks a mistake. At worst I personally would call it a relatively inexpensive technological placeholder to buy the power and see if it will work before dropping a ton of bucks on a current or late model Mac Tower. Richard On Jan 4, 4:31 pm, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
