Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
Dimitur Kirov schrieb: >>> There is one big problem. You cannot change your personal details >>> until you are connected to the server. At the same time, pure >>> account settings are kept locally and thus they don't need publish >>> and retrieve. How do you suggest to bypass these differences? > > Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In case the user is disconnected either >> - in the avatar tabs a text informs the user to connect first > One and the same text, appearing in three tabs is not a good idea. > >> - or the avatar tabs itself are disabled that they can not accessed. >> When pointing the mouse over the disabled tabs a tooltip could inform >> that the user has to connect first. > I don't think it is possible to have a tooltip on disabled widgets. > > on 06/10/10 Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This would result in a consistent account dialog with tabs for >> account, general, connection, OpenPGP, personal details, work, about. > Consistency is also broken if this dialog behaves differently with > connected and disconnected accounts, or while waiting for personal > settings to come from server. There are three situations: As you said, if Gajim would cache the vcard the usability should be consistent: > * disconnected from server > First three tabs are editable, the other three tabs (or the controls in them) > are insensitive and won't become sensitive until Gajim connects to server. the cached vcard information is displayed. Either a "refresh" button might allow to fetch more up to date vcard from the server or this is done automatically e.g. at each connect. > * connected to server, but waiting for vcard to arrive > First three tabs are editable, the other three are temporally disabled, but > they'll be editable soon. This requires progressbar, but user should now that > this progressbar concerns only the last three tabs. I don't know why vcard is > loaded from server (instead of just loading cached vcard) before edition, but > there should be a reason for that. This should not happen as long as the vcard was fetched at least once, which might probably done at first time of configuring the Jabber account. > * connected to server and vcard has arrived. > This is fine so far. However imagine that personal details cannot be > published due to lack of server abilities, or because user get disconnected > before vcard is fully uploaded - very rare, yet still possible to happen. > Then Gajim will display error dialog that operation is not completed. This is > confusing since local changes will take effect and changes from the last > three tabs will be ignored. Also imagine that we cannot save our account > settings because of not enough free space on disc - very rare, but user will > get confused of what is happening. If the user changed his vcard, pressed the save/ok/upload button a message "saving your information on the server" with a progress bar should appear. If the server is unavailable the message is replaced by an error message allowing to retry or cancel. > > Regards, > Kirov > > ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
> > > There is one big problem. You cannot change your personal details > > until you are connected to the server. At the same time, pure > > account settings are kept locally and thus they don't need publish > > and retrieve. How do you suggest to bypass these differences? > Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case the user is disconnected either > - in the avatar tabs a text informs the user to connect first One and the same text, appearing in three tabs is not a good idea. > - or the avatar tabs itself are disabled that they can not accessed. > When pointing the mouse over the disabled tabs a tooltip could inform > that the user has to connect first. I don't think it is possible to have a tooltip on disabled widgets. on 06/10/10 Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This would result in a consistent account dialog with tabs for > account, general, connection, OpenPGP, personal details, work, about. Consistency is also broken if this dialog behaves differently with connected and disconnected accounts, or while waiting for personal settings to come from server. There are three situations: * disconnected from server First three tabs are editable, the other three tabs (or the controls in them) are insensitive and won't become sensitive until Gajim connects to server. * connected to server, but waiting for vcard to arrive First three tabs are editable, the other three are temporally disabled, but they'll be editable soon. This requires progressbar, but user should now that this progressbar concerns only the last three tabs. I don't know why vcard is loaded from server (instead of just loading cached vcard) before edition, but there should be a reason for that. * connected to server and vcard has arrived. This is fine so far. However imagine that personal details cannot be published due to lack of server abilities, or because user get disconnected before vcard is fully uploaded - very rare, yet still possible to happen. Then Gajim will display error dialog that operation is not completed. This is confusing since local changes will take effect and changes from the last three tabs will be ignored. Also imagine that we cannot save our account settings because of not enough free space on disc - very rare, but user will get confused of what is happening. Regards, Kirov ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
Dimitur Kirov schrieb: > Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I attached a mockup to make clear what I suggest. Hope it goes through >> the mailing list. >> > +1 > > These two tabs [Personal Information] [Personal Info] are a bit > obscure. Maybe move Open PGP key to Account, or General tab and remove > [Personal Information] tab? agree > There is one big problem. You cannot change your personal details until you > are connected to the server. At the same time, pure account settings are kept > locally and thus they don't need publish and retrieve. How do you suggest to > bypass these differences? In case the user is disconnected either - in the avatar tabs a text informs the user to connect first - or the avatar tabs itself are disabled that they can not accessed. When pointing the mouse over the disabled tabs a tooltip could inform that the user has to connect first. ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
I attached a mockup to make clear what I suggest. Hope it goes through the mailing list. Nikos Kouremenos schrieb: > On 10/10/06, Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now the dialog for Avatar information can be accessed through two >> different ways (names can vary because I translated it from my German >> installation): >> (1) menu->accounts->tab personal information->button edit personal >> details >> (2) menu->profile,Avatar->specific account >> >> I would suggest to understand avatar information as part of a particular >> account. Therefore it would be easier to use and to understand to drop >> path (2) and change path (1) to menu->accounts->tabs with personal >> information. > I don't understand the new path you propose. > > also it's clear with way (2) that avatar is account specific. and (2) > is more like a shortcut. > >> This would result in a consistent account dialog with tabs >> for account, general, connection, OpenPGP, personal details, work, >> about. The button which is required now to be pressed separates the >> avatar information from the account which does not make any sense to me >> (concept) and requires an additional click by the user (usability). >> (note: To drop the upload and fetch button of personal information was >> agreed in a discussion on this list before.) What do you think about >> this? > If noone ticketed it, then you should. Ticketing is the way for a > request or bug report not to be forgotten. > > ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
Markus Lutzer wrote: > Now the dialog for Avatar information can be accessed through two > different ways (names can vary because I translated it from my German > installation): > (1) menu->accounts->tab personal information->button edit personal details > (2) menu->profile,Avatar->specific account > > I would suggest to understand avatar information as part of a particular > account. Therefore it would be easier to use and to understand to drop > path (2) and change path (1) to menu->accounts->tabs with personal > information. This would result in a consistent account dialog with tabs > for account, general, connection, OpenPGP, personal details, work, > about. The button which is required now to be pressed separates the > avatar information from the account which does not make any sense to me > (concept) and requires an additional click by the user (usability). > (note: To drop the upload and fetch button of personal information was > agreed in a discussion on this list before.) What do you think about this? not sure it's a so nice idea. accounts dialog holds information to connect to the account, info windows contains information IN the account. The first is saved by gajim, the second by server. -- Yann ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] suggestion for Avatar dialog
On 10/10/06, Markus Lutzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now the dialog for Avatar information can be accessed through two > different ways (names can vary because I translated it from my German > installation): > (1) menu->accounts->tab personal information->button edit personal details > (2) menu->profile,Avatar->specific account > > I would suggest to understand avatar information as part of a particular > account. Therefore it would be easier to use and to understand to drop > path (2) and change path (1) to menu->accounts->tabs with personal > information. I don't understand the new path you propose. also it's clear with way (2) that avatar is account specific. and (2) is more like a shortcut. > This would result in a consistent account dialog with tabs > for account, general, connection, OpenPGP, personal details, work, > about. The button which is required now to be pressed separates the > avatar information from the account which does not make any sense to me > (concept) and requires an additional click by the user (usability). > (note: To drop the upload and fetch button of personal information was > agreed in a discussion on this list before.) What do you think about this? If noone ticketed it, then you should. Ticketing is the way for a request or bug report not to be forgotten. ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
