I also aggree, I would give justin a chance, as long as he didn't do it again.
now if he did do it then there would be a problem unless his stuff
was good enough that I would put up with whatever badness he had
after all we are only human.
In fact I think justin is getting treated quite well
I think it would be good in general if devs in general followed
aprone and included people in game development on a wider community level.
I realise this is not smooth sailing, you will be open to the flack,
the whiners complainers and flamers.
but also the good people, that is what swamp
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- Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM
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The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get
hmmm now where idd that quote come from raul sounds familiar.
At 06:34 AM 4/24/2013, you wrote:
Hi, I don't think he's in it for the profits. But one will believe
what one thinks is right of course. No matter how much this horse is
beat to death, no one will come to a complete agreement for
I agree Michael.
This was my problem all along, not that justin wasn't! giving his games
away, but that he would make them unobtainable. Heck, i wouldn't mind too
much if he continued to sell the keygenerator and other software, even on
request, just so long as it were available to posterity.
Is this the company that made troopanum? That was the first, and most
memorable audio game I played. I had the Demos of like all his games
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
well he really has shot himself in the foot by doing this.
I
This attitude, which I've seen repeatedly in these threads, has
convinced me as a developer to use always-on DRM for every product I
release.
Dennis Towne
Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com
On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
well he really has shot
Seriously? I mean really?! ;)
While I personally may not agree with the way this is going down so far, it's
statements like these which really amaze me!
Regardless of what you, I or anyone else think of how someone chooses to run
their company (or what's left of it) it's their business. They
Well, I have seen some pretty good free games.
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The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good
graces is to make the next few games free and really good.
Two show their apology by making their old
and dumping on your customers like james north did is a very very
good way to lose friends. He hated it when I kept finding show
stoppers, that's geek speak for bugs that crash the software.
At 02:34 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
I aggree with you there tom, I suspect that he was on verge of
Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based
registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere
else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's, screwing their
users over, by forcing them to buy a new version, simply for use on
another machine. that's
well it depends on the dev.
mr-y
and gma will just give you codes.
At 09:09 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based
registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere
else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's,
Hi Tom.
I do agree on that score, and were justin to come back and start
developement i would give him the reasonable bennifit of the doubt, heck,
I've always found bsc very good with key replacements and the like in the
past, and if we! were to miss out on any future work he does, we'd! be
Hi Michael.
i disagree about making free games. charging for a game is not! a put down,
since developers do need to perchice their sounds and music. What a company
like bavisoft would need would be good customer service, talking to their
customers, and obviously to have a good game to sell
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The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back
demand it
or expect it.
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The only way
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Hello
Thank you for telling us that info. That realy does stink, but I
know that the other developers will do great like they have been, and there
are still up coming developers to that can learn from this, and make there
owne mark in the gaming world.
Bfn
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Very well put, but people will do that anyway no matter the price.
The only thing that stinks is that I don't get all that much a month and all
my money gos to rent and my wife olny works a parttime job right now, and we
have 2 kids to wary about to. So I don't think that I'll be
Hi, I don't think he's in it for the profits. But one will believe what
one thinks is right of course. No matter how much this horse is beat to
death, no one will come to a complete agreement for that is the nature
of man. Oh, and to be politically correct, of woman too.
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Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free.
All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would
be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want
purchasers for their products.
Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and
Hi, if you are referring to BSC games and free games, they did in fact
have a couple of free games out there. So, I fail to see the point of
your message.
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a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper
Lets be clear about things here folks. I think there's danger of a
mix-up here. A developer who creates free games is being generous.
We're not entitled to them. They're gifts to the community. The real
issue currently under scrutiny is whether it's fare of developers to
simply remove their games
there is two programs that juston had on his site and i have them both one
is talking clock and the other one is day by day both are great programs.
your friend lee
In a message dated 4/23/2013 2:38:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Yes, I agree that a
I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my
observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage
piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new
computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the
Thanks for letting us know, Tom. It's a shame that these will be lost, but
I'm looking forward to what's coming in the future. We won't have a
shortage, that's for sure.
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That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by
justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down.
If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the
bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and
I do not like to criticise someone's lack for humanity, but I personally
do not believe in copyright, yet I have to abide with it because our
government chose to. Perhaps someone in another country could take over
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From: dark
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:22 PM
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That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by
justin which will deny his work to everyone after he
We can't since he wants to maintain intelectual copyright and whatnot.
But thou must!
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:24 PM
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I do not like
Hi Bryan,
Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't
committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our
audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into
piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more
game developers
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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:33 AM
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Hi Bryan,
Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't
committing piracy intentionally
Discussion list
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Hi Bryan,
Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't
committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our
audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into
piracy central
Hello Thomas and list. This is a very shocking news to hear.
this means that new users will not be able to play the bsc games if they
want to.
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:23 PM
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Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement
Hi Alfredo,
Doubt it. Copyright law is pretty much universal and most countries
support each other on the issue of intellectual copyrights. Those that
don't are looked down upon by the greater business community, and even
if someone did take over the project illegally we would have to
support
Hi Sky,
That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the $75
pack he is selling up until May 15 after that the games and software
from Blindsoftware.com will no longer be available via legal means. Of
course, I suspect before spring has ended pirated copies will be all
over the
Very well said, Dark. You pretty much took the words out of my mouth
on all points. If you're abandoning your company, your games, all your
hard work, the least you should do is allow that legacy to be passed
on so that future gamers could enjoy what were, frankly, some of the
building blocks of
Hi Dark and all,
Just remember it could be a lot worse. Justin didn't have to sell his
key generator. He could have done what many shareware companies have
done which is simply put a notice on his site saying, we are closed,
we no longer offer key replacements, and if you don't like it tough
What a control Freak!
So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this.
I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I
want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the
business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a
you-know-what and
well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that!
a pitty.
oh well, its just going to have to be non public.
you are right though there are other devs, and while these are
classics, I guess the only thing we can do is buy the keygen or as
many of us can do it.
we will have
well he really has shot himself in the foot by doing this.
I won't post anything publically but still it would have been nice if
i could have done so.
At 11:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's
been my observation that a strict policy
well they won't exactly be lost charles, but its better to legally be
able to get them publically.
At 11:55 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Thanks for letting us know, Tom. It's a shame that these will be
lost, but I'm looking forward to what's coming in the future. We
won't have a shortage,
for that.
But thou must!
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:28 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that!
a pitty.
oh well, its just
well as far as I care they will not be lost and I will make any
effort to make sure that if its asked I will deliver.
I will respect justin by not publically sharing mass posting, etc.
However whatever has posessed him to behave in this prickish manner escapes me.
My only thing I can think of is
Hi there. I am in 2 minds about this.
What if you've been away from your computer and come back after May
17th and go through all your emails, you see an announcement about
BSC games closing down, and then go online to order the games and the
keygen for 75 bucks only to discover that the
ofcause tom, its a pitty the classics can't go public as they should
be, now we will have to trade out of back allys, its unfitting.
At 12:33 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't
committing piracy intentionally or
Way to shoot yourself in the foot!
At 10:49 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Sky,
That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the $75
pack he is selling up until May 15 after that the games and software
from Blindsoftware.com will no longer be available via legal means. Of
course,
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:33 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Bryan,
Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't
committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our
audio game developers
well we have no choice really now justin has made things clear.
I have it backed up, but still it just doesn't sit right with me.
How one of the main devs should turn so fast on us.
At 12:49 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Sky,
That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the
well the only thing we can do is buy as much as we can now.
ofcause there is the offlist trading thing, but it would have been
nice to recognise things legally and officially.
At 12:59 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Dark and all,
Just remember it could be a lot worse. Justin didn't have to sell
You wouldn't be so blase about it if you'd been on a 3 week holiday
and returned from your little adventure on June 1 only to hear about
BSC closing down and the missed opportunity you had to get the games
and keygen.
At 10:59 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote:
Hi Dark and all,
Just remember it could
] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that!
a pitty.
oh well, its just going to have to be non public.
you are right though there are other devs, and while these are
classics, I guess the only thing we can do is buy the keygen or as
many of us
Hi Steven,
Regarding the sounds and music remember that there are other parties
involved. If a developer like Justin buys the sounds and music from a
place like Sound Ideas he can not legally transfer ownership or
distribution rights to another party unless they also license them
from Sound
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:37 PM
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Hi Tom.
the position of audiogames.net is the same, indeed some of the few
occasions members have been banned from the forum is for redistributing
pirated
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
What a control Freak!
So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this.
I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want!
I
Rivard
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if
he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into
sales. I, for one
Hi Charles,
Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this
incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a
hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter
security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify
selling someone
Hi Bryan,
Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and
support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and
Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at
home and work his support and development began to drop off and
understandably so. However,
] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
What a control Freak!
So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this.
I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what
I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the
business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun
!
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:35 PM
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I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if
he comes out with new games, his current actions
I aggree I don't bear a grudge against justin or blindsoftware, his
actions are puzzling but nothing more will I buy from him again?
it depends what he is selling.
if its more of the same I think a lot of us will be telling him to
fork himself.
some of us had to buy our stuff twice I had
I aggree with you there tom, I suspect that he was on verge of
burnout and quit before he flamed himself tooblivian oblivian.
bavisoft had nill communication with anyone and were sloppy.
Esp and james north.
well he was fine with espsoftworks never should have sold it because
he was really
I agree with all of you.
However after the fifthteenth of May if anyone that has the key gen can
pass it around off list.
All the person would need to do is just say email me off list to talk
about the key gen.
That's how I myself would do it, so that nobody knows that I am
actually giving out
The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces
is to make the next few games free and really good.
Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get
on the list so we could talk with them.
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Thomas.
Then what about people like Phil Valasak, and David Greenwood?
They make games that are machine base.
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I think that he should let someone run the company for him that has
time on their hands.
Then he could take care of his duties as a family man while his company
is being taking care of.
I have seen this before with other companies, the person had no time to
run the business so they had let
Hey, Shawn.
I myself are not too upset with Justin.
I hope that one day he will come back to the audio gaming world!
Maybe when he hears all of this stuff from the list mabye he will take
a second look.
But if he don't I totally understand.
All of you might have wonder why I have not been
, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Bryan,
Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and
support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and
Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at
home and work his
And now, I'll bet someone or someones will do just that.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement
: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is
to make the next few games free and really good.
Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on
the list so we could talk with them.
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