Re: Safari Bookmark Bar
At 8:13 PM -0700 3/13/2012, gifutiger wrote: My Safari Bookmark Bar used to have one of those triangles next to the item on the par if it was a folder and had Bookmarks inside. Well something happened and the triangles have change to squares and if I click on them, all of the bookmarks inside open is separate folders. Open the bookmarks window (Bookmarks Show all bookmarks). On the items you don't want to auto-open, uncheck the auto-click item. Those auto-open bookmarks, btw, can be quite handy. I've got several... eg: AM I hit that in the morning and it opens all my news and finance and comics pages in separate tabs. If you hold down cmd or option while clicking on one, it will show you its contents, just like a normal grouped-bookmark. I've downloaded and reinstalled Safari 5.0.6 from the Apple archive server and everything has stayed the same Reinstalled? wtf? You're using a Mac not a peecee. Reinstalling anything on a Mac is the last thing you should ever consider. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari Bookmark Bar
Thanks Dan that was the problem. Cheers Harry (`-''-/).___ ..- -''`.. _ ( 6_ 6 )`-.( ``-._.-`) (_Y_.)'._ ) `._ `.'``-..-' ` `_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' ,-'' ,' (((.-' fl On Mar 14, 12:31 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:13 PM -0700 3/13/2012, gifutiger wrote: My Safari Bookmark Bar used to have one of those triangles next to the item on the par if it was a folder and had Bookmarks inside. Well something happened and the triangles have change to squares and if I click on them, all of the bookmarks inside open is separate folders. Open the bookmarks window (Bookmarks Show all bookmarks). On the items you don't want to auto-open, uncheck the auto-click item. Those auto-open bookmarks, btw, can be quite handy. I've got several... eg: AM I hit that in the morning and it opens all my news and finance and comics pages in separate tabs. If you hold down cmd or option while clicking on one, it will show you its contents, just like a normal grouped-bookmark. I've downloaded and reinstalled Safari 5.0.6 from the Apple archive server and everything has stayed the same Reinstalled? wtf? You're using a Mac not a peecee. Reinstalling anything on a Mac is the last thing you should ever consider. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari Bookmark Bar
Greetings This may be the wrong place to post this question, if so would someone please point me to the correct Group. My Safari Bookmark Bar used to have one of those triangles next to the item on the par if it was a folder and had Bookmarks inside. Well something happened and the triangles have change to squares and if I click on them, all of the bookmarks inside open is separate folders. If I go to Bookmarks on the top and pull the drop-down menu the Bookmark shows up with all of the triangles. I've downloaded and reinstalled Safari 5.0.6 from the Apple archive server and everything has stayed the same Platform is a 1.25Gh Dual MDD running OS X 10.5.8 2.0Gb Memory. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1.3 quitting on YouTubes, on iMac G4 1G
I recommend MacTubes for youtube, tubetv hung up sometimes, never a problem with mactubes. On Feb 25, 2012, at 1:26 AM, Mullin9 wrote: Safari 4.1.3 tends to quit, when i go to YouTubes, but it runs fine on most other websites, I'm using an iMac G4 1GHz, it have 768 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.4.11, and Quicktime 7.6.2, could it be a problem with YouTube? or Safari, However i downloaded TubeTV for YouTube to solve the quit issue, -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1.3 quitting on YouTubes, on iMac G4 1G
At 10:26 PM -0800 2/24/2012, Mullin9 wrote: Safari 4.1.3 tends to quit, when i go to YouTubes, but it runs fine on most other websites, I'm using an iMac G4 1GHz, it have 768 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.4.11, and Quicktime 7.6.2 Upgrade to QuickTime 7.6.4. What version Flash do you have installed? What InputManagers do you have installed? What Safari plug-ins do you have installed? Does the problem still occur when you remove the InputManagers and Plug-ins? , could it be a problem with YouTube? or Safari What exactly do you mean by tends to quit? Does the app just go away, or is it crashing? If the latter, show us the crash log. Exactly when does it fail -- when you visit any youtube page? a specific page? when you're playing a specific video? Please provide details and urls. Have you tried the normal cache clearing etc? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari 4.1.3 quitting on YouTubes, on iMac G4 1G
Safari 4.1.3 tends to quit, when i go to YouTubes, but it runs fine on most other websites, I'm using an iMac G4 1GHz, it have 768 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.4.11, and Quicktime 7.6.2, could it be a problem with YouTube? or Safari, However i downloaded TubeTV for YouTube to solve the quit issue, -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1.3 quitting on YouTubes, on iMac G4 1G
On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Mullin9 wrote: Safari 4.1.3 tends to quit, when i go to YouTubes, but it runs fine on most other websites, I'm using an iMac G4 1GHz, it have 768 MB RAM, Mac OS 10.4.11, and Quicktime 7.6.2, could it be a problem with YouTube? or Safari, However i downloaded TubeTV for YouTube to solve the quit issue, mactubes, all the way. it works well on tiger and leopard, and you have quicktime render the video instead of flash. check macupdates.com for it. or if you search the past archives of the group and look for the ppc flash article(i cannot remember its name) it refers to changing a version number that fools the interwebs(facebook, youtube, whatevs)to think it is anewer version of flash, check the back issue if that sounds what you are looking for. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
Il giorno 31-12-2011 20:37, Dan ha scritto: At 12:25 PM -0700 12/31/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: Learning what's 'normal' is the key. My keyboard has no 'normal' key. I can't even sing that key. sigh. Thank you Dan. You made me laugh! :-D I finally found the 'any' key!!! ;-) PS: And talking about keys, a real stroke of PC genius: Keyboard Not Found - Press F1 to continue. Happy new year, folks!!! :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
On Dec 30, 8:24 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Paranoia is sometimes a bad thing. Blocking CDNs can destroy your whole surfing experience. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Thanks for the rational explanation Dan, for a Psychoceramic Emeritus you are remarkably non-paranoid! I was mainly concerned because these were outgoing, not incoming, activities. When I shut down Pandora and cleared all website data most of the activity stopped. That makes sense to me, Pandora is constantly running pop-up ads and collecting data about the music I select. Even with just this page open I still get 6 different connections (Activity Monitor shows only this page). So I guess I'll try to be calm about 1.amazonaws.com, akamaitechnologies.com, iad04s01-in, etc. Maybe a little medicinal champagne is in order for me this evening. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
On Dec 31, 2011, at 7:21 AM, dc wrote: When I shut down Pandora and cleared all website data most of the activity stopped. That makes sense to me, Pandora is constantly running pop-up ads and collecting data about the music I select. Even with just this page open I still get 6 different connections (Activity Monitor shows only this page). Brings up a point I've been wanting to ask ... Does Pandora (or could any other site) use computer resources (perhaps your cpu) if you give it permission to? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:21 AM, dc wrote: When I shut down Pandora and cleared all website data most of the activity stopped. That makes sense to me, Pandora is constantly running pop-up ads and collecting data about the music I select. If you're not paying for the service, you're not the customer...you're the product. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Brings up a point I've been wanting to ask ... Does Pandora (or could any other site) use computer resources (perhaps your cpu) if you give it permission to? This is a generalized case of rule #3 of computer security: Rule 1) If you let the bad guy physically access your computer...it's not your computer anymore. Rule 2) If you let the bad guy run programs on your computer...it's not your computer anymore. Rule 3) If you run programs FOR the bad guy on your computer...it's not your computer anymore. If you agree to run software that can access your CPU for various purposes, then yes they can. If they start doing this too surreptitiously, they'll get caught pretty quickly (witness Sony's horrible 'rootkit' DRM experience of a few years ago) Generally speaking the only folks who do this are the ones who say they're doing it: Folding@Home, SETI@Home, etc. Dropbox has user-level access to your system, there's a Dropbox daemon running on all my Macs right now. It has to, to work correctly. All said, scrutinizing your network communications without knowing what's really going on is an exercise in futility and fear. As Dan pointed out...often what looks like a sinister connection is actually a completely normal part of the modern internet experience. As dc discovered, Pandora can't do the kinds of things it does without a lot of communications to and fro. If you don't like it, don't use the service... It helps when people are aware of what goes on, but if they aren't educated about what is and isn't scary, you get the things like the periodic freakout on the nightly news when they rediscover 'cookies' again and suddenly 'cookies' are the scariest threat imaginable. (and then I get emails and phone calls from folks here at the U about how our internal web tools aren't working is there something wrong with the internet?...no, you disabled cookies, again, didn't you, because some gasbag on the news did a segment on it? ) The best way to do this is to use these privacy tools as a guide to seeing what normally goes on with your computer. Don't assume that your system is horribly hacked and they're siphoning off all your data to their secret underground lairs. It's like the system log. If you look at your system log at boot time you'll see dozens of things that look like problems, this thing failed to load, that thing was disabled, this process was killed, the other file wasn't found. Uneducated you'll come away thinking your system is on the brink of collapse. Knowing that all of these events are normal (if you're not having problems with your computer, that is) puts all of this info in a different light. Learning what's 'normal' is the key. You don't need to know what things are, just that, 'this is new, I haven't seen that before'. Or don't learn this, and learn to stop worrying...the only security things a Mac user really ever has to do is turn off the 'Open safe files after downloading' preference in Safari, and recognize that a web site telling you your Mac is infected with a virus is lying to you and is trying to infect your Mac. That's it. OS X is a remarkably robust, hard-to-break operating system that's quite secure; out of the box there's nothing for an intruder to attack, because you have no outward-facing services running. Moreover given that probably 80-90% of you are connecting through home networks behind a NAT-enabled router (meaning that outside connections couldn't find their way to your system if they tried, even if you were running everything wide open) and that 99.999% of all the malware in the world, and 100% of all the malware 'in the wild is aimed at Windows...you don't really have anything to worry about. Relax, have some champagne, enjoy the New Year, and go forth and have fun with your mac or your family and friends or your dogs and cats (or iguanas, hamsters and fancy rats if that's your gig!)...and you'll excuse me, since a canine member of the family keeps jostling my elbow and dropping her tennis ball on the floor suggestively, I believe I'll just go and do that! -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
At 12:25 PM -0700 12/31/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: Learning what's 'normal' is the key. My keyboard has no 'normal' key. I can't even sing that key. sigh. At 10:06 AM -0500 12/31/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: Does Pandora (or could any other site) use computer resources (perhaps your cpu) if you give it permission to? Bruce covered it pretty well. My complaint is these complex JavaScripts that many sites are using these days, to display BS from twitter, comment tracking services, etc. Very annoying. Some are so bad that Safari complains that the scripts are chewing up too much. Of course, if you block them then things start breaking... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
On 2011/12/30 16:15, dc so eloquently wrote: After reading over one of the topics in this list I installed Private Eye. What a mistake! Now I'm paranoid! There are scores of outgoing connections, including amazonaws.com. How do I disable or remove them? ClamAV shows the system is clean but there seems to be a lot of unauthorized activity going on. The bigger concern probably isn't who you browser is contacting but instead rogue process's. If you see Nefarious Application That Steals Your Identity or some other app you don't recognize connecting to amazonaws or akama that is when you need to worry. Of course this requires becoming familiar with the names of normal system process' because at first they might seem to be unknown. In this regard Google is your friend, when I see a process that I haven't seen before, I look it up first and so far every time there have been other people asking about the same process's. That's not to say that Safari can't be made to do bad things, but it's not very likely. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
After reading over one of the topics in this list I installed Private Eye. What a mistake! Now I'm paranoid! There are scores of outgoing connections, including amazonaws.com. How do I disable or remove them? ClamAV shows the system is clean but there seems to be a lot of unauthorized activity going on. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
Amazonaws.com is a web hosting service. You're likely visiting sites that display content hosted on Amazon's servers. The same thing more than likely applies to some of the other connections you are seeing. Chance On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: After reading over one of the topics in this list I installed Private Eye. What a mistake! Now I'm paranoid! There are scores of outgoing connections, including amazonaws.com. How do I disable or remove them? ClamAV shows the system is clean but there seems to be a lot of unauthorized activity going on. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I block outgoing connections in Safari?
At 3:15 PM -0800 12/30/2011, dc wrote: After reading over one of the topics in this list I installed Private Eye. What a mistake! Now I'm paranoid! There are scores of outgoing connections, including amazonaws.com. How do I disable or remove them? Paranoia is sometimes a bad thing. Blocking CDNs can destroy your whole surfing experience. Web sites, especially big ones, are often not what you think... A domain name may actually lead to multiple clusters of servers, located in various places around the world. And the elements a page needs - they often come from Content Delivery Networks, aka mirrors and caches, again located all over the world. Depending how the element is accessed you may or may not see the CDN's name. Amazon, for example, is one of the largest that often shows its name. Akami is another. For further reading, the tip of the iceberg be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network In Safari, open the Activity window. It's live - it updates as pages are loaded. From there, you can get an idea of what urls are being referenced (accessed). Still can't tell from those urls exactly what sites are being accessed tho, as things sometimes redirect etc. But it's a good start, to give you a feel for what's going on behind the scenes. There are various ad blockers available for Safari. They can be programmed to block just about any domain. Again... be careful what you block. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari
I am on a MDD (10.5.8, Dual 867 MHz) running Safari 5.0.6 with 17 tabs spread among 3 windows Only ones that might always be doing something are Facebook and Mafia Wars (on Facebook) So why does Safari jump around on CPU usage (seen it as low as 8.5% and as high as over 111+ %) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari
On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Only ones that might always be doing something are Facebook and Mafia Wars (on Facebook) So why does Safari jump around on CPU usage (seen it as low as 8.5% and as high as over 111+ %) Because you have Facebook and a Facebook game open, plus whatever those other 15 tabs might be doing that you don't know about. It's not really rocket science here: close a tab, watch the CPU for a bit, rinse and repeat. When the CPU usage goes down and stays there, you found the culprit. (this time, at least.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
I learned many moons ago from reading Dan's responses that he is usually right 99.9 percent of the time. I have not checked it out myself to validate, but if Dan says that there is a Debug menu as well, I personally believe him. :) I may test it out on my system at home to satisfy my curiosity though. :P Sent from my iPad On May 4, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: O.K. but you lost me regarding 'debug menu' (I'm running 10.5.8). Where is debug menu? Maybe he means what in my Safari 4.1.3 is called the Developer menu? You can make that appear in Safari’s Preferences/Advanced. Still, no Caches window there, but maybe the Web inspector can help? Or, to fix the problem, you could try switching Caches off there. Just guessing, waiting for the final word... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
On May 4, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Jason Brown wrote: if Dan says that there is a Debug menu as well, I personally believe him. There is, the confusion arises because the developer menu (which had to be enabled via the command-line preferences tool) included the debug stuff before Apple made the Developer menu a selectable item in the prefs. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
At 5:31 AM -0700 5/4/2011, JGetchel wrote: On May 3, 10:54 pm, Jim McGee orb...@dslextreme.com wrote: O.K. but you lost me regarding 'debug menu' (I'm running 10.5.8). Where is debug menu? It is actually called the Develop menu, and it is enabled via Preferences-Advanced, and tick the box Show Develop menu in menu bar No, I meant what I said: the Debug menu. You enable it with a hidden preference. Tools such of OnyX will do it for you, or you can issue a defaults command in Terminal. defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
On May 4, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:31 AM -0700 5/4/2011, JGetchel wrote: On May 3, 10:54 pm, Jim McGee orb...@dslextreme.com wrote: O.K. but you lost me regarding 'debug menu' (I'm running 10.5.8). Where is debug menu? It is actually called the Develop menu, and it is enabled via Preferences-Advanced, and tick the box Show Develop menu in menu bar No, I meant what I said: the Debug menu. You enable it with a hidden preference. Tools such of OnyX will do it for you, or you can issue a defaults command in Terminal. defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Thanks Dan, Jim McGee (aka: mudbro) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
O.K. but you lost me regarding 'debug menu' (I'm running 10.5.8). Where is debug menu? Maybe he means what in my Safari 4.1.3 is called the Developer menu? You can make that appear in Safari’s Preferences/Advanced. Still, no Caches window there, but maybe the Web inspector can help? Or, to fix the problem, you could try switching Caches off there. Just guessing, waiting for the final word... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari memory leak fixed ?
Well, after some weeks of tracking Safari's relentless grab of memory allocation, I discovered that it seems to have been fixed. Was this fixed in 5.0.5 ? If so, it wasn't immediately apparent upon installing the 5.0.5 software update two+ weeks ago. Yesterday I fired up my dual MDD (2 GB ram) as usual and checked Safari's bloat with the result showing that the memory usage was low and on quitting Safari the allocation was released back to the free memory. Any comments ? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
At 6:35 PM -0700 5/3/2011, Jim McGee wrote: Well, after some weeks of tracking Safari's relentless grab of memory allocation, I discovered that it seems to have been fixed. Was this fixed in 5.0.5 ? If so, it wasn't immediately apparent upon installing the 5.0.5 software update two+ weeks ago. Yesterday I fired up my dual MDD (2 GB ram) as usual and checked Safari's bloat with the result showing that the memory usage was low and on quitting Safari the allocation was released back to the free memory. Some of the leak in Safari is fixed. Ditto WebKit. But Flash still has problems. Realize also that much of the bloat of Safari is not leak - it's intentional. Safari is busy caching things in memory, creating page previews, etc. If you enable the Debug menu, then you can select Show Caches Window ... some interesting insight there as to what's going on. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari memory leak fixed ?
O.K. but you lost me regarding 'debug menu' (I'm running 10.5.8). Where is debug menu? Thanks, Jim McGee (aka:mudbro) On May 3, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:35 PM -0700 5/3/2011, Jim McGee wrote: Well, after some weeks of tracking Safari's relentless grab of memory allocation, I discovered that it seems to have been fixed. Was this fixed in 5.0.5 ? If so, it wasn't immediately apparent upon installing the 5.0.5 software update two+ weeks ago. Yesterday I fired up my dual MDD (2 GB ram) as usual and checked Safari's bloat with the result showing that the memory usage was low and on quitting Safari the allocation was released back to the free memory. Some of the leak in Safari is fixed. Ditto WebKit. But Flash still has problems. Realize also that much of the bloat of Safari is not leak - it's intentional. Safari is busy caching things in memory, creating page previews, etc. If you enable the Debug menu, then you can select Show Caches Window ... some interesting insight there as to what's going on. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs? Date:Friday, 08. April 2011 From:Tom tba...@nmia.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Thanks for the help, guys! I've never used the System Monitor to see what's going on, Andreas, so I'll have to figure out how to do that next time the slowdown happens. I'm not much of a power user. I wonder if that's the thing called Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder? Sorry, my mistake. Activity Monitor is the right thing. Mostly I'm not sitting in front of a Mac anymore these days, but I did for a couple of years and occasionally I still do. It's like they say, “Out of sight, out of mind.” Sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
Thanks Andreas. And Bruce, you should really should write a book explaining Macs to non-techies like me. You have a way of making it all understandable. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
Thanks for the help, guys! I've never used the System Monitor to see what's going on, Andreas, so I'll have to figure out how to do that next time the slowdown happens. I'm not much of a power user. I wonder if that's the thing called Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder? I tried it, and it's an interesting display, showing real memory, virtual memory, etc. I'll put it on the dock, and launch it next time I have a Safari slowdown to see if I can get a clue as to the cause. Just watching it as I go from website to website, it seems to vary between 60 and 90 MB of Real Memory. Good to know that quitting and restarting Safari will fix things, though, at least temporarily. I'll try that too, the next time the trouble occurs. Yes, this Mac is online all day, and it seems to be a progressive slowdown as the day goes on. I don't know what a memory leak is, but I'm not keen on the idea of leaking anything. Sounds like this kind of leak is not something easily plugged. I went and got Click to Flash and installed it in Safari. So far, so good, no slowdowns since I installed it, and it's interesting to see Flash items being blocked by flat gray icons. Thanks for telling me about that, Bruce. I'd never heard of it before. Best, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Tom wrote: I don't know what a memory leak is, but I'm not keen on the idea of leaking anything. Sounds like this kind of leak is not something easily plugged. A memory leak is a byproduct the way computer programming works. In extremely simplified layman's terms: Every time you ask a program to do something (create a new document, display a web page, try to blow up an alien in a game, etc) it needs to make an object in the computer's memory to hold that stuff and any data associated with it. To do this the program has to ask the OS for some memory space to do it. When you're done with the something (save and close the document, quit that web page, blow up the alien :-) that memory is no longer needed to hold anything. In theory, the program is supposed to tell the OS Ok I'm done, I don't need this memory space any more., and the OS releases the memory back into the pool of available memory. In practice, programs fail to do this, forget to do this, or don't get around to doing this. So the OS has no idea that the chunk of memory it gave the program is no longer in use. In some cases the program DOES tell the OS to release the memory, but something else says No, wait a minute I'm still using it! And in others the program simply doesn't tell the OS about all the memory it's actually using for the object. While any single instance of this is not large, over time these lapses add up. The PROGRAM thinks it's done with the memory, the OS doesn't think so, so it sits there, unused and unusable. This is what's happened when you've been running Safari (and Flash, apparently) all day long. When a program quits, ALL the memory in use by it is released and freed, whether or not something else thinks it's using it, which is why it works to quit and restart Safari. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
This is a G5 with 8GB of RAM running 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.4. Why does Safari slow down more and more as you use it during the day? It works all right for a while, then when you want to scroll down a page or something, it throws up the spinning beachball, and there's a long delay before it does anything. And from that point the delays get longer and longer until the browser is so slow it's unusable. Emptying the cache makes no difference. Is there any way to fix this sluggishness when it happens? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Any fix for Safari slow-downs? Date:Thursday, 07. April 2011 From:Tom tba...@nmia.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com This is a G5 with 8GB of RAM running 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.4. Why does Safari slow down more and more as you use it during the day? It works all right for a while, then when you want to scroll down a page or something, it throws up the spinning beachball, and there's a long delay before it does anything. And from that point the delays get longer and longer until the browser is so slow it's unusable. This sounds either like a memory leak in Safari (some developer made a big mistake in Safari's program code) or maybe you have a memory problem in your G5. I'm using Safari 4.1.3 on a G3 BW and it doesn't slow down. But I'm not surfing a lot the whole day, so maybe I haven't reached this point yet. Emptying the cache makes no difference. Is there any way to fix this sluggishness when it happens? Still sounds like a memory leak. What does System Monitor report about the memory usage of Safari/the whole system? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Tom wrote: Emptying the cache makes no difference. Is there any way to fix this sluggishness when it happens? This is likely memory leaks in Safari or plugins or extensions (Flash, I'm looking at YOU!); quitting and restarting Safari is a sure way of fixing it. Look at your plugins, consider something like 'Click to Flash' to reduce the use of Flash. I have Click to Flash installed on mine, Safari is running ALL the time, and I rarely see the SPOD. Current stats are: ID Proc. Name %cpuUserthread Real memkind VmemCPU time 449 Safari 1.5 johnson 17 678.0 MBIntel (64 bit) 742.1 MB35:56.74 35 minutes of CPU time is a LOT of run time. (opening a new tab, then a new window with 7 tabs in it only added 4 seconds) I don't recall having quit and restarted Safari in a long time; my current up time is 8 days. Alternatively it could be the web page itself, poorly written, flash-heavy web sites can spod out on you all by themselves, but the 'as the day goes on' bit really sounds like a memory leak. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
I would try using a dns like google. Maybe that would help response time. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2011, at 15:05, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Tom wrote: Emptying the cache makes no difference. Is there any way to fix this sluggishness when it happens? This is likely memory leaks in Safari or plugins or extensions (Flash, I'm looking at YOU!); quitting and restarting Safari is a sure way of fixing it. Look at your plugins, consider something like 'Click to Flash' to reduce the use of Flash. I have Click to Flash installed on mine, Safari is running ALL the time, and I rarely see the SPOD. Current stats are: IDProc. Name%cpuUserthreadReal memkindVmem CPU time 449 Safari1.5johnson17678.0 MBIntel (64 bit) 742.1 MB35:56.74 35 minutes of CPU time is a LOT of run time. (opening a new tab, then a new window with 7 tabs in it only added 4 seconds) I don't recall having quit and restarted Safari in a long time; my current up time is 8 days. Alternatively it could be the web page itself, poorly written, flash-heavy web sites can spod out on you all by themselves, but the 'as the day goes on' bit really sounds like a memory leak. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Any fix for Safari slow-downs?
On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:24 PM, elbert boone wrote: I would try using a dns like google. Maybe that would help response time. dns issues will not get worse as the day goes on. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari and a RAM Disk
IN another thread, At 12:00 PM -0700 3/21/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: I understand that more content is being posted in HD but most if not all of what I watch has the option to dial it down a bit to say 360p and it runs fine. LOTS of people don't recognize that you can dial it down. See also this classic rant from John Welch: http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2010/01/stop_crashing_my_browser.html Kibo, Bynkii, the Spaghetti Monster... these are a few of my favorite things. I've even subscribed to mailing lists mentioned by L'Bynkii, just to bask in his writings. Ok, not sure if bask is the right word, especially since it sometimes involves cleaning my keyboard. He speaks my mind awfully frequently! Stop Crashing My Browser. And to follow that theme... I tried a bit of an experiment the other day, with Safari. First I ran with its cache disabled. Interesting but not much performance boost. Then I tried using a small RAM Disk, 16 MB, and put the Safari cache there. hum! Interesting. Some pages now load much faster. And having that memory dedicated to that virtual disk really hasn't changed the performance of my already memory-poor machine at all. About makin them RAM Disks http://osxdaily.com/2007/03/23/create-a-ram-disk-in-mac-os-x/ Espérance DV (freeware) -- a system preferences pane that automates creating the ram disk for you. It can even take care of moving Safari's cache. http://www.mparrot.net/ I'm using Tiger on a QuickSilver. Does Experance work on newer and x86? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari and a RAM Disk
On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Dan wrote: And to follow that theme... I tried a bit of an experiment the other day, with Safari. First I ran with its cache disabled. Interesting but not much performance boost. Then I tried using a small RAM Disk, 16 MB, and put the Safari cache there. hum! Interesting. Some pages now load much faster. And having that memory dedicated to that virtual disk really hasn't changed the performance of my already memory-poor machine at all. About makin them RAM Disks http://osxdaily.com/2007/03/23/create-a-ram-disk-in-mac-os-x/ Espérance DV (freeware) -- a system preferences pane that automates creating the ram disk for you. It can even take care of moving Safari's cache. http://www.mparrot.net/ I'm using Tiger on a QuickSilver. Does Experance work on newer and x86? It works, yes. I've set up a 256mb one, and had it move the caches over. I'll see if it seems faster. It'll be hard to see, though. I've got a fast system (this was on my quadcore imac, which has a 7200 rpm drive) I'll put it on my AlBook tonight and see if it helps. (also with a 7200 rpm drive) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari and a RAM Disk
I'm trying it on a MacPro running 10.6.6, although I was hesitant to install anything with such an ugly icon. Despite that it seems to work. On Mar 21, 4:12 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: It works, yes. I've set up a 256mb one, and had it move the caches over. I'll see if it seems faster. It'll be hard to see, though. I've got a fast system (this was on my quadcore imac, which has a 7200 rpm drive) I'll put it on my AlBook tonight and see if it helps. (also with a 7200 rpm drive) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger: Fast, but Not Perfect
I am using tenfourfox and it's pretty good. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2011, at 0:07, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: I'm rather disappointed with Charles Moore's latest article (yesterday) on LEM. http://lowendmac.com/misc/11mr/safari-4.1.3-for-tiger.html Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger: Fast, but Not Perfect Charles Moore - 2011.03.15 Apple takes a lot of stick from users of older Mac hardware for dropping support for their machines from later versions of the Mac OS - and for older Mac OS versions from the latest software. Well deserved stick, IMO. [snip] However, I want to salute Apple for just releasing one more update of its Safari browser for OS X 10.4 users. Version 10.4 is not supported by the current Safari (version 5), but along with the latest Safari 5 security update release, Apple also issued a Safari 4.1.3 update for us holdout Tiger users, and it seems to be a very decent browser - possibly the best left among the diminishing handful of up-to-date browsers that still support OS X 10.4. Folx, can you please double check me on the version of Safari? AFAIK, Apple has left us Tiger users with our pants hanging open - there just is no corresponding security update for Tiger, to go with the 9 March 2011 release of Safari 5.0.4. Safari 5.0.4 update: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1070 and it references Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger, dated 18 November 2010. http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1069 [snip] until I noticed that there was a lot of hard drive activity going on in the background even when I wasn't doing anything. I tried closing tabs. Still no joy. However, quitting Safari 4.1.3 ended the background busy-work Starting up Safari caused it to resume. Bummer, that doesn't happen with Opera, OmniWeb, or SeaMonkey, all of which I use regularly on the Pismo. This has been covered on the LEM lists repeatedly, I believe. Safari is updating the Top Sites its site preview images. If you turn off the Top Sites, that background traffic goes away. [snip] the need to use an installer and restart the machine after installation instead of just dragging the application into the Applications Folder Again, covered on the lists: Safari is NOT a self contained app. It is an app plus a bunch of shared frameworks (WebKit, et al). The only way to complete the installation of those frameworks is to make everything accessing them - other apps and system components - let go, which is most cleanly done with a reboot. Now, if you want, I'm sure Apple could provide a stand-alone version of Safari. Then you can deal with all the wasted memory from having non-shared sharable libraries. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger: Fast, but Not Perfect
I'm rather disappointed with Charles Moore's latest article (yesterday) on LEM. http://lowendmac.com/misc/11mr/safari-4.1.3-for-tiger.html Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger: Fast, but Not Perfect Charles Moore - 2011.03.15 Apple takes a lot of stick from users of older Mac hardware for dropping support for their machines from later versions of the Mac OS - and for older Mac OS versions from the latest software. Well deserved stick, IMO. [snip] However, I want to salute Apple for just releasing one more update of its Safari browser for OS X 10.4 users. Version 10.4 is not supported by the current Safari (version 5), but along with the latest Safari 5 security update release, Apple also issued a Safari 4.1.3 update for us holdout Tiger users, and it seems to be a very decent browser - possibly the best left among the diminishing handful of up-to-date browsers that still support OS X 10.4. Folx, can you please double check me on the version of Safari? AFAIK, Apple has left us Tiger users with our pants hanging open - there just is no corresponding security update for Tiger, to go with the 9 March 2011 release of Safari 5.0.4. Safari 5.0.4 update: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1070 and it references Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger, dated 18 November 2010. http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1069 [snip] until I noticed that there was a lot of hard drive activity going on in the background even when I wasn't doing anything. I tried closing tabs. Still no joy. However, quitting Safari 4.1.3 ended the background busy-work Starting up Safari caused it to resume. Bummer, that doesn't happen with Opera, OmniWeb, or SeaMonkey, all of which I use regularly on the Pismo. This has been covered on the LEM lists repeatedly, I believe. Safari is updating the Top Sites its site preview images. If you turn off the Top Sites, that background traffic goes away. [snip] the need to use an installer and restart the machine after installation instead of just dragging the application into the Applications Folder Again, covered on the lists: Safari is NOT a self contained app. It is an app plus a bunch of shared frameworks (WebKit, et al). The only way to complete the installation of those frameworks is to make everything accessing them - other apps and system components - let go, which is most cleanly done with a reboot. Now, if you want, I'm sure Apple could provide a stand-alone version of Safari. Then you can deal with all the wasted memory from having non-shared sharable libraries. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1.3 for Tiger: Fast, but Not Perfect
Folx, can you please double check me on the version of Safari? Well, I with Safari 4.1.3 just ran Software Update and was only told (as usual) that all my software appears to be up to date. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
On 3/6/11 12:06 AM, Dan wrote: I have never seen a dns that gave a partial response as above, containing both the response header *and* a trailer , that actually meant that I should fark off because I'm not a valid user. There is a BIG difference between a lookup failure, such as seen, vs a connection refused error. - Dan. When querying against 205.233.35.3 (which I've configured to not allow recursive queries from the test box, specifically for this test): dig @205.233.35.3 www.google.com ; DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 @205.233.35.3 www.google.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 43413 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; Query time: 59 msec ;; SERVER: 205.233.35.3#53(205.233.35.3) ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 6 00:44:15 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32 Like I said, some servers will just drop the queries on the floor. Others, like my powerdns server, in this case, does exactly the same thing that his provider's did for you (and me). dig @216.68.4.10 www.google.com ; DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 @216.68.4.10 www.google.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 19854 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; Query time: 113 msec ;; SERVER: 216.68.4.10#53(216.68.4.10) ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 6 00:47:46 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32 Only difference is that mine does SERVFAIL, where this one did REFUSED. We need him to do the query on a machine on his network, to eliminate us being outside of his provider's network as being the cause. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
DNS Crap with Safari
I was getting hangs lags when loading sites with Safari. It was suggested that I put OpenDNS addresses in my network settings to fix the problem. It worked. Problem with that, tho, is that every so often OpenDNS blocks all sorts of stuff. YouTube, Vimeo, PhotoBucket, Flickr, FaceBook, MySpace, PirateBay, anything with naked people. Taking out the OpenDNS addresses fixes that but now I am back to the hangs lags. Any ideas? thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
At 1:03 PM -0500 3/5/2011, M Christol wrote: I was getting hangs lags when loading sites with Safari. It was suggested that I put OpenDNS addresses in my network settings to fix the problem. It worked. Problem with that, tho, is that every so often OpenDNS blocks all sorts of stuff. YouTube, Vimeo PhotoBucket, Flickr, FaceBook, MySpace, PirateBay, anything with naked people. Taking out the OpenDNS addresses fixes that but now I am back to the hangs lags. Sounds like your ISP-assigned domain name servers are hurting. Notify them, so they can fix it! In the mean time, here are some alternatives: Google's public DNS is at 8.8.8.8. Then there's the big ones on Level 3's backbone, at 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2 (my favs). Note that using a 3rd party / non-local dns can be an issue for services like YouTube sometimes. That's because it blows the geo-location mechanisms, which normally would make the caching services hit you from more local farms instead of remote ones. You can test your dns by issuing some dig commands in Terminal. eg: dig www.google.com dig @208.67.220.220 www.google.com dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
On 3/5/11 11:03 AM, M Christol wrote: I was getting hangs lags when loading sites with Safari. It was suggested that I put OpenDNS addresses in my network settings to fix the problem. It worked. Problem with that, tho, is that every so often OpenDNS blocks all sorts of stuff. YouTube, Vimeo, PhotoBucket, Flickr, FaceBook, MySpace, PirateBay, anything with naked people. Taking out the OpenDNS addresses fixes that but now I am back to the hangs lags. Any ideas? You could try using either google (8.8.8.8) or Level3/Verizon's at 4.2.2.1/2/3/4... But using those means that content providers won't always delivery traffic to you from a nearby location... Looking at the headers, it seems you are on fuse.net? These are ones that may be appropriate for you to use: 216.68.1.100 216.68.2.100 216.68.4.10 216.68.5.10 But, lacking that, if your on a static IP, I could always open up one of my caching servers for querying. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
On 3/5/11 3:41 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: On 3/5/11 11:03 AM, M Christol wrote: I was getting hangs lags when loading sites with Safari. It was suggested that I put OpenDNS addresses in my network settings to fix the problem. It worked. Problem with that, tho, is that every so often OpenDNS blocks all sorts of stuff. YouTube, Vimeo, PhotoBucket, Flickr, FaceBook, MySpace, PirateBay, anything with naked people. Taking out the OpenDNS addresses fixes that but now I am back to the hangs lags. Any ideas? You could try using either google (8.8.8.8) or Level3/Verizon's at 4.2.2.1/2/3/4... But using those means that content providers won't always delivery traffic to you from a nearby location... Looking at the headers, it seems you are on fuse.net? These are ones that may be appropriate for you to use: 216.68.1.100 216.68.2.100 216.68.4.10 216.68.5.10 But, lacking that, if your on a static IP, I could always open up one of my caching servers for querying. Was / am using (per Fuse instructions) 216.68.4.10 216.68.5.10 This gets stalls but only in Safari. adding 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 cures stalls but gets the intermittent blockages. Will try Google. Not a static IP but it doesn't get changed too often. Just when I count on it. :-) thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
At 6:26 PM -0500 3/5/2011, M Christol wrote: Was / am using (per Fuse instructions) 216.68.4.10 Broken. ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 @216.68.4.10 www.google.com [snip] ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; Query time: 46 msec ;; SERVER: 216.68.4.10#53(216.68.4.10) ;; WHEN: Sat Mar 5 19:25:33 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32 Notice that there's no answer section above! Notify your ISP of this failure. Here's what it should look like: ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 @4.2.2.1 www.google.com [snip] ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 30555 IN CNAME www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com. 262 IN A 72.14.204.104 www.l.google.com. 262 IN A 72.14.204.147 www.l.google.com. 262 IN A 72.14.204.99 www.l.google.com. 262 IN A 72.14.204.103 ;; Query time: 41 msec ;; SERVER: 4.2.2.1#53(4.2.2.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Mar 5 19:25:25 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 116 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
On 3/5/11 5:28 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:26 PM -0500 3/5/2011, M Christol wrote: Was / am using (per Fuse instructions) 216.68.4.10 Broken. ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 @216.68.4.10 www.google.com [snip] ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; Query time: 46 msec ;; SERVER: 216.68.4.10#53(216.68.4.10) ;; WHEN: Sat Mar 5 19:25:33 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32 Notice that there's no answer section above! Notify your ISP of this failure. Except that if your not on a network that fuse considers 'trusted' for DNS queries your not going to get anything out of it. Name servers these days for caching tend to only actually answer requests made by networks run by the network owner. For example, try that query against 205.233.35.37 (one of my caching servers). Because your not on one of my networks, you'll not get an actual answer from it. Some server types will return REFUSED, others will return nothing at all. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DNS Crap with Safari
At 5:50 PM -0700 3/5/2011, Brielle Bruns wrote: On 3/5/11 5:28 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:26 PM -0500 3/5/2011, M Christol wrote: Was / am using (per Fuse instructions) 216.68.4.10 Broken. ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 @216.68.4.10 www.google.com [snip] ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; Query time: 46 msec ;; SERVER: 216.68.4.10#53(216.68.4.10) ;; WHEN: Sat Mar 5 19:25:33 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32 Notice that there's no answer section above! Notify your ISP of this failure. Except that if your not on a network that fuse considers 'trusted' for DNS queries your not going to get anything out of it. Name servers these days for caching tend to only actually answer requests made by networks run by the network owner. For example, try that query against 205.233.35.37 (one of my caching servers). Because your not on one of my networks, you'll not get an actual answer from it. Some server types will return REFUSED, others will return nothing at all. I have never seen a dns that gave a partial response as above, containing both the response header *and* a trailer , that actually meant that I should fark off because I'm not a valid user. There is a BIG difference between a lookup failure, such as seen, vs a connection refused error. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On 25/1/11 15:10, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Sounds like a possibility ... It has CI Software Support: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: Chipset Model: GeForce4 MX Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 64 MB Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID: 0x0171 Revision ID: 0x00a3 ROM Revision: 1091 Displays: CPD-G420S: Resolution: 1280 x 960 @ 85 Hz Depth: 32-Bit Color Core Image: Software Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Fallback option for unsupported computers Apple has provided a fallback option for computers without graphics cards supported by Core Image. You'll still be able to use Core Image but your CPU will do the work instead of the graphics card. This will obviously be slower than the GPU in most cases, however it's still functional with a few exceptions. One of these is that you won't see all the effects and eye candy you would if you had a supported graphics card (such as the Ripple effect when opening a Dashboard widget). The Ripple effect requires a programmable graphics card due to the nature of the effect, and although it could theoretically be rendered by the CPU, it would be so horribly slow that it wouldn't be worth it. Because of this Apple makes certain effects unavailable to the CPU fallback option. It seems 'software' CI is the fallback so it may be your problem. My particular problem occurred with CI off when viewing zmags with their viewer at the Netto supermarket site - white banding was apparent across the pages - so perhaps Safari calls on CI to render certain features. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
At 10:55 AM + 1/26/2011, pdimage wrote: It seems 'software' CI is the fallback so it may be your problem. My particular problem occurred with CI off when viewing zmags with their viewer at the Netto supermarket site - white banding was apparent across the pages - so perhaps Safari calls on CI to render certain features. Bill has sent me some screen shots, and I've had him try toggling Quartz, and try the WebKit Nightly. The artifacts are in the background tiled gradient in the Safari Top Sites window, but nowhere else. Toggling Quartz made no difference. Switching to WebKit made a big difference - the drawing errors are much worse. I'm testing a few things and putting together some notes. Going to submit it as a bug to WebKit. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On 25/1/11 07:20, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Well ... I tried Reset Safari to no avail, then tried disassembling my Mac, reseating all PCI cards (SATA and USB2) and memory after cleaning contacts. The streaking only appears regularly in Safari's Top Sites window. iTunes in Cover Flow doesn't show any issues. Don't know I have an old sawtooth with a GeForce 5200 256MB agp card installed (pins taped) which would not boot except in safe mode. The 5200 is CoreImage and QuartzExtreme capable but these features are disabled in safe mode resulting in some strange artifacts and banding in Safari on some web flash content. I cured the boot problem, restoring both features and the screen problems in Safari disappeared. Your problem may be that your card does not support CoreImage. System Profiler under graphics/displays will show whether CI - and Quartz - is supported. I think the minimum card required is agp (not pci) Geforce 5200 or later - or for ATI cards Radeon 9500 or later. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
At 2:20 AM -0500 1/25/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Dan wrote: At 12:52 PM -0500 1/23/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm using the latest Safari under 10.5.8. A Geforce 4MX video card in my Digital Audio Dual 533. I've begun getting errors in the background of Top Sites. Screen isn't fully black, containing streaks and such. Is it my video card / old Sony G420 CRT monitor / Safari? Haven't seen it anywhere else that I can remember. Could be that the top sites cache is corrupted. Try resetting the caches - select Reset Safari from the Safari menu and check the items to clear the top sites, the previews, and the cache. If that doesn't fix... When the artifacts appear, take a screen snapshot (cmd-shift-3) then view that picture. If the artifacts are in the picture then there's something foo on your Mac. If the artifacts aren't there, then they're being produced in the video card. Then perhaps try reseating the card? Clean the cable connectors? Well ... I tried Reset Safari to no avail, then tried disassembling my Mac, reseating all PCI cards (SATA and USB2) and memory after cleaning contacts. iTunes in Cover Flow doesn't show any issues. The streaking only appears regularly in Safari's Top Sites window. Please send me a screen snapshot showing the problem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On Jan 25, 2011, at 4:15 AM, pdimage wrote: I have an old sawtooth with a GeForce 5200 256MB agp card installed (pins taped) which would not boot except in safe mode. The 5200 is CoreImage and QuartzExtreme capable but these features are disabled in safe mode resulting in some strange artifacts and banding in Safari on some web flash content. I cured the boot problem, restoring both features and the screen problems in Safari disappeared. Your problem may be that your card does not support CoreImage. System Profiler under graphics/displays will show whether CI - and Quartz - is supported. I think the minimum card required is agp (not pci) Geforce 5200 or later - or for ATI cards Radeon 9500 or later. Sounds like a possibility ... It has CI Software Support: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: Chipset Model:GeForce4 MX Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 64 MB Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID:0x0171 Revision ID: 0x00a3 ROM Revision: 1091 Displays: CPD-G420S: Resolution: 1280 x 960 @ 85 Hz Depth:32-Bit Color Core Image: Software Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
At 12:52 PM -0500 1/23/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm using the latest Safari under 10.5.8. A Geforce 4MX video card in my Digital Audio Dual 533. I've begun getting errors in the background of Top Sites. Screen isn't fully black, containing streaks and such. Is it my video card / old Sony G420 CRT monitor / Safari? Haven't seen it anywhere else that I can remember. Could be that the top sites cache is corrupted. Try resetting the caches - select Reset Safari from the Safari menu and check the items to clear the top sites, the previews, and the cache. If that doesn't fix... When the artifacts appear, take a screen snapshot (cmd-shift-3) then view that picture. If the artifacts are in the picture then there's something foo on your Mac. If the artifacts aren't there, then they're being produced in the video card. Then perhaps try reseating the card? Clean the cable connectors? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Dan wrote: At 12:52 PM -0500 1/23/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm using the latest Safari under 10.5.8. A Geforce 4MX video card in my Digital Audio Dual 533. I've begun getting errors in the background of Top Sites. Screen isn't fully black, containing streaks and such. Is it my video card / old Sony G420 CRT monitor / Safari? Haven't seen it anywhere else that I can remember. Could be that the top sites cache is corrupted. Try resetting the caches - select Reset Safari from the Safari menu and check the items to clear the top sites, the previews, and the cache. If that doesn't fix... When the artifacts appear, take a screen snapshot (cmd-shift-3) then view that picture. If the artifacts are in the picture then there's something foo on your Mac. If the artifacts aren't there, then they're being produced in the video card. Then perhaps try reseating the card? Clean the cable connectors? Well ... I tried Reset Safari to no avail, then tried disassembling my Mac, reseating all PCI cards (SATA and USB2) and memory after cleaning contacts. The streaking only appears regularly in Safari's Top Sites window. iTunes in Cover Flow doesn't show any issues. Don't know. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Screen Redraw Errors / Artifacts in Safari
I'm using the latest Safari under 10.5.8. A Geforce 4MX video card in my Digital Audio Dual 533. I've begun getting errors in the background of Top Sites. Screen isn't fully black, containing streaks and such. Is it my video card / old Sony G420 CRT monitor / Safari? Haven't seen it anywhere else that I can remember. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari Crash
This is the part of the Crash Log that says what caused the crash. Problem is, I am in the dark to understand it Thread 5 Crashed: 0 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907c19cc CFArrayGetValueAtIndex + 56 1 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f985c4 _ExpireCacheEntries + 252 2 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f98144 _CreateLookup_NoLock + 292 3 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f97f60 CFHostStartInfoResolution + 84 4 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f97918 _ScheduleAndStartLookup + 304 5 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f97734 _SocketStreamStartLookupForOpen_NoLock + 604 6 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f97418 _SocketStreamOpen + 264 7 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907edc40 _CFStreamOpen + 116 8 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907edbb8 CFWriteStreamOpen + 148 9 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f972bc httpWrFilterOpen + 128 10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907edc40 _CFStreamOpen + 116 11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907edbb8 CFWriteStreamOpen + 148 12 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f97208 openConnectionStreams + 36 13 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f96b0c scheduleNewRequest + 160 14 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f965c0 _CFNetConnectionEnqueue + 240 15 com.apple.CFNetwork0x90f9646c httpStreamOpen + 48 16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907edc40 _CFStreamOpen + 116 17 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082b594 CFReadStreamOpen + 148 18 com.apple.Foundation 0x92c22d8c -[NSConnectionHTTPURLProtocol continueBeginLoadInBackgroundAfterCreatingHTTPRequest] + 272 19 com.apple.Foundation 0x92c1ff6c -[NSConnectionHTTPURLProtocol startOriginLoad] + 48 20 com.apple.Foundation 0x92c1fc28 -[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _performOriginLoad] + 328 21 com.apple.Foundation 0x92c1dcdc _resourceLoaderPerform + 224 22 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907df3b8 __CFRunLoopDoSources0 + 568 23 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907de830 __CFRunLoopRun + 452 24 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907de2b0 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268 25 com.apple.Foundation 0x92c1da3c +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 264 26 com.apple.Foundation 0x92bf64d8 forkThreadForFunction + 108 27 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002b908 _pthread_body + 96 Thread 5 crashed with PPC Thread State 64: srr0: 0x907c19cc srr1: 0x0200f030 vrsave: 0x cr: 0x42008228 xer: 0x0007 lr: 0x907c199c ctr: 0x907c1994 r0: 0x03104700 r1: 0xf0385ca0 r2: 0xa07bb278 r3: 0x r4: 0x0001 r5: 0xf0385db0 r6: 0x r7: 0x0006 r8: 0x0006 r9: 0x0010 r10: 0x2d301438 r11: 0xa0f925ac r12: 0x907c1994 r13: 0x r14: 0x0001 r15: 0x r16: 0x r17: 0x r18: 0x r19: 0xf0385db0 r20: 0xf0385d40 r21: 0xa0f984d0 r22: 0xa0f984d0 r23: 0xa0f94c48 r24: 0x r25: 0x2d2a1c50 r26: 0xf0385db0 r27: 0x0004 r28: 0x0001 r29: 0x r30: 0xf0385d40 r31: 0x907c199c -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari Crash
At 11:46 PM -0600 1/17/2011, Stephen Conrad wrote: This is the part of the Crash Log that says what caused the crash. Problem is, I am in the dark to understand it Thread 5 Crashed: 0 com.apple.CoreFoundation0x907c19cc CFArrayGetValueAtIndex + 56 1 com.apple.CFNetwork 0x90f985c4 _ExpireCacheEntries + 252 [snip] Probably something typical of Safari's awful cache management. Try clearing caches, etc. Crash logs contain a lot of information because sometimes you actually need to see that information to determine what happened. The snipped you provided is kindof like saying wow! Look at that Saturn V rocket launch! but then only providing a 4 pixel photograph. If you want assistance with stuff like this, you're going to need to make the full log available plus a brief description of your system. If you can't be bothered to set up something like Dropbox, so we can get a copy of the log, then use a service such as Pastebin http://pastebin.com/. Realize that while a service such as Dropbox is semi-private (only the people to whom you provide the url will ever find the file), services like Pastebin are totally public. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
At 5:36 PM -0800 1/12/2011, Tom wrote: All of which makes me wonder whether Leopard 10.5.8 really cares which version of Safari it runs, since version 3, 4, or 5, all seem to run fine with it. Or are the earlier versions a lit fuse and a ticking time bomb? The base OS X installation included the frameworks and Safari 3's app. When you update Safari, it will update those frameworks and give you the new Safari app. You *should* keep Safari up to date, just like every other browser. There are a lot of security vulnerabilities that were fixed in those frameworks, not only in WebKit but also in the ssl (https) stuff. However, being the daring, devil-may-care sort of fellow I am, the next thing I did was to run Software Update and bring Safari up to v.5 Good. So it's working ok now? Don't forget to update Flash too. You downgraded it when you did the whole-system reinstall. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
On Jan 11, 6:55 pm, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks for the help, Dan! It's 10.5.8 with all updates applied, and the misbehavior by Safari I alluded to (i.e. whenever I tried version 5) was simply a failure to launch-- blank window appears with the URL bar half filled, and there she stops, requiring a Quit. When that happened to me, it was not cured by re-installing. I trashed the prefs file, and it works fine, now. my $.02 V Mabus -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks to all who offered help with this. I seem to have things fixed now. What I did was drop back and punt; I got out the Leopard disk and did an Archive and Install, and after that I did the 10.5.8 combo update. At that point everything ran fine. I tested my new Safari and it worked great. My old Safari (original) icon was still sitting there in the Applications folder, right beside a new Safari app (or whatever it is's) icon, so I trashed the old one and flushed it away. The freshly installed Safari ran with no problems, and I was able to make aliases of it like normal too. Then it occurred to me to check what version of Safari was running, since I hadn't yet done any further Software Updates, and it turned out to be Safari 3.2.1. So here I had a freshly minted 10.5.8 happily running Safari 3---the same way it was running v.4 yesterday (my complaint was not how it ran, but the fact that I couldn't update it, rename it, or make any aliases of it). All of which makes me wonder whether Leopard 10.5.8 really cares which version of Safari it runs, since version 3, 4, or 5, all seem to run fine with it. Or are the earlier versions a lit fuse and a ticking time bomb? However, being the daring, devil-may-care sort of fellow I am, the next thing I did was to run Software Update and bring Safari up to v. 5, just because, as Bill Clinton says, I could. I say daring because, having run Macs since 1986, I know from sad experience that updating things when they're working fine, just because you can, is often a fool's errand and a mug's game. Many's the time I've updated something only to have the update break things and initiate a long, slow, and frustrating process of troubleshooting trying to get everything back in working order again--printers stop printing, scanners stop scanning, mail ceases to flow, plug-ins unplug, aliases disconnect, the parrot bites my finger, and sometimes I never do get everything running as well as it did before. In fact, whenever my wife sees me sitting in front of the computer ripping out tufts of my hair, punching holes in the wall, and heaping ashes on my head, she'll say, You've gone and updated something again, haven't you? As far as computers are concerned, my motto is the old Disney song Leave Well Enough Alone. But maybe I got away with it this time. Time will tell. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Just a suggestion as I am not familiar with Safari. Download a fresh version (4.0.5) of Safari. Perhaps you will get two versions of Safari after the downoald is finished. Try running the newer download. It it runs to your satisfaction, try to delete Safari (original). --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: From: Tom tba...@nmia.com Subject: Safari screw-up To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:32 PM A few months ago I downloaded an update to Safari and had some sort of trouble with it, so I went into Time Machine and got back the earlier version and continued to run it. When I had gone into Time Machine, it asked me whether I wanted to keep the newer version of Safari I had just downloaded, along with the older version I was retrieving, and I told it yes, just in case I could still get the trouble sorted out. So I ended up with two Safaris in my Applications folder: one named Safari, and the other, older one named Safari (original). Well, as it turned out, the only one of the two that would run without glitches was Safari (original), which is 4.0.5, so I threw the newer one away and have been running Safari (original) ever since. Today, Software Update once again suggested that I download the latest version of Sarfari, so I decided to give it another try. Upon relaunching, the new version jams. It gets halfway through the URL for the start page and just stops, so I have to quit it. Maybe the fact that my old version of Safari was named Safari (original) instead of just plain Safari had something to do with the update failing, I don't know. However, the Safari (original) 4.0.5 still launches and runs fine, so, once again, I threw away the newer version of Safari and just decided to keep running Safari (original). But I also decided that might be a good idea to change the app's name from Safari (original) back to just plain old Safari. However, the OS won't let me do it. When I click on the name and try to get rid of the word original, a box pops up saying that I don't have permission to do that. Under Get Info, it appears that I DO have permission to do that---anyone does, but it still won't let me do it. Another problem is that I can't make any aliases of Safari (original). I need to put some fresh aliases out on my desktops again (both monitors) for convenient launching, but now I can't make any. The menu choice under the File menu for Make Alias is grayed out. The attempted update apparently linked the old aliases to the trashed update, so they no longer launch Safari (original), so I have to make new ones. So, to sum up my problems, the OS won't allow me to change the name of the app back to Safari, nor will it allow me to make any aliases of it. Any ideas how I might solve these problems? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks, but I don't think you can download Safari 4 from Apple anymore, can you? The new version is 5. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks, but I don't think you can download Safari 4 from Apple anymore, can you? The new version is 5. Yes. TRASH ALL YOUR COPIES OF SAFARI, then download the CURRENT version Version 5.0.3 (5533.19.4) and install it. If it stalls again, then REINSTALL the 10.5.8 Combo Update. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks, but I don't think you can download Safari 4 from Apple anymore, can you? The new version is 5. I suppose I should also explain the cause of Safari screw-up. Since Safari is the native browser for OS X, it's slightly like Internet Explorer in that it's not a self contained application, but rather some components of Safari are installed into the SystemLibrary or the root level Library rather than being self-contained in the application bundle like most applications. This means that you can't have two different versions of Safari installed simultaneously because the System files are different and when you run the installer package it will overwrite whatever previous files were installed. The only case where this isn't true is for the nightly builds of Webkit Safari which are completely self-contained bundles that can run independently of what I'd call System Safari because it's somewhat integrated into the System files. If you're running Safari 4 in Leopard 10.5.8 you've screwed up some of your System files and reinstalling the latest Safari 5 should correct this problem. If it doesn't, you'd need to reinstall the 10.5.8 Combo Update. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Op 11-jan-2011, om 10:49 heeft Kris Tilford het volgende geschreven: On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks, but I don't think you can download Safari 4 from Apple anymore, can you? The new version is 5. Yes. TRASH ALL YOUR COPIES OF SAFARI, then download the CURRENT version Version 5.0.3 (5533.19.4) and install it. If it stalls again, then REINSTALL the 10.5.8 Combo Update. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Hi Tom, Safari 4 still has updates but you need to really search for them. I still use OS X Tiger which cannot run version 5. Then I would have to move to OS X Leopard (next predator :-))). I still have a seal wrapped box with a Leopard-DVD I bought on eBay. I'm still looking for a bargain G5 iMac, the sleek pedestal version with the extra small keyboard. Erik --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
At 11:32 PM -0800 1/10/2011, Tom wrote: [moved from below] Any ideas how I might solve these problems? Yea, quite a few. But in all your missive you didn't bother to say which OS you're using or even what the original problem was! We ain't got eyes inside your Mac. If you won't tell us what's going on then there's not that much we can offer other than sledgehammers as possible solutions. A few months ago I downloaded an update to Safari and had some sort of trouble with it, so I went into Time Machine and got back the earlier version and continued to run it. some sort of trouble. See above. Time Machinearg.I am honestly beginning to HATE Time Machine. It seems to fark more things than it fixes! Ok. My mood aside... Safari is NOT just an .app file. It uses a LOT of shared frameworks, that are strewn all over the OS. You CANNOT restore Safari simply by fetching a single piece of it. At this point, you've farked your system files and there's no telling how Time Machine updated your backup correspondingly... So, presented for your use is a Windows Solution -- REINSTALL. Step 0 -- Trash both versions of Safari.app you have. Empty the trash. Step 1 -- Remove all the odd InputManagers and Plug-ins you've installed. Step 2 -- Apply the current COMBO Update for your OS. Step 3 -- Run Software Update and let it install the latest Safari it offers. If you still have difficulties then provide more complete information here, so we can actually assist you instead of making wild-a** guesses. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Thanks for the help, Dan! It's 10.5.8 with all updates applied, and the misbehavior by Safari I alluded to (i.e. whenever I tried version 5) was simply a failure to launch-- blank window appears with the URL bar half filled, and there she stops, requiring a Quit. I always thought of Safari as an application, like Firefox, but it sounds like it's interwoven into the OS like one of those inoperable cancers with tentacles that reach throughout the organ. In that case, drastic surgery may well be in order, as you suggest: killing the patient (trashing all Safari-related items) and then trying to bring him back to life with an OS update or reinstall (sorry, it's just that image of a tumor . . .). The older version, Safari 4, is actually behaving all right, launches and runs fine, but not being able to rename it nor make any aliases for it just seems like a warning that something is rotten in Denmark. I had hoped there might be a quick and simple way to fix those things, if I only knew how, but I guess it was a vain hope. I appreciate the advice! Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
At 5:55 PM -0800 1/11/2011, Tom wrote: It's 10.5.8 with all updates applied Ok. In the future, please include a quick description of your hardware and the softwares involved.One or two lines. Without that fundamental information, all you're going to get are shot-in-the-dark incomplete guesses. and the misbehavior by Safari I alluded to (i.e. whenever I tried version 5) was simply a failure to launch-- blank window appears with the URL bar half filled, and there she stops, requiring a Quit. What InputManagers and Plug-ins have you installed? Glim, SafariStand, CosmoPod, SIMBL? You are describing exactly the interaction of those products with Safari 5. ...Apple publishes standard interface guidelines for a reason. Some developers ignore them, then end up looking like the idiots they are when their products break. Worse - they can't be bothered to participate in the beta cycle, so they miss the *months* of obvious opportunity to test their products! The first three must be removed and/or updated. SIMBL is, well, a long standing nightmare with big hoofs that just won't die. Rip it out and salt then burn its bits. I always thought of Safari as an application, like Firefox, but it sounds like it's interwoven into the OS like one of those inoperable cancers with tentacles that reach throughout the organ. No, not cancer. Simply a smart way of doing software development and delivery. Apple provides a lot of frameworks (shared libraries), both proprietary and open source, in OS X. All apps take advantage of those frameworks. Products like Firefox never include updates to those frameworks -- even if there are horrific bugs therein. They wait for Apple to do it. :\ Apple updates those frameworks as part of the normal system updates, security updates, and their product updates. Safari is under serious development both within and outside of Apple. It's 90% open source, which is being worked on *daily*. In order to get the fixes and features out to you as fast as possible, Apple bundles a lot of the frameworks with the Safari updates. And since they're built together, that means that Safari.app can use older frameworks but not the other way around! An older Safari.app wouldn't know how to talk to the newer frameworks! ...If you'd like to see a list of all the things an app talks to, use the lsof command in Terminal. That command puts out a massive list, so it's best to filter it for the specific app name. eg: lsof | grep Safari (just copy the above line as-is and paste it into Terminal.app. Then be patient, as it takes a few seconds to produce the output). The older version, Safari 4, is actually behaving all right, launches and runs fine, but not being able to rename it nor make any aliases for it just seems like a warning that something is rotten in Denmark. No, not rotten. Simply the normal file permissions. It is locked down to ensure that neither you nor a piece of malware can reach in and corrupt its internals. You can fark around with it if you do a Get Info then change the permissions to give yourself read+write access. Bad idea tho. Just don't do that. I think you mentioned wanting to make an alias for it on your desktop. You know you can just drag things onto your Dock, to put aliases there. For your desktop, there is a standard shortcut - well documented in Apple's help info... select the file and drag it to the destination folder while holding down the cmd and option keys. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari screw-up
A few months ago I downloaded an update to Safari and had some sort of trouble with it, so I went into Time Machine and got back the earlier version and continued to run it. When I had gone into Time Machine, it asked me whether I wanted to keep the newer version of Safari I had just downloaded, along with the older version I was retrieving, and I told it yes, just in case I could still get the trouble sorted out. So I ended up with two Safaris in my Applications folder: one named Safari, and the other, older one named Safari (original). Well, as it turned out, the only one of the two that would run without glitches was Safari (original), which is 4.0.5, so I threw the newer one away and have been running Safari (original) ever since. Today, Software Update once again suggested that I download the latest version of Sarfari, so I decided to give it another try. Upon relaunching, the new version jams. It gets halfway through the URL for the start page and just stops, so I have to quit it. Maybe the fact that my old version of Safari was named Safari (original) instead of just plain Safari had something to do with the update failing, I don't know. However, the Safari (original) 4.0.5 still launches and runs fine, so, once again, I threw away the newer version of Safari and just decided to keep running Safari (original). But I also decided that might be a good idea to change the app's name from Safari (original) back to just plain old Safari. However, the OS won't let me do it. When I click on the name and try to get rid of the word original, a box pops up saying that I don't have permission to do that. Under Get Info, it appears that I DO have permission to do that---anyone does, but it still won't let me do it. Another problem is that I can't make any aliases of Safari (original). I need to put some fresh aliases out on my desktops again (both monitors) for convenient launching, but now I can't make any. The menu choice under the File menu for Make Alias is grayed out. The attempted update apparently linked the old aliases to the trashed update, so they no longer launch Safari (original), so I have to make new ones. So, to sum up my problems, the OS won't allow me to change the name of the app back to Safari, nor will it allow me to make any aliases of it. Any ideas how I might solve these problems? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: importing browsing history in safari?
At 5:05 PM -0800 1/4/2011, ah...clem wrote: was able to import all of my bookmarks from the old library files. but i can't find a way to import the old browsing history. anyone know of a way to do that? hum. Importing bookmarks makes sense. Why would you want to import history? History is... old. stale. the thing that law enforcement uses to nail you. the giant list that slows browsers down! what exactly is the name of the file where the browsing history is stored? Look in ~/Library/Safari/ for these files: HistoryIndex.sk History.plist can i manually merge my recent history after the clean install with the old history from before the clean install? This is going to be painful. Move those files aside, put the old files in their places. Launch Safari. View History. Drag what you want into your bookmarks. Quit Safari. Dump those history files and restore the ones you moved aside. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: importing browsing history in safari?
On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:05 PM -0800 1/4/2011, ah...clem wrote: was able to import all of my bookmarks from the old library files. but i can't find a way to import the old browsing history. anyone know of a way to do that? hum. Importing bookmarks makes sense. Why would you want to import history? History is... old. stale. the thing that law enforcement uses to nail you. the giant list that slows browsers down! I went looking for migration instructions for Safari just recently also. History is old, true, but it's also a great time saver for accessing websites by just typing the first letters into Safari's address window. As for getting nailed for illegal activities through a search of your history, you can manually delete those troubling URLs by searching your history collection. Having a deep history collection is also an interesting way to refresh my memory and review search logic. Dale Hoffman Louisville, KY -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: importing browsing history in safari?
At 12:44 PM -0600 1/5/2011, Jason Brown wrote: Hi my name is Agent Lynch. We have reason to suspect illegal activities are taking place on your computer. Please ship your computer for inspection to... :P LOL Every time I see them boot a suspect's computer on a cop show, my head tries to explode. In particular I go into convulsions on the cases that just cannot be solved until the suspect coughs up a password, so the cops can login. I worry that the real cops actually do this... Enjoyed the use of a hackintosh in a recent rerun episode of The Closer, however. Damned good coffee. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
importing browsing history in safari?
hey all, - after some HD craziness, i purged all safari files from the library and did a clean install of safari 4.1.3 (under X.4.11), and i was able to import all of my bookmarks from the old library files. but i can't find a way to import the old browsing history. anyone know of a way to do that? what exactly is the name of the file where the browsing history is stored? can i manually merge my recent history after the clean install with the old history from before the clean install? i hope someone can advise before i start wading thru all of the old deleted folders and files on my own. TFR and TIA for helpful replies. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari
4.1.2 is for Tiger 5.0.2 is for Leopard Snow Leopard Downloading 5.0.2 at this time. [Damn dial-up --- going to take a while.] Chuck D. On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: The newest version, 4.1.2, is out. Downloading it now so no idea what is changed -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari
The newest version, 4.1.2, is out. Downloading it now so no idea what is changed -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
At 7:26 PM -0600 8/11/2010, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 2:09 pm -0400 7/17/10, Dan wrote: At 2:35 PM -0700 7/16/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: You appear to be running both SafariBlock and ClicktoFlash? Turn off or uninstall SafariBlock. SafariBlock and ClickToFlash work well with each other. SafariBlock clobbers by URL string. ClickToFlash gets control if Flash content is involved that wasn't blocked by SafariBlock. You know I still don't get it. What about Pith Helmet? Same idea, but it costs $10 instead of being free. Perhaps a better interface; SafariBlock is kindof crude. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
At 11:48 PM -0500 8/11/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: Update ClickToFlash to 1.6b9. I've had problems with the 1.5.x line in Safari 4.1/5. It says I have 1.5.4 and am Up To Date Ok. Let's get serious here. I did not suggest updating for the hell of it. 1.5.4 is NOT up to date. The current release is 1.5.5. And frankly, I said to update to 1.6b9 for a REASON. 1.5.x line is OLD. It predates the release of Safari 4.1/5. There are KNOWN CRASH BUGS in the 1.5.x line that are fixed in the 1.6 betas. Furthermore, the current beta, 1.6b9 is STABLE. http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ Update Flash. Not even going into that rant. I did last time it asked me to It? Flash has NO reliable update notifier/mechanism. It's crap - and crashy. Flash was AGAIN updated a few days ago. Get 10.1.82.76. Install it. http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
Previously, at 2:09 pm -0400 7/17/10, Dan wrote: At 2:35 PM -0700 7/16/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: You appear to be running both SafariBlock and ClicktoFlash? Turn off or uninstall SafariBlock. SafariBlock and ClickToFlash work well with each other. SafariBlock clobbers by URL string. ClickToFlash gets control if Flash content is involved that wasn't blocked by SafariBlock. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. You know I still don't get it. What about Pith Helmet? p. -- What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death. -- Dave Barr -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:43 PM -0500 7/16/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) Mac? Memory? Free space on your HD? etc... Comeon, you know the drill. Quicksilver 1.5 GB Over 100 GB (usually in the 103 GB range) 2010-07-08 16:57:28.177 Safari[210] SafariBlock checking for updates. FWIW, I find it's best to tell SafariBlock to not check for updates. The few that have been released are a bit iffy, and the filter updates sometimes contain errors will totally disable surfing! OK, I did this HD went foo? HD is fine (I checked) What was on the page that crashed? URL? I have multiple tabs open so no idea which one does it Pull CosmoPod and see if the crash still occurs. Update ClickToFlash to 1.6b9. I've had problems with the 1.5.x line in Safari 4.1/5. It says I have 1.5.4 and am Up To Date Update Flash. Not even going into that rant. I did last time it asked me to What version of Growl.prefsPane do you have installed? No idea but someone said earlier I had 1.2.1 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
At 2:35 PM -0700 7/16/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: You appear to be running both SafariBlock and ClicktoFlash? Turn off or uninstall SafariBlock. SafariBlock and ClickToFlash work well with each other. SafariBlock clobbers by URL string. ClickToFlash gets control if Flash content is involved that wasn't blocked by SafariBlock. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Here is what Console says And for he record I have Click To Flash Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) 2010-07-08 16:56:18 -0500 2010-07-08 16:56:19.068 SystemUIServer[190] lang is:en Jul 8 16:56:32 steve-cs-power-mac-g4 diskarbitrationd[37]: SystemUIServer [190]:35343 not responding. Jul 8 16:56:41 steve-cs-power-mac-g4 diskarbitrationd[37]: unable to mount /dev/disk6s1 (status code 0x0047). 2010-07-08 16:57:05.808 Safari[210] Loading CosmoPod and performing license key validation... ... Stop It. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: 2010-07-14 23:56:45.065 Safari[1852] SafariBlock checking for updates. Debugger() was called! 2010-07-15 17:14:18.174 Safari[2006] Loading CosmoPod and performing license key validation... 2010-07-15 17:14:25.834 Safari[2006] Warning: Instances of type NSURLConnection do not respond to _initWithRequest:delegate:usesCache:maxContentLength:startImmediately: 2010-07-15 17:14:25.834 Safari[2006] Error: couldn't find any compatible flash classes, flash will not work. 2010-07-15 17:14:25.963 Safari[2006] SafariBlock checking for updates. Debugger() was called! You appear to be running both SafariBlock and ClicktoFlash? Turn off or uninstall SafariBlock. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari crashing
On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) 0xc000 - 0xc000bfff com.growl.growlframework 1.2.1 /Library/ InputManagers/CosmoPod/CosmoPod.bundle/Contents/Frameworks/ Growl.framework/Versions/A/Growl You're using the WRONG version Growl, which is probably causing the crash. The final version of Growl for Tiger 10.4.11 was version 1.1.6 and you're using version 1.2.1 which is for Leopard Snow Leopard only. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
Stink, I can increment backup the source, but not the destination so I can't do what I wanted to anyway... :-( Jeff earlier. We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
At 11:48 AM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? You're talking about picking things out of ~/Library/Application Support/, ~/Library/Preferences, ~/Library/appname, and perhaps other places ... And worse, this issue would have to be revisited *every time* those apps were updated. I guess you could just grab all of ~/Library. But that won't follow aliases etc. IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:48 AM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? You're talking about picking things out of ~/Library/Application Support/, ~/Library/Preferences, ~/Library/appname, and perhaps other places ... And worse, this issue would have to be revisited *every time* those apps were updated. I guess you could just grab all of ~/Library. But that won't follow aliases etc. IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... - Dan. How do I tell CCC to ignore library caches?? looking for that box to uncheck? can't find it. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
At 12:16 PM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... How do I tell CCC to ignore library caches?? looking for that box to uncheck? can't find it. Select the source. Hit the gear pop-up to the right of that, and pick Edit Filters. Click Show Avanced Options Then add an entry to the Custom Rules list. Change the field it creates to be exactly - Library/Caches Note the - sign. That means exclude. Leave off the initial /. That way it will match both /Library/Caches and /Users/jeff/Library/Caches etc. If you hit the ? button in that dialog, it will display instructions. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari 4.1
Interestingyou can level up in Mafia Wars (Facebook) with no problem but if you do it in Vampire Wars (Facebook) it freezes up and you get Application Not Responding. Any reason for this? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1
At 8:27 PM -0500 6/15/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: Interestingyou can level up in Mafia Wars (Facebook) with no problem but if you do it in Vampire Wars (Facebook) it freezes up and you get Application Not Responding. Any reason for this? While enamored with Tony Soprano, Safari perhaps doesn't like things that suck. Try that latest WebKit Nightly. If it still hangs, then follow the directions on the webkit site for filing bug reports. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 and 5.0
I had problems with 4.0.5 in the past and switched to Camino, with almost no regrets. (I can't open a new tab by Cmd-clicking the Back button anymore.) Now I updated to 4.1, and it crashed right away. To be exact: after download, it wanted to restart the Mac, so I did that. On every startup, I have a script starting Mail and getting messages. Then I opened Safari 4.1: crash. Clicked Open Again: crashed again. I sent a report to Apple. Then I opened it again: crash. Clicked Open Again: crashed again. Clicked: Restart with default settings: crash. I gave up and am using Camino happily ever after... still bugging me a bit: is my system OK? So, if someone thinks what could be the matter/fix, please let me know! (using Digital Audio 466, 10.4.11) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 and 5.0
At 8:10 AM -0700 6/12/2010, Geke wrote: (using Digital Audio 466, 10.4.11) Now I updated to 4.1, and it crashed right away. To be exact: after download, it wanted to restart the Mac, so I did that. It wanted to reboot after downloading or after installing? On every startup, I have a script starting Mail and getting messages. Then I opened Safari 4.1: crash. Does it crash immediately or while loading your home page or ? Try Safari from a different/clean/new user account. Safari 4.1/5 is very twitchy wrt 3rd party InputManagers and Internet Plug-ins. People have reported problems with CosmoPod, SafariStand, SIMBL, etc. So try moving those items aside... Please zip up that crash log and email it to me directly. I'll take a look. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 Problem
On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: In my opinion an AR (archive reinstall) isn't the most efficient way to solve a System that won't boot. Assuming the System won't safe boot, in my opinion, the most efficient way is to boot from an alternate source such as an external HD, or another Mac using Target Disk mode to mount the HD on the problem Mac, and then reinstall the latest Combo Update targeting the unbootable System. This requires having either an external bootable OS X drive laying about, or another PPC Mac I can take out of service to do this. Having neither, I opted for the AR. It takes longer, but I can ignore it 99% of the time. I know that this mac has always been 100% stock, so the AR is the way to go. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 Problem
On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Her system is just fine after doing an AR. In my opinion an AR (archive reinstall) isn't the most efficient way to solve a System that won't boot. Assuming the System won't safe boot, in my opinion, the most efficient way is to boot from an alternate source such as an external HD, or another Mac using Target Disk mode to mount the HD on the problem Mac, and then reinstall the latest Combo Update targeting the unbootable System. The advantage of this is that any 3rd-party System extensions are retained in the hopefully fixed System, whereas with the AR you've got basically a clean System with your old accounts. This means you need to go into the old archived System folder and transfer anything that's not present in the new System folder; or reinstall all third-party software, a real pain in my opinion. I reserve AR as a last resort fix, and always try reinstalling the Combo Update first. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari 4.1 Problem
I upgraded my Quicksilver 733 OSX 10.4.11 to Safari 4.1 a couple of days ago, installed it, and it will not load a page. I get a little bit of a blue bar in the address URL window, but nothing even begins to load. I can't find anything on the Apple website to address this problem, can't find a copy of 4.0.3 to load and there are no updates to address this problem. Does anyone know a fix for this? Thanks Fred -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 Problem
On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Fred Thiel wrote: I upgraded my Quicksilver 733 OSX 10.4.11 to Safari 4.1 a couple of days ago, installed it, and it will not load a page. I get a little bit of a blue bar in the address URL window, but nothing even begins to load. I can't find anything on the Apple website to address this problem, can't find a copy of 4.0.3 to load and there are no updates to address this problem. Does anyone know a fix for this? I updates my 10.5 laptop last night to Safari 5 (4.1 is the same update, but for Tiger) and is doing the exact same thing. Nothing in the log, the Activity window shows nothing, Safari is just sitting there not using any CPU. Nada, it just flat doesn't work. Cleared cache, cleared history, etc still no go. I haven't removed ClickToFlash, but it's working just fine on my Intel Mac with CTF installed. Firefox works on the system, so it's not a networking issue. Someone here came in with her G5 iMac not booting at all after running that update. I'm just finishing up with the latest updates (including Safari 5, she's using 10.5), and I'll see what happens. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1 Problem
I've now had a dozen Flash crashes in Safari 4.1. Pulling ClickToFlash and SafariBlock didn't change things. Upgraded from Flash 10.1.53.60 to 10.1.53.64 -- the former being last week's final beta, and the later is today's official release. So far so good... FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
