On Thursday 04 October 2007 04:56, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
http://agileskills2.org/blog/2007/09/my_thoughts_on_the_differences.html
i have the impression that howard is one of those people who dominates
by his charisma and energy rather than any abuse of the process
Yes, and I hope he
On 9/25/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
+1.
If we knew
On 9/26/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
+1
Theres more of
On 01.10.2007, at 18:43, Roland Weber wrote:
Erik Abele wrote:
Sure, am happy to help (as a satisfied user of both,
HttpComponents and
JMeter); just let me know where you'd like to see me subscribed... (I
assume [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED])
That's great! Yes, those will be the
On 30.09.2007, at 18:17, Roland Weber wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
I don't know what to suggest, but perhaps recruiting one or more
veteran
ASFer, either just off the member's list or some experienced
Incubator
mentor, feeling this being important could just join the PMC and
at least
Erik Abele wrote:
Sure, am happy to help (as a satisfied user of both, HttpComponents and
JMeter); just let me know where you'd like to see me subscribed... (I
assume [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED])
That's great! Yes, those will be the interesting lists in terms
of future directions
On Sunday 30 September 2007 01:19, Roland Weber wrote:
The new HttpComponents as well
as the old HttpClient we maintain are being used by Apache
projects, so coming into the Incubator is not an option for
HttpComponents.
I agree. And typically, TLPs receive somewhat more exposure than
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
I don't know what to suggest, but perhaps recruiting one or more veteran
ASFer, either just off the member's list or some experienced Incubator
mentor, feeling this being important could just join the PMC and at least
ensure process with 3 pairs of eye balls.
Yeah,
Hello Niclas,
Staying at Jakarta will buy some time, but won't last forever.
If you have ideas on what to do with these small but active
projects, please come over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and share your
thoughts.
Can't Jakarta just be revitalized as a home for small, but mature and
Niall Pemberton wrote:
Theres more of an issue IMO with projects that don't come thru the
incubator, since they don't have to meet the Incubator's stringent
graduation requirement. As an example - Tapestry was pushed out to a
TLP from Jakarta,[...]
Jakarta is disintegrating. All big projects
On Saturday 29 September 2007 00:03, Roland Weber wrote:
Staying at Jakarta will buy some time, but won't last forever.
If you have ideas on what to do with these small but active
projects, please come over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and share your
thoughts.
Can't Jakarta just be revitalized as a
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dims wrote:
Niclas Hedhman asked:
Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and
how
the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF?
TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project
shelved.
Plus Kabuki,
On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
+1
Theres more of an issue IMO with projects that don't come thru the
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 04:18, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
this is probably just an indication that it's time to starting thinking...
+1 to all said.
Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how
the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF?
It
TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved.
-- dims
On 9/25/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 04:18, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
this is probably just an indication that it's time to starting thinking...
+1 to all
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
On 9/25/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dims wrote:
Niclas Hedhman asked:
Do we have any examples where corporate
On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
+1.
If we knew for sure that a project would be able to attract a
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of
incubating projects as a real problem.
Neither do I. It merely underscores the need to make sure that there is
such a sustainable community. But Niclas did ask for
On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
Actually I think it's showing the incubator's success even if it's always
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a
sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating
projects as a real problem.
Neither do I...
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
[...]
b) I can't say that I understand the technical merits of the proposal, and
just see the headline analyzing large data sets. And I would like to know
the relationship with UIMA's statement ... analyze large volumes of
unstructured information... and hear whether
Olga Natkovich wrote:
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to
the proposal.
High-level
I am a +1 on the proposal, but I am still unclear, at
this point, how Y! is going to align the open source aspects
of Pig with their hiring push for Pig developers as per:
http://research.yahoo.com/project/pig
I guess this is more a general concern about the changing dynamics.
First, of
On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Olga Natkovich wrote:
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like
to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness
to look for another name.
It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal and is
not an acronym. It
Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive
or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't
mean you deny its existence...
Of course, I thought the language was officially called igpay atinlay.
Craig
On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Doug Cutting
On 9/24/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive
or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't
mean you deny its existence...
And they make good pets in many cultures and are generally
acknowledged
On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive
or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal
doesn't mean you deny its existence...
+1
I find it a fun name, and the one unlikely to infringe on the
Jim Jagielski wrote:
In other words, if the corporate support
of the project or podling went away, would they stop
developing and working on the codebase because they,
after all, had no allegiance in the code at all? Were
they, in effect, coders-for-hire?
Yes, this is a known risk, perhaps the
Doug Cutting wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I
would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there
are any willingness to look for another name.
It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal
Actually we would really like to modify Ruby and Python to support Pig Latin
as part of the language: Ubyray and Ythonpay. We have avoided creating our
own crippled scripting language, there are just too many in the world, and
instead hope to take an existing language and and embedded Pig Latin
Hey,
On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would
like
to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness
to look for another name.
It is not meant to be
We could add rules indefinitely to make just about anyone not usable...
I don't have any issues
with Pig.
Carl.
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hey,
On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I
Doug Cutting wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I
would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there
are any willingness to look for another name.
It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal and
I don't find the name provocative either, but the connotations are a
bit weird :-P
On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Doug Cutting wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I
would like to hear the
On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
In other words, if the corporate support
of the project or podling went away, would they stop
developing and working on the codebase because they,
after all, had no allegiance in the code at all? Were
they, in
Olga Natkovich wrote:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to
the proposal.
Thanks for all the comments. I've seen no issues raised that should
block Pig from entering incubation. Unless something arises before
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 03:52, Olga Natkovich wrote:
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to
the proposal.
+1, but I also got a couple of observations.
a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like
to hear the rationale
+1 -- I'd offer to help as much as I can, but I know how little that
is right now :-(
Definitely support (and will probably use at least ;-)
-Brian
On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote:
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to
the proposal
+1 to the proposal, and I'd be happy to help as a mentor.
-Bertrand
-
To
+1 from me, too. It looks very promising. :-)
On 9/21/07, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling
according to
the proposal
+1 to the proposal, and I'd be happy
+1
-Jim
On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote:
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote:
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF
On 9/20/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote:
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
On 20.09.2007, at 19:06, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
On 9/20/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote:
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal
below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
Torsten Curdt wrote:
+1
Actually I would also be interested in stepping up as a mentor.
Thanks, that'd be great!
Please add yourself to the proposal in the wiki.
Doug
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Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according
Done!
On 20.09.2007, at 19:46, Doug Cutting wrote:
Torsten Curdt wrote:
+1
Actually I would also be interested in stepping up as a mentor.
Thanks, that'd be great!
Please add yourself to the proposal in the wiki.
Doug
-
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to
the proposal.
Hey,
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
Looks very cool to me. +1 to accepting Pig as an Incubator project.
I'll
Garrett Rooney wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored
by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend
to turn into their own top level project) rather than having it
sponsored by the Lucene PMC (where Hadoop currently resides)? It
Hey,
On 9/18/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
overlap a bit, but, to the primary folks involved, it feels like a
separate community and they'd prefer to aim for a TLP.
It should be clear to everyone involved, though, that part of the goal
of incubation is to diversify the project's
that plans to graduate and join the WS
PMC.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/woden/
Lawrence
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On 9/18/07, Lawrence Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored
by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend
to turn into their own top level project)
Is this true? I thought all new projects had to go through
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The
proposal is also available on wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal.
We would like to ask that the
+1 as well.
I would be happy to help with code contributions and user testing.
Yoav Shapira-2 wrote:
Hey,
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below.
The
proposal is also available on wiki at
On 9/18/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Garrett Rooney wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored
by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend
to turn into their own top level project) rather than having it
sponsored by
Garrett Rooney wrote:
(if anything it seems like a new TLP
associated with hadoop and generic distributed computing tools like
pig that are built on top of hadoop seems like it would make more
sense than just a pig TLP),
Yes, I agree. But that's not happened yet, and the Pig folks are ready
Yoav Shapira wrote:
It should be clear to everyone involved, though, that part of the goal
of incubation is to diversify the project's community so that it's not
disjoint from everyone else. I hope to have a bunch of non-Yahoo
people contributing to the project.
Indeed. That's the primary
On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Doug Cutting wrote:
Garrett Rooney wrote:
(if anything it seems like a new TLP
associated with hadoop and generic distributed computing tools like
pig that are built on top of hadoop seems like it would make more
sense than just a pig TLP),
Yes, I agree. But
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