Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 4:56 PM -0500 11/29/2009, Al boone wrote: I really can't figure out if this is a serious conversation or not. Is it possible to end it because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere? just my 2 cents. Works for me. John and I will never agree anyway. :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
Disconnect from the Internet. Seriously, disk space, bandwidth, and computing power, even today, is very expensive--if you can't financially support the websites you use then you shouldn't be expecting the service they provide you in exchange. I hate people who steal financially from those who rely on ad revenue to stay afloat with ad blockers. How selfish, what--do you all think these people grow money on trees? Oh, so technology should only be used to make us spend more money, and we shouldn't make use of technology that lets us save money and do what we'd like? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 9:05 AM -0800 11/29/2009, Paul wrote: Disconnect from the Internet. Seriously, disk space, bandwidth, and computing power, even today, is very expensive--if you can't financially support the websites you use then you shouldn't be expecting the service they provide you in exchange. I hate people who steal financially from those who rely on ad revenue to stay afloat with ad blockers. How selfish, what--do you all think these people grow money on trees? Oh, so technology should only be used to make us spend more money, and we shouldn't make use of technology that lets us save money and do what we'd like? Correct. You have been assimilated. Resistance is futile. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On Nov 29, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Paul wrote: Oh, so technology should only be used to make us spend more money, and we shouldn't make use of technology that lets us save money and do what we'd like? No, simply do not whinge about what gift horses' mouths contain. You want internet content sans ads? Pay for it. You want free internet content? Something's got to pay the bills... TANSTAAFL. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 2:36 PM -0500 11/29/2009, John Musbach wrote: On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Paul pper...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, so technology should only be used to make us spend more money, and we shouldn't make use of technology that lets us save money and do what we'd like? Oh you can, just don't expect services you don't financially support to be around very long. So you believe that sites MUST have in-your-face obnoxious offensive cpu-chewing advertising, or they'll fail? How does that work, against successful models such as google's simple line-item ads? Or the myriad of ad companies that offer only simple static banners? Remember all those free dial up and broadband ISP's and free unlimited hosts like Xoom? Yeah, they're gone. ;-) They were badly done with bad business models. They needed to go away. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On 11/29/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: So you believe that sites MUST have in-your-face obnoxious offensive cpu-chewing advertising, or they'll fail? How does that work, against successful models such as google's simple line-item ads? Or the myriad of ad companies that offer only simple static banners? Unfortunately yes. As nice as unobtrusive text ads and static graphic banners are they do not bring in nearly as much money as the obtrusive ads you're referring to. The unobtrusive ad formats can be used in conjunction with the obtrusive but unobtrusive ads can no longer make a website profitable on it's own, the end of free ISPs and unlimited hosts like xoom marked rye end of that period. -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
I really can't figure out if this is a serious conversation or not. Is it possible to end it because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere? just my 2 cents. On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/29/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: So you believe that sites MUST have in-your-face obnoxious offensive cpu-chewing advertising, or they'll fail? How does that work, against successful models such as google's simple line-item ads? Or the myriad of ad companies that offer only simple static banners? Unfortunately yes. As nice as unobtrusive text ads and static graphic banners are they do not bring in nearly as much money as the obtrusive ads you're referring to. The unobtrusive ad formats can be used in conjunction with the obtrusive but unobtrusive ads can no longer make a website profitable on it's own, the end of free ISPs and unlimited hosts like xoom marked rye end of that period. -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
in my router, there's an option called dns forwarder when ads bother me too much, I go in there and forward their domain to IP 127.0.0.1 I guess this can also be done in your local hosts file somewhere in macos /tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On 11/27/09 3:57 AM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: in my router, there's an option called dns forwarder when ads bother me too much, I go in there and forward their domain to IP 127.0.0.1 I guess this can also be done in your local hosts file somewhere in macos What a brilliant idea, though I suspect time consuming in finding their IPs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 10:09 PM -0600 11/26/2009, Caleb S. Cupples wrote: On Thursday 26 November 2009 17:48:57 Paul Stamsen wrote: I found this: com.trolltech.plist, in the prefs and moved it to Preferences (Corrupt) and that seems to have stopped the pop-in from CNet TechTracker. I did some research, and the Trolltech plist is put there by apps that are written using the Qt toolkit, and IIRC, there are several cross-platform Mac apps that use it, including some of Google's programs. Anyway, from what I've read, it seems like it's merely a coincidence that it had the effects that were documented, and I know it's relied on for the KDE apps I have running under OS X. The Qt stuff can be useful. If you open that plist in the Property List Editor, and widen the properly list field a *lot*, then you can see from which apps it was used. The key names include the app names. eg: Qt Factory Cache 4·5.com·trolltech·Qt·QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface:.Users.dan.Desktop.Minitube·app.Contents.PlugIns.imageformats.libqgif·dylib Minitube is an app I fooled around with recently. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On 11/27/09 3:57 AM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: in my router, there's an option called dns forwarder when ads bother me too much, I go in there and forward their domain to IP 127.0.0.1 I guess this can also be done in your local hosts file somewhere in macos What a brilliant idea, though I suspect time consuming in finding their IPs. you don't need their ip, just the domain name - ie: ad.doubleclick.net, googleads.g.doubleclick.net, adfarm.mediaplex.com just to name a few stumbled upon that concept somewhere, while looking for something else, but couldn't get it to work with the hostsfile in mac os 9 (probably did something wrong or couldn't find it or something) and complained to that cute little code nerd I know and who set up the router for me - he told me I could do it in the router I don't know about other routers, this one's kinda nerdy thing, a soekris box, running m0n0wall I like it ;-) /tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 3:24 AM +0100 11/28/2009, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: oh, and the nice thing about doing it in the router of course is that all the puters on the network benefits from it Doable IFF you have admin type access to said routers. And if you swap out the router, all those filters vanish. And if you screw up an entry, you can interrupt service for all those 'puters. And if you move the computer to a different location, it is no longer protected by such filters. How do you handle filtering on a domain to which access might be needed by someone else on your network? Ditto for issues of editing the hosts file. Requires admin access, no syntax errors, 100% cooperative users, etc. Sorry, I'm not a fan of this type of filtering. Domain blocking should be done in the browser, where it can easily be undone / corrected by normal users, not at a higher level where it becomes an admin hassle. Now, if you're running a large business and your job is to filter your users up the wazoo... then you deserve to have the hassle. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Other, unwanted intruders
Previously, referring to Twitter, the new cpu pig,at 3:19 pm -0500 11/26/09, Dan wrote: After beating Flash into submission with ClickToFlash, and blocking various animated ads with SafariBlock, my browsing speed was pretty durn quick! But now sites have begun including globs of Twitter***t, which makes Safari drink most of my CPU and eat more memory, especially if I've opened two or more tabs of these pages! Any ideas on how to block those, or at least stone (freeze) them? ...I'm just starting to look at their code, to see if something like SafariBlock can do it. And I'm getting a **ed pop-ups from NetFlicks or a pop-in from CNet TechTracker. What would you folks suggest to combat them? -- Thanks, Paul pjspop @ bresnan.net -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On 11/26/09, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: And I'm getting a **ed pop-ups from NetFlicks or a pop-in from CNet TechTracker. What would you folks suggest to combat them? Disconnect from the Internet. Seriously, disk space, bandwidth, and computing power, even today, is very expensive--if you can't financially support the websites you use then you shouldn't be expecting the service they provide you in exchange. I hate people who steal financially from those who rely on ad revenue to stay afloat with ad blockers. How selfish, what--do you all think these people grow money on trees? -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 3:53 PM -0500 11/26/2009, John Musbach wrote: On 11/26/09, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: And I'm getting a **ed pop-ups from NetFlicks or a pop-in from CNet TechTracker. What would you folks suggest to combat them? Disconnect from the Internet. Seriously, disk space, bandwidth, and computing power, even today, is very expensive--if you can't financially support the websites you use then you shouldn't be expecting the service they provide you in exchange. I hate people who steal financially from those who rely on ad revenue to stay afloat with ad blockers. How selfish, what--do you all think these people grow money on trees? There are many ways for sites to make money with advertising. There is simply NO NEED for a site to hammer us with ads that are resource hogging, intrusive, offensive, animated, etc etc etc. With a hardcopy magazine, you can quickly flip past any offensive ad - and still enjoy the magazine. Flash and ad blockers let us do the same thing with web sites. That's all. As for denying them income? Oh please. Ad rates are crashing because people don't click on these offensive presentations. If you like the site and want them to make money then CLICK on the ads. Vote with your mouse tho - be selective - click on the inoffensive static ones. Don't reward the advertiser's bad behavior. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
At 1:46 PM -0700 11/26/2009, Paul Stamsen wrote: And I'm getting a **ed pop-ups from NetFlicks or a pop-in from CNet TechTracker. What would you folks suggest to combat them? Specific URLs, so we can look at 'em? What ad blocker are you using? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
Previously, at 3:53 pm -0500 11/26/09, John Musbach wrote: Disconnect from the Internet. Seriously, disk space, bandwidth, and computing power, even today, is very expensive--if you can't financially support the websites you use then you shouldn't be expecting the service they provide you in exchange. I hate people who steal financially from those who rely on ad revenue to stay afloat with ad blockers. How selfish, what--do you all think these people grow money on trees? I simply don't understand. I'm not allowed to look? and then choose no thanks? -- Lawyers spend a great deal of their time shoveling smoke. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
Previously, at 4:15 pm -0500 11/26/09, Dan wrote: Specific URLs, so we can look at 'em? You know, I have no idea. Maybe CNET.com, but I have no idea where the NetFlix came from. What ad blocker are you using? Same as you ClickToFlash, and blocking various animated ads with SafariBlock. Thanks for the reasonable assistance and Happy Thanksgiving. P. -- Lawyers spend a great deal of their time shoveling smoke. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
I use SeaMonkey 2.0 with Adblock plus and NoScript. Both Add-ons do really, really well. NoScript has been doing most of the blocking and so on for me. On a side note, Lowend Mac seems to be the site I have the most problems with lately. ie. getting it to display properly. This is an issue with all my browsers and LEM. It's either everything is scrunched together or the Adds take up half the freakin' page. When I block the Add the whole half of the page it was covering is gone too. :P Talk about overkill!!! And when I use none in the style it finally displays OK but everything is all over the place. I know that's the way Dan does it, but I wish I could get it to load well or he'd just use something more compatible nearly all Mac web browsers could load properly at least. -Mike On Nov 26, 5:14 pm, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: Previously, at 4:15 pm -0500 11/26/09, Dan wrote: Specific URLs, so we can look at 'em? You know, I have no idea. Maybe CNET.com, but I have no idea where the NetFlix came from. What ad blocker are you using? Same as you ClickToFlash, and blocking various animated ads with SafariBlock. Thanks for the reasonable assistance and Happy Thanksgiving. P. -- Lawyers spend a great deal of their time shoveling smoke. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
I found this: com.trolltech.plist, in the prefs and moved it to Preferences (Corrupt) and that seems to have stopped the pop-in from CNet TechTracker. Interesting name, huh? p. -- Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On Nov 26, 6:48 pm, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: I found this: com.trolltech.plist, in the prefs and moved it to Preferences (Corrupt) and that seems to have stopped the pop-in from CNet TechTracker. Interesting name, huh? Yes, very interesting and appropriately named I must say. Sounds like a no-brainer of what to do with that .plist file. I'm sure someone or maybe even I could figure out an automator or Script of what to do to block that file entirely! Thank you very much for posting about this. I'm sure many will find it a file to put on their blacklist! On another side note to my previous post, never mind about my previous post about the LEM site, it seems to have gotten better or maybe I blocked it temporarily or whatever. Anyway it displays fine now. Sorry. -Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On Nov 26, 10:42 pm, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: Previously, at 7:31 pm -0800 11/26/09, Michael G.M. wrote: Yes, very interesting and appropriately named I must say. Sounds like a no-brainer of what to do with that .plist file. I'm sure someone or maybe even I could figure out an automator or Script of what to do to block that file entirely! Thank you very much for posting about this. I'm sure many will find it a file to put on their blacklist! Well I must be a no-brainer, 'cause I have no idea how to do what you suggest! :-[ Automator - You've surely heard of it. (?) Well, it's basically where there's a will, there's a script ready to be made. There's one Automator action to select that's called Watch what I do. The next time I get the Trolltech.plist file I'll launch Automator and select the watch what I do to create a workflow that automatically does this. There may be another way with Automator to do this, I dunno yet. I'll keep a watchful eye out for this file and study up on Automator to see what options there are for this. Do you use Tiger or Leopard? I'm just starting to look into Automator. I think I can find some uses for it, like this one. Cheers! -Mike P.S. And no, you're not a 'no-brainer'! Curiosity made the Mac, didn't it? -- John J. Plomp -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Other, unwanted intruders
On Thursday 26 November 2009 17:48:57 Paul Stamsen wrote: I found this: com.trolltech.plist, in the prefs and moved it to Preferences (Corrupt) and that seems to have stopped the pop-in from CNet TechTracker. Interesting name, huh? p. I did some research, and the Trolltech plist is put there by apps that are written using the Qt toolkit, and IIRC, there are several cross-platform Mac apps that use it, including some of Google's programs. Anyway, from what I've read, it seems like it's merely a coincidence that it had the effects that were documented, and I know it's relied on for the KDE apps I have running under OS X. Anyway, that's just my $0.02. Caleb -- Caleb S. Cupples Sociology Undergraduate, Tennessee Technological University Treasurer, TTU Unix Users Group -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
