Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi, Just out of curiosity, why do you spell Amiga "Amigar'? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:38 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info Hi tom. Your point about computers and consoles is exactly right, indeed while I was growing up it was very common to have versions of the same game such as final fight, ghouls n ghosts, golden axe or streetfighter 2 to be out for consoles like the snes, and home computers like the Amigar as well. Of course, due to markiting things are changing rapidly, with new adverts advertizing video games, and the term computer now only applying to certain devices which are not necessarily game related. Though certainly if you go around on the net you'll discover people using the term computer games stil, especially of people who play things like roguelikes, which are undoubtedly played on a computer, but certainly involve very litle "video" elements in terms of graphics. i actually had to think terminology out last year when we had a big clean up of the game genres on audiogames.net. that was quite interesting sinse several genres had to be specially thought up, for instance I thought it was a good idea as there are now so many space invaders games to have that as it's own genre different from arcade games. The full info on classifications can be found at http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=Genres And we did a similar one for license types as well, whih is at http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=licenses I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on these, and also if people have any questions. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3807 - Release Date: 08/03/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi Dark, I've never understood the whole Lone Wofl classification. Why doesn't it qualify for the adventure category? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:16 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info Hi Tom. Yes, these terms were made basically for convenience and according to what was around at the time, however the point of classifications in the database was to help people identify what a game is like, or search for a style of game, for instance Brian wanting stratogy games for research. At the same time though, there need to be a few games to make splitting them off and giving them an overall classification worth while, which was why space invaders games got it's own classification as we have so many of them it made litle sense to just lump them all in the arcade catagory. Action, adventure and arcade games are thus far classifications more about the point and focus of the game than about it's view. if it's mainly about points, it's an arcade game, eg, pipe. If it's mainly about exploration, thinking through puzles and such it's an adventure game, which is why Sarah, terraformers, and mota were classified that way. If it's more about the action, eg, fast reflexes, but not really based upon points, eg, superliam and shades of doom, it's action. i freely admit this system isn't perfect, but it is intended to give an idea of what sort of a game something generally is, but also try to create catagories that have a point to them. for instance, i had a debate with Cx2 one of our other long standing mods about whether to have a simulation catagory. The problem is, such a catagory would only at the time have Lone wolf and gma tank commander in it, and now 3D velosity. However, three games don't really make a catagory, especially when their actual gameplay is so different. this did unfortunately make lone wolf a litle difficult to catagorize and one reason it's in the misc catagory at the moment, but that was better than the alternative. It is true that with more side scrollers that might need to be a catagory on it's own too, though I find myself a litle concerned that a game like Mota with heavy exploration elements could end up catagorized as the same style as something like Q9 which is pure action/arcade. Ditto with economic vs war stratogy, and turn based vs real time. Of course, the sensible thing would be to introduce two catagories as you have, genre and style, and maybe if Sander and richard rework the site we may be able to do that, but at the second that's not really possible. Perhaps we will considder a side scroller catagory in future. I'm also thinking that as we're now having more stratogy games produced, maybe a specific catagory for war stratogy games to distinguish something like Castaways or sound rts from something like Lunimals might be an idea. I will say though, having far more good quality games to put into the database and classify is a really nice problem to be stuck with ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3807 - Release Date: 08/03/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi Tom. Yes, these terms were made basically for convenience and according to what was around at the time, however the point of classifications in the database was to help people identify what a game is like, or search for a style of game, for instance Brian wanting stratogy games for research. At the same time though, there need to be a few games to make splitting them off and giving them an overall classification worth while, which was why space invaders games got it's own classification as we have so many of them it made litle sense to just lump them all in the arcade catagory. Action, adventure and arcade games are thus far classifications more about the point and focus of the game than about it's view. if it's mainly about points, it's an arcade game, eg, pipe. If it's mainly about exploration, thinking through puzles and such it's an adventure game, which is why Sarah, terraformers, and mota were classified that way. If it's more about the action, eg, fast reflexes, but not really based upon points, eg, superliam and shades of doom, it's action. i freely admit this system isn't perfect, but it is intended to give an idea of what sort of a game something generally is, but also try to create catagories that have a point to them. for instance, i had a debate with Cx2 one of our other long standing mods about whether to have a simulation catagory. The problem is, such a catagory would only at the time have Lone wolf and gma tank commander in it, and now 3D velosity. However, three games don't really make a catagory, especially when their actual gameplay is so different. this did unfortunately make lone wolf a litle difficult to catagorize and one reason it's in the misc catagory at the moment, but that was better than the alternative. It is true that with more side scrollers that might need to be a catagory on it's own too, though I find myself a litle concerned that a game like Mota with heavy exploration elements could end up catagorized as the same style as something like Q9 which is pure action/arcade. Ditto with economic vs war stratogy, and turn based vs real time. Of course, the sensible thing would be to introduce two catagories as you have, genre and style, and maybe if Sander and richard rework the site we may be able to do that, but at the second that's not really possible. Perhaps we will considder a side scroller catagory in future. I'm also thinking that as we're now having more stratogy games produced, maybe a specific catagory for war stratogy games to distinguish something like Castaways or sound rts from something like Lunimals might be an idea. I will say though, having far more good quality games to put into the database and classify is a really nice problem to be stuck with ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi Dark, Yes, I see your point. I read the link to the Audiogames.net article on game genres and it seems fairly well thought out. Although the catagory for arcade seems rather broad considering the variety of subgenres that could be classified as arcade. For instance, you created a subgenre called Space Invaders although I believe there is a more technical name for that style of game. If I'm not mistaken they use to be called virtical shooters or something like that. That's actually only one example of arcade games. A game like Double Dragon is an arcade game too, but it would be classified as a beat-m-up or side-scroller. Its about as far from a virtical shooter as you can get and still be arcade based. So I do think given time as this community grows and more games are added you might want to add in more subgenres like beat-m-ups or a side-scrollers genre as I'm seeing more of this style of game being produced over the last couple of years. Q9, MOTA, and Philip's new game are not just action or arcade games, but might end up becoming a genre or class of their own. However, you are absolutely right. Some games are hard to classify and its for that reason why on my web pages I usually have a genre and style description in the game features section on my website. That way I can say game x is arcade and it is Pacman style etc. It clarifies both the genre and style of the game being downloaded and played. Cheers! On 7/29/11, dark wrote: > Hi tom. > > Your point about computers and consoles is exactly right, indeed while I was > growing up it was very common to have versions of the same game such as > final fight, ghouls n ghosts, golden axe or streetfighter 2 to be out for > consoles like the snes, and home computers like the Amigar as well. > > Of course, due to markiting things are changing rapidly, with new adverts > advertizing video games, and the term computer now only applying to certain > devices which are not necessarily game related. > > Though certainly if you go around on the net you'll discover people using > the term computer games stil, especially of people who play things like > roguelikes, which are undoubtedly played on a computer, but certainly > involve very litle "video" elements in terms of graphics. > > i actually had to think terminology out last year when we had a big clean up > of the game genres on audiogames.net. > > that was quite interesting sinse several genres had to be specially thought > up, for instance I thought it was a good idea as there are now so many space > invaders games to have that as it's own genre different from arcade games. > > The full info on classifications can be found at > http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=Genres > > And we did a similar one for license types as well, whih is at > http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=licenses > > I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on these, and also if people > have any questions. > > all the best, > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi tom. Your point about computers and consoles is exactly right, indeed while I was growing up it was very common to have versions of the same game such as final fight, ghouls n ghosts, golden axe or streetfighter 2 to be out for consoles like the snes, and home computers like the Amigar as well. Of course, due to markiting things are changing rapidly, with new adverts advertizing video games, and the term computer now only applying to certain devices which are not necessarily game related. Though certainly if you go around on the net you'll discover people using the term computer games stil, especially of people who play things like roguelikes, which are undoubtedly played on a computer, but certainly involve very litle "video" elements in terms of graphics. i actually had to think terminology out last year when we had a big clean up of the game genres on audiogames.net. that was quite interesting sinse several genres had to be specially thought up, for instance I thought it was a good idea as there are now so many space invaders games to have that as it's own genre different from arcade games. The full info on classifications can be found at http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=Genres And we did a similar one for license types as well, whih is at http://audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=licenses I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on these, and also if people have any questions. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Game Terminology was General Gaming Info
Hi Dark, That's very interesting. Over hear in the USA most electronic games are generically referred to as video games regardless of the platform or console being used. We, that is to say Americans, divide video games up into two catagories console and computer/PC games. So if you talk to someone over hear and call a game a "computer game" they will most likely think you mean a PC game. Whereby if you say "console game" they will think of a game for Play Station, Wii, Xbox, or something like that. If you say "mobile game" they will automatically assume you mean a game for a phone or similar mobile device. The funny thing is you are exactly correct though. All video games are essentially computer games. The popular consoles weather we are talking the Atari 2600 to the latest Xbox are essentially specialized computers designed for games. I suppose that's just because even though something like your average Apple IPhone is essentually a smart phone with a computer in it we don't think of it necessarily as a computer but as a phone. Therefore calling games for an IPhone a "computer game" would be correct but sound weird to some people here. So we have a very generic name "video game" to describe them regardless of if it plays on a phone, special console, or a personal computer. Cheers! On 7/29/11, dark wrote: > Hi tom. > > > As an amusing terminology point, when i was growing up the term "video > games" was largely thought of as an american one, and most people over here > just called them computer games, even when you were actually playing on a > games console, probably because the Amigar, Comador 64, zx spectrum and > similar as very common games playing computers were around in England as a > very common household item in the 80's and early 90's. > > That's why I myself tend to use the term computer games as a catch all term, > then distinguish audio games, graphical games or text games depending upon > the interface. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
