Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Morgan Delagrange wrote: --- Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-) ) Doesn't there need to be some legalese? Jakarta does not endorse those vendors; that should probably be noted. IANAL -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at jakarta-site2 committer discretion. So, if a committer is competing with another company, he can veto that company's patches? How is this governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a non-for-profit volunteer organization? No, but if you send a patch for ASP development and its completely irrelevant to jakarta and no one feels like committing it then *shrug*. I'll commit patches for whomever no matter what they're doing as long as its relevant to jakarta and I have time (read: I'm doing something I actually feel like doing and there is a patch I'll apply it at the same time). I think this is preferrable to ads cross posted on the mail lists. -Andy If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage. Thanks, -Andy PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week. On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote: +1 from me. While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their consultant services to the general list. Hen On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote: +1 to all of that. - Leo Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they are there for. This does a few things: 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people here including myself as I like working with GOOD software) 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta, won't annoy people who might otherwise use them. 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on. 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
--- Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-) ) Doesn't there need to be some legalese? Jakarta does not endorse those vendors; that should probably be noted. -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at jakarta-site2 committer discretion. So, if a committer is competing with another company, he can veto that company's patches? How is this governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a non-for-profit volunteer organization? If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage. Thanks, -Andy PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week. On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote: +1 from me. While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their consultant services to the general list. Hen On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote: +1 to all of that. - Leo Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they are there for. This does a few things: 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people here including myself as I like working with GOOD software) 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta, won't annoy people who might otherwise use them. 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on. 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, or only for companies that support Apache projects ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. Costin On 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Please see: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-) ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at jakarta-site2 committer discretion. If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage. Thanks, -Andy PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week. On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote: +1 from me. While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their consultant services to the general list. Hen On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote: +1 to all of that. - Leo Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they are there for. This does a few things: 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people here including myself as I like working with GOOD software) 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta, won't annoy people who might otherwise use them. 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on. 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they want (in the form of a patch, I'd say). I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible headaches). Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either... cheers, - Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair! JM ZZZ Technologies Inc. -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they want (in the form of a patch, I'd say). I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible headaches). Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either... cheers, - Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
On 14 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote: ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( == dmoz.org ) ? I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine. Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( == dmoz.org ) ? I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine. I've no preference. Go ahead and alter the page (via patch which I'll apply or commit) to read this way if you like. If there isn't any resistance in the next day or so I'll submit the corresponding patch to the mail pointing people to this page and submitting patches to it as opposed to posting advertisements to the list. -Andy Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
:-D descending alphabetical order is fine with me as well ;-) Go ahead and submit patches or commit that reflect this view ;-) -Andy On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:26, James Mitchell wrote: Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair! JM ZZZ Technologies Inc. -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they want (in the form of a patch, I'd say). I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible headaches). Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either... cheers, - Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:19, Leo Simons wrote: Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 agreed. -1. or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 exactly. ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I have no opinion on that. I'm fine with either way. I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. -1 Those who wish to be listed should submit patches to list themselves. This also forms a bit of natural quality assurance. If they are too dumb to figure out how to submit a patch, then its a public service not to list them ;-). There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they want (in the form of a patch, I'd say). I'm very okay with you doing that. I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible headaches). I have no opinion on that. Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either... Well I'm sure if it is important enough to you you'll find time. If its not then well its not to me either ;-) -Andy cheers, - Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in Java http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
If the point of this page is to stop posting of project specific products, e.g. Struts IDE, Ant editors, Maven plugins to the project lists, I think it's misguided. Why? From a project perspective, you will subscribe only to those lists you are interested in. If someone updates vendor.html, noone on the mailing lists will notice, so there will still be a need to post to the mailing list to ensure the project users know. If it's a list of vendors using jakarta or selling services, fine. But let's be clear about what it is. Up until now, I think Struts is the only project that lists external resources/consultants/companies that support the product. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers costinm@coval ent.net To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 05/15/02 06:49 Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache AMlists Please respond to Jakarta General List Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, or only for companies that support Apache projects ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. Costin On 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Please see: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-) ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at jakarta-site2 committer discretion. If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage. Thanks, -Andy PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week. On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote: +1 from me. While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their consultant services to the general list. Hen On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote: +1 to all of that. - Leo Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies -- lets innovate it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they are there for. This does a few things: 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people here including myself as I like working with GOOD software) 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta, won't annoy people who might otherwise use them. 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on. 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
