Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Approach. Use struts if you're using JSP Use Tapestry if you want to attach logic with div tags As for turbineCheshire cat grin...a lot of people use it with velocity. Use Cocoon is you live breathe and die XML and don't mind the extreme joy that comes from writing web pages in XSLT with

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Anything happening in this regard? -Harish Costin Manolache wrote: Ted Husted wrote: Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase in a more aggressive way. Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Anything happening in this regard? -Harish Costin Manolache wrote: Ted Husted

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Thanks, will results be posted here? -Harish Henri Yandell wrote: A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase in a more aggressive way. Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Anything happening

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Currently that doesn't happen. Would be nice if it could, but it just doesn't fit. When someone wins a vote, they're invited to join. If they accept, which they signify by joining the PMC list [the Jakarta Chair moderates it], then the Jakarta Chair passes their name onto the board and they're

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Thanks for the update. I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list with just a tally, like how JCP does it

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list If you are nominated and not elected people would know. Otherwise, there is privacy. I do

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Thiago Souza
Thanks! - Original Message - From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Differences Approach. Use struts if you're using JSP Use Tapestry if you want to attach logic with div

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list If you are nominated and not elected people

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Personally, I would send in the list to the board, get it ACK'd, and then celebrate the results with a public congratulatory notice. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jan 14, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be better going and asking each of the projects (who will probably send you links to their website).

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for that. Thanks to the Velocity Tools, http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/index.html many people, including myself, find Struts and Velocity to be an optimal

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jan 14, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Ted Husted wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be better going and asking each of the projects (who will

RE: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be the General list again :) As a side note, Roy just insisted that a vote to release a product from the Incubator be moved from the PMC list to the general@