Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
It would be great if I could have there skype info. Anyhow, I wonder why the viewer is complaining about video drivers being out of date. Shrug. I just this computer back in december. On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: I have no experience with eva or the cane. The guidedog, max, will read text chats and will soon be able to speak your current location, and hopefully things arround you. This is still at a very early I'd call it alpha stage at the moment, text chat was just put in last night. Hope this helps, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
In data astrale 22/09/2008 alle 23.50, Orin ha scritto: Sure it's worth the trouble. Once you get the dog, you can chat, and once you get the cane I asume you can navigate, to a limited degree. Yes, and once you get someone sighted to assist you. I really think We'd better wait for something to happen in the while time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] second life accessibility updates
Well, thing is, the guide dog and cane are available in a shop inworld, so you have to get the SL client working first. On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Matheus wrote: hi orin, i downloaded the game and the eva. but i can't find links for the guide dog and the other, if you can post it here, i whould like it. also, wen i try to run the second life, i receive the information that my videocard driver is outdated or note installed correctly.i'll try to download the new version... thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] second life accessibility updates
Hello, Where can we get the game? Milos Przic msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skipe: milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] second life accessibility updates Well, thing is, the guide dog and cane are available in a shop inworld, so you have to get the SL client working first. On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Matheus wrote: hi orin, i downloaded the game and the eva. but i can't find links for the guide dog and the other, if you can post it here, i whould like it. also, wen i try to run the second life, i receive the information that my videocard driver is outdated or note installed correctly.i'll try to download the new version... thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Hi. SL(Second life) is a virtual realitty world, i always wont to play it, is a big wolrd with a lot of stuff. I don't rememmber the oficial webpage, try second life onto google, is very interesgting. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates What is SL? - Original Message - From: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility UpdatesHi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]--- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Prueba los prototipos de los últimos en MSN Motor http://motor.es.msn.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
hi. i'm sure that i'll test it with you!!! ok, i downloaded the second life. now there are many extra downloads, like avatars etc. where i click to download the scripts, or screen readers that will read this game? realy thanks for the help. -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2008 22:17 Assunto: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
thanks - Original Message - From: Daniel Villalon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi. SL(Second life) is a virtual realitty world, i always wont to play it, is a big wolrd with a lot of stuff. I don't rememmber the oficial webpage, try second life onto google, is very interesgting. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates What is SL? - Original Message - From: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility UpdatesHi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]--- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Prueba los prototipos de los últimos en MSN Motor http://motor.es.msn.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
You'll need to have sighted help to get started. We're in an early stage of beta right now. The dog has the ability to speak chats and that's it. I'm talking with the author currently. If you can have someone help you get started that would be great. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
unfortunately, you'll need sighted help until you get the dog --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
The screen reader is Eva. From what I gather, the only things you'll need are the SL client and Eva. I wish I could get in contact with Luise like on Aim, MSN or something but everywhere you look they always say to contact her in-world. First I have to figure out how to do that. On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Matheus wrote: hi. i'm sure that i'll test it with you!!! ok, i downloaded the second life. now there are many extra downloads, like avatars etc. where i click to download the scripts, or screen readers that will read this game? realy thanks for the help. -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2008 22:17 Assunto: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Hmm. What about Eva? Thought that read text chats as well as things around you. Also, what about the cane? On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: unfortunately, you'll need sighted help until you get the dog --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
ok, i have eva and the sl program itself. but the problem of the videocard still continue... wen i click to download the driver, it opens another page, and another, and go to the page of the driver, and i can't download it. -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 22 de Setembro de 2008 15:03 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates The screen reader is Eva. From what I gather, the only things you'll need are the SL client and Eva. I wish I could get in contact with Luise like on Aim, MSN or something but everywhere you look they always say to contact her in-world. First I have to figure out how to do that. On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Matheus wrote: hi. i'm sure that i'll test it with you!!! ok, i downloaded the second life. now there are many extra downloads, like avatars etc. where i click to download the scripts, or screen readers that will read this game? realy thanks for the help. -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2008 22:17 Assunto: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
where do you get all the stuff. At 09:05 p.m. 22/09/2008, you wrote: hi. i'm sure that i'll test it with you!!! ok, i downloaded the second life. now there are many extra downloads, like avatars etc. where i click to download the scripts, or screen readers that will read this game? realy thanks for the help. -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2008 22:17 Assunto: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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not worth the trouble then. This means I can't casually gander, and have to put some effort in which means I then feel guilty if I don't play the thing. At 06:51 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: unfortunately, you'll need sighted help until you get the dog --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah. if only there was a way you could sign up accessibly and get the info you needed sent out or retrieved from the net and put in each time then fine. but well Its really not a thing I'd like to doodle with but it interested me anyway. At 08:31 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Sure it's worth the trouble. Once you get the dog, you can chat, and once you get the cane I asume you can navigate, to a limited degree. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:21 PM, shaun everiss wrote: not worth the trouble then. This means I can't casually gander, and have to put some effort in which means I then feel guilty if I don't play the thing. At 06:51 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: unfortunately, you'll need sighted help until you get the dog --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
That probably won't happen. If you guys aren't willing to take the extra effert, you'll never get past audio games which are actually going very downhill now at this point. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Matheus wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
You can sign up accessibly. I've done it. The viewer, however, won't run on either my windows, Mac on windows or old windows computer due to video card issues. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:29 PM, shaun everiss wrote: yeah. if only there was a way you could sign up accessibly and get the info you needed sent out or retrieved from the net and put in each time then fine. but well Its really not a thing I'd like to doodle with but it interested me anyway. At 08:31 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
yea i have the same problem. i can't run bekause the problem of videocard, but if the thing to register is easy and how to get the dog is easy and don't take much time, i can do that. i just say the other message, bekause how they say here i thinked that it'll be a trouble to get the dog. i'll try it on my other computer and see if it works. and yes i like these things, i like to try new games that aren't audiogames to see if i can play with other peoples and if it's accessible. thanks and best regards, Matheus -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 22 de Setembro de 2008 17:52 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates You can sign up accessibly. I've done it. The viewer, however, won't run on either my windows, Mac on windows or old windows computer due to video card issues. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:29 PM, shaun everiss wrote: yeah. if only there was a way you could sign up accessibly and get the info you needed sent out or retrieved from the net and put in each time then fine. but well Its really not a thing I'd like to doodle with but it interested me anyway. At 08:31 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Hmm, this sounds interesting. What's the object of it, if there is one? contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Just a cautionary note. There is no access whatsoever to the log on screen, or any other part of the program using a traditional reader such as jaws. I'm currently working with Louis and some other people to try to figure out a temperary solution for this. The guide dog, max, can now read text chat which is what eva can do at this time. I have louis, the developer of max, and some others on my skype list. I'll ask if I can give there names to you if you'd like. Thanks, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
what are the links to get the eva, clients and signups? if for anything else i may try again. At 09:52 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: You can sign up accessibly. I've done it. The viewer, however, won't run on either my windows, Mac on windows or old windows computer due to video card issues. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:29 PM, shaun everiss wrote: yeah. if only there was a way you could sign up accessibly and get the info you needed sent out or retrieved from the net and put in each time then fine. but well Its really not a thing I'd like to doodle with but it interested me anyway. At 08:31 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
I have no experience with eva or the cane. The guidedog, max, will read text chats and will soon be able to speak your current location, and hopefully things arround you. This is still at a very early I'd call it alpha stage at the moment, text chat was just put in last night. Hope this helps, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
I also like to try to get new things especially if the sighted can play em to. But if you have to do weird things to get it working from inside a non accessible environment then well. At 10:09 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea i have the same problem. i can't run bekause the problem of videocard, but if the thing to register is easy and how to get the dog is easy and don't take much time, i can do that. i just say the other message, bekause how they say here i thinked that it'll be a trouble to get the dog. i'll try it on my other computer and see if it works. and yes i like these things, i like to try new games that aren't audiogames to see if i can play with other peoples and if it's accessible. thanks and best regards, Matheus -Mensagem original- De: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 22 de Setembro de 2008 17:52 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates You can sign up accessibly. I've done it. The viewer, however, won't run on either my windows, Mac on windows or old windows computer due to video card issues. On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:29 PM, shaun everiss wrote: yeah. if only there was a way you could sign up accessibly and get the info you needed sent out or retrieved from the net and put in each time then fine. but well Its really not a thing I'd like to doodle with but it interested me anyway. At 08:31 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: yea shaun, actualy i think that it's a waste of time. if you still will need sighted assistance it still is inacessible. probably wen they fix the problem and make something to read all this stuff before in world, it'll be cool. -Mensagem original- De: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Terça, 23 de Setembro de 2008 08:11 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates well I actually installed eva and its speech tools and found I need to enter a number from within world. I tried the tools but got a nice error so they are uninstalled, I didn't even keep the links. Sounds like all this is a waste of time. If you need to get stuff working by going inworld first and inworld aint accessible then its no real solution at all. At 03:35 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: I have tried to open the SL client but Jaws doesn't read anything... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
I suggest you go to www.virtualability.org first and fill out the form to create an account. I suggest you use webvisum with firefox if you have it to solve the captcha as the audio captcha is barily understandable. My aim screen name is chrchmiker, add me and I can send you what you need. Please note you will need sighted help to log in and stuff at this time. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Rather than using eva, max can do this without a serial. If you have aim or something add me and I will send you max, the msi file. I suggest that if we want to make this useable and accessible we should try to stick with this and test any way we can. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
where do you download this max from. At 12:46 p.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: Rather than using eva, max can do this without a serial. If you have aim or something add me and I will send you max, the msi file. I suggest that if we want to make this useable and accessible we should try to stick with this and test any way we can. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
Not sure about the cane. The dog will allow you to chat, however navigating via the arrow keys isn't there yet and there's no sound to signify this. The coder is trying to get funding from lindin lab so he can work on this. THe goal is to eventually create a custom client, however, this will take some time. I'm just trying to give him ideas as to how to make the dog more windows like for a blind user. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
well mike I have msn if I thats ok with you. At 12:40 p.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote: Just a cautionary note. There is no access whatsoever to the log on screen, or any other part of the program using a traditional reader such as jaws. I'm currently working with Louis and some other people to try to figure out a temperary solution for this. The guide dog, max, can now read text chat which is what eva can do at this time. I have louis, the developer of max, and some others on my skype list. I'll ask if I can give there names to you if you'd like. Thanks, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
I have the msi installer. My skype name is miker1988 so you can add me and I can send it if you'd like. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
That's fine, my msn is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates
What is SL? - Original Message - From: Orin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Second Life accessibility Updates Hi all, Yesterday, while attempting to find updates on this project since the blind second life blog doesn't seem to be updating anymore with this new-found info, I'll say it below. Luise Later, an SL real life visually impaired (Not totally blind) user created both a cane and a guide dog, scripted, mind you, to alert us of portals etc when navigating. I don't know what the difference between the cane or guide dog are, or weather you need both of them, but regardless the items are free. She also uses a SL screen reader (Well I think it's being made into one) called EVA, which speaks objects around you. Don't ask me how that works. I just created my SL account from Virtual Ability which, BTW, makes the account sign up for second life as accessible as filling out a form. An accessible form, that is. Oh, did I mention audio captcha? And since I'm also sending this out to Mac lists, I'll just say this. I haven't tried the SL client yet with VoiceOver. Thus, I have yet to find out if you can even interact with anything for even just logging in. I guess logging into SL is accessible on the windows side. I'll be trying this all out tomorrow, asuming I don't have any homework. And before I forget, the cane/dog development team does have one totally blind developer, so it's not just VI working on the project. Sure, it's only one, but at least he's giving feedback to the project for totally blind users. The reason why we can't use it on Mac is just one problem, even if you can login with VO. Eva. Eva is for windows only. Without that, we can't communicate and hear what's around us. Okay. Well, here is the blog posting on the promotion of Luise's presentation on this which we all mist. http://tentacolor.com/2008/08/30/the-scripted-leading-the-blind Hope to see all you guys who like testing an incompleted product to come join me. I'd hate to do this alone with the team. Or, at least, I think I'd be the only one... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
