Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions

2011-09-25 Thread Benson Margulies
it from the doc. The board can always take its fiat out for a drive if some extraordinary circumstance arises some day. Cheers, -g On Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: The default sponsor is the incubator PMC. if you just put that in a proposal and offer it up

Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions

2011-09-20 Thread Benson Margulies
The default sponsor is the incubator PMC. if you just put that in a proposal and offer it up, it just happens. Board sponsorship happens for 'special' circumstances (like OO), and I don't pretend to understand why it's important. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz

Re: Moving the incubator web site to the CMS

2011-09-17 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi... On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:03 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2011 19:28, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: In an effort to reduce the number of procedures vying for neurons

Suggested tweak to proposal template

2011-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
I'd like to add a note to the template asking the initial contributors to note their favorite email address. That way, when the inevitable 'subscribe' requests for the private list come along, the mentor moderating the private list can identify the addresses as legitimate.

Moving the incubator web site to the CMS

2011-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
In an effort to reduce the number of procedures vying for neurons in my memory, I think it would be good if we went ahead and CMS-ed the incubator website. I'm willing to help Joe with this, and he suggested that I post this message looking for other contributors to the effort.

Re: OpenNLP IP clearance question

2011-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
You probably don't need BOTH an SGA or a CCLA. Just one. A CCLA allows future contributions. The SGA would just cover this one thing. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Jörn Kottmann kottm...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/14/11 9:18 PM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: He worked on it during his day job and

Committer versus PPMC

2011-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#request-mailing-lists Can anyone explain what IPMC Member This needs to be executed by an IPMC member. Mentors are drafted on the IPMC so this will typically was trying to say? I've quoted it just as it is, which is to say, ending in

Re: Committer versus PPMC

2011-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
!what! needs to be a mentor? On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#request-mailing-lists Can anyone explain what

Re: [VOTE] Accumulo to join the Incubator

2011-09-09 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 binding On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: It's been a week since the Accumulo proposal was submitted for discussion.  A few questions were asked, and the proposal was clarified

Other mentors for accumulo?

2011-09-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Optimist that I am, I wonder if any of you would be willing to sign up to join me as a mentor on accumulo on the assumption that it is approved? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional

Re: Other mentors for accumulo?

2011-09-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: I can help. Would you please add yourself to the proposal on the wiki? Regards, Alan On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Optimist that I am, I wonder if any of you would be willing to sign up

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
it? On 9/6/11 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Doug Meil, Top-posting is generally less than idea, but I want to respond to the overall theme of your message, not to individual points and sentences. The attitude of various chunks of the US government to Open Source has

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal) and

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-06 Thread Benson Margulies
needless to say, but as a Mentor-in-waiting, I'm all in favor of this proposal. --benson margulies - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accumulo for the Apache Incubator

2011-09-02 Thread Benson Margulies
Agency == Sponsors ==  * Champion: Doug Cutting  * Nominated Mentors: Benson Margulies, ?, ?  * Sponsoring Entity: Apache Incubator - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e

Re: [QUESTION] How big should a contribution be to require a code grant?

2011-08-25 Thread Benson Margulies
Legally I think that a tarball attached to a jira with the feather checked is precisely the same as an svn commit. It all comes in under the same paragraphs of the license and icla. I don't think an SGA is relevant unless there is complexity in the provenance.

Re: [VOTE] Release for Bigtop version 0.1.0-incubating

2011-08-22 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Bayer andrew.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops. Sorry about that. New tag created - https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/bigtop/tags/release-0.1.0-incubating-RC2 A. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:37 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Tags are supposed to

Re: [VOTE] Release for Bigtop version 0.1.0-incubating

2011-08-22 Thread Benson Margulies
out what needed to be fixed for the release. =) Ah, just what you were hoping for, contradictory direction. Sorry, we're really good at that here at the incubator. A. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew

Re: Retired podlings with RW SVN access

2011-08-20 Thread Benson Margulies
Moving to general@... On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2011 2:22 AM To: priv...@incubator.apache.org Cc: Gavin McDonald Subject: Re:

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept ODF Toolkit for Incubation

2011-08-10 Thread Benson Margulies
I am a historical contributor to the toolkit: if you need something, feel free to tag me. On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2011/8/9 Ying Chun Guo guoyi...@cn.ibm.com: Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com 写于 08/09/2011 06:47:05 PM: Nick Burch

Re: Apache Rat TLP...?

2011-08-05 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: Agree that the scope of Rat alone is limited. You mean if Rat proposed to graduate as Apache Tools (or even Apache Infrastructure Tools)? Rat could start as the TLP and later become a sub project once other tools

Re: Bluesky cleanup? (was: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling)

2011-07-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Svn dump private download for concerned party? On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Er, have you explicitly told the Bluesky lists that the repo is about to be deleted? Alternatively,

Re: Retire Olio?

2011-07-19 Thread Benson Margulies
You are welcome to make a copy on github. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Shanti Subramanyam (gmail) shanti.subraman...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps. But the project is still useful and I see researchers using it (the activity usually picks up during the summer months). If we can arrange for the

launch trajectories

2011-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm relatively new at mentoring, and I'm writing to solicit advice from older hands on the early phases of community construction. I'm looking at a podling with 7 initial contributors, running since Nov 2010. No new contributors have been voted in, or even discussed. Or even seen, I think, on the

Re: launch trajectories

2011-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
to be 'not critical if everything else is OK'. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:40 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 7/5/2011 7:36 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Anyhow, what do other think? Should mentors be pushing early and often on this subject, or is it reasonable wait for, oh, 18 months and a few

Re: launch trajectories

2011-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: ...If a project, during an 18 month incubation, cannot draw in new blood, how can we believe that it will do so as a TLP? Marketing of the

Re: launch trajectories

2011-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
No secret here. It's OpenNLP. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 5 July 2011 14:07, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!

2011-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself on github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1. My vote is +1 to retire. On Fri, Jul

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (Binding) On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: +1 to retire Bluesky (binding) I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told we'll do better. The votes been called

Re: Key security (Re: KEYS and releases)

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
There's another possible dimension to this, which is related to the 'Apache Key' suggestion. The current mechanism gives a\ sophisticated/ consumer tools to get some confidence that what they downloaded was, in fact, created by someone in the Apache infrastructure. If a dozen black hats create

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Chris, If my goal was to hoodwink you, I'd create a bogus key that claimed to be owned by an Apache person, put it in a KEYS file, and include in the release, and sign the release with it. If I was lucky, you'd just verify the release with the embedded key, and I'd have succeeded. We want people

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Mirrors. Lots of non-apache people work for all those many companies that operate all those many, many, mirrors. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Benson, On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Chris, If my

Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Benson Margulies
I forgot to add (binding) to my +1, but I don't think I'm alone. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active .. so lets chalk this up

Re: Commerce and open-soure (Was) Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Benson Margulies
The expression 'land-grab' in here bothers me. I understand (if not agree with) the 'deep philosophy justification' of the FSF for a particular licensing strategy. I understand the views of individuals who don't want to benefit corporations without extracting, at least, some token cooperation in

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Benson Margulies
convene and agree on the outlines of that family in advance. --benson margulies - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Meta-question: How many committers on a proposal are enough?

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 06/03/2011 08:02:25 AM: There is a meta-question here: what are the criteria by which the IPMC should evaluate a proposal? 1. Are there enough people on the proposal to plausibly start out? I think everyone

Development infrastructure and methodology for OO

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
Here is a thread for some infrastructure implications of an OO podling. Things to note: 1. OO is very large. 2. OO is a good-old C++ giant. It's not 'build once, run anywhere'. It has to be built many times in many configurations to maintain regression testing. There is, in short, a detectable

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
Um, it seems to me that this discussion of builds and distribution belongs on the dev list of the podling when/if there is a podling. Unless someone feels that there's a problem so gigantic that it should motivate -1 votes for the podling itself. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Christian

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Of course it does... but we are discussing ways where we can use all aspects of the existing communities to give the IPMC a warm-and-fuzzy regarding voting +1 On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Um

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
Can we launch the Apache Sausage Project? On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 03/06/2011 16:09, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org  wrote: This is why, inside the ASF, we expect individuals to

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
One main, significant difference between TDF and the ASF is that the ASF just releases source; TDF fills a *huge* and important part of the entire OOo end-user experience. I sincerely hope this is an easy to agree to. This is a concise capture of a critical point. TDF could decide to ignore

A possibly gratuitous meta- thread on the open office discussion

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
We now have several running threads. They overlap in content, and their subjects are, in some cases, rather uninformative. I want to suggest some options to improve this situation to make it easier for ipmc members (and others) to follow the discussion and register their points of view. Option

Re: A possibly gratuitous meta- thread on the open office discussion

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
In my experience as a moderator of consensus process, I've learned that, on tough topics, it's hard to achieve consensus without, well, active moderation. My gambit was to suggest that this was a hat for the champions, but it was just a gambit. Option 2: we use the wiki to stack up comments and

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Meritocracy and Committers for non-coders?

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
instead of to the whole shebang. Bah. Outdated concept. In Apache Subversion, we simply ask the committer to constrain themselves to certain areas. No need to get technical about it. The trust metric applies very well, *especially* when it is version control and changes can be reverted :-P

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
I started the process by adding a couple of TBD's. My little vision is that IPMC members might add notes of the form: I cannot vote +1 for this proposal until this section addresses issue X' When all those comments are gone, we have, in effect, voted. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Sam Ruby

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
Please do not turn this thread into *ANOTHER* however polite argument the possible construction of the community. So to be clear, the wiki page for the OOo proposal is open for anyone to edit and not just Apache members or the project's proposers. Yes: As Sam wrote: .  Defacement of the

Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
And if we split the page into separate proposals (not unlikely given the clear differences of vision expressed on the list already), which one is voted on?  All of them? Rob, Splitting the page would be an extreme situation, and it would indicate, to me, that the incubator PMC is faced with

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
This whole topic seems to suffer from malformed or uninformative subject lines. I submit that it's not the purview of the ASF or the Incubator PMC to achieve world peace, or whirled peas, or a single project for open source document software. Oracle has granted code to the ASF. A group of people

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2011 22:42, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: The existing of TDF and the preference of its contributors for copyleft is data, but for me it's not data that could persuade me to vote -1 in this PMC. I

Open Office Dependencies

2011-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
The proposal, as I read it, doesn't address the license status of third party software dependencies. The one time that I endeavoured to build OOo from source, it had a long list of mandatory dependencies. Reference http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html. While some of them might qualify as

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Benson Margulies
There are only two initial committers identified in the proposal. Why only two for such a large codebase? Not only is it a very large code base, it was a weakly maintained and documented code base for quite some time before the Sun-Oracle-LO-Split/Splat process. We generally expect Apache

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 01/06/2011 19:51, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: dshdaniel.hais...@googlemail.com  wrote on 06/01/2011 02:16:58 PM: ... And is it generally held to be a criterion for a podling to graduate or even initiate, that it

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Benson Margulies
, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 01/06/2011 19:51, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: dshdaniel.hais...@googlemail.com  wrote on 06/01/2011 02:16:58 PM: ... And is it generally held to be a criterion

watching the commit profile

2011-05-31 Thread Benson Margulies
Is there a quick way to check the diversity of commits to a podling? I mentor one where the ratio of commits between one individual and the rest of the universe seems to be tending toward infinity, and I'd like to check before pointing this out.

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache opennlp-1.5.1-incubating-rc7

2011-05-02 Thread Benson Margulies
+1. Sorry, I got distrastracted from sending this. On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) Hadrian On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Jörn Kottmann wrote: Hi all, please review and vote on approving our first release of Apache OpenNLP. OpenNLP

+1 on lucene.net release

2011-03-03 Thread Benson Margulies
Sorry to be off the thread, but I had an email mishap. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

An idea you might call pre-incubation

2011-02-11 Thread Benson Margulies
Let's say that I have an idea for some new open source initiative. How would I proceed? Well, I *won't* proceed by asking for an ASF lab. Why? Because an ASF lab precludes me from collaboration with anyone except ASF committers, and that's a completely arbitrary distinction. So, these days, my

Re: An idea you might call pre-incubation

2011-02-11 Thread Benson Margulies
the org.apache namespace for their bundles or package names. My goal here is to foster and encourage the growth of brand new things *inside* the ASF, but lowering the barrier to entry. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/11 5:13 PM, Benson Margulies

Re: An idea you might call pre-incubation

2011-02-11 Thread Benson Margulies
* what makes Apache currently so valuable to us, as a client. Not sure you want to dilute that. -Eric. On 2/11/11 8:44 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Those have zero oversight, and are supposed to be associated with existing projects, no? More seriously, There are a number of things

Re: An idea you might call pre-incubation

2011-02-11 Thread Benson Margulies
hat's a completely arbitrary distinction. As a Labs PMC member at least I would be open to a proposal to change that rule, if that's the only thing preventing Labs from being used for something like this. In the interests of email economy: A scheme to do this at the Lab would be fine with

Hudson access

2011-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
http://wiki.apache.org/general/Hudson#How_do_I_get_an_account says that PMC chairs grant hudson access. Is this the process for the incubator, as well? Do others have karma for this purpose? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Accept Lucene.Net for incubation

2011-01-27 Thread Benson Margulies
or motivator for their interest. == Sponsors == === Champion ===  * Grant Ingersoll (gsingers AT apache DOT org) === Nominated Mentors ===  * Gianugo Rabellino  * Stefan Bodewig  * Benson Margulies === Sponsoring Entity === '''Lucene.Net is currently sponsored by Lucene as a sub-project

Re: Lucene.Net ready for vote?

2011-01-26 Thread Benson Margulies
I guess I could sign up as Mentor. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Lombard, Scott slomb...@kingindustries.com wrote: Grant, The proposal is done, how do you feel about putting Lucene.Net to a vote with 2 mentors? Scott -Original Message- From: Grant Ingersoll

River TLP

2011-01-19 Thread Benson Margulies
River Community, I am pleased to pass along the news that the ASF board unanimously approved the resolution to establish the River TLP. Time to get busy clearing away the eggshells and moving into your new svn home. Best Regards, Benson

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sure that it isn't a policy. It's a good practice avoiding Subversion bloat. There are certainly Apache projects who still have a trunk-load of checked-in jars. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Please point me at a URL where it says this is Apache policy.

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
Gang, Please be clear about when you are offering advice to podlings and when you are conveying policy. The people in the podlings get justifiably rattled when they get email that seems to suggest that they are somehow not following some rule that isn't, apparently, written down anywhere.

[VOTE] [RESULT] Graduate River as a TLP (Graduation Approval Vote)

2010-12-22 Thread Benson Margulies
Eight binding +1 votes, no 0 or -1 vote, and one decorative non-binding, assuming that http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html is up to date. BInding +1: Benson Margulies (Mentor) Chris Mattmann Mohammed Nour El-Din Bertrand Delacretaz Jukka Zitting (Mentor) Niclas Hedhman (Mentor) Alan D

Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Graduate River as a TLP (Graduation Approval Vote)

2010-12-22 Thread Benson Margulies
Did I misread the web page or is it out of date? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Eight binding +1 votes, no 0 or -1 vote, and one decorative non-binding, assuming that http

River passes?

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems like we've run out of voters for River, and all of them are +1. How does this get formalized? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Looks like the answer is 9 +1 votes and nothing else. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: +1 to graduation and congrats! Minor typo below... On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...maintenance

Re: River passes?

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: It seems like we've run out of voters for River, and all of them are +1. How does this get formalized? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

[VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-15 Thread Benson Margulies
conventional cross-post, or that the incubator PMC wants to see the draft board resolution. If so, just let me know, and I'll make the necessary repairs. Otherwise, I invite your votes. --benson margulies - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-15 Thread Benson Margulies
) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Benson, Not sure that it's a strict rule, but seeing the board resolution is what I'd like to see as an IPMC member if I'm VOTE'ing on something. Cheers, Chris On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Hello Incubator PMC, The River

Signing up for Empire

2010-12-12 Thread Benson Margulies
Empire has a mentor shortage, and River is about done with me. So I guess I'll insert myself there. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Emeritus w/r/t podlings?

2010-12-04 Thread Benson Margulies
The River podling is cleaning up the list in preparation for (I hope) a graduation soon. Do they need to maintain 'emeritus' status across the graduation boundary? They'd rather not. They have a long list of long-gone people. -

Re: I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like

Re: Setting up the Jena podling

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm a bit up to my eyes in OpenNLP. Can one of you get the initial status page going? On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Yay!! Thank you. I've been absolutely rammed with only phone access for the vast majority of time. Thank you for  taking the job on (I

Re: I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
To my pleasant surprise, Sam replied on legal-discuss that an icla is just fine -- though it's better if the person signing it actually reads it first. I plan to make some more tweaks to the web site to places that seem to say the opposite. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Benson Margulies

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I agree with Joe. a) I've been involved in a number of such releases. b) A podling can be evaluated for license compatibility like any external dependency -- but I don't see how a podling has any business making any releases before their IP clearance is pretty darn clear. --benson On Wed, Dec

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Just about the most important thing a podling does is release. We shouldn't need mechanisms to ease the use of unreleased podling code. In my opinion. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting

Is there a batch of new accounts on the horizon, oh r...@?

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Sometimes I know that the very busy root@ batches up account requests. My OpenNLP pod-people wonder when they might get their accounts. I've counselled patience. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Could any of the incu-infra-bators help with OpenNLP?

2010-11-30 Thread Benson Margulies
It would be very much appreciated if we could at least get the mailing lists going for OpenNLP. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3233 --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-29 Thread Benson Margulies
I made an edit to the incubator site. What do you think of it? On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Would you recommend that I edit the mentor page on the site with this clarification, or should we wait for more polyphony? If you really feel that there

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
the software grant plus an acknowledgement that people in the company are going to work on Apache projects, whether on their own time or company time. So, if a CCLA is filed naming the software, a separate SGA is *not* necessary. Craig On Nov 26, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, this is going to depend on how the copyrights work, I guess. If it's clear that HP owns the copyright (all the HP people were working for hire), then a CCLA from HP will cover it. However, IANTL. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-26 Thread Benson Margulies
I can't find anything in [1] that states any conditions in which a CCLA won't do and an SGA is required instead. The Jena podling has asked me. Their situation is that an HP copyright is thought to cover all the 'corporate' code, and they wonder if there is any reason for them to chase an SGA on

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous. My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I can tell

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Instead of continuing this thread, I'd invite any of you to start watching the isis dev list, and report in if you see evidence of a failure to respect the core values that underly this argument. Isis has several mentors. I am only one. The mentors, in general, felt that the project had a strong

[DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Some reading the thread on the ISIS podling's use of Skype may feel that I am dismissing their opinions or disregarding an established policy. To do penance for any perceived slight, and to make it perfectly clear that it is my intention to respect established policy, I am starting this thread

Minor confusion on the IP clearance front ...

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
I find myself, for the first time, in the position of being the go-to mentor for a new launch. Last time around, the other mentors were so enthusiastic that I didn't have to do anything except type up the first three INFRA JIRAs. I'm trying to get my head wrapped around the IP clearance process.

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making.

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
As a mentor of ISIS, I'd like to ask everyone to give them a little breathing room on this subject. Many TLP's in good standing have active IRC channels. These have very closely related risks to open communities. Many TLPs in good standing hold in-person meetups from time to time. This is not to

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
community - isn't shuffled under the rug.  IMO, we should be messaging about how to do it well if it's desired, not whether or not to do it at all. Thanks, --Glen On 11/22/2010 8:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: As a mentor of ISIS, I'd like to ask everyone to give them a little breathing room

Re: [VOTE] Accept Jena into the incubator

2010-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Simons  (leosimons .at. apache.org)  * Dave Johnson (snoopdave .at. gmail.com)  * Benson Margulies (bimargulies .at. gmail.com) === Sponsoring Entity === Incubator PMC -- rgard...@apache.org @rgardler - To unsubscribe

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenNLP for incubation

2010-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 binding On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: +1 (non-binding) lets vote on the acceptance of the OpenNLP Project for incubation at the Apache Incubator. The proposal is on the wiki http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenNLPProposal and a copy is

Re: [DISCUSS] Poddling new committer process

2010-11-17 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 to the proposal. What makes me uneasy about this is that, notwithstanding the one mentor vote, we are basically saying that the bar for ASF committership can now be defined solely by a group of people who might have no knowledge, as yet, of the Apache way in general and the way

Re: [VOTE] Accept Jena into the incubator

2010-11-17 Thread Benson Margulies
Carroll == Sponsors == === Champion === Ross Gardler (rgardler .at. apache.org === Nominated Mentors ===  * Bertrand Delacretaz (bdelacretaz .at. apache.org)  * Leo Simons  (leosimons .at. apache.org)  * Dave Johnson (snoopdave .at. gmail.com)  * Benson Margulies (bimargulies .at. gmail.com

Re: Missing reports: DeltaCloud, Droids, HISE, ISIS, Kitty, Lucy, Stonehenge, VCL, Wookie

2010-11-15 Thread Benson Margulies
I signed off. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: I've updated the report [1] for Isis.  It still needs to be reviewed by our mentors (Mark Struberg did so last time) . [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2010 On 15/11/2010 20:03, Noel J.

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-13 Thread Benson Margulies
The author of Saxon is in a public feud with Maven. He likes to claim that Maven publication violates his license. If you go the route you quote, you have to publish it under your own groupId, and not his, and not Apache's. However, Someone published: dependency groupIdnet.sf.saxon/groupId

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