Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List
Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List
I agree wit you. Thomas was one of the few people whose messages to the list I actually read with any consistency because I was always interested in what he had to say. If I'm angry at anyone it's those people who've been harrassing and criticizing him for every little thing just because MOTA and Raceway didn't come out right when they wanted. ANd it infuriates me to know that we may now never see those games come to light. And if we do we'll be bloody lucky! We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Petr Bláha hammet...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List
I am sorry to hear this. All this is a kind of big crap because of many things that happen and that have happened. I respect the relatively new developer here, Jeremy, for his work. And I will continue to respect him. I respect David and Jim too. I respect Tom for his work, and his knowledge and his opinions he expressed by time. Yes, he likes to express himself in a way of long messages and such, and yes, he progresses slowly, but he progresses. And Che promissed a fighting game a year or two before. There is no trace of it. So he is the one that doesn't have the right to say what he have said about Tom. Here at us there is a stereotype that the Americans are generally stupid. Tom, Jeremy and some others made me think it's only a stereotype, but most of the other Americans I have met over Internet and other ways confirmed the stereotype. So the american stupidity combined with the blind selfishness would make me react like Tom. So Jeremy, Jim, David (if David is reading this), keep up the good work. Tom, I respect your decision and am not going to blaim you as you are right to do this. Others, or most of others, shame on you. Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Petr Bláha hammet...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List
Hi Thomas. I think this is really sad that you feel you have to do this. I haven't been on this list for long but I find that you are kind and helpful and you put a lot of hard work in to your games. I think you will be sadly missed. Thanks for all your hard work. Amanda -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List
Well said. Thomas, you will be missed, as will your incredible works. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List I am sorry to hear this. All this is a kind of big crap because of many things that happen and that have happened. I respect the relatively new developer here, Jeremy, for his work. And I will continue to respect him. I respect David and Jim too. I respect Tom for his work, and his knowledge and his opinions he expressed by time. Yes, he likes to express himself in a way of long messages and such, and yes, he progresses slowly, but he progresses. And Che promissed a fighting game a year or two before. There is no trace of it. So he is the one that doesn't have the right to say what he have said about Tom. Here at us there is a stereotype that the Americans are generally stupid. Tom, Jeremy and some others made me think it's only a stereotype, but most of the other Americans I have met over Internet and other ways confirmed the stereotype. So the american stupidity combined with the blind selfishness would make me react like Tom. So Jeremy, Jim, David (if David is reading this), keep up the good work. Tom, I respect your decision and am not going to blaim you as you are right to do this. Others, or most of others, shame on you. Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Petr Bláha hammet...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
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Yes, i absolutely agree Milos. But stupid blind people who thing that world is cycling around them are everywhere. I know lots of them in Czech republic as well. They can't imagine how much tame it takes to look after family, for children, earn money to make life better etc etc. On 20.7.2011 13:17, Milos Przic wrote: I am sorry to hear this. All this is a kind of big crap because of many things that happen and that have happened. I respect the relatively new developer here, Jeremy, for his work. And I will continue to respect him. I respect David and Jim too. I respect Tom for his work, and his knowledge and his opinions he expressed by time. Yes, he likes to express himself in a way of long messages and such, and yes, he progresses slowly, but he progresses. And Che promissed a fighting game a year or two before. There is no trace of it. So he is the one that doesn't have the right to say what he have said about Tom. Here at us there is a stereotype that the Americans are generally stupid. Tom, Jeremy and some others made me think it's only a stereotype, but most of the other Americans I have met over Internet and other ways confirmed the stereotype. So the american stupidity combined with the blind selfishness would make me react like Tom. So Jeremy, Jim, David (if David is reading this), keep up the good work. Tom, I respect your decision and am not going to blaim you as you are right to do this. Others, or most of others, shame on you. Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Petr Bláha hammet...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
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Two true Thomas you will be missed. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Amanda Burt amanda.bu...@btinternet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Hi Thomas. I think this is really sad that you feel you have to do this. I haven't been on this list for long but I find that you are kind and helpful and you put a lot of hard work in to your games. I think you will be sadly missed. Thanks for all your hard work. Amanda -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi all, I totally agree! I think Thomas is a great person and will always be missed because of his ability to give advice and help to those who needs. I have to admit that I myself am still waiting for those new games of USA Games, but that I don't ask every day - like some people here do - when will those games come. So, I appreciate Thomas' excellent work and will always do. Kind regards, Konsta Ranta --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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i for one am sorry you are leaving the list but i wish you nothing but the best in what ever you do . lee In a message dated 7/20/2011 6:10:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thomasward1...@gmail.com writes: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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James north made some big mistakes though. The preorder thing was one of these things. Having and then not meeting deadlines was another. That was inexperience on his part but then we had never had any experience with this sort of thing. Mostly most of us are ok. There are a small few that would mangle things but its not that bad. If you view this as a vertual world we have a few issues, wars, etc. This is just a small one of these. If we are lucky tom will come back, it will blow over and it will be good. We have been at peace for at least 2-3 years maybe more maybe 10 or more or less at least 5, we will have more again. I have lost interest in mota myself but thats mainly due to the fact with my schedual and stuff I have really not had enough time to master the jumping systems. Pluss with the latest bits and bobs its a bit complex. In fairness tom is trying to make stuff that noone has. That essentually means he is on his own with the new ways. Ok, Though I have a few issues. I have never mentioned them but since this seems to be a time to pour out our rages I will. I dislike, no strongly dislike the fact that after getting a working system out for audio and things, that tom had to change things so much. Ok, I was not against the changes, technically these made sence, we need to keep updated with new technologies, its just the way of the universe. However to chop and change engines, libraries etc especially when you have taken on a project or 2 which are not your own, and then trying to make a multiplatform engine is probably not the best when you have everything working for you. For example, beta 15 of mota was quite stable. ANd I'd have probably left everything alone at least till v1 of the game came out then worked on trying to update things. All the hastles and issues, especially after the issues with sound in beta 14 and issues with crashes in beta 16. maybe tom was doing to much at once. I know my limits and I know if I do 400 things at once I probably would forget some of those. I often did when I did pascal and javascript programming. I'd frequently forget to to put capitals on var for instance or forget a output command or a variable. At 11:02 p.m. 20/07/2011, you wrote: Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience in the business. Having been college educated in VB, C++, Java, etc I have at the very least an educated opinion for why I say what I say and do what I do. I've tried my best not to insult other developers, be fair when giving my opinions, but apparently Che and others decided to take it personally, in return insulted me, and that I can not and will not put up with. So I'm leaving. Either Che goes or I go, but we can not coexist on this list without killing each other first. So I'm leaving. So long and fair well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
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I also aggree with you brian. Though I may critisise tome for a lot of things he has generally been good. And I guess we have learned another lesson out of this. That is never to do more than you could handle. In addition to his own work tom took on 3 projects that were not his one. Fine. He decided to work on those. Fine. Let it not be forgotten that when he was almost done with monti he had copywrite issues. He was almost done. He decided to make the game with his own ideas. Fine. At this point he should have stayed with basic concepts that we were all used to, stayed with windows and not bothered with anything else. Then put the new things in a update. He decides to write an engine, a rather large task by anyone's standards. He has asked people what to do in each hard choice and has always written. If any concerns had come up then from people I am sure he would have listened. Not that I accuse anyone though. His mistake was trying to impliment new tech in beta stage before the first 1.0 release. Ie multiplatform support, new libraries etc. This caused no end of trouble for him. Which understandably got people frustrated. Though he always asked if it was ok to delay. What I don't understand is why no one brought this up a bit ago. I don't mean just in messages but when he asked for delays in production. Its clear to me an outsider with little knowledge of polotics in this small world, that this has been building for a while. I have always been happy to continue with whatever tom has chosen. In hinesight not that we can make decisions with that in mind since thats really after that that happens. I'd actually would have not answered yes to either the multiplatform changes when it was first proposed or even when tom was just going to release all projects as is then move to his own coding. If I had known he would try to do to many things then I wouldn't have answered yes to the poles. Ok granted, his ambicians were noble and still are. But its clear that again the wait has been to long for some people, actually it maybe more than some. I am not sure if we did not express ourselves or what. No where though have I seen people asking or suggestiing to go with stuff without getting more changes. I wander if this is the assertiveness of the community in question. To be honest I have no real idea I am just an outsider. I've probably gone to far now but I think this needs saying even if this means I don't post again for a bit. At 11:12 p.m. 20/07/2011, you wrote: I agree wit you. Thomas was one of the few people whose messages to the list I actually read with any consistency because I was always interested in what he had to say. If I'm angry at anyone it's those people who've been harrassing and criticizing him for every little thing just because MOTA and Raceway didn't come out right when they wanted. ANd it infuriates me to know that we may now never see those games come to light. And if we do we'll be bloody lucky! We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Petr Bláha hammet...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed
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I don't either. Heck I could ask for a lot of things. Ie I really need to sort my issue with the railracer licence I have but 2.0 is going out one day so I will wait for that and I havn't been playing for ages. I guess I could pester liam about mu judgement day licence, but I don't even though its been 2 months now since I asked for one. though I did ask again last week in case his messages did not work. I have been trying to move the computer to a secondary position though so I don't waste time on here in general, here meaning the computer as a hole, net, email, games, etc. Thats one reason I don't use any major social networks like twitter, or facebook I'd be for ever replying to something. same goes with my phone. At 11:26 p.m. 20/07/2011, you wrote: Hi all, I totally agree! I think Thomas is a great person and will always be missed because of his ability to give advice and help to those who needs. I have to admit that I myself am still waiting for those new games of USA Games, but that I don't ask every day - like some people here do - when will those games come. So, I appreciate Thomas' excellent work and will always do. Kind regards, Konsta Ranta --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Uh...no. BETA 15 was not stable. It was one of the BETAs that crashed because Thomas was using SFML. BETAs 16, 17, and 18 were all stable releases. I just hope that he finishes mOTA and Raceway, rejoins the list, or both of the above. Just a note, I just checked the site, and as of now, it is apparently closed. We will just have to see. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:27 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm Leaving the List James north made some big mistakes though. The preorder thing was one of these things. Having and then not meeting deadlines was another. That was inexperience on his part but then we had never had any experience with this sort of thing. Mostly most of us are ok. There are a small few that would mangle things but its not that bad. If you view this as a vertual world we have a few issues, wars, etc. This is just a small one of these. If we are lucky tom will come back, it will blow over and it will be good. We have been at peace for at least 2-3 years maybe more maybe 10 or more or less at least 5, we will have more again. I have lost interest in mota myself but thats mainly due to the fact with my schedual and stuff I have really not had enough time to master the jumping systems. Pluss with the latest bits and bobs its a bit complex. In fairness tom is trying to make stuff that noone has. That essentually means he is on his own with the new ways. Ok, Though I have a few issues. I have never mentioned them but since this seems to be a time to pour out our rages I will. I dislike, no strongly dislike the fact that after getting a working system out for audio and things, that tom had to change things so much. Ok, I was not against the changes, technically these made sence, we need to keep updated with new technologies, its just the way of the universe. However to chop and change engines, libraries etc especially when you have taken on a project or 2 which are not your own, and then trying to make a multiplatform engine is probably not the best when you have everything working for you. For example, beta 15 of mota was quite stable. ANd I'd have probably left everything alone at least till v1 of the game came out then worked on trying to update things. All the hastles and issues, especially after the issues with sound in beta 14 and issues with crashes in beta 16. maybe tom was doing to much at once. I know my limits and I know if I do 400 things at once I probably would forget some of those. I often did when I did pascal and javascript programming. I'd frequently forget to to put capitals on var for instance or forget a output command or a variable. At 11:02 p.m. 20/07/2011, you wrote: Some blind people and their oppinions forced James Nord to leave this list, and now, after a few years Thomas Ward had to do the same. Many people here should think of their behaviour and should leave this list instead of Thomas. I get many mails from this list per day and in about 80 percent i have say that it is - just a rubbish. Mesages from Thomas and the few other members belongs to that 20 percent which are useful and it is not waste of time to read them. So im seriously thinking of leave this list to, cause i am very busy with my job, with mi family, and i don't have a time to read only bullshits. On 20.7.2011 12:10, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to say effective immediately I am leaving the Audyssy list, am resigning as comoderator for reasons of my last post, and will likely be closing USA Games for a few months. I've reached a point where I can not exist on this list or any other list with certain members of this community, and I've been pushed personally beyond my ability to put up with the crap. I tried doing my best to give helpful information, to take extra time and energy to design the games the best I can, and apparently my best isn't good enough for a lot of people so its time to put away my keyboard and leave this community. Its time to say some of the things I have not said before, but they need said. I have worked as often as I can, as much as I can on MOTA and Raceway, but it is a long and tedious process for me. I don't always have time to work on them, and you have no idea how many family reunions, cookouts, etc this summer I've skipped to work on those games. For quite some time now I've spent so much time working on the games my marriage has been strained and stressed adding even more stress to trying to complete these games. Having the community e-mail me off list now and then asking me when will game x be done over and over again is bad enough. However, Che's e-mail was the braking point for me. I've always tried my best to give helpful suggestions, opinions of what programming languages and tools to use based on nearly 12 years experience
