Re: [VOTE] Retire Wave

2018-01-08 Thread Upayavira
+1 binding(ish) On Mon, 8 Jan 2018, at 7:46 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > +1. (Binding) > > > On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:56 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > All, > > > > This is a call to vote for the retirement of the Wave podling. > > > > The podling has positively voted to

Re: Podling Graduation Rally

2017-02-21 Thread Upayavira
a source code donation, and it has accepted new committers. I am starting to consider that this has to be sufficient activity to justify graduation, although it is certainly on the lower limit. Thoughts? Upayavira On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, at 03:16 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Upayavira, > > I'

Re: Podling Graduation Rally

2017-02-13 Thread Upayavira
I would appreciate assistance in deciding whether Wave needs more than its current slow, but not stationary, development. Upayavira On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, at 06:07 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Awesome news, thanks everyone. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:17 PM Suneel Marthi <smar..

Re: DRAFT report September 2016

2016-09-12 Thread Upayavira
Apologies for my delay. With the following comment I sign off on Wave: "Once more Wave is on the brink of retirement. However, this time, an offer has been made of code from SwellRT, which is a fork of Wave itself, and a concall has been scheduled for interested parties to discuss whether it is a

Re: Final draft of the Incubator Board Report - April 2016

2016-04-11 Thread Upayavira
Regarding Wave, I'm happy to sign off the report, just didn't get time and got stuck regaining access to my wiki account given slow responses from Moin. And yes, if Wave continues in the incubator, it really could do with more mentors. Upayavira On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, at 11:56 AM, John D. Ament

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-25 Thread Upayavira
then another committer must commit it". If we're gonna debate RTC, can we please describe which of these we are talking about (or some other mechanism that I haven't described)? Otherwise, we will end up endlessly debating over the top of each other. Upayavira On Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 09:28 A

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-25 Thread Upayavira
, it is RTC, but not seemingly in the sense you are objecting to. Upayavira On Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 08:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > I think this is a distraction. You said it best the other day: RTC > implies > the need for "permission" before making a change to the codebase. > Comm

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-17 Thread Upayavira
. Please define what you mean by CTR or RTC before diving into further discussions about their relative merit. Otherwise we'll get locked into yet another ongoing discussion that leads nowhere! Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: g

Re: [VOTE] Apache Wave Release 0.4.0-incubating (RC10)

2015-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Ian, Please bear in mind that this release vote is to validate the legal aspects of the release, not its technical merits. Technical merits can be resolved in subsequent releases. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 6, 2015, at 02:51 PM, Ian Dunlop wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash:

Re: Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

2015-11-03 Thread Upayavira
n the low energy in Wave right now, I'd suggest we roll the above fixes into the process of managing this release. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

2015-11-02 Thread Upayavira
ommunity? I see > the Sentry podling creating code... just not much evidence of a > community outside what Sentry came in with. I have no comment/perspective on the rest of this. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: How to get more mentors on podlings

2015-10-24 Thread Upayavira
I think you mean "find". It could, otherwise, get expensive!! Upayavira On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, at 05:17 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I see this as the Champions role. You could ask for volunteers, and it > will get you folks but you really want people who are invested. As a >

Re: How to get more mentors on podlings

2015-10-23 Thread Upayavira
ple who you maybe know to have an interest. Attempt to sell the project. Whatever ways you can that will interest a potential mentor in signing up. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For addition

Re: Wiki access

2015-08-05 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015, at 09:59 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: The userid is RalphGoers. Ralph On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: For some reason I am not able to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Open CRM

2015-05-21 Thread Upayavira
Try now. On Thu, May 21, 2015, at 11:15 AM, shibasis sengupta wrote: Thanks Upayavira for the suggestion. Dear Members, can anyone please grant me access to create a page? My user name is shibasis sengupta. I am trying to submit a project for ASF incubation - the project is a prototype

Re: [PROPOSAL] Open CRM

2015-05-20 Thread Upayavira
provide your username here and someone will grant you write access. Upayavira On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 02:29 PM, shibasis sengupta wrote: Dear Members, When I am trying to create a new page for my proposal I am getting the error - You are not allowed to edit this page.. Attaching

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-27 Thread Upayavira
privilege, they are as it were paid by an external entity just like all other contributors to any other ASF project. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general

Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
“do that” == “subscribe them On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 05:01 PM, Upayavira wrote: Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this world complicated. If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily

Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this world complicated. If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily. Upayavira On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Do we have

Re: ICLA/CCLA/SGA guidelines for GitHub or multi-entity projects was: [Groovy] Next steps...

2015-03-26 Thread Upayavira
“grant” additional privileges. As we’ve noted, that’s an unclear thing. No-one has the right to speak on behalf of the many contributors to the original codebase without asking their permission first. Fortunately, we don’t need to do that :-) We can just import the code. Upayavira

Re: [VOTE] Accept Groovy into the Apache Incubator

2015-03-19 Thread Upayavira
+1 Upayavira On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 06:55 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Following the discussion earlier in the thread: http://s.apache.org/KWE I would like to call a VOTE for accepting Groovy as a new incubator project. The proposal is available at: https://wiki.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-17 Thread Upayavira
the vote will run for. Upayavira On Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 06:27 PM, Pascal Schumacher wrote: Hi everybody, when will the voting start? Or if it did start already when will there be decision? Thanks and kind regards, Pascal

Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-16 Thread Upayavira
When Stephen Connolly says ”We @ Maven will have a full dump of the Codehaus JIRA and we have a VM set up to test migration…” isn’t he implying that the Groovy issues are *included* in that? I.e. there’s not so much for you to worry about here? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Jochen

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-14 Thread Upayavira
, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Upayavira, Mind if I add your comment to the wave report? The report for March has been filed already. I've initialized the wiki template for our April report. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2015 Wave is not assigned to file

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-14 Thread Upayavira
Although, I should also make this point directly on wave-dev. I have long been quiet there, and it would be unfair for this to arise without their prior warning. Upayavira On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 08:42 PM, Upayavira wrote: Please do. On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 06:54 PM, Ted Dunning wrote

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-13 Thread Upayavira
the project. Reluctantly, I would be supportive of moving the project elsewhere. Upayavira On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 06:39 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Hi Roman, you might have noticed, that one of the mentors (me) were actively asking for this report. I simply forgot to sign it, which does

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-08 Thread Upayavira
, a normal TLP produce an incubated or provisional product? Upayavira On Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 03:00 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: On 3/4/15 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org mailto:cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015

Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)

2015-01-05 Thread Upayavira
people to a project, which is simply never going to happen. The best we can do is provide as much guidance to projects about how to engage their mentors, and how best to attract replacements when those mentors go awol, or leave gracefully. That much the Incubator PMC can do. Upayavira On Mon

Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)

2015-01-05 Thread Upayavira
connections with others who might be in a position to assist with mentorship should one or all of your current mentors become unable to fulfill the role. This is, actually, what happens, and I'd much rather we just said it like that :-) Upayavira

Re: Reflections from the outgoing Chair

2015-01-01 Thread Upayavira
- that knowledge and ability shouldn't be locked into the incubator PMC. That seems the one missing piece as yet undiscussed in the various disband the incubator discussions. Upayavira On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 01:41 AM, John D. Ament wrote: Roman, Thank you for your time as the chair. I eagerly

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-24 Thread Upayavira
that sort of situation. Upayavira On Wed, Dec 24, 2014, at 03:33 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: ...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor to recuse themselves for lack of helping Maybe we need

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Upayavira
of volunteer vs paid contributor amongst the proposed committers. etc, etc. Sure, people will work out what the expected answers are, but I always felt that there was something definitely wrong with the topic headings as we ask them. Upayavira On Mon, Dec 22, 2014, at 08:59 AM, jan i wrote: On Monday

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-24 Thread Upayavira
that a mature ASF project, one that is code-complete, doesn't release regularly, but an incubator project would not fall into that camp, therefore being able to say we can muster the resources to make a 'legally valid release' within a year seems eminently reasonable to me. Upayavira

Re: Request for mentor assessment

2014-06-12 Thread Upayavira
have wanted to stay here, and mentors have considered this acceptable. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 12, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Hi! I would like to kindly request some assistance from the mentors of the following projects: devicemap, kalumet, s4, wave and npanday (all CCed

Re: When to sign-off on Incubator reports?

2014-04-08 Thread Upayavira
FWIW as far as I am concerned, you can 'conditionally' sign off on a report, that is, with comments, if there's things you need to say. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Noah Slater wrote: The podling in question is Stratos. There was a lengthy discussion on a thread about

Re: [PROPOSAL] Stratosphere

2014-04-07 Thread Upayavira
I would suggest doing the vote and the name discussion simultaneously. Hopefully the name discussion can be resolved by the time infra is ready to do its stuff. It really is a good idea to avoid extra infra work, and multiple mailing list changes, if it can be helped. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 8

Re: IP Clearance before releasing

2013-12-12 Thread Upayavira
the foundation's policies doesn't. Upayavira On Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 05:51 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:50 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: And the Incubator _is_ different and does have different policy and rules, hence on occasion podlings being permitted to do

Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for Apache Incubator

2013-12-04 Thread Upayavira
by the champion or proposed mentors of the project. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

How long is too long in the incubator?

2013-11-29 Thread Upayavira
present with the podling. Does anyone here disagree with that sentiment? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [OT] Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread Upayavira
Currently listed at 180+. Upayavira On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote: On 23/11/13 09:30, ant elder wrote: (...) The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now (...) Sorry, off-topic, but interesting for me to get a better understanding of the conflict is being

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 04:59 AM, Alex Harui wrote: On 11/16/13 8:47 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Alex, I'm not sure I see the difference between a release auditor and an IPMC member. If someone is sufficiently clued up to audit a release, then they're surely ready

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
we're at it. Sure, it'll probably be alright, but best to offer someone something at a point when they have some appreciation of what they are joining, no? Upayavira On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 01:24 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Joining a PMC does not meaning being handed even one of the keys

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 03:41 PM, Alex Harui wrote: On 11/17/13 3:17 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: With a two tier model - with PPMC membership granting voting rights on podling releases, then a podling would start with just mentors on its PPMC. If you clearly knew what you

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
Marvin, you have my wholehearted agreement. Upayavira On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 07:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: 1) I think there is more to PPMC membership than just voting on releases. I'm sure that everyone agrees

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-16 Thread Upayavira
? My interest is in a lesser level of involvement, where someone has shown merit within their own PPMC and can get a binding vote there, but no-where else. That feels to me like a very useful intermediate step to have. Upayavira

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-13 Thread Upayavira
of IPMC members that they understand the Apache Way well enough to steward their project. I would be very supportive of such an experiment. Make the size of the merit granted fit the stage at which an individual is at. I presume #4 is: Three +1 votes from PPMC members required. Upayavira

Re: Majority vs Lazy Majority

2013-11-09 Thread Upayavira
votes? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Thanks for that! Here's another that someone posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4feature=youtu.be Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:49 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: The short guide to graduation

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
the incubator and the foundation, allowing merit to be recognised in individuals at a range of stages within a podlings lifecycle. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Whoops. Wrong email. Oh well. Creating that video was fun anyway. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Upayavira wrote: Thanks for that! Here's another that someone posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4feature=youtu.be Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:49 AM

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-07 Thread Upayavira
need to inform the board of the change of composition of 'sub-committees'? My thought is that if we can clarify what is legally possible, we will be better placed to find the appropriate model for the incubator that fits within those legal/bylaw bounds. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:47 AM

Re: [PROPOSAL] Weave for Apache Incubator

2013-10-29 Thread Upayavira
And Apache Wave too (which is what I first saw before I read the title more carefully). Upayavira On Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 09:12 PM, Matt Benson wrote: Hi, I am concerned about potential confusion with Apache Commons Weaver [1]. Matt [1] https://commons.apache.org/proper/commons

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch

2013-06-26 Thread Upayavira
- are you willing to start a new thread expressing your issues with that document? Thanks, Upayavira On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 08:22 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I don't think I've seen the template before, or it was too long ago and I failed to notice at the time. Noah has explained my concern

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Wave 0.4 based on RC3

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
as a PMC in training, their votes are considered important. In Wave so far, all committers are also PPMC members, so Ali could have just labelled folks 'PPMC' instead of 'committer' and Joe's concern would have been addressed. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 01:14 AM, Michael MacFadden wrote

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
such survey, author identity should be optional. Sometimes it can be deduced, but not always, and if someone would rather not mention their name, we should give them that opportunity. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Anomnity of the individual not the project. I can say my mentor was crap without stating my name - I could be any one of the PPMC. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:18:16AM +0100, Upayavira wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 03:54

Re: Instead of a Bill how about a Booklet? (was Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights)

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
on the incubator general list. If the optic is too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may contact the incubator ombudsman at x...@apache.org. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 05:40 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: +1 Having also come to Apache by joining a now graduated

Re: Instead of a Bill how about a Booklet? (was Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights)

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
something you can be judged against is useful. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: I have written up the suggestions so far into a wiki page https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect The content is pretty much what has been included in this thread reorganized

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-19 Thread Upayavira
Alexei, To answer your two points. Firstly they may want to complain in private. Without that option they may just suffer in silence. As to your Eco-champion idea, can I suggest you add it to the wiki page Bertrand created? Upayavira On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 06:50 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote

Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial committer?

2013-06-18 Thread Upayavira
was Sanjiva saying he won't claim the trademark, then that's great - he can say it here, or update the proposal doc or whatever, to reassure people, but the relevant document was essentially fixed at the time the vote was called, and substantive issues in it need to be handled in other ways. Upayavira

Re: Permission to add a page to the Incubator wiki

2013-06-17 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Klevenz, Stephan wrote: Hello, May I have permission to add and edit OData proposal on the Incubator wiki? My username is StephanKlevenz. Thanks! Stephan - To unsubscribe,

Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Upayavira
recruit replacements? Can we make any promises at that point? Upayavira On Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 03:16 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Since I realize that most of you can't be bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-), I'll go ahead and post the current content here for commentary.  I hope

Re: Incubator reorg ideas: sub-groups per technology?

2013-06-15 Thread Upayavira
, which are important to community building. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: Apologies if this horse has been beaten already, but... have we discussed the concept of splitting incubator operations into a handful of separate groups, based on technology areas

Re: Write permission to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2013?

2013-06-11 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 06:58 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: Hey all - Could I get write permission to the wiki, specifically for https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2013 and the like? Username is AndrewBayer. A. - To

Re: Looking for a Champion

2013-06-06 Thread Upayavira
that 'competitors' don't, such that potential mentors will feel motivated to support the project. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 07:17 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote: There is no requirement to be different to join, I just wonder 06.06.2013 9:36 пользователь Andy Van Den Heuvel andy.vandenheu

Re: Process of adding a proposal to the incubator wiki

2013-05-29 Thread Upayavira
You need to let us know your wiki username, and we will grant you write access. Upayavira On Wed, May 29, 2013, at 03:48 PM, Afkham Azeez wrote: Hi folks, Can somebody let me know what is the process of obtaining write access to the incubator wiki? I need to add an incubator proposal

Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?

2013-05-27 Thread Upayavira
I think it was just a question of 'retiring' sounding too final. Using the word 'dormant' was less threatening, and made it more feasible for the podlings to go, well, dormant. Upayavira On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 05:39 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote: They kinda sound the same. Why didn't podlings want

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-07 Thread Upayavira
thing for mentors/champions to take some of that load off the incubator PMC. It need merely be a reply to a Marvin 'are you there' email. Upayavira On Tue, May 7, 2013, at 04:37 PM, Tim Williams wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-05 Thread Upayavira
for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that direction. If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify one. Upayavira On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Discussions on Ross

Re: April report filed

2013-04-21 Thread Upayavira
You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only. Upayavira On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, at 03:53 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Does http

Re: [PROPOSAL] TL;DR editors

2013-04-09 Thread Upayavira
This is an interesting idea. It does, however, assume that the person who starts a thread is able to be sufficiently neutral to represent the whole story, rather than their own particular take on it. Such summarisation is something of an art. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 02:15 PM, Alan

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-02 Thread Upayavira
to articulate the problems do you see the incubator as having, that need to be solved? That is, without (yet) suggesting how it should be fixed? I'd be very curious to hear how you see it. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 2, 2013, at 02:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Niall, First off, thanks

Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
the breakup of the PRC did?? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013, at 07:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'. Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC aristocrats

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-27 Thread Upayavira
sure it is largely undocumented. I suspect that generally speaking it is incubator PMC members that do shepherding, but if someone reads reports and provides useful analysis, I suspect this will be greatly appreciated. Upayavira

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
X, and I see myself listed with karma on projects I mentored, which gives me kudos in the outside world. I'd personally rather not loose that kudos, it is kinda cool. Yet, do we want to 'give that' in return for zero activity? Did they really mentor project X? Upayavira On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 07

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
votes through, requiring votes from incubator PMC members who are not particularly focused on the podling. Solve that, and the idea has merit in my eyes. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Upayavira
, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that are actually paying some attention to the podling? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: I'd suggest a different approach, the motivation

Re: Write access on wiki

2013-03-07 Thread Upayavira
Done On Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 08:49 PM, Devaraj Das wrote: Could I please get write access on the wiki content under http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/. My username is DevarajDas. Thanks Devaraj - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Patches from contributors: missing ASF license inclusion?

2013-03-04 Thread Upayavira
of the discussion that happened around the time when the JIRA tick-box was removed: it isn't needed. Upayavira On Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: Hi On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Matthieu Morel mmo...@apache.org wrote: Hi, In the S4 project we have some

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-27 Thread Upayavira
into its own. The process of creating a new community and integrating one into another are completely different tasks that require differing approaches. Have I got it right? Upayavira On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 05:52 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Dave, On 2/27/13 9:44 AM, Dave Fisher

Re: [PROPOSAL] Knox Hadoop Gateway Project

2013-02-13 Thread Upayavira
sense, as these are people they are going to be working with. Just some reflections. Upayavira On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Josh Wills wrote: I thought that the need for diversity referred to the community, not to the mentors. I strongly advocate for newly incubating projects choosing

Re: Getting IPMC members to vote Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-25 Thread Upayavira
, which could well be just the feeling that they have contributed something of value to the world. Upayavira On Fri, Jan 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Gary Martin wrote: On 24 January 2013 18:52, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If you model the IPMC as a group of volunteers who have

Re: More and better report nagging

2012-12-18 Thread Upayavira
in the process of incubation, less later) and if after a few nags they don't do it, then DNR is just fine. Upayavira On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 09:04 AM, David Crossley wrote: Tim Williams wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 17

Re: More and better report nagging

2012-12-18 Thread Upayavira
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Personally, I'm not against nagging. Actually, when I'm on the receiving end, I usually appreciate it, as timeliness is not a quality I am widely praised

Re: Some missing things for the December report

2012-12-09 Thread Upayavira
I hereby note my sign off of the wave report, and ask for a volunteer to update the wiki page on my behalf. My currently available technology is simply not up to the task. Thx, Upayavira On Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 04:03 PM, Yegor Kozlov wrote: I signed off the report for Openmeetings. Yegor

Re: December reporting: All Mentors Please Sign Off and general note

2012-12-02 Thread Upayavira
Yes, true, but any invitation to communicate such difficulties is welcome IMO. Upayavira On Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 02:37 AM, Tim Williams wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: First of several reminders: For podlings reporting in December

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-04 Thread Upayavira
. Upayavira On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Upayavira
with. It is not uncommon for mentors to feel stretched, and thus might appreciate some help with their mentoring duties. Upayavira On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 06:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! ever since Bigtop has

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-06 Thread Upayavira
good question, and probably one for legal-discuss. It seems that most of the time deleting from svn is enough, although that's not a definitive statement! Upayavira On Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Noah Slater wrote: We have a situation with CloudStack where we have some jars that we do

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
to the copyright holder (assuming they knew it was there at all). Upayavira On Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: If you've not released it and you've deleted it from HEAD of all branches, I think you're fine. Noah Slater wrote on Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 23:09:45 +0100: Okay cool

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
issues that exist before code is checked in. Upayavira On Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 01:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Podling frequently check in dubious IP as part of initial imports, and then clean up HEAD later. I've never seen any evidence of a more thorough extirpation

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
This is something I recall from clarifications by Roy some while back - made a lot of sense to me. I'm not aware of it being documented anywhere, nor am I aware of it having been collectively agreed. If we can work out where, I'd be happy to write it up. Upayavira On Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 01:35

Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Upayavira
a technically valid or useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might actually have the counter-intuitive effect of drawing in fresh developers who want to fix those holes. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 02:01 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: Is there anything that could be released

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings Drupal Plugin 1.0 Incubating Release Candidate 1

2012-09-13 Thread Upayavira
Reading the issue, it mentions that the Zimbra plugin is done in Javascript. The Drupal faq says: Images, JavaScript, and Flash files that PHP sends to the browser are not affected by the GPL because they are data Could the Drupal plugin also be done in Javascript? Upayavira On Wed, Sep 12

Re: Incubator release task force

2012-07-26 Thread Upayavira
a handful of people who really get it. I would posit that one outcome of Jukka's suggestion is a simplified release process, which is likely to be understandable to a larger number of mentors, meaning you address your core issue. Just a thought. Upayavira On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Marvin

Re: What does 'project sponsorship' mean now?

2012-07-06 Thread Upayavira
to agree. Typically where a project graduates to is a graduation time decision, not an incubator entry decision, so it seems reasonable that the incubator sponsors a project until the right destination is agreed, even if the destination may seem obvious when incubation begins. Upayavira

Re: Write access to incubator wiki...

2012-07-03 Thread Upayavira
Done On Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote: MarcelOffermans On Jul 3, 2012, at 23:10 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: Can someone please (re)grant me write access to the incubator wiki? I

Re: Preparing for July report

2012-06-29 Thread Upayavira
Ask infra to add it as a cron task. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 09:29 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote: On 29/06/2012 09:14, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote: On 29/06/2012 01:04, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org

Re: Clutch data - could ReportingSchedule data be merged into podlings.xml ?

2012-06-12 Thread Upayavira
tell me your username on the wiki and I'll add you... On Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 09:32 AM, sebb wrote: On 9 June 2012 02:46, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2012 02:38, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: As the subject says: is there any need for a separate

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