Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flex podling from Apache Incubator

2012-11-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex podling from Apache Incubator... +1 -Bertrand (Flex mentor) - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: New IPMC chair

2012-11-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...In their meeting yesterday the ASF board appointed Benson Margulies as the new VP, Apache Incubator. Congratulations!... Congrats Benson, and thanks Jukka for setting the bar very high for him to have fun here!

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Wink from Incubator

2012-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
[X] +1 Graduate Wink podling from Incubator -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
[X] -1 Do not retire the project, because ... As others have said in this thread there's no clear consensus. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote: ...With respect to the voting result, but it leaves me puzzled that why should Chukwa be retired. When there are contributors, and there are activities for growth... Note that there's several -1s in the [VOTE] thread on

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 26 nov. 2012 21:06, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com a écrit : For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC Based on the mentors additional info, and

Re: How to grow podling communities

2012-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...growing communities is really, really, hard, and I don't know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does, it might be the comdev committee... I agree with this, the incubator is busy enough helping

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers of help?),

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: While I think that it's laudable for IPMC members to step in and offer to mentor, we should remember the danger of becoming a crutch... Definitely - the goal of an incubation mentor should be to become redundant, as

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was raised. A lengthy discussion ensued. Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the hopes of infusing new energy into the

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-) It's on the private Chukwa list. How can I get these URLs?... Message-ID is fine in this case

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings. -Bertrand

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and that all the PMC members are trustworthy I wouldn't want to

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, Greg Reddin wrote: ...What difference does it make to the ASF if a project is very small or very slow?... IMO, as long as there's three or more active PMC members who react when needed, and provide the quarterly board reports, a small/slow project is fine and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta

2012-11-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday, November 26, 2012, Andy Seaborne wrote: ...One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote IMO you can go forward with the vote and indicate that having Fabian as a mentor is pending

Re: [VOTE] Accept Marmotta into the incubator

2012-11-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: ...Please cast your votes on whether to accept the Apache Marmotta proposal... +1 with a small caveat: ... = Nominated Mentors Fabian Christ (fchrist at apache dot org)... Fabian is not currently a member of the

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ... Would you also add the three or more active PMC members requirement? What constitutes active?... IMO the bare minimum is being able to find three PMC members to vote on things when needed. Once a project gets below

Re: New graduation jiras

2012-11-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: ...Some caveats not documented there are: - The PMC chair is still responsible for using modify_unix_group... I've fixed the not documented bit by adding that info to

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: Hence my idea to do away with the rule of thumb and stick to at least one responsible PMC member How will that work? IIUC your idea, the resulting PMC cannot get 3 PMC votes so it cannot operate. I don't want to

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...I'd say you need at least five active PMC members at graduation time... ...Maybe that could be a requirement, if the mentors think that the podling

Re: 2013 reporting

2012-12-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's been a long day, but I'm puzzled about how my predecessors have added new years to the table on the front page without some very fiddly text editing... Just did it for you,

Re: announce@incubator?

2012-12-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...I didn't know announce@inc did exist... Me neither, +1 for disabling. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Amber community ready to graduate but Amber is not a suitable name

2012-12-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: ...We already started discussing a new name candidate, my question is: what is the best procedure to vote and notify the community graduation and the podling name change?... IMO you need votes from Incubator

Re: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html is out of date?

2012-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ...Yes, changes to the SVN source cause buildbot to run the Ant build script AFAIK, that happens via http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/build_cms.sh using the CMS' external build interface described at

Re: PPMC versus commiter

2012-12-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...2. Historically, podlings have *not* maintained this distinction, but have waited for graduation to sort out the initial PMC members FWIW, Flex recently started electing people as committers only as a first

Re: PPMC versus commiter

2012-12-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... 2. Historically, podlings have *not* maintained this distinction, but have waited for graduation to sort out the initial PMC

Re: PPMC versus commiter

2012-12-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...Not all TLDs do the same... s/TLD/TLP/ (inheriting Christian's typos ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr

Re: PPMC versus commiter

2012-12-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ...Making someone a C without PPMC gives them the power to evolve the code, but not to help make decisions about how can maintain it, or when to release it. Something about that, I just don't find

Re: [VOTE] retire photark

2012-12-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Having received no traffic on the discussion thread, and in particular no traffic at all from the PPMC, I hereby call a vote to retire photark. +1 -Bertrand

Re: [PROPOSAL] Info for submitting a proposal

2013-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would like to know if I may explain in a short way my proposal here and be helped and redirected in case of overlap with existing projects... You're welcome to describe an incubation proposal here. Being

Re: [PROPOSAL] Info for submitting a proposal

2013-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ...Thanks, I'll prepare a short email then. (is it possible to attach examples in code, say a zip file?)... URLs to code repositories are much better IMO. -Bertrand

Re: [PROPOSAL] Info for submitting a proposal

2013-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: say to put the documents and code on sourceforge, for instance ? anywhere that has a stable public URL is fine. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Clean up users who are members of the incubator group and no other?

2013-01-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Doing some cleanup/checks for the graduated Flex podling, I noticed a number of users at http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html who are just members of the incubator group, and no other group (starting from the top: acs, acymbalak, aditzel, etc.) Is there a valid use case for this?

Re: DeviceMap status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of October2012 by BertrandDelacretaz)

2013-01-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jukka, On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...Have you considered cutting a release with the code you already have in place? That might help bring over some people who are now using OpenDDR That's probably the best thing to do right now - I'll

Re: marmotta svn

2013-01-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at wrote: ... $ svn mkdir https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/marmotta ... done. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: How to make votes more visible?

2013-01-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Christian, On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?... Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient? You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure you don't miss

Re: [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution

2013-01-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Tommaso Teofili tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote: ...I'm opening the vote for the below Apache Clerezza TLP graduation resolution... +1 -Bertrand (Clerezza mentor) - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Logo proposal for the Marmotta incubating project

2013-01-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya nandana@gmail.com wrote: We know that Apache Project Branding Requirements [1] applies to top-level projects. Does the podling have to follow the same ?... Yes of course - if only so that the branding is ok once the podling

Re: [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution

2013-01-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Tommaso Teofili tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote: ...should i cancel and re open the vote with the updated paragraph?... I suggest that you just reply to this message with the modified version of that first paragraph that you suggest, and wait 24 hours in

Re: Incubator voting status page

2013-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: ...the current results are here: http://people.apache.org/~brane/incubator-votes.html That page (should) get updated every 4 hours... Cool - it might make sense to integrate with https://whimsy.apache.org/ -Bertrand

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Federico Strati fede.str...@gmail.com wrote: ...Maybe you may suggest me the appropriate forum as well As you don't seem to have code or a community yet, and there was apparently no interest in your original proposal, it's probably better to start

Re: [PROPOSAL] RDBMSSR: RDBMS Software Redundancy Proposal

2013-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...While I may disagree with the concept, I have no real opposition to people attempting to spin up projects here Me neither, I'm not opposing, just suggesting a way that might be more efficient. -Bertrand

Re: Mentor commitment check?

2013-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Since we have some new proposals in flight, I was wondering about finding some polite way to ask proposed champions and mentors about their level of time commitment... We could simply ask mentors to indicate on

Re: [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution

2013-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tommaso Teofili tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote: ...we just need one more vote, please anyone?... You do have 3 IPMC members vote in this thread: yourself, Fabian and myself. -Bertrand - To

Re: [PROPOSAL] Knox Hadoop Gateway Project

2013-02-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Kevin Minder kevin.min...@hortonworks.com wrote: ...Currently all of the mentors are affiliated with Hortonworks as well. We can reach out to a number of other people and organizations that are interested in the project to diversify if this is an important

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive

2013-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ...I'm -1 on this graduation... -1 from me as well, I agree with Chris' points. This looks either like an umbrella project (which we don't want anymore) or a PMC not trusting its committers. IMO

Re: [DISCUSS] Knox Hadoop Gateway Project

2013-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Kevin Minder kevin.min...@hortonworks.com wrote: ...Our sponsor reached out to Chris Douglas (Microsoft) and Chris Mattmann (NASA) and they have agreed to be mentors. I have updated the proposal wiki http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/knox to reflect

Re: pulse.apache.org down

2013-02-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Antonio, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Antonio Sanso asa...@adobe.com wrote: ...this might seems a bit off topic here but I have noticed that http://pulse.apache.org/ is not working anymore (and when it was working it was out of date) That's a known issue, I have just created

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...I'd like to suggest two changes: 1) Incubation is for new TLPs only. Turn off the graduate-into-TLP option. 2) Move the short form IP clearance to Legal Affairs, to clarify that we're only talking IP, rather than other

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ... +1 to both, assuming Legal Affairs accepts 2) Guys, this was my point a few weeks ago, and the question I posed to the board

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: ...I suppose if a new product + its community want to become part of a PMC, coding could happen under that PMC (so for example: in a branch of their repository, releases require 3 +1's by that PMC), but with IPMC or

Re: [VOTE] Accept Provisionr into the Apache Incubator

2013-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Andrei Savu as...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Provisionr into the Apache Incubator. +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [PROPOSAL] MRQL for the Apache Incubator

2013-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Leonidas Fegaras fega...@cse.uta.edu wrote: == Champion == * Edward J. Yoon edwardyoon AT apache DOT org == Nominated Mentors == * Alex Karasulu akarasulu AT apache DOT org ... Is Edward going to stay on as a mentor as well? Two (active) mentors is the

Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide

2013-03-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote: ...After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it, I'd like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide... +1, and +1 to Daniels comment, you could point to the private@ thread where this

Re: New podling infra setup question

2013-03-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Kevin Minder kmin...@apache.org wrote: ...I'm asking this from the perspective of the Knox podling. We have an umbrella Jira (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5913)... Did you check http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling ? It

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of EasyAnt into Ant

2013-03-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Nicolas Lalevée nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org wrote: ...The EasyAnt community would like to graduate as an subproject of Ant. The Ant PMC has just accepted:

Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)

2013-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Christian, On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections welcome, right now or after the commit)... I like it, just a nitpick: I'd say Good examples are instead of they should look like.

Re: [VOTE] Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD

2013-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...in the previous discussions were no objections against the graduation of Apache Onami... Was there a community vote indicating a desire to graduate? I didn't find that in the previous discussion thread.

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept MRQL into the Incubator

2013-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.orgwrote: We're also missing Ant Elder from the Nominated Mentors list no? Fixed... I have pasted the current version of the proposal below, so

Re: [VOTE] Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD

2013-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: ...This is the community vote. It's a bit confusing that it's also cc:'d to general@ ah sorry I missed that - CCing is not a good thing in this case, if someone wants to notify another list of an ongoing vote they should

Re: [VOTE] Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD

2013-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...I followed this: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote It is wise to copy the incubator general list when the vote is proposed Ok - I have now changed that to it is wise to

Re: [VOTE] Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD

2013-03-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: ... I was encouraged by your change and changed a bit:... Great, thanks! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept MRQL into the Incubator

2013-03-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...I believe the following is is the current version following the vote and discussion. If there are any further personnel changes can we please have the discussion on private@ to make sure there is consensus before posting

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivory - Hadoop data management and processing platform

2013-03-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Srikanth Sundarrajan srikanth.sundarra...@inmobi.com wrote: ...I am assuming it won't be an issue as Falcon used within the Adobe/Apache Flex isn't related to Hadoop... I agree with that - if the Flex PMC thinks otherwise they should speak up now. -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Srikanth Sundarrajan srikanth.sundarra...@inmobi.com wrote: ...Thanks for participating in the proposal discussion on Falcon (formerly Ivory). I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Apache Falcon into the Incubator... I hate to slow down things, but

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Srikanth Sundarrajan srikanth.sundarra...@inmobi.com wrote: ...Since the VOTE is already out, I will leave it so. However, we will continue to watch out for any serious objections/concern with the name Falcon Ok, fine with me - just make sure there's

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would offer a compromise process. If someone does not even sign off the report for two or three months running, send an email to that person, copying general@, asking, politely, if they wish to remain a

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer, then the shepherd goes to

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...We also have 172 IPMC members to date (according committer index). Most of the people are not seen often; we have many awol mentors. Currently becoming an IPMC member is necessary to become a Mentor. It

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: ...We already have a Apache wide announce list, which is used for release announcements and probably can or is already used for the other things you mentioned Yes, see

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: ...As to whether such lists should be encouraged for new podlings (probably by putting a stub in the proposal template alongside the other lists), I can't say that I have a strong opinion IIUC Noah's proposal

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:35 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:52 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...Your second suggestion sounds like the thing to do to me - separating IPMC-ship and Mentor-ship... ...I'd like to try this, perhaps as a sort of

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Justin Mclean justinmcl...@gmail.com wrote: ...As an aside it seems (and please correct me if I'm mistaken) in order to become a IPMC member you first need to be an Apache member (see bottom of [1])... you don't - Apache members can become IPMC members just

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Onami as TLD

2013-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...We now kindly ask the IPMC to review our findings and vote on the Onami graduation... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Creating announce@ lists by default

2013-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Bertrand, yes, I am not sold on the idea of doing it by default. But perhaps sort of advisory, highlighting it as an option, and giving reasons why it might be a good idea for some projects? Yes, sounds good to me if it's

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: I think it should be 3/4 majority. I agree that supermajority would be better than simple majority here. Moving to simple majority seems

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...With this new supermajority approach you'd need 75% or more of voters to agree with you to get me gone. Alternatively, you could say enough is enough and to end the debate you're going to call a vote to demonstrate i've

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ...Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22 nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs?... It's not. Well, maybe it is, but up to a point. The good thing

Re: committee-info.txt and the incubator PMC

2013-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Does anyone know how to cross-check this file and ldap?... The real question might be why this needs to be duplicated (I assume) between LDAP and a file - any advice from infra? IIUC,

Re: committee-info.txt and the incubator PMC

2013-04-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ... The real question might be why this needs to be duplicated (I assume) between LDAP and a file - any advice from infra? It is not strictly duplicated. committee-info.txt contains

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Chris proposes that this committee recommend its own demise to the board, to be replaced, in large part, by the board itself. Every board member who has been heard from so far has been less than enthusiastic...

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...How about the following more incremental experiment: we do what Upayavira says: we set a higher bar for mentors at podling start time. We ask them to make a public statement of commitment that for some period

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: ...If Mentors fall away after phase 1 ends, it's less of a problem. Replacing Mentors is less consequential once the code base has reached the known good state of having made it through the release process

Re: [PROPOSAL] TL;DR editors

2013-04-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...The amount of email on this list has grown beyond ridiculousness. I propose a new required process on this list whereby anyone who starts a new thread is required to diligently monitor it and post a summary at the

Re: Bulldozing (was TL;DR editors)

2013-04-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: ...Or to create a bulldozer detector tool... My bulldozer detector is that I stop reading. I'm probably not alone ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe,

Re: Bulldozing (was TL;DR editors)

2013-04-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...What I am more worried about is where some new procedure or policy is enacted and there's no official notice... We could use an [IMPORTANT] tag in the subject lines for such things - but all policy changes require a

Re: April report filed

2013-04-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only Fow now, I've added a ''' REPORT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED - DO NOT EDIT ANYMORE ''' warning to

Re: [VOTE] Accept jclouds into the Apache Incubator

2013-04-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Rebecca Wood silky...@gmail.com wrote: ...I am calling a VOTE for acceptance of jclouds into the Apache Incubator +1 -Bertrand P.S. 10 mentors...I'll know where to look when other podlings need help ;-)

Re: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-07-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 7/27/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As releases marked as incubated will probably raise an eyebrow or two, what are our options?... Seen from another angle, releases marked incubating are a great way to help make your community aware of what's happening. Along with a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-07-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 7/26/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Wicket developers (http://wicket.sourceforge.net) have expressed a desire to incubate their project within the ASF Big +1 here. I've been looking at Wicket recently, and from a technical point of view I like what I see *a lot*. Your

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-07-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 7/26/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Wicket developers (http://wicket.sourceforge.net) have expressed a desire to incubate their project within the ASF BTW, if it's useful I'd be happy to help as an additional mentor. I'm not (yet) using Wicket though, so others might be

Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-08-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 8/3/06, Alex Karasulu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...BTW, if it's useful I'd be happy to help as an additional mentor... ...We welcome you. There can never be enough mentors. ok, so feel free to add my name to the list! -Bertrand

Re: Re: Wicket again (was Re: incubation process for open development open source projects)

2006-08-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 8/11/06, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I think recent discussion has shown quite clearly that there is quite a bit of disagreement on various aspects of incubation relevant to (among others) the wicket community... Just to make sure this is not misinterpreted: I think Leo means

Re: Joining Incubator PMC (was Re: [VOTE] Accept Wicket into the Incubator)

2006-08-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 8/24/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...Not sure if binding or not, I've signed up as a mentor for Wicket but didn't participate in incubator activities before. Currently non-binding. But, as an ASF member, you should ask the Incubator PMC to join

Re: Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/12/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...The only requirements ASF should enforce on projects is that they comply with the basic principles of the ASF in a legal and community sense. Anything else should be handled by the community/project itself, including how to compose a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/23/06, Xavier Hanin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I and all the Ivy team and user community hope you will consider this proposal carefully, and accept the project to join the foundation... Late but warm +1 (assuming a +1 can be *warm* ;-) -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Solr 1.1.0-incubating

2006-12-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 12/20/06, Yonik Seeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...The Solr community has voted to release apache-solr-1.1.0-incubating We now ask the Incubator PMC to approve this release +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [VOTE] graduate Solr to Lucene

2007-01-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 1/12/07, Yonik Seeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Felix Graduation

2007-01-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 1/17/07, Richard S. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I have attached the updated board resolution to this message... +1, with this updated resolution. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator;.. I'm +1 on the idea, with a suggestion below. ...committers may commit code they personally authored, or with proper attribution, commit patches posted

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