Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread dion
Philipp K. Janert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/03/2002 09:47:31 AM: [snip] I don't think documentation is marketing - and what I tried to provide is simply documentation, not different in principle than Javadoc, only at a higher level. Except it also contained words such as immature,

RE: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Leo Simons
- Audience and Marketing: Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find something useful for their own projects. (Those users may turn into contributors over time!) It takes too much effort to support a user base for a project that changes rapidly (ie any 'alpha' status code).

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 17:47, Philipp K. Janert wrote: Dear Friends! First off, many thanks to Ted for posting my Draft Jakarta Overview, thus allowing everyone to review it, and many thanks to all who provided feedback on it, for or against. I would like to comment on some of the

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 03:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philipp K. Janert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/03/2002 09:47:31 AM: [snip] I don't think documentation is marketing - and what I tried to provide is simply documentation, not different in principle than Javadoc, only at a higher

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 14:47 22.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: - Audience and Marketing: The document is directed towards people who may not be familiar with all the projects that exist under the Jakarta umbrella. Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find something useful for their own projects.

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread dion
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24/03/2002 12:39:09 AM: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. Hummm...I'll put that comment in the pile of the most important activity in software development is

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 17:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24/03/2002 12:39:09 AM: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. Hummm...I'll put that comment in the pile of the

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread @Basebeans.com
Subject: Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview) From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Andrew C. Oliver wrote: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better. True. /snip I agree, but you need a purpose for a release

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 21:25, Jakarta General Newsgroup wrote: Subject: Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview) From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Andrew C. Oliver wrote: 'News' as a measure of activity on a project is effectively useless. Commits/month would be a lot better

Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-22 Thread Philipp K . Janert
Dear Friends! First off, many thanks to Ted for posting my Draft Jakarta Overview, thus allowing everyone to review it, and many thanks to all who provided feedback on it, for or against. I would like to comment on some of the issues raised. - Purpose and Redundancy: To clarify the intended

Re: Backing out...(was: Re: What is Jakarta?)

2001-02-11 Thread Jan-Henrik Haukeland
Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*] Anyway, my point being that I'm really getting tired of being misread, misunderstood and being considered the general pain in the ass around here. My being here isn't helpful for me and it certainly isn't helpful for the community. [elegy] So

Re: Backing out...(was: Re: What is Jakarta?)

2001-02-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Jan-Henrik Haukeland wrote: So long and thanks for all the fish. You're not only a pain in the ass Jon, but an inconsistent pain in the ass. What's the point in saying goodbye and then keep on posting? I admit that I have a history of being obtuse, but the above sequence of words strikes

Re: Backing out...(was: Re: What is Jakarta?)

2001-02-11 Thread cmanolache
And Tomcat 3.3 probably wouldn't have a ratified release plan or nearly as many volunteers to support it. +1. Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Backing out...(was: Re: What is Jakarta?)

2001-02-11 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/11/01 7:31 AM, "Jan-Henrik Haukeland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're not only a pain in the ass Jon, but an inconsistent pain in the ass. What's the point in saying goodbye and then keep on posting? Go back and read my email again. What I said is that I was not going to take part in

Re: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-08 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
eady kicked that off in earnest, so I'll follow up in that thread. - Rod -Original Message- From: Steve Downey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: What is Jakarta? It may not be easier, but it's certainly more fun

RE: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-08 Thread Theo Keyzer
Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:29 AM GOMEZ Henri wrote: I'm +1 with Arieh Markel about . Jakarta Base Network Utilities . Jakarta Base JSP Utilities . Jakarta XML Utilities . Jakarta SMTP Utilities . Jakarta Tools How do you make the tools so that they don't tie into applications too

RE: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-08 Thread Sam Ruby
Costin Manolache wrote: What's wrong with having multiple thread pools or db pools, each having special characteristics and working best in different situations ? Different, plug compatible, db pools would be great. Having each project early bind to a specific one is not. If I wanted to

What is Jakarta?

2001-02-06 Thread Ted Husted
Since Java-Apache has apparently never actually been charted by the ASF, why not ask the board go ahead and charter it like the recent PMCs for PHP, Perl, and TCL, e.g. " ... the Apache Java Committee be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the Java

RE: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-06 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/2001 at 11:26 AM Delagrange, Morgan wrote: Right, but the Jakarta PMC chairman objects to that definition. I'm not sure if Sam Ruby has actually "objected" or not. It is evident that Roy Fielding has objected to the scope of the Jakarta

RE: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:01 06.02.2001 -0500, you wrote: On 2/6/2001 at 9:13 PM Ceki Glc wrote: What would be gained by refining the charter of Jakarta and pruning projects? Roy Fielding has indicated that some action is necessary. His two suggestions were to either ask the board to create additional PMCs, or to

Re: What is Jakarta?

2001-02-06 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/6/01 5:04 PM, "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't quite get why this is such an issue. The efficiency of a pool comes from sharing connections that use the same login to the same database. It would be likely that Jetspeed, Turbine, and Struts may all want to connect to