Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
Well tom, to a great extent it seems very capricious indeed. There was for instance one metroid remake which got not just shut down, but actually got the creator's ip banned from his server without any warning, yet there is another far more high profile project sitl continuing un malested, with lots of news and reports everywhere! Ditto for other games. One remake of boulderdash, Dx boulderdash, had to be renamed dx diggem because first star software, who both own the original game and are stil! releasing bd games today for mobile phone and gba. Yet a small scale independent developing company (much like a lot of audio game devs), have released three commercially sold games under the title "boudlerdash, dig the past" It virtually seems a lottery to me, which is all the more reason what happened to monti was so completely mad! If however it's a lottery, - why not play? You've got to be in it to win it afterall. that's to say, freeware remakes, knock yourselves out! Btw, one notion I have had is a turrican remake in audio complete with the award winning music, though i will admit that sinse Turrican remakes have been endorced by the games' creator, and indeed the original games are available under a "not for profit" type agreement if you have the emulator, this is a mildly different situation for that game at least. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic Hi Dark, Well, as has been said many many times already it is all up to the copyright holder how they want to handle it. Some don't care about remakes and some do. I've seen several freeware classic remakes for Linux such as Packman, Asteroids, Bomberman, Super Breakout, and Activision hasn't said anything about them. I'd assume given the age of the games Activision probably doesn't consider those games commercial best sellers any more, and don't really care about the clones floating around the net. However, as you said Nintendo is another story. They have consistantly squashed remakes, and actively protect their best sellers like Megaman, Castlevania, Mario, and others. So it is a good idea to stay away from Nintendo's copyrights for that reason. However, this only proves the point though that some companies are more relaxed than others. You never really know how a company will respond to your project until it is out there, and they know it is there. some will ignore it, and others may take some sort of legal action. Who knows? On 3/27/10, dark wrote: I must confess I have! seen freeware only remakes of sonic games feature orriginal sounds and graffics, such as this one (not accessible, but it makes the poiknt): http://www.infamous-adventures.com/kq3/index.php?page=faq While I understand the issue about copywrite and thw rroy about getting a desist letter (especially as regards commercial games for proffit, and with the idiocy that tom Recieved over Monti), I know for a fact freeware graffical game makers aren't as concerned at all. There are even cases where the original creators of games saw a free remake, and sent congratulations makers to the remaker, - pleased that their game is stil out there. the only company I've seen persistantly squash remakes, is (sadly), nintendo, but keep clear of them and things should be fine for a free accessible remake of any game using original sounds or whatever, so long as a correct disclaimer is written. just considder how many utube vids feature graffics, sound, music or whatever from films or games, then ask if a free game is really that! different. Needless to say though, anything commercial is far more tricky. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
Hi Dark, Well, as has been said many many times already it is all up to the copyright holder how they want to handle it. Some don't care about remakes and some do. I've seen several freeware classic remakes for Linux such as Packman, Asteroids, Bomberman, Super Breakout, and Activision hasn't said anything about them. I'd assume given the age of the games Activision probably doesn't consider those games commercial best sellers any more, and don't really care about the clones floating around the net. However, as you said Nintendo is another story. They have consistantly squashed remakes, and actively protect their best sellers like Megaman, Castlevania, Mario, and others. So it is a good idea to stay away from Nintendo's copyrights for that reason. However, this only proves the point though that some companies are more relaxed than others. You never really know how a company will respond to your project until it is out there, and they know it is there. some will ignore it, and others may take some sort of legal action. Who knows? On 3/27/10, dark wrote: > I must confess I have! seen freeware only remakes of sonic games feature > orriginal sounds and graffics, such as this one (not accessible, but it > makes the poiknt): http://www.infamous-adventures.com/kq3/index.php?page=faq > > > While I understand the issue about copywrite and thw rroy about getting a > desist letter (especially as regards commercial games for proffit, and with > the idiocy that tom Recieved over Monti), I know for a fact freeware > graffical game makers aren't as concerned at all. There are even cases where > the original creators of games saw a free remake, and sent congratulations > makers to the remaker, - pleased that their game is stil out there. > > > the only company I've seen persistantly squash remakes, is (sadly), > nintendo, but keep clear of them and things should be fine for a free > accessible remake of any game using original sounds or whatever, so long as > a correct disclaimer is written. > > just considder how many utube vids feature graffics, sound, music or > whatever from films or games, then ask if a free game is really that! > different. > > Needless to say though, anything commercial is far more tricky. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
i will make it a free game then with my own ideas now where can i obtain the gamegear sonic music and sounds? On 27 Mar 2010, at 18:19, dark wrote: > I must confess I have! seen freeware only remakes of sonic games feature > orriginal sounds and graffics, such as this one (not accessible, but it makes > the poiknt): http://www.infamous-adventures.com/kq3/index.php?page=faq > > > While I understand the issue about copywrite and thw rroy about getting a > desist letter (especially as regards commercial games for proffit, and with > the idiocy that tom Recieved over Monti), I know for a fact freeware > graffical game makers aren't as concerned at all. There are even cases where > the original creators of games saw a free remake, and sent congratulations > makers to the remaker, - pleased that their game is stil out there. > > > the only company I've seen persistantly squash remakes, is (sadly), nintendo, > but keep clear of them and things should be fine for a free accessible remake > of any game using original sounds or whatever, so long as a correct > disclaimer is written. > > just considder how many utube vids feature graffics, sound, music or whatever > from films or games, then ask if a free game is really that! different. > > Needless to say though, anything commercial is far more tricky. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic > > >> Hi Will, >> Yes, you have to get permission if you want your audio remakes to be >> legal. However, that said if you make the game for yourself, for >> private use, then there isn't much they can say or do about it. >> I've currently got a couple of game projects here at home, one is the >> Star Wars project people know about, that have not been released to >> the public for exactly that reason. While I can create the game, use >> sounds etc for my personal use, if I redistribute it publically I >> could end up in hot water. So I'm not really sure if or when I'll ever >> release them to the audio games community since it is a messy business >> using characters, sounds, music from a popular video game. >> >> >> On 3/27/10, william lomas wrote: >>> hi all, if i want to make a sonic game similar to that of the sighted, i >>> guess i need permission to use original sounds etc? if that is the case, >>> obtaining that will be impossible for us to make our games that we want all >>> the time >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
I must confess I have! seen freeware only remakes of sonic games feature orriginal sounds and graffics, such as this one (not accessible, but it makes the poiknt): http://www.infamous-adventures.com/kq3/index.php?page=faq While I understand the issue about copywrite and thw rroy about getting a desist letter (especially as regards commercial games for proffit, and with the idiocy that tom Recieved over Monti), I know for a fact freeware graffical game makers aren't as concerned at all. There are even cases where the original creators of games saw a free remake, and sent congratulations makers to the remaker, - pleased that their game is stil out there. the only company I've seen persistantly squash remakes, is (sadly), nintendo, but keep clear of them and things should be fine for a free accessible remake of any game using original sounds or whatever, so long as a correct disclaimer is written. just considder how many utube vids feature graffics, sound, music or whatever from films or games, then ask if a free game is really that! different. Needless to say though, anything commercial is far more tricky. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic Hi Will, Yes, you have to get permission if you want your audio remakes to be legal. However, that said if you make the game for yourself, for private use, then there isn't much they can say or do about it. I've currently got a couple of game projects here at home, one is the Star Wars project people know about, that have not been released to the public for exactly that reason. While I can create the game, use sounds etc for my personal use, if I redistribute it publically I could end up in hot water. So I'm not really sure if or when I'll ever release them to the audio games community since it is a messy business using characters, sounds, music from a popular video game. On 3/27/10, william lomas wrote: hi all, if i want to make a sonic game similar to that of the sighted, i guess i need permission to use original sounds etc? if that is the case, obtaining that will be impossible for us to make our games that we want all the time william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
Hi Will, Like Phil and I said you can, but you have to be careful in how you do it. If you want to create a classic remake of Castlevania don't call it Castlevania call it something else. Avoid using names, characters, music, and sounds from a copyrighted work. Game concepts are fine as long as you are willing to add some new and unique content to it. Shades of Doom was enspired by Doom, but is not close enough to the original work that David Greenwood has to worry about copyright issues. Instead of enemy soldiers and demons Shades of Doom uses mutant humans, rats, cyborgs, and a new back story for the game. He basically used the Doom idea to create his own game which is similar, but the important stuff in the game is different enough to be perfectly legal. Back when James North was running ESP he took two classic games likePackman and Space Invaders and came up with a couple of truly unique arcade games such as DynaMan and Aliens in the Outback. Both were borrowed from the classic arcade genre, but with a little creativity he came up with something new and unique. That's what we as a community have to do as well. On 3/27/10, william lomas wrote: > so surely most of us can't really make any useful classic remakes games due > to copyright --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
so surely most of us can't really make any useful classic remakes games due to copyright On 27 Mar 2010, at 14:07, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Will, > Yes, you have to get permission if you want your audio remakes to be > legal. However, that said if you make the game for yourself, for > private use, then there isn't much they can say or do about it. > I've currently got a couple of game projects here at home, one is the > Star Wars project people know about, that have not been released to > the public for exactly that reason. While I can create the game, use > sounds etc for my personal use, if I redistribute it publically I > could end up in hot water. So I'm not really sure if or when I'll ever > release them to the audio games community since it is a messy business > using characters, sounds, music from a popular video game. > > > On 3/27/10, william lomas wrote: >> hi all, if i want to make a sonic game similar to that of the sighted, i >> guess i need permission to use original sounds etc? if that is the case, >> obtaining that will be impossible for us to make our games that we want all >> the time >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games like sonic
Hi Will, Yes, you have to get permission if you want your audio remakes to be legal. However, that said if you make the game for yourself, for private use, then there isn't much they can say or do about it. I've currently got a couple of game projects here at home, one is the Star Wars project people know about, that have not been released to the public for exactly that reason. While I can create the game, use sounds etc for my personal use, if I redistribute it publically I could end up in hot water. So I'm not really sure if or when I'll ever release them to the audio games community since it is a messy business using characters, sounds, music from a popular video game. On 3/27/10, william lomas wrote: > hi all, if i want to make a sonic game similar to that of the sighted, i > guess i need permission to use original sounds etc? if that is the case, > obtaining that will be impossible for us to make our games that we want all > the time > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
