Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread dion
Philipp K. Janert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/03/2002 09:47:31 AM: [snip] I don't think documentation is marketing - and what I tried to provide is simply documentation, not different in principle than Javadoc, only at a higher level. Except it also contained words such as immature,

RE: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Leo Simons
- Audience and Marketing: Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find something useful for their own projects. (Those users may turn into contributors over time!) It takes too much effort to support a user base for a project that changes rapidly (ie any 'alpha' status code).

FW: RE: RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-23 Thread Danny Angus
-Original Message- From: acoliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- I see a need for more integration documentation and top-down documentation. Jakarta isnt heirarchical, at all, and is in fact grossly federal, with member projects able to petition to join, cecede, be expelled. There

Re: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sun offered slightly more than we required by granting a large budget for TCK support when we only required binary access. Sun did this because they felt support was essential for success, given the current test suites and their design. It may be the first time I've seen Sun give more

Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
*shrugs* On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 00:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 11:58:20 PM: Perhaps you should contribute to the project. [snip] No point really. Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 17:47, Philipp K. Janert wrote: Dear Friends! First off, many thanks to Ted for posting my Draft Jakarta Overview, thus allowing everyone to review it, and many thanks to all who provided feedback on it, for or against. I would like to comment on some of the

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 03:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philipp K. Janert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/03/2002 09:47:31 AM: [snip] I don't think documentation is marketing - and what I tried to provide is simply documentation, not different in principle than Javadoc, only at a higher

Re: FW: RE: RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I should draw you a diagram of new federalism it would wreck your mind... ;-) On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 05:07, Danny Angus wrote: -Original Message- From: acoliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- I see a need for more integration documentation and top-down documentation.

POI site now works on NS 4.x

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi, Just wanted to point out that the POI site now works fine in Netscape 4.x. Sorry it took so long, somebody who will remain nameless forgot to update the site in CVS after he changed it. (Same issue with the broken images at the bottom) -Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 14:47 22.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: - Audience and Marketing: The document is directed towards people who may not be familiar with all the projects that exist under the Jakarta umbrella. Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find something useful for their own projects.

Re: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re:Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore)

2002-03-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/22/02 12:19 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought struck me today which is probably totally obvious to folk but I thought I'd share it anyways. Sun gets pots of cash from companies who develop J2EE compliant software from the J2EE license fees. So its in Sun's interest

Re: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation (fwd)

2002-03-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Peter Donald wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:00, Jason Hunter wrote: Peter Donald wrote: Wow this is absolutely fabulous - not what I expected to see - yea!!! If some one would bug them to include JMX in their soon to be blessed list then everything that we do at Apache would be

Re: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re:Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore)

2002-03-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/23/02 11:03 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:50 23.03.2002 -0500, you wrote: On 3/22/02 12:19 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought struck me today which is probably totally obvious to folk but I thought I'd share it anyways. Sun gets pots of cash from

Re: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re:Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore)

2002-03-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/23/02 12:12 PM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, the price of the license will drop if independent implementations are allowed. For App Servers, I think the barrier of entry is in the difficulty implementating the spec not in the licensing. It's going to be JBoss,

RE: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation

2002-03-23 Thread Leo Simons
I'll break my no-me-too-posts rule for this occasion: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Did I miss anyone? Great job, guys. Definately. Thanks. - Leo guess I can deinstall the .net development kit again...for now =) (and in the line of 'met too's -- I

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread dion
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24/03/2002 12:39:09 AM: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. Hummm...I'll put that comment in the pile of the most important activity in software development is

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 17:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24/03/2002 12:39:09 AM: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. Hummm...I'll put that comment in the pile of the

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread @Basebeans.com
Subject: Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview) From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Andrew C. Oliver wrote: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. True. /snip I agree, but you need a purpose for a release.

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 21:25, Jakarta General Newsgroup wrote: Subject: Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview) From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Andrew C. Oliver wrote: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better.

Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering

2002-03-23 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 3/22/02 11:36 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, we need to make a decision, pronto! Let's meet at 21st Amendment (563 2nd Street) at 7:30pm on Monday. We can take the rest from there. Martin. I will be there. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For