Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles
Hi, Well, from a strictly Christian point of view your heart and mind are suppose to belong to God. Therefore not only are your actions suppose to be pure but your thoughts should be as well. Many Christians believe that by watching certain movies, playing certain video games, reading certain books, your thoughts will be filled with sin, worldliness, and take your mind off of God. You'll be distracted by things like extreme violence, sex, and alternative values rather than being pure in mind as well as deed. Personally I don't feel by playing a violent fighting game or playing an adult interactive fiction game that makes me a bad person. However, like you I wouldn't necessarily let my five year old son play them. Some of the games I've played are over the top when it comes to blood, guts, and gore. While that might be suitable content for an adult watching a guys brains get blown out of the back of his head is certainly not childhood content. It is far too graphic and is overkill when it comes to the blood, guts, and gore factor in my opinion. In that sense I agree with the article Nicol posted. Some of the games are too violent, and could tame down some of the blood, guts, and gore factor. When it comes to the adult interactive fiction games like yours I see it in the same light as pornography. I don't have a problem with pornography as long as it is between two consenting adults, and it doesn't get too carried away. A Christian may disagree with me on religious grounds, but I'm of an age to decide weather I can or can not purchase material like that or not. In the end it is a matter of choice here. Raul A. Gallegos wrote: It's kind of funny. Someone emailed me the other day asking me that if I am a Christian, why did I make an adult-oriented game. And truth be told, regardless of my beliefs, I look at music, games, and television as simply that. Music, games, and television. I know that my game is not real and that the people in it are not real. All which can be done is hope that the person playing my game, or any game for that matter, know that the games are not real. I have a wife and kids and I would not want my kids playing my adult game, but if my kids were adults and wanted to do so, more power to them. Live and let live is what should be done. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles
I am a liberal jew and we can decide for ourselves what we want to play. I think this makes a lot of sense, as I do not think it matters to g-d what I play as long as I do not harm anyone else. We are encouraged to think and judge for ourselves as to what is appropriate and good for us. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Louise Keel And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles
Hi Nicol, I think the thing to keep in mind here is it it is all a matter of perspective. As far as a Christian articles goes the articles you posted were will written, fairly balanced, and does a fairly decent job of explain the Christian point of view. They were fair in saying games such as sports games like Basketball, Baseball, etc are perfectly ok to play while condemning games like mortal Kombat for being too violent. This is to be expected seeing as a game like Mortal Kombat would definitely not per mote good Christian values. I think the over all thing too remember here is not to become a religious extremist, and try and tell everybody what they can read, play, watch, do, etc. There are things I personally disagree with such as the fact the article says that magic is evil, satanic, and an abomination to God. I know that the bible does indeed say this, but some religious groups takes it to extremes such as condemning all books, games, movies, etc that has the slightest hint of magic. In the passed Christians use to burn people at the stake or hang them for practicing witchcraft and magic regardless if it was good or evil, white magic or black magic, harmless or harmful. All are examples of how someone can take things to extremes. Weather magic is evil or not is completely a matter of perspective. Many Christians are raised to believe magic is evil, sinful, and are encouraged to avoided. As a result they reject books, movies, games, toys, and even groups that practices magic. Since the bible discourages magic they think their opinion is right and justified. However, someone born as a Wiccan would completely disagree. Wiccans believe in practicing white magic for such uses as love, fertility, healing, and other righteous purposes. A true Wiccan would never use magic to harm or hurt another person. So obviously they would not believe themselves or the practicing of white magic as evil. never-the-less many Christians would insist that the Wiccans were evil sinners. After all, it hasn't been that long ago when Christians were burning witches at the stake for doing nothing more harmful than fixing a healing potion made from natural herbs to cure someone's sickness. Bottom line, I think we all need to use our personal judgment when determining what is good or evil rather than take it from someone else. I play various roll playing games like Sryth that are in my opinion harmless, but a Christian would declare as evil because of the magic, undead creatures, and other accult elements in the game. Rather than base my opinion on some minister's point of view i look at the aim or intent of the game, and compare it to my own personal values and beliefs. I would never play anything that I personally disagreed with, and certainly wouldn't tell others with different opinions not to play game x. I believe that everyone has the freedom, the right, to make his or her own decisions provided they don't harm others in the process. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles
It's kind of funny. Someone emailed me the other day asking me that if I am a Christian, why did I make an adult-oriented game. And truth be told, regardless of my beliefs, I look at music, games, and television as simply that. Music, games, and television. I know that my game is not real and that the people in it are not real. All which can be done is hope that the person playing my game, or any game for that matter, know that the games are not real. I have a wife and kids and I would not want my kids playing my adult game, but if my kids were adults and wanted to do so, more power to them. Live and let live is what should be done. On 9/9/2009 2:56 PM, Louise Keel wrote: Hi everyone. I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by its radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some doing! The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer and video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are parents. But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right to tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is up to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up Old Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it into my head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game! And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. Best Lulu Keel. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles
One of my online friends is a Jehova's witness, and she loves her audiogames. So I think we ought to be careful, before we start generalizing. - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "gamers" Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called "watchtower library" that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. I have put all 3 articles in one document. The link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/l6scia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles
Hi everyone. I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by its radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some doing! The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer and video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are parents. But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right to tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is up to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up Old Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it into my head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game! And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. Best Lulu Keel. Now faith, hope, love abide, these three. But the greatest of these is love. - Original Message - From: "ChB" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who force their beliefs on their kids or abandon them when they try to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list when responding to something like this. Many thanks. On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called "watchtower library" that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 4411 (20090909) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles
To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who force their beliefs on their kids or abandon them when they try to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list when responding to something like this. Many thanks. On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote: > Hi all > My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. > I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding > that I do not find Jesus amongst them. > Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. > The articles comes from a software package called "watchtower library" > that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. > So my mom pulled the articles from there. > 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video > gaming. > Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find > interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is > an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an > article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. > I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second > articles. > The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient > days. > Please let me know what you think about these articles. > Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others > might differ from me. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles
The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list when responding to something like this. Many thanks. On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called "watchtower library" that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles
Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called "watchtower library" that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. I have put all 3 articles in one document. The link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/l6scia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
