Re: [Audyssey] See Monkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress
Reinhard, the See Munkey is a device I'm selling that is worn on your head and tracks its position as you move. The data from the device can be read by games or software to give an immersive 3D experience or to offer up a new form of input. Information on the device can be found here. www.kaldobsky.com/audiodevices/ Another update: Hatred and I have been making a lot of progress on the RPG engine's improvements. We turned a small microphone into an ear mounted one so that the engine could be calibrated to the actual amount of sound, and audio "blind spots", created for each ear as sounds move around you. It took quite a few separate tests but it will be worth it in the end. It currently blows away the older version I had from before. We've already been talking about the next goal, so once the engine is fixed up and the duck hunt game is posted, we will turn our attention to improving the See Munkey firmware. Just like the engine's sound code, the See Munkey's firmware has several small problems that keep it from being as good as I'd like it to be. When by myself I was buried in work and wasn't getting around to fixing the code, but now that I have help it will be much easier! :D Yay! As another reminder, there are still some devices left in the online store. I'll be taking some to the post office tomorrow, so if anyone orders one in the next 12-or-so hours it will get mailed along with them. This isn't actually a very good excuse for me to once again advertise, since any orders that don't come in on time will just get mailed out Tuesday or Wednesday, Haha. I do want to remind people about them though, since I want to sell the last of these before placing my next big parts order. - Aprone From: Reinhard Stebner To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] See Monkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress What are these monkeys? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
Hi Sky, Wow! You must have more patients then I then. I wouldn't wait two years for a key, but I would give a developer at least a week to get back to me before I started filing a complaint. However, knowing this community as I do some people cant wait even a week expecting it to show up the same day they make the request which is sometimes unrealistic with a one or two man operation. On 6/23/13, Sky Mundell wrote: > Hello bryan, Charles, Thomas and Liam, I have to agree with you guys. Some > people have limited patients and don't want to wait and get new keys, For > example, two years ago, I ordered a replacement key for judgement day, and > either I lost it, or it still has not arrived. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Desiree, I completely agree with you. Waiting more than a week for a key replacement is clearly unreasonable unless of course for some valid circumstance such as the person is away on vacation or is unable to do so because of a medical emergency. In such a case allowances should be made, but where there are no valid excuses for dragging a key replacement out for months the developer should be held accountable to their customers. On 6/23/13, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > I completely agree. Please try to take a step back and look at this > situation with a bit more objectivity. I don't think that 24 hours is > necessarily a reasonable time frame, although with automated systems > such as Draconus uses, I can see why someone would consider 24 hours > to be enough. However, if you have to generate your codes manually, I > would say a week or less is reasonable. Any more than that, and I > think you start to gain a bad reputation, whether it's deserved or > not. I, personally, don't like spending my money and seeing it hanging > in limbo so to speak. I don't think that waiting for months for a key > is really acceptable. > Having said that, when I purchased Super Egg Hunt Plus, I had my key > within a day, so I'm not complaining. However, a friend of mine asked > for a replacement key for Judgment Day several months ago, and hasn't > heard a response. I feel that some of the frustration being expressed > here is reasonable, both on the side of the people who haven't > received registration keys, and on Liam's side as well. > I don't know the extent of Liam's job, but surely he could designate a > certain time, maybe once a week, to go through emails and respond > accordingly. By keeping to a schedule, both he and those who buy his > games should be happy. Of course, unforeseen circumstances might still > arise, and if that happens, people will just have to show a little > patience. > People being so frustrated that they want to register formal > complaints with Paypal should be a serious wake-up call, however. It > would be for me, at least. Something is wrong there, and, as I said, I > see validity to both sides of this. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
You betcha! -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, I should hope so. Upon coming home aafter a day with the wife and kids and finding my inbox over flowing with this argument I naturally went and located the message that had everyone up in arms and read it carefully. My initial read and subsequent reads found Milos post poorly worded, but I was pretty certain his intention was not that of someone actually advocating piracy. I see where some like Bryan and yourself took it the wrong way, but the difference was I came at it with an open mind, no set opinion on what it said, and found the message was a bit ambiguous and chucked it up to a failure to clearly communicate the thought. So I hope we can now lay this argument to rest and move on with life. On 6/23/13, Charles Rivard wrote: Wow! If this is the case, I really and truly apologize for what I sent to the list! -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Charles, I should hope so. Upon coming home aafter a day with the wife and kids and finding my inbox over flowing with this argument I naturally went and located the message that had everyone up in arms and read it carefully. My initial read and subsequent reads found Milos post poorly worded, but I was pretty certain his intention was not that of someone actually advocating piracy. I see where some like Bryan and yourself took it the wrong way, but the difference was I came at it with an open mind, no set opinion on what it said, and found the message was a bit ambiguous and chucked it up to a failure to clearly communicate the thought. So I hope we can now lay this argument to rest and move on with life. On 6/23/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Wow! If this is the case, I really and truly apologize for what I sent to > the list! > > -- > If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling > errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Charles, I think what we have here is a failior to communicate properly. For the record I didn't take Milos post as advocating piracy in any shape or form. I understood it to mean if he were not responsible and prompt at getting keys out to his clients that they themselves would turn to piracy regardless of what he himself felt about it. As has been pointed out before Milos is not a native English speaker, and considering that fact let's give him some slack until he can explain his intentions clearer rather than dragging him off to the gallows to be hanged without a fair trial. So no I will not be banning him from the list unless he himself says he has a desire to pirate games, and that message is not as ambiguous as his initial message that started this flamewar. On 6/23/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer" end quote. > > How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get > their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And > > blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within > > 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait > > for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet > problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Wow! If this is the case, I really and truly apologize for what I sent to the list! -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Bryan, Wrong. Apparently I am one of the few people who read Milos message and didn't take it the way you and Charles have. I generally understood Milos to mean if he were a developer and didn't get keys out to a customer within 24 hours those customers would then turn to piracy to get what they want simply because he was not timely enough for them. He was obviously not suggesting that he himself would pirate software, or that he expected anyone to either. Saying there is no other interpretation for what Milos said obviously sounds to me like you, Charles, and a few others are expecting the worst from a simple off-hand comment given by a non-English speaker who I am certain had no idea how it would be taken by English speaking listers across the world. Let's try and keep things like that in mind before we have him virtually tried and executed without considering the fact English is not his primary language, and while his wording could have been better obviously it confused some people as to its actual intent. On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: Exactly. There's no other possible interpretation for the way that was worded. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Bryan, Wrong. Apparently I am one of the few people who read Milos message and didn't take it the way you and Charles have. I generally understood Milos to mean if he were a developer and didn't get keys out to a customer within 24 hours those customers would then turn to piracy to get what they want simply because he was not timely enough for them. He was obviously not suggesting that he himself would pirate software, or that he expected anyone to either. Saying there is no other interpretation for what Milos said obviously sounds to me like you, Charles, and a few others are expecting the worst from a simple off-hand comment given by a non-English speaker who I am certain had no idea how it would be taken by English speaking listers across the world. Let's try and keep things like that in mind before we have him virtually tried and executed without considering the fact English is not his primary language, and while his wording could have been better obviously it confused some people as to its actual intent. On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Exactly. There's no other possible interpretation for the way that was > worded. > > > > Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? and things like User Account Control, but nothing like what he commercial developers have had to face.
Hi Bryan, Let's hope it never comes to that, and I personally believe it won't come to that. Saying we will have no developers at all willing to develop audio games is a bit extreme. After all, there are a number of audio game developers who for their own reasons write free accessible games who haven't had to put up with nearly the crap the commercial developers have had to put up with. Jim Kitchen, for example, has always given his games away for free, and because of that I think most gamers trust him. He never announces a new game until he releases it so there is no false signals or expectations for people to constantly bajor him over. Sure I know some of us have given him a bit of grief over some technical aspects of him game such as over VB 6 On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss > their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right to > > constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort of > behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no > developers at all. > > > > Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. > -Original Message- > From: MamaPeach > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com, > etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within > a > reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before > inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing > to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount > of > time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting > what > was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's > of > games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and > when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or > why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about > why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they > bought the item from? This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good > business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to > purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what > we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months > for > something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one > should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending. > -Original Message- > From: James Bartlett > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't > care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact > all > the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all > the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. > > bfn > James > > > -- > From: "Charles Rivard" > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM > To: "audyssey gamers list" > Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > >> A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken >> >> by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they >> don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact >> >> that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 >> complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the >> >> same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. >> >> Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really >> >> get on a roll? >> >> James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this >> occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly >> voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have >> also vacated the premises. Guess why? >> >> I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for >> >> those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who >> don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they >> want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you >> cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than >> you for a change. >> >> Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I >> >> don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me >> up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright >> childish behavior! >> >> >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Lab
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Milos, While I do agree that a developer should send out new or replacement license keys in a timely fassion I have always have believed in the 72 hour rule. That is a customer can expect a replacement key within three days upon request excluding weekends and holidays. That frees the developer up to fulfill personal commitments be it a job, family, doctor appointments, whatever while giving his or her customers a reasonable time frame to expect his or her license information. I personally feel 24 hours is cutting it short unless there is an automated system in place to serve the human operator when he/she is unavailable. On 6/23/13, Milos Przic wrote: > Hi Charles, > Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting > registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the > developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check > > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the > complaints. > Best! > Milos Przic > twitter: MilosPrzic > skype: Milosh-hs --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Milos half of these people act like they never would do anything wrong. Lets be real if you pay for a product you exspect to get it in at least a week. It didnt take them anytime to get my money I am talking about codes and things that you purchase and download. If it it is something that is being shipped times it might take a little longer I completely get that but I am not paying for something and waiting tell hell freezes over to get it. Find away to make things work. On 6/23/13, shaun everiss wrote: > I aggree with both points. > > At 12:35 PM 6/24/2013, you wrote: >>Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no >>way obligated to discuss their personal lives on >>list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right >>to constantly harp on what few developers we >>have. People keep that sort of behavior up and >>the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no developers at all. >> >> >> >>Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, >>Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. >>-Original Message- From: MamaPeach >>Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM >>To: Gamers Discussion list >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? >> >>You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, >> Walmart.com, >>etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within >> a >>reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months >> before >>inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing >>to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount >> of >>time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting >> what >>was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's >> of >>games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and >>when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or >>why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about >>why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they >>bought the item from? This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't >> good >>business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to >>purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what >>we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months >> for >>something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one >>should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending. >>-Original Message- From: James Bartlett >>Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM >>To: Gamers Discussion list >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? >> >>Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't >>care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact >> all >>the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all >>the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. >> >>bfn >>James >> >> >>-- >>From: "Charles Rivard" >>Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM >>To: "audyssey gamers list" >>Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? >> >>>A thought on impatience: Some people gripe >>>about the length of time taken by developers to >>>come out with a new game. Some people gripe if >>>they don't get a registration key right >>>away. Some people gripe about the fact that >>>they don't have enough games to >>>play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints >>>come from pretty much the same few >>>people. These are also the same people who >>>want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. >>> >>>Have you noticed what always seems to happen >>>when these complainers really get on a roll? >>> >>>James North produced many very good games and >>>then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has >>>voiced frustration, to say the least, and has >>>openly voiced a consideration of >>>quitting. Why? Other producers of games have >>>also vacated the premises. Guess why? >>> >>>I commend those developers who have stuck it >>>out and continue working for those of us who do >>>care about and respect them. For those of us >>>who don't, and who only care about themselves >>>and what they want, when they want it and no >>>later, what's it going to take for you to learn >>>what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! >>>and think about someone other than you for a change. >>> >>>Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned >>>good reason to be. Although I don't create >>>games, I care about those who do, and it just >>>flat burns me up when you drive these creators >>>away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! >>> >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>You can make cha
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
I aggree with both points. At 12:35 PM 6/24/2013, you wrote: Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right to constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort of behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no developers at all. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: MamaPeach Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com, etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within a reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount of time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting what was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's of games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they bought the item from? This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months for something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending. -Original Message- From: James Bartlett Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. bfn James -- From: "Charles Rivard" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM To: "audyssey gamers list" Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding t
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right to constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort of behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no developers at all. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: MamaPeach Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com, etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within a reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount of time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting what was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's of games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they bought the item from? This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months for something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending. -Original Message- From: James Bartlett Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. bfn James -- From: "Charles Rivard" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM To: "audyssey gamers list" Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audy
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You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com, etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within a reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount of time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting what was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's of games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they bought the item from? This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months for something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending. -Original Message- From: James Bartlett Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. bfn James -- From: "Charles Rivard" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM To: "audyssey gamers list" Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You said you would "get them to opt for a cracked version." That's why people were jumping down your throat because it implies you condone piracy. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Milos Przic Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hello Bryan, english is not my first language although I study translation and know (or should have learned till now) the language very well. You got my point and thank you for thinking rather than jumping without using your brain. I still don't know what is wrong with my wording? Only that I said that in the first person? Yes, but let me ask something. How much of you would say that you would never ever do this? And if you all say no, how much of you would not tell the trooth? Everyone knows the answer to that. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Exactly. I know. It'd be almost impossible not to jump to that conclusion based on the wording he chose. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? I meant exactly what I said. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Ga
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hello Bryan, english is not my first language although I study translation and know (or should have learned till now) the language very well. You got my point and thank you for thinking rather than jumping without using your brain. I still don't know what is wrong with my wording? Only that I said that in the first person? Yes, but let me ask something. How much of you would say that you would never ever do this? And if you all say no, how much of you would not tell the trooth? Everyone knows the answer to that. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Exactly. I know. It'd be almost impossible not to jump to that conclusion based on the wording he chose. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? I meant exactly what I said. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management o
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work. bfn James -- From: "Charles Rivard" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM To: "audyssey gamers list" Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] See Munkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress
Yes I know I can't wait ether they sound like a lot of fun. bfn James -- From: "lenron brown" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:10 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] See Munkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress cant wait to buy a c monkey On 6/22/13, Dakotah Rickard wrote: I'm sincerely glad you've got a buddy up to help you and make the time a more enjoyable one. I'm sure I'd be a damn site more productive if my friends were present with me for the process. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 6/22/13, shaun everiss wrote: well its good to keep updated was wandering where you were hiding. Yes its good to have extra staff to help with your projects, um should I say minions you being the swamp zombie master and all that. Yeah minions. I wander if you could release a vid or audio or something about the construction of the c monkey, and how its done from parts and whats in it to assembly I am sure some friends would like to see that. At 07:35 AM 6/23/2013, you wrote: Hey guys, sorry for the long delay since the last time I've updated this post. The past few weeks have been very busy, but also quite productive. My buddy Hatred moved up from Texas and we've spent the past few weeks getting him familiar with all of the projects I'm in the middle of. He has been helping me build See Munkeys for the past few days, so once the next big order comes in, I'll be able to have them built and ready to sell at a much faster rate. We also worked on new construction methods and ordered some new tools that cut down on the time and effort needed to put them together. People have been asking when new devices will be in the store, so I'm reporting in to say that the last 7 are listed before I'll have to order new parts. Another reason for the delay was that one of my parts suppliers sent me some bad parts and it threw off my normal routine. As for the RPG, Hatred and I have been going over parts of the game engine that I haven't been happy with. We are improving them by quite a bit actually, so I'm very happy about that. We will also be doing our best to get the duck hunt game out as soon as we can. The engine changes we're making also affect the code for duck hunt, so that's another reason that small game isn't further along, but in the end the changes will be well worth it. They greatly improve sound quality. I hope to do a better job of keeping people updated on my progress. I'll also bug Hatred to make more audio games for himself, haha! Having him here with me is going to really help in just about every way. It is always good to have someone around to lend a helping hand and to keep you motivated when projects drag on and on for long hours. :D LOL! - Aprone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All m
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
I aggree lisa. But you only get shit if you ask for it or give it yourself. And if you are not able to either close or ask for help. aprone has help with his stuff now and thats good. At 10:59 AM 6/24/2013, you wrote: Well said Charles well said, who'd write games and get shit from people. Not me. I'd close this list down if i had the power and then no air would be given to the wingers of the blindness community., Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Since this topic shows no sign of stopping anyway, I'll just point out that I added automatic credit card handling to Alter Aeon specifically so that people could get their credits instantly, without having to wait on me or anyone else. Now, with that experience under my belt, I understand why more developers aren't doing it: it's a huge amount of time and effort, and it requires carefully and painstakingly written code. Given the low volumes of shipments and key generation in the community, I can totally understand why devs wouldn't bother, and would rather do keys by hand. In short, most games don't have a big enough market to make automated systems worth the effort. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Clement Chou wrote: > The amount of flack that just flew around is absolutely unbelievable. > Yes, on the one point, I can see how it could be taken with the particular > wording used... however, I don't think there's any cause for ripping him one > the way you did, Charles. I'm probably sticking my neck out onto the > chopping block... but I think as well that some people are taking a > miswritten comment and blowing it way, way out of proportion. > As to the main topic.. I feel 72 hours is a reasonable amount of time to > wait. After that I would start asking... but while I understand Liam's > position one also has to look at the standpoint of the gamers. 3 days? > Fine... but if no keys are being sent in months, then shouldn't there be > something done? If Liam is too busy to check keys every few days which is > again understandable, couldn't there be an automated system as with > Draconis? > > - Original Message - From: "Ryan Strunk" > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > >> Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you >> supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. >> As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. >> Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check >> orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get >> them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another >> developer" end quote. >> I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are >> going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, >> but >> I believe that was the point. >> But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm >> defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I >> think he said. So let's try this: >> What did you really mean? >> More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one >> another, shall we? >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
The amount of flack that just flew around is absolutely unbelievable. Yes, on the one point, I can see how it could be taken with the particular wording used... however, I don't think there's any cause for ripping him one the way you did, Charles. I'm probably sticking my neck out onto the chopping block... but I think as well that some people are taking a miswritten comment and blowing it way, way out of proportion. As to the main topic.. I feel 72 hours is a reasonable amount of time to wait. After that I would start asking... but while I understand Liam's position one also has to look at the standpoint of the gamers. 3 days? Fine... but if no keys are being sent in months, then shouldn't there be something done? If Liam is too busy to check keys every few days which is again understandable, couldn't there be an automated system as with Draconis? - Original Message - From: "Ryan Strunk" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
we need more automated systems then that is the only answer or have others that can be trusted sending keys to people sort of like a cloud based network. I'd gladly do it as I often have time where I don't do anything at all. At 05:47 AM 6/24/2013, you wrote: Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versio
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
I want my stuff in a reasonable ammount of time say 5-10 business days. a lot of stuff is ready in 2 but 5 or 10 days is for an average package and though steep I'd still accept that I know its not easy for 1 person which is why I volinteered assistance since I think it may be needed in this case. And when I put the message a couple days ago about what could happen its only a scenario that I want to avoid and have the community avoid. But heck if liam is to busy to continue I can understand I guess. I'd like to help before that gets to that point though I have time to do so. I ask for little in return and would even help even if I didn't get what I asked for. I have noticed as new people come on here, people not versed with the history of this list and how we all started will look at it in a different way. At 01:20 AM 6/24/2013, you wrote: Hi Bryan, So do they. Only difference is they want them ready yesterday. :D Cheers! On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > I'd much rather have them when they're ready, when they're ready, when > they're ready. LOL. But as I said earlier crap like this is why I've grown > hesitant about developing for this community. > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
well I don't mind waiting, especially when people are busy, after all game dev is not a full time job, but 6 months or more can be a bit steep. I also need to know that my messages are getting to where ever they should go what addresses to use, etc. I tried on twitter but the interface is really no good for dms. at any rate email I thought would be easier. I am more concerned than anything else I am not really complaining here I know liam is busy and he has said this. a lot of us do. I do not want to push people away. At 02:00 PM 6/23/2013, you wrote: A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] See Monkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress
What are these monkeys? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] See Munkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress cant wait to buy a c monkey On 6/22/13, Dakotah Rickard wrote: > I'm sincerely glad you've got a buddy up to help you and make the time > a more enjoyable one. > I'm sure I'd be a damn site more productive if my friends were present > with me for the process. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard > > On 6/22/13, shaun everiss wrote: >> well its good to keep updated was wandering where you were hiding. >> Yes its good to have extra staff to help with your projects, um >> should I say minions you being the swamp zombie master and all that. >> Yeah minions. >> I wander if you could release a vid or audio or something about the >> construction of the c monkey, and how its done from parts and whats >> in it to assembly I am sure some friends would like to see that. >> >> At 07:35 AM 6/23/2013, you wrote: >>>Hey guys, sorry for the long delay since the last time I've updated >>>this post. The past few weeks have been very busy, but also quite >>>productive. My buddy Hatred moved up from Texas and we've spent the >>>past few weeks getting him familiar with all of the projects I'm in >>>the middle of. He has been helping me build See Munkeys for the >>>past few days, so once the next big order comes in, I'll be able to >>>have them built and ready to sell at a much faster rate. We also >>>worked on new construction methods and ordered some new tools that >>>cut down on the time and effort needed to put them together. >>> >>>People have been asking when new devices will be in the store, so >>>I'm reporting in to say that the last 7 are listed before I'll have >>>to order new parts. Another reason for the delay was that one of my >>>parts suppliers sent me some bad parts and it threw off my normal >>> routine. >>> >>>As for the RPG, Hatred and I have been going over parts of the game >>>engine that I haven't been happy with. We are improving them by >>>quite a bit actually, so I'm very happy about that. We will also be >>>doing our best to get the duck hunt game out as soon as we can. The >>>engine changes we're making also affect the code for duck hunt, so >>>that's another reason that small game isn't further along, but in >>>the end the changes will be well worth it. They greatly improve sound >>> quality. >>> >>>I hope to do a better job of keeping people updated on my >>>progress. I'll also bug Hatred to make more audio games for >>>himself, haha! Having him here with me is going to really help in >>>just about every way. It is always good to have someone around to >>>lend a helping hand and to keep you motivated when projects drag on >>>and on for long hours. :D LOL! >>> >>> >>>- Aprone >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Well said Charles well said, who'd write games and get shit from people. Not me. I'd close this list down if i had the power and then no air would be given to the wingers of the blindness community., Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
No, it doesn't, as he wrote it in the first person. He was referring to himself as the hypothetical developer. But again, let's just ask him. I fully realize I'm contributing to the very problem I'm trying to stop by hashing and rehashing one silly little sentence someone may or may not have meant to write in the way they did, but I think this traffic is indicative of a much larger problem we have on this list. Milos writes a post expressing his viewpoint on a controversial topic about developers and the time they have available. The sentence wasn't particularly strong, and according to Milos' Twitter feed, English isn't his first language, adding a whole level of possible complications. Remember when JFK said he was a doughnut? So someone reads that sentence, interprets it a certain way, and goes off on what can only be described as a tirade, making some pretty strong statements about the author's character and comportment and recommending that developers stay clear of him. And if that's not enough, other people start writing in support of the tirade. "Yeah! I can't believe that guy! What a jerk!" But what if it turns out Milos mistyped that sentence? What if it turns out, English not being his first language, he didn't mean to word it as you interpreted it? Now a vocal section of the community has made him a villain because of one simple mistake that he likely didn't even realize he made. He's going to come back to his inbox and read a huge number of posts debating his status as a pirate because of 13 little words. What does that say about this community? We can talk all we want about the awful people who beat on developers, who whine about cheat codes and product keys, who are destroying the possibility of future games because of their actions. But all the while, those who aren't are preaching from soap boxes about their own virtues, and in cases like this, are likely making huge mistakes. If we're going to be holier than thou, there likely won't be much thou left after too long, and it's going to be a sad and lonely place. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? The problem is his wording seems to indicate that he would, at least when it came to other people's products. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:15 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? That doesn't make sense though. If he's selling something, and he doesn't get back to his clients within 24 hours, he wouldn't tell them, "it's ok, just go out and crack my software. I don't give a damn." That's just plain idiotic. I think Ryan is right--I gave an objective viewpoint earlier in this thread, and I'm sticking to it. I think a few of you are taking one badly worded comment and blowing it way out of proportion. On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. > > > > Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. > -Original Message- > From: Ryan Strunk > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM > To: 'Gamers Discussion list' > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you > supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. > As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. > Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer" end quote. > I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are > going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, > but > I believe that was the point. > But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm > defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I > think he said. So let's try this: > What did you really mean? > More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one > another, shall we? > > -Original Message- > From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles > Rivard > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer" end quote. > > How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get > their registration key within 24 hours,
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
The problem is his wording seems to indicate that he would, at least when it came to other people's products. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:15 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? That doesn't make sense though. If he's selling something, and he doesn't get back to his clients within 24 hours, he wouldn't tell them, "it's ok, just go out and crack my software. I don't give a damn." That's just plain idiotic. I think Ryan is right--I gave an objective viewpoint earlier in this thread, and I'm sticking to it. I think a few of you are taking one badly worded comment and blowing it way out of proportion. On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
That doesn't make sense though. If he's selling something, and he doesn't get back to his clients within 24 hours, he wouldn't tell them, "it's ok, just go out and crack my software. I don't give a damn." That's just plain idiotic. I think Ryan is right--I gave an objective viewpoint earlier in this thread, and I'm sticking to it. I think a few of you are taking one badly worded comment and blowing it way out of proportion. On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. > > > > Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. > -Original Message- > From: Ryan Strunk > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM > To: 'Gamers Discussion list' > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you > supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. > As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. > Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer" end quote. > I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are > going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but > I believe that was the point. > But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm > defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I > think he said. So let's try this: > What did you really mean? > More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one > another, shall we? > > -Original Message- > From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles > Rivard > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check > orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get > them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer" end quote. > > How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get > their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? > And > > blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer > within > > 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait > for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet > problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Exactly. I know. It'd be almost impossible not to jump to that conclusion based on the wording he chose. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? I meant exactly what I said. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I meant exactly what I said. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Or that he persuades them to opt for the cracked product. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:56 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Bryan says there's no other interpretation for that quote than the one you supplied. That makes me sad, Brian. As for yours, Charles, let me try and help. Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. I.E. If I don't supply codes to my clients soon enough, they, not I, are going to opt for piracy instead of waiting. That doesn't make it right, but I believe that was the point. But hey! You're ripping the guy a new one for what you think he said. I'm defending him from the vigorous ripping you want to give him with what I think he said. So let's try this: What did you really mean? More deep breaths, gentlemen, and let's try not to think the worst of one another, shall we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not enough games to play? that's ridiculous I have over 60 games on my computer --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Exactly. There's no other possible interpretation for the way that was worded. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Strunk" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what they want, they will turn to piracy. The solution to that is to get your codes out quicker. Deep breaths, my man. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the s
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The solution is actually for the community to stop being so petty about it. I agree with Charles. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Ryan Strunk Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:53 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what they want, they will turn to piracy. The solution to that is to get your codes out quicker. Deep breaths, my man. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who
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I couldn't agree more. This is outrageous. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:47 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Inform
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Maybe they're descended from the Greek gods. LOL. Most of them were, after all, the very embodiment of petty. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, You said it. The answer is those people need to grow up and stop living in their own zone. Stop with the entitlment attitude or whatever it is that makes them believe they should get whatever it is they want when they want it and not a second later. Certain people can be quite petty and childish when demanding they get new keys, new games, or whatever, and many have forgotten how to ask politely. On 6/22/13, Charles Rivard wrote: A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Quote: "If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer" end quote. How else can that be taken? Isn't he suggesting that if they don't get their registration key within 24 hours, they should get a pirated copy? And blaming a developer for not getting a registration code to a customer within 24 hours, even though they may have a very fair policy that you should wait for at least 72 hours is just flat crazy, because there may be Internet problems, or, as I pointed out, it might be during a week end. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Strunk" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what they want, they will turn to piracy. The solution to that is to get your codes out quicker. Deep breaths, my man. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why?
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
I completely agree. Please try to take a step back and look at this situation with a bit more objectivity. I don't think that 24 hours is necessarily a reasonable time frame, although with automated systems such as Draconus uses, I can see why someone would consider 24 hours to be enough. However, if you have to generate your codes manually, I would say a week or less is reasonable. Any more than that, and I think you start to gain a bad reputation, whether it's deserved or not. I, personally, don't like spending my money and seeing it hanging in limbo so to speak. I don't think that waiting for months for a key is really acceptable. Having said that, when I purchased Super Egg Hunt Plus, I had my key within a day, so I'm not complaining. However, a friend of mine asked for a replacement key for Judgment Day several months ago, and hasn't heard a response. I feel that some of the frustration being expressed here is reasonable, both on the side of the people who haven't received registration keys, and on Liam's side as well. I don't know the extent of Liam's job, but surely he could designate a certain time, maybe once a week, to go through emails and respond accordingly. By keeping to a schedule, both he and those who buy his games should be happy. Of course, unforeseen circumstances might still arise, and if that happens, people will just have to show a little patience. People being so frustrated that they want to register formal complaints with Paypal should be a serious wake-up call, however. It would be for me, at least. Something is wrong there, and, as I said, I see validity to both sides of this. On 6/23/13, Ryan Strunk wrote: > Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his > second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that > he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural > tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what they > want, they will turn to piracy. The solution to that is to get your codes > out quicker. > Deep breaths, my man. > > -Original Message- > From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles > Rivard > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:47 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > Your comments, followed by my responses: > Comment: > If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be > blamed. > Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the > developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more > people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and > they > get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and > patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original > post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! > tolerated!!! > > You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least > once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for > the > cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get > frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. > my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that > you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? > If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my > personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do > something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in > having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are > impatient. > > Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software > rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be > ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for > sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any > business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance > against your despicable business practices. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. > - Original Message - > From: "Milos Przic" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > >> Hi Charles, >> Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting >> registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the >> >> developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to >> check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, >> yes, > >> get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another >> developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the >> complaints. >> Best! >> Milos Przic >> twitter: MilosPrzic >> skype: Milosh-hs >> - Original Message - >> From: "C
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Slow your roll, Charles. We obviously have different interpretations of his second point, but I would guess, given the nature of his entire post, that he isn't advocating piracy. Rather he's saying that, given people's natural tendency toward impatience--misguided or not--if they don't get what they want, they will turn to piracy. The solution to that is to get your codes out quicker. Deep breaths, my man. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > Hi Charles, > Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting > registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the > developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to > check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, > get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another > developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the > complaints. > Best! > Milos Przic > twitter: MilosPrzic > skype: Milosh-hs > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Rivard" > To: "audyssey gamers list" > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM > Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? > > >>A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken >>by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they >>don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact >>that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 >>complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the >>same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. >> >> Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers >> really get on a roll? >> >> James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this >> occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly >> voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have >> also vacated the premises. Guess why? >> >> I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for >> those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who >> don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they >> want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you >> cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than >> you for a change. >> >> Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although >> I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns >> me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright >> childish behavior! >> >> >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
I don't think you should do that. I think you do an excellent job providing games just like all the rest of the developers do. People are just going to wait and if they're not satisfied, then that's just tough, I'm afraid. Congratulations to the people who develop games, I'm going to try to save up and buy some games in the near future smiles Amanda -- From: "Thomas Ward" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:51 AM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games Hi Liam, While I personally would hate to see you do that I also couldn't blame you if you did. There have been a number of times I've considered just quitting myself, and turning Raceway and MOTA over to someone else and ride off into the sunset. A lot of it has been due to pressure of getting this or that done on demand. Some people here want things now, now, now. On 6/22/13, Liam Erven wrote: I would not mind quitting development at times. As said earlier, it is a labor of love and does not pay the bills. I work full time. If people are that dissatisfied, then maybe it's time to close up shop. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Your comments, followed by my responses: Comment: If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. Response: So, if I were to purchase something on Saturday evening, the developer is to get my registration key to me by Sunday evening? If more people felt this way, there goes a developer's weekend with family, and they get no time off, all due to gamer's total lack of understanding and patience! This attitude is exactly what I was talking about in my original post on this thread, and there! is! no! excuse! for! it! being! tolerated!!! You say: If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. my response: If your clients behave that way, then I strongly suggest that you get other clients. And to make matters worse, you? condone? piracy?? If I had anything to say about this list, and keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, you would be banned from this list, and I would do something about your advertising of the fact that you have no problem in having a hand in piracy for the simple fact that your clients are impatient. Suggesting to your clients that they should get a cracked copy of software rather than wait for a legal one is downright deplorable, and you should be ashamed of yourself, although you apparently are not. I know one thing for sure: Knowing what I now have read directly from you, I would never do any business with you, and I suggest that all others take the same stance against your despicable business practices. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Milos Przic" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The messa
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Charles, Yes. About release dates I agree 100 percent. But about getting registrations not quite. If one doesn't get the key in 24 hours, then the developer should be blamed. If I want money for my product, I have to check orders at least once in a day, otherwise I lose my clients and, yes, get them to opt for the cracked product rather than buying from another developer as they get frustrated quite like the developers do about the complaints. Best! Milos Przic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "audyssey gamers list" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn? A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
Hello bryan, Charles, Thomas and Liam, I have to agree with you guys. Some people have limited patients and don't want to wait and get new keys, For example, two years ago, I ordered a replacement key for judgement day, and either I lost it, or it still has not arrived. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games Hi Liam, While I personally would hate to see you do that I also couldn't blame you if you did. There have been a number of times I've considered just quitting myself, and turning Raceway and MOTA over to someone else and ride off into the sunset. A lot of it has been due to pressure of getting this or that done on demand. Some people here want things now, now, now. On 6/22/13, Liam Erven wrote: > I would not mind quitting development at times. As said earlier, it is > a labor of love and does not pay the bills. I work full time. If > people are that dissatisfied, then maybe it's time to close up shop. > > Sent from my iPhone > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] See Munkeys are back in the store, plus updates on game progress
cant wait to buy a c monkey On 6/22/13, Dakotah Rickard wrote: > I'm sincerely glad you've got a buddy up to help you and make the time > a more enjoyable one. > I'm sure I'd be a damn site more productive if my friends were present > with me for the process. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard > > On 6/22/13, shaun everiss wrote: >> well its good to keep updated was wandering where you were hiding. >> Yes its good to have extra staff to help with your projects, um >> should I say minions you being the swamp zombie master and all that. >> Yeah minions. >> I wander if you could release a vid or audio or something about the >> construction of the c monkey, and how its done from parts and whats >> in it to assembly I am sure some friends would like to see that. >> >> At 07:35 AM 6/23/2013, you wrote: >>>Hey guys, sorry for the long delay since the last time I've updated >>>this post. The past few weeks have been very busy, but also quite >>>productive. My buddy Hatred moved up from Texas and we've spent the >>>past few weeks getting him familiar with all of the projects I'm in >>>the middle of. He has been helping me build See Munkeys for the >>>past few days, so once the next big order comes in, I'll be able to >>>have them built and ready to sell at a much faster rate. We also >>>worked on new construction methods and ordered some new tools that >>>cut down on the time and effort needed to put them together. >>> >>>People have been asking when new devices will be in the store, so >>>I'm reporting in to say that the last 7 are listed before I'll have >>>to order new parts. Another reason for the delay was that one of my >>>parts suppliers sent me some bad parts and it threw off my normal >>> routine. >>> >>>As for the RPG, Hatred and I have been going over parts of the game >>>engine that I haven't been happy with. We are improving them by >>>quite a bit actually, so I'm very happy about that. We will also be >>>doing our best to get the duck hunt game out as soon as we can. The >>>engine changes we're making also affect the code for duck hunt, so >>>that's another reason that small game isn't further along, but in >>>the end the changes will be well worth it. They greatly improve sound >>> quality. >>> >>>I hope to do a better job of keeping people updated on my >>>progress. I'll also bug Hatred to make more audio games for >>>himself, haha! Having him here with me is going to really help in >>>just about every way. It is always good to have someone around to >>>lend a helping hand and to keep you motivated when projects drag on >>>and on for long hours. :D LOL! >>> >>> >>>- Aprone >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
Hi Charles, You said it. The answer is those people need to grow up and stop living in their own zone. Stop with the entitlment attitude or whatever it is that makes them believe they should get whatever it is they want when they want it and not a second later. Certain people can be quite petty and childish when demanding they get new keys, new games, or whatever, and many have forgotten how to ask politely. On 6/22/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken > by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't > get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that > they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints > come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people > who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. > > Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really > get on a roll? > > James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this > occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly > voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have > also vacated the premises. Guess why? > > I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for > those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, > and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and > no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's > about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a > change. > > Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I > don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up > when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish > behavior! > > > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
Hi Bryan, So do they. Only difference is they want them ready yesterday. :D Cheers! On 6/23/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > I'd much rather have them when they're ready, when they're ready, when > they're ready. LOL. But as I said earlier crap like this is why I've grown > hesitant about developing for this community. > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
True, but it's how you react, and how you try to get results, that can be the problem. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "MamaPeach" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games I understand where Liam is coming from, but what about those people who have mentioned on list that they have waited and waited for keys to games that they have ordered? And how many have said they have tried to contact him with no response? I can see their side on this too. When anyone purchases something, they expect to get what they paid for. All of us feel that way I'm sure. -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:30 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games Hello, Liam. I am very happy with your games! I hope that you do not quit making games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
A thought on impatience: Some people gripe about the length of time taken by developers to come out with a new game. Some people gripe if they don't get a registration key right away. Some people gripe about the fact that they don't have enough games to play. Strangely enough, these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people. These are also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game. Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really get on a roll? James North produced many very good games and then quit. Why did this occur?? Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly voiced a consideration of quitting. Why? Other producers of games have also vacated the premises. Guess why? I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for those of us who do care about and respect them. For those of us who don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you cause? It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than you for a change. Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be. Although I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright childish behavior! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
I'd much rather have them when they're ready, when they're ready, when they're ready. LOL. But as I said earlier crap like this is why I've grown hesitant about developing for this community. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games Hi Liam, While I personally would hate to see you do that I also couldn't blame you if you did. There have been a number of times I've considered just quitting myself, and turning Raceway and MOTA over to someone else and ride off into the sunset. A lot of it has been due to pressure of getting this or that done on demand. Some people here want things now, now, now. On 6/22/13, Liam Erven wrote: I would not mind quitting development at times. As said earlier, it is a labor of love and does not pay the bills. I work full time. If people are that dissatisfied, then maybe it's time to close up shop. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] your Hangman game
Hi Karen, I made and have only one Kitchensinc desk top icon. And it is to my game menu gamemenu.exe program. Files such as winhang2.exe are no longer needed once you run them. They are just self extracting winzip files that install the games. That is unzip all of the game files to by default c:\program files\kitchensinc. And then you launch a game from the game menu program. HTH BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
Hi Liam, While I personally would hate to see you do that I also couldn't blame you if you did. There have been a number of times I've considered just quitting myself, and turning Raceway and MOTA over to someone else and ride off into the sunset. A lot of it has been due to pressure of getting this or that done on demand. Some people here want things now, now, now. On 6/22/13, Liam Erven wrote: > I would not mind quitting development at times. As said earlier, it is a > labor of love and does not pay the bills. I work full time. If people are > that dissatisfied, then maybe it's time to close up shop. > > Sent from my iPhone > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MY complaints about L-works games
Hi Michael, Sure. Your position is quite understandable. You purchased the game or games and deserve a replacement key or keys in a timely manner, and I can not fault you for that. A lot of developers have a three day policy excluding weekends and holidays of course. That way if a request comes in on Monday Morning the key will be there by Wednesday latest. While not extremely fast service having some sort of policy like that in place would eliminate the situation we are having now where it takes months to have a key replaced, and if the customer knows what time to expect his/her key they won't be bugging the developer every hour for their keys. On 6/22/13, Michael Taboada wrote: > hi Thomas, > While I agree with you in principle, I think there's a lot to be said for > the fact that it seems many people don't get replacement keys for games that > > are computer based, or even keys for new purchases for months or more which > > was my experience. In fact I kept bugging him on twitter and he kept telling > > me that he was going to send the key... and it took quite a while for that > to happen. > Basically what I'm saying is that while it's good to be mindful of the dev's > > other commitments, it's also good for the devs themselves to be mindful that > > people are paying real money for these games. > Hth, > -Michael. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
