On Mon, 12 Mar 2012, Alec Warner wrote:
The previous council's decision does not prevent this same glep from
going to the council again (decisions are not forever.)
Some folks seem to think that taking glep55 back to the council is
not allowed somehow (or is perhaps futile, but that is a
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:14:23PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
On 13 March 2012 17:31, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote:
Worse, it actually makes parsing _worse_ than it already is. ??What G55
had going for it was ease of filtering out unsupported eapi's.
Literally just filter the
On 03/12/12 11:57, Kent Fredric wrote:
On 12 March 2012 22:37, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote:
Ebuilds *are* bash. There isn't ever going to be a PMS labeled
xml format that is known as ebuilds... that's just pragmatic reality
since such a beast is clearly a seperate format (thus
Alec Warner posted on Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:53:58 -0700 as excerpted:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 13 March 2012 11:02, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote:
The previous council's decision does not prevent this same glep from
going to the
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:12:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
This whole thing is just an exercise in trying to find excuses not to
use GLEP 55.
A filename should not be (ab)used as a database. The main argument for
GLEP 55 is that it would make ebuild-processing generic. I.e. making
On 13 March 2012 19:41, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:12:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
This whole thing is just an exercise in trying to find excuses not to
use GLEP 55.
A filename should not be (ab)used as a database. The main argument for
GLEP
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:41:13AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:12:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
This whole thing is just an exercise in trying to find excuses not to
use GLEP 55.
A filename should not be (ab)used as a database. The main argument for
GLEP
Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:14:23 +1300 as excerpted:
Eh? How? If you make . a forbidden character in an eapi
specificiation,
and make . the delimiter
dev-foo/foo-bar-2.3.4.eapi5.eb
How does that require regex?
remove the .eb , and the last token remaining is
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:13 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:12:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
This whole thing is just an exercise in trying to find excuses not
to use GLEP 55.
A filename should not be (ab)used as a database.
You mean we
On 3/12/12 7:58 PM, Marco Paolone wrote:
scarabeus recently posted on his blog [1] about submission of stabilization
requests from users. Since using bugzilla could be a mess of duplicated
entries, I was thinking about a Stabilization Party once a month for
example,
in order to have a
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:49 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 08:52:20PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
On 11 March 2012 22:09, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
eg:
ircChannel #gentoo-guis on the freenode network/irc
or
irc#gentoo-guis on the
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
upgrade udev. This situation is a heck of a lot easier to figure out
if the system still can be
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Brian Harring wrote:
Perfectly valid, if stupid, bash:
EAPI=3
EAPI=4
Which is the PM to choose? Because if your answer is the first,
then you need to keep in mind that any following code (including
eclasses that test eapi) will be seeing the second during
Excerpts from Andreas Herz's message of 2012-03-12 23:33:40 +0100:
I use mcabber with gnupg2 and it has no problem with pinentry.
May i ask how you configured mcabber?
Do you use the curses pinentry?
Gtk usually, but curses works fine, too. I haven't configured anything
special in mcabber
Hm, I have just realised that we're not discussing it on ml, and
unnecessarily I've CC'ed it to ml, sorry.
--
Amadeusz Żołnowski
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
upgrade udev. This
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:22:26 -0400
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
On a somewhat sarcastic note, why don't we just deprecate /usr and
move everything back to /? Isn't that, largely, what is being
accomplished here? Solaris at least keeps some kernel stuff in / off
of /stand (I
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:43:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Question... does it have to be an initramfs, or can the vast majority
of simple cases be handled by a simple initscript in /bin or /sbin that
mounts /usr, and does whatever else is required, before handing off
control to
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:33:28 -0700
Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
The proper form of an irc url is in my example
irc://irc.gentoo.org/gentoo-guis and I took it from gentoo's irc
channel page at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml .
Exactly. Most web browsers would know what to do
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:33:28AM -0700, Brian Dolbec wrote:
... and just when I was beginning to think no one actually cared :) ...
I specifically wanted to avoid any special regex to pull data out of the
XML. Merging fields is acceptable, splitting them based on regex isn't.
The proper form
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Richard Yao r...@cs.stonybrook.edu wrote:
To make XML a viable substitute for bash, you will need to implement a
turing complete language in XML, which should probably preclude its use
in ebuilds. You would likely have better luck with a functional
programming
On 13 March 2012 01:22, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
We should be working to getting rid of /usr and bring it all back into /,
then create temporary /usr symlinks to point programs in the right
direction. After all, /usr was originally for user data, not system data,
until someone
On mar, 13 2012 08:46:06, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
On 3/12/12 7:58 PM, Marco Paolone wrote:
scarabeus recently posted on his blog [1] about submission of stabilization
requests from users. Since using bugzilla could be a mess of duplicated
entries, I was thinking about a Stabilization Party
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 08:20:08PM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07:48PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
ssmtp has been quiet project for quite a while, where as msmtp is
maintained one.
sure, ssmtp might be just mature, but msmtp is equally small and has
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On 12/03/12 11:14 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote:
On 03/12/2012 22:33, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
On 2012-03-12, at 9:22 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org
wrote:
And yes, I've already tested out udev-181 on a VM with a
separate /usr. With
On 12.3.2012 1.15, William Hubbs wrote:
How do you plan to handle notifying stable users if you go with ?
I was thinking of another news item once we are ready to go stable.
What do you think?
William
We could reuse the same news item if we now release it as = and then
release a new
Am Montag, 12. März 2012, 21:22:26 schrieb Joshua Kinard:
[...]
After all, /usr was originally for user data, not system data,
until someone cooked up /home (I don't know the full exact history here, so
feel free to correct me).
IIRC usr = unified system resources (not an abbrev. for user)
On 03/13/2012 12:03 AM, Brian Harring wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:41:13AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
2) Any potential ebuild processor that's incapable of looking for regex
^EAPI= in a textfile, amd parsing the numbers that follow, has no
business being used to process ebuilds.
On 13.03.2012 07:22, Brian Harring wrote:
Still is god awfuly fugly though, and reliant on digits as the first
character to be readable. Consider exheres:
dev-foo/foo-bar-2.3.4.eapiexheres.eb
Just for the record, your example is wrong. For exheres, it would be
foo-bar-2.3.4.exheres-0
0
On 03/11/2012 05:49 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
If people want to enforce the eapi1 is no longer used in the gentoo
repo, that's fine- we stick a list of acceptable EAPI's into
its layout.conf.
That sounds pretty reasonable, although I think a deprecation warning
would be more appropriate that
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:10:14PM +0100, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On 13.03.2012 07:22, Brian Harring wrote:
Still is god awfuly fugly though, and reliant on digits as the first
character to be readable. Consider exheres:
dev-foo/foo-bar-2.3.4.eapiexheres.eb
Just for the record, your
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 07:50:36PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
GLEP 55 is simple, it solves all the problems we have (including the
version issue, which everyone is conveniently ignoring), it doesn't
require us to guess what's going to happen
On 13 March 2012 14:41, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote:
Am Montag, 12. März 2012, 21:22:26 schrieb Joshua Kinard:
[...]
After all, /usr was originally for user data, not system data,
until someone cooked up /home (I don't know the full exact history here, so
feel free to correct
On 03/13/2012 01:11, Luca Barbato wrote:
Our current init system doesn't have any problem with /usr being mounted
later, but udev might have issues.
Same could be said about bluez and dbus.
bluez and dbus aren't system-critical services, however. udev kinda is,
along with key filesystem
On 03/13/2012 07:54, James Broadhead wrote:
On 13 March 2012 01:22, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
We should be working to getting rid of /usr and bring it all back into /,
then create temporary /usr symlinks to point programs in the right
direction. After all, /usr was originally for
On 03/13/2012 01:17, Luca Barbato wrote:
So you need need a smaller udev that is completely self contained and make
sure anything needed for the key rules works. I wonder if the pci-ids cannot
stay somewhere in /etc or /lib
lu
I think gregkh is already on record as saying that the
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:30:22AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
EAPI is special. You need to know EAPI to be able to get the rest of
the metadata.
2) Any potential ebuild processor that's incapable of looking for
regex ^EAPI= in a textfile, amd parsing the numbers that follow,
has no
On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
get my system into a minimally-usable state. I've been running
On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 20:29 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
On 03/13/2012 08:29 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
I'm answering Ciaran's and Brian's posts together, because the answer
is the same for both... namely, we need a 2-pass processor, regardless
of whether it's bash/perl/python/whatever. Pass 1 checks for syntax
errors and retrieves special variables,
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
The trend now seems to be to modularize everything these days, even stuff
like the core disk drivers, then build those core modules into an initramfs
that the kernel cherrypicks from at boot. That's the perception, anyways,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:29, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
make menuconfig, make bzImage|vmlinux[.32][, make modules[_install]], then
update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:29:31PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
make menuconfig, make bzImage|vmlinux[.32][, make modules[_install]], then
update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
/usr.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:29:03PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:30:22AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
EAPI is special. You need to know EAPI to be able to get the rest of
the metadata.
2) Any potential ebuild processor that's incapable of looking for
regex
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:05:26AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/12/2012 01:36 AM, Brian Harring wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:08:24PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
1) User downloads an overlay that doesn't provide cache. We want the
package manager to give a pretty EAPI unsupported
On 03/13/2012 06:42 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
Leaving it such that the PM has to enforce things like don't have
multiple EAPI assignments means by default, one of them isn't going
to... leading to the ebuilds breaking... specifically the common case
being the ebuild becoming acclimated to
On 03/13/2012 07:01 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
With respect; you're proposing we go gum up version parsing via
shoving EAPI directly into it. Literally, make what is already a
complex mess, worse. Apply some KISS to your proposal please. ;)
Just hammering the point home; compatibility *is*
On 03/13/2012 10:05 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/13/2012 06:42 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
Leaving it such that the PM has to enforce things like don't have
multiple EAPI assignments means by default, one of them isn't going
to... leading to the ebuilds breaking... specifically the common case
On 03/13/2012 07:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Someone should really throw up a table on wiki.g.o with a comparison of
the proposed methods.
We've got one already:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Alternate_EAPI_mechanisms
--
Thanks,
Zac
On 03/13/2012 10:36 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/13/2012 07:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Someone should really throw up a table on wiki.g.o with a comparison of
the proposed methods.
We've got one already:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Alternate_EAPI_mechanisms
*facepalm*
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:05:57PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/13/2012 06:42 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
Leaving it such that the PM has to enforce things like don't have
multiple EAPI assignments means by default, one of them isn't going
to... leading to the ebuilds breaking...
On 03/13/2012 07:38 PM, Brian Harring wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:05:57PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
If all package managers adhere strictly
to these two requirements, then we won't have any incompatibilities
between package managers here.
You're missing a lot of the point here;
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