Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-24 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Right - many, many levels of provenance... provenance of source code is not very much different from provenance of workflow definitions. We already did quite a bit of work with that on a social level with our generic workflow sharing platform myExperiment - http://www.myexperiment.org/home -- e.g.

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Thanks for the clarifications. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > ...Provenance exchange - I am thinking in particular if it would be > possible to combine our W3C PROV-O provenance support - > https://github.com/taverna/taverna-prov (which describes a workflow > r

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-22 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Hi, apologies for replying late. That is the correct link for the Taverna workshop invitation - or http://taverna2014.eventbrite.co.uk/ for short. We have been testing the use of Google+ Hangouts, so we'll try to use that, with recording/streaming to Youtube. That could eliviate some of the time

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, I have already voted +1 on the incubation, but I have two nitpicks on the proposal: > ...Taverna developer workshop (2014-10-30).. It's good to advertise here how people can join - I suppose that's http://www.taverna.org.uk/2014/09/08/taverna-open-development-workshop-2014-10-30-2014-10-

Re: FW: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-16 Thread Shameera Rathnayaka
Hi Stain, Great, I will continue the discussion there then. Thanks, Shameera. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes < soiland-re...@cs.manchester.ac.uk> wrote: > Thanks, I have signed up to the Airavata Architecture mailing list to > follow the discussion. > > If you could Reply

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Joyce
niversity of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++ > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Stian Soiland-Reyes > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 4:52 AM > To: "gene

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 4:52 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Would any of the Taverna mentors be interested in joining the Taverna Development Workshop at the end of the month? http://taverna2014.eventbrite.co.uk/ http://dev.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/display/developer/Taverna+Open+Development+Workshop I know most of you are not really based near Manchester - but

Re: FW: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Thanks, I have signed up to the Airavata Architecture mailing list to follow the discussion. If you could Reply to the existing thread I can chip in with a description of SCUFL2. On 30 September 2014 17:31, Shameera Rathnayaka wrote: > Hi Devs, > >> >> >> >Apache Airavata http://airavata.apache.

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
On 25 September 2014 19:19, Suresh Marru wrote: > Hi Stian, > If you need a mentor, count me in. I actively contribute to Apache Airavata, > and will be happy to bring our experiences from a similar journey. Infact > Ross queried on airavata lists few years ago about potential taverna move to

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
On 25 September 2014 17:34, David Nalley wrote: > Can you make sure a comprehensive list of those currently incompatible > list of dependencies is included in your proposal. I have added them to http://dev.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/display/developer/Third-party+licenses and added references to this fro

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-15 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 14/10/14 16:51, Marlon Pierce wrote: Hi all-- I'm a bit late on this but I would also like to serve as a mentor. I'm a PMC member of Apache Airavata and Apache Rave, and I've also served as a mentor for Apache Stratos. Marlon Marlon, Thank you for the offer - I've added you to the the men

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-10-14 Thread Marlon Pierce
Hi all-- I'm a bit late on this but I would also like to serve as a mentor. I'm a PMC member of Apache Airavata and Apache Rave, and I've also served as a mentor for Apache Stratos. Marlon On 9/26/14, 10:18 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote: On 25/09/14 19:19, Suresh Marru wrote: If you need a ment

Re: FW: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-30 Thread Shameera Rathnayaka
Hi Devs, > ​ > > >Apache Airavata http://airavata.apache.org/ is a software framework > >for executing and managing computational jobs and workflows on > >distributed computing resources. Taverna's concern is not as much job > >coordination, but more of a data flow between services. Airavata's > >

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-28 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 9:19 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: [Propos

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
riginal Message- >> From: David Nalley >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:34 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Cc: Shoaib Sufi >> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow >

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-26 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Thanks, Andy, and all who responded and volunteered (yay!). I'm sure Shoaib will respond, but as I have been the main "maven and build guy" on the project I guess I should also chip in. I'll try to find time to respond properly to the excellent questions next week, in between my baby duties. Some

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-26 Thread David Nalley
che.org" > Cc: Shoaib Sufi > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow > > [..snip..] >> >>I see two paragraphs here that don't answer the question posed. Where >>will plugin development happen in an ideal world? > > This is an implementation detail and c

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-26 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 25/09/14 19:19, Suresh Marru wrote: If you need a mentor, count me in. I actively contribute to Apache Airavata, and will be happy to bring our experiences from a similar journey. Infact Ross queried on airavata lists few years ago about potential taverna move to airavata/apache(Ross mentio

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Suresh Marru
Hi Stian, Thank you for very nice elaborations. I really liked your honest views on where things are and where you want to be. As you might have experiences with Jena and other projects, apache is about community. It will take significant work to get pass the current tone of "us vs them" to “we

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ince then. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980)<mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> > Sent: ?9/?25/?2014 10:09 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> > Cc: Shoaib Sufi<mail

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
changed quite considerably since then. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980)<mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> > Sent: ‎9/‎25/‎2014 10:09 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> > Cc: S

RE: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: ‎9/‎25/‎2014 10:09 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> Cc: Shoaib Sufi<mailto:shoaib.s...@manchester.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow Hi Guys, -Original Message- From: David Nalley Reply-To: &

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Hi Guys, -Original Message- From: David Nalley Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:34 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Cc: Shoaib Sufi Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow [..snip..] > >I see two paragra

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread David Nalley
> >> * Do you have any third party dependencies in the Taverna core that have >> incompatible licenses (like GPL)? > > Unfortunately we do have a few of those, yes - the fact that we have > to move away from those was one of the things that we discussed a lot > in the Taverna community. > Can you

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Suresh Srinivas
This is an exciting project. If you you need a volunteer, I am available. My interests are from my close participation in related projects - Hadoop, Falcon, and Storm. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes < soiland-re...@cs.manchester.ac.uk> wrote: > I hereby present the Apache In

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
9 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow >Proposal now moved

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
++ -Original Message- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow >Proposal now moved to the Apache wiki: > >http

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Proposal now moved to the Apache wiki: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TavernaProposal I just used copy-paste - so there might be some mistakes introduced - feel free to correct. I will be away for 2 weeks - but my colleague Shoaib Sufi should have signed up to this list to assist in any ques

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
neral@incubator.apache.org" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:03 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Cc: Shoaib Sufi Subject: Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow >On 23 September 2014 18:54, Marlon Pierce wrote: >> * Can you say more about why you want to take Taverna to

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
In addition to what I said to Marion, One of the things we want to achieve in the short-term is to get non-Manchester developers comfortable with working with the code base. We already have a fair amount of documentation on this - http://dev.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/display/developer/Developers+Guide -

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
On 23 September 2014 18:54, Marlon Pierce wrote: > * Can you say more about why you want to take Taverna to the ASF? As we say in the proposal, one of our goals of moving to ASF is to make it more obvious that we want to run an open development process. So far we have effectively been leading Tav

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-25 Thread Suresh Marru
Hi Sitan, I am also interested in knowing your responses to some of the questions below. Looking through this list archives you will find that the issue of homogenous developers comes up every now and then. Its a welcoming move from Taverna team to pursue ASF as a potential home, but its import

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-24 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
al Message- >> From: Stian Soiland-Reyes > > >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org " < >> general@incubator.apache.org > >> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:43 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org " < >> general@incu

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-23 Thread sebb
On 23 September 2014 13:43, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > I hereby present the Apache Incubator proposal for the project Taverna. > > > Also available in rich text in the Taverna wiki (with more hyperlinks!): > > http://dev.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/display/developer/Taverna+incubator+proposal > > (Could

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-23 Thread Marlon Pierce
Thanks, Stian, for submitting a well-developed proposal and for your interest in Apache. I have a few questions: * Can you say more about why you want to take Taverna to the ASF? * What is your strategy for increasing the diversity of your committer base? * Do you have any third party dependen

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-23 Thread Michael Joyce
sday, September 23, 2014 5:43 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org " < > general@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: List for general discussion and hacking of the Taverna project > > > Subject: [Proposal] Taverna workflow > > >I hereby present the Apache Incu

Re: [Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-23 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
ot; Cc: List for general discussion and hacking of the Taverna project Subject: [Proposal] Taverna workflow >I hereby present the Apache Incubator proposal for the project Taverna. > > >Also available in rich text in the Taverna wiki (with more hyperlinks!): > >http://dev.mygrid.org.

[Proposal] Taverna workflow

2014-09-23 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
I hereby present the Apache Incubator proposal for the project Taverna. Also available in rich text in the Taverna wiki (with more hyperlinks!): http://dev.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/display/developer/Taverna+incubator+proposal (Could someone grant me access to edit the Incubator wiki pages? My wiki us