Hi.
We just had something like this happen to us just a few weeks ago.
anybody hear on the news about a storm that knocked out the Virginia and
West Virginia and Ohio areas? they said on the news that 80 percent of
West Virginia citizens were without power. Our power was off for 6 days.
It was
Hi all,
Can we please get back on topic here? I've noticed for the last couple
of days this subject has been drifting and I think we've gone too far
off topic now. So let's steer things back onto topic. One's religious
views or lack there of really has nothing to do with the subject of
braille and
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Hi dark,
When you consider the fact that you cannot destroy energy, when you use it
in 1 fass
, 2012 6:16 PM
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> Hi Dark,
> well I am an atheist so I think that there is no such thing as an after
> life in the sense that the bible talks about it.
> I think either we sto
at's why i count myself as a total agnostic on life after death, as in
fact most philosophers are.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Hi Dark,
well I am an atheist so I think that there is no such thing as an after
life in the sense that the bible talks about it.
I think either we stop existing entirely, or maybe we get absorbed into
the environment and affect the atmosphere of a place.
I certainly don't think we reincarnate
ic on the subject, but i don't see it as bad
either way, and there are life circumstances under which suicide is a
totally rational choice.
Beware the grue!
dark.
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Hi Thom,
I said i was willing to be proved wrong. Thanks for the info!
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Hi Darren,
Oh, absolutely. That's why I use Linux as my primary operating sys
I also aggree with you alex I am a braille user havn't used it in ages though.
A major push is going for braille use.
The major issue is that electronic braillers are not computers.
Sure basic stuff can be done, sertain functions email office maybe a
little gaming and maybe some other bits and bo
Hi Ben,
On the contrary you are not correct. The Odyssey is one of two epic
poems believed to be written by Homer. According to Wikipedia it was
written during the 8th century B.C. Here is the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey
if you want more facts about the Odyssey.
Cheers!
On 8/7/12,
Hi Dark,
You are correct. Homer wrote the Odyssey as well as the Iliad. Virgil
transcribed the Odyssey into Latin about 800 years after the original
was written. I don't have the exact dates committed to memory here,
but most scholars believe the Odyssey was committed to paper around
the late 7th
Hi Dark,
just curious, what engineers have there been in the past who are blind?
I can't name that many historical famous blind people.
I know of I think a handful, Louis Braille obviously, John Millton, then
there was the king of bohemia think it was in the 12th or 13th century.
To give him cred
e the Grue!
Dark.
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Actually dark your wrong, from w
mind.
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Behalf Of dark
Sent: 07 August 2012 18:25
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Hi Alex.
Actually on the
actually a similar thing happened to me a couple of years ago, when we had
literally three foot of snow and I couldn't get out, still worse the
heating completely broke, though luckily the power was still on.
I now have several packs of tins in my outhouse just in case, and several
candle
HiYohandy,
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to remap or reassign keys in NVDA.
NVDA's screen review commands are based on the old ASAP screen reader
rather than Jaws which is a big reason why it is unfamiliar to you.
However, once you get use to it the screen review isn't that bad. It
even make
Hi Alex.
Actually on the historical contributions of blind people there are more than
you think, blind poets and engineers, indeed under some historical
interpretations Homer, author of the most ancient griek epics like the odisy
was said to be blind, sinse obviously in a society which prized
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Hi Dark,
lol, your message made me smile, the part about the early humans.
To respond to it, if we are playing the what if game, if we had an
apocalypse we also wouldn't have the equipment for mak
Hi Dark,
Point well taken. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of
people living today lack basic survival skills. When there was the big
hype over y2k in the late 1990's a survey was done to determine how
many people had the basic survival skills to live several days or even
months wit
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Hi Alex,
Well,i don't know if I necessarily agree with your end of the world
scenario, since it seems rather far fetched, but I would agree that all our
so-c
Hi Dark,
lol, your message made me smile, the part about the early humans.
To respond to it, if we are playing the what if game, if we had an
apocalypse we also wouldn't have the equipment for making frames and
styluses lol.
I suppose your right though, in an apocalypse I suspect almost all blin
Hi Alex,
Well,i don't know if I necessarily agree with your end of the world
scenario, since it seems rather far fetched, but I would agree that
all our so-called technology requires power. I have found myself in
the situation where we have a bad storm where the power goes out for
several hours, a
Hi Alex.
I had a very similar experience as far as school goes. I'm afraid though,
while I do agree braille still has some minority uses, I'm not entirely
convinced by the "if the power went" arguement. Under that reasoning, well
shouldn't we all also stop using our electric ovens and learn to
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Screen review is the reason I don't use NVDA to be honest. I've no idea how
to use the feature, and it doesn't appear to be well documented. in fact
7;d definitely appreciate some help
on this feature. also can people reassign keyboard layouts on NVDA? I'd love
to make it more like jaws if possible.
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Hi list, I have been reading this thread with interest.
speaking as someone who grew up using braille for the hole of what in
the UK is known as primary school, and in the US as elementary school as
well as for part of my secondary or highschool education I certainly
think braille will not be a
Another issue tom is that all organisations here don't understand other oses.
a lot of companies have contracts with 1 or more of the main previders.
So unless those corperations switched we whould still have the issue.
in some places I worked in they only recognised jaws.
in a test subject I did
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Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolutely right that cost of producing braille material
and using braille is far beyond the me
there are not to many braille computers.
the humanware stuff is windows ce but no games exist for that platform really.
there is the pack mate which is parmos and therefore has a better
time with programs but still.
At 06:50 a.m. 7/08/2012 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolut
Well I hope that this stuff comes soon.
A brailled apple device, windows phone or tablet or android device
would just be plain nerdy and with speech to.
all we need is tactile pictures on devices and we would be set.
At 11:44 a.m. 7/08/2012 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
Up until recently I would'
If all the blind tech dropped in price then I would be happy to get it.
braille is making a resergence in the education arieas here.
We don't get laptops we get braille displays now.
ofcause the units we use can cost from 7000 to 3 bucks depending
on where we get them from and I think they ar
Hi Tom.
I'm not sure about the penfriend and the us I'm afraid, sinse I got one from
the rnib here directly rather than from a different company, indeed I've
been amazed that the rnib sold something so usefull :D.
As regards braille displays, well the main problem is that currently the
brail
Hi Darren,
Oh, absolutely. That's why I use Linux as my primary operating system
these days. The cost of computer hardware has come down, most Windows
software is reasonably priced, but the cost of adaptive tech such as
screen readers and OCR programs like Openbook remain extremely high in
contras
Hi Dark,
I'll have to look around for a penfriend and try it out. I've never
seen one before, and you are the only person I know of who has one. So
perhaps they aren't widely in circulation here in the States.
However, I'll admit, for the sake of argument, it does sound easier
for someone to manag
clusively the better.
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Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolutely right that cost of producing braille
material and using braille is far beyond the means of any average
blind person. That is definitely one of the leading causes of why
braille is dying out among the blind community. Its just too high to
be practical for some
Hi Tom.
Up until recently I would've fully agreed with you that despite advances in
computer technology, the instant access braille provides for lables and
other bits of information is absolutely irriplaceable. However, the
penfriend has largely for me replaced the function braille used to per
Hi tom
I agree with dark in that the cost of braille devices is still way beyond
the average person's means. Basically braille is being killed by the price
tag attached to it.
Take a brailler for example, they are about £400 or something like that
anyway. they aren't portable, they're clunky, noi
Hi Dark,
Sadly, you are probably right. The number of people who claim braille
is no longer needed, braille is no longer useful, braille is outdated,
etc has been growing steadily over the last 20 years as computer
technology has improved. There are certain elements within the
American special edu
Hi tom.
if braille displays were cheaper I'd agree, but the money involved is just
too much for most private individuals to afford, which is why many blind
people don't have them sinse the only way your going to get that sort of
money is out of the state, and the state can vary on what they pr
Hi Nick,
Well, the problem with using a braille display in a game like Lone
Wolf is that the game is in real time. Some times it requires making a
split decision and I'd rather not take my hands of the keyboard to
look at the braille display when I need access to something quick. In
my opinion bra
Hi Tom.
I'm not using letters as such, more the shape. because of ownership reasons i
can't make it to close to the original, but hopefully it'll have all the things
that make tetris fun with out getting me sued.
if this works thenit does present a number of avenues of investigation, sudoko
cou
Hi Dark,
Certainly the fact the game will require an expensive braille display
is a bit of a downer, but I think over all it is a worthwhile
project. I've played Tetris before I lost my sight and the audio
versions really didn't offer the same kind of experience. I think what
Nick is doing here i
012 11:50 PM
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Thanks
I think dotris is worth per-sewing I won't be forcing anyone to play it.
Nick.
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Hi Nick,
Thankfully you're not developing a side scroller, arcade game, or FPS
title,
so you don't have
Hi Tom.
I think the specific applications of braille are just getting fewer and
fewer. For instance, up until recently i'd have agreed that braille was
needed to lable items like dvds or cooker controls, but the pen friend can
actually do that far more quickly and easily than in braille.
Dit
Hi Dark,
Well, as with everything else in life I think how useful a braille
display is depends on what a person uses it for. I've found plenty of
times where a braille display comes in handy. Especially, when it
comes to proofreading my e-mails, writing code, or just reading an
e-book rather than
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Hi Ryan,
Can you send one of those displays over here? :D.
I'm afraid I disagree on the rehab front, sinse in the Uk it depe
isolussioned with braille as a writing medium full
stop, and that from someone who has read braille sinse he was five.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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