Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
ednsue wrote: > > Tapadh leat a Sheònag, > > Is it "usual" for the "i" to change to "e" and to be followed by "i"? Or > are there different patterns that just need to be memorized and I'm just > **hoping** to simplify things here? > > Example: > Calean becomes a Chalein... > Micheal becomes a Mhicheil... > > Siu\saidh Hallo A' Shiu\saidh, This is a general pattern, but there are a few names that can trip you up - Watch out for names like Coinneach (kenneth). You might think that the vocative would be A' Choinneich', but it is in fact, 'A' Coinnich". That's why I prefer just to memorize certain anomalies - it makes life easier ;-) le deogh dhu\rachdan Seo\nag "Tìr gun chànan, tìr gun anam." The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
Tapadh leibh a Sheònag 's Eideird... Bha ur freagairtean feumail gu leo\r. Siu\saidh The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
A Sheòna 's a h-uile duine, Gabhaibh mo leisgeul airson an email mu dheireadh bhuam...chan 'eil e a' de\anamh ciall, tha mi a smaoineachadh. Excuse me for the last email from me...it didn't make sense, I think. What I was thinking was clear in my mind and I thought it was clear when I typed it, but something was short-circuited, and now I can't even remember what I thought was clear...I'm not even sure that sentence made sense... So...please...disregard the last message re: vocative... Tapadh leibh... Siu\saidh -- >From: "ednsue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative? >Date: Thu, Apr 5, 2001, 4:07 PM > >Tapadh leat a Sheònag, > >Is it "usual" for the "i" to change to "e" and to be followed by "i"? Or >are there different patterns that just need to be memorized and I'm just >**hoping** to simplify things here? > >Example: >Calean becomes a Chalein... >Micheal becomes a Mhicheil... > >Siu\saidh >-- >>From: Janice Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative? >>Date: Thu, Apr 5, 2001, 2:47 PM >> > >>ednsue wrote: >>> >>> Hallo a rithist, >>> Tha ceist bheag agam, mar is a\bhaist. >>> I have a small question, as always. >>> >>> What is the vocative for Niall? >>> >>> Are there any "rules" governing names such as this, or is it just learn >>them one by one...??? >>> >>> Tapadh leibh... >>> >>> Siu\saidh >>> The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - >> >>A Shiu\saidh cho\ir, >> >>The vocotive of Niall is Ne\ill. It's the same as the genitive, if that helps. >> >>There are some irregular vocotives that you just have to memorise I >>think - unless someone else knows of a list somewhere? >> >>le meas >> >>Seònag >>-- >>"Tìr gun chànan, tìr gun anam." >>The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - >> >The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - > The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
Tapadh leat a Sheònag, Is it "usual" for the "i" to change to "e" and to be followed by "i"? Or are there different patterns that just need to be memorized and I'm just **hoping** to simplify things here? Example: Calean becomes a Chalein... Micheal becomes a Mhicheil... Siu\saidh -- >From: Janice Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative? >Date: Thu, Apr 5, 2001, 2:47 PM > >ednsue wrote: >> >> Hallo a rithist, >> Tha ceist bheag agam, mar is a\bhaist. >> I have a small question, as always. >> >> What is the vocative for Niall? >> >> Are there any "rules" governing names such as this, or is it just learn >them one by one...??? >> >> Tapadh leibh... >> >> Siu\saidh >> The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - > >A Shiu\saidh cho\ir, > >The vocotive of Niall is Ne\ill. It's the same as the genitive, if that helps. > >There are some irregular vocotives that you just have to memorise I >think - unless someone else knows of a list somewhere? > >le meas > >Seònag >-- >"Tìr gun chànan, tìr gun anam." >The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - > The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
Hallo a Shiu\saidh, Sgri\obh thu: >Hallo a rithist, >Tha ceist bheag agam, mar is a\bhaist. >I have a small question, as always. > >What is the vocative for Niall? > >Are there any "rules" governing names such as this, or is it just learn >them one by one...??? The vocative is covered in most texts, but if you have Cothrom Ionnsachaidh by Ronald Black, refer to pages 20 and 65,66. The rule with men's names is that in addition to leniting the first letter (unless it's a vowel or some letter that isn't normally lenited, such as "n" or "r") you have to slenderize the last vowel. In the case of Niall, if you slenderize it you would have two "i"s together, Niill, which doesn't make sense, so you replace the first "i" with an "e", giving Ne\ill. Black also gives lists of names in Nom. and Voc. on these pages, and there are enough examples that you can probably figure out names that don't appear on the lists. Deagh-fhortan dhut, Eideard P.S. See also TYG (MacKinnon) p.171, TYG (Robertson and Taylor) pp. 15,76,101, and SGin3 p.33 The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
Re: [gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
ednsue wrote: > > Hallo a rithist, > Tha ceist bheag agam, mar is a\bhaist. > I have a small question, as always. > > What is the vocative for Niall? > > Are there any "rules" governing names such as this, or is it just learn them one by >one...??? > > Tapadh leibh... > > Siu\saidh > The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives - A Shiu\saidh cho\ir, The vocotive of Niall is Ne\ill. It's the same as the genitive, if that helps. There are some irregular vocotives that you just have to memorise I think - unless someone else knows of a list somewhere? le meas Seònag -- "Tìr gun chànan, tìr gun anam." The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
[gaidhlig-gu-leor] vocative?
Hallo a rithist, Tha ceist bheag agam, mar is a\bhaist. I have a small question, as always. What is the vocative for Niall? Are there any "rules" governing names such as this, or is it just learn them one by one...??? Tapadh leibh... Siu\saidh The Nova Scotia Scottish Gaelic Learner's List - Archives -
