On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:17:51 +1000
Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While Thomas's questions are pertinent, his tone was rather hostile and
remarks accusatory. That's unfortunate. I hope dsd doesn't take it too
personally.
Sorry if it came across rather harsh, it was not my intent. I
You haven't gotten one of these e-mails from me for a few week because
there hasn't been a lot of activity. However, this week we got quite a
few CPU offers and a request from a developer who is in need of a
hard drive.
Just a reminder, we have a spiffy list of stuff that people want
to give
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:21:21 -0400
Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is your 1 week warning.. fix any packages which don't compile and
ensure the fix is also in the stable tree.
What package(s) are going stable in 1 week? I have no clue what you are
writing about since you didn't
There have been a number of developers leaving Gentoo in the past 6
months as well as a number of news stories on DistroWatch, Slashdot,
LWN, and others about Gentoo's internal problems. No one seems to have
pin pointed the problem, but it seems glaringly obvious to me. We
simply don't have enough
On 10/4/06, Christian Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday, 04. October. 2006 13:00, Thomas Cort wrote:
- Devs can only belong to 5 projects at most
Reducing the stress on people ? No clue what that would solve.
There are developers who belong to many projects and do very little
On 10/4/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:00:14 -0400 Thomas Cort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| - Double the number of developers with aggressive recruiting
Aggressive recruiting isn't going to find you more competent people.
All it's going to do is increase
On 10/4/06, Luca Longinotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People come and go, I still see Gentoo going forward, packages still get
updated, work gets done
The number of opened bugs has always been higher than the number of
closed bugs in the bug stats listed in every 2006 GWN. How is this
'going
On 10/4/06, Brandon Low [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What if the problem is too many devs instead of too few? Slackware
Linux is a comparatively simple to maintain distribution, but ONE person
does it. How many devs are on Gentoo now? 200? more? A close knit
group of college students and bored
The minority arches like mips, sparc etc seem to get along quite happily.
Not the minority arches like m68k, s390, alpha, ...
- Reduce the number of projects by eliminating the dead, weak,
understaffed, and unnecessary projects
Weak: Be more specific. What are the weak projects, and why?
On 10/4/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- No competing projects
do we have any competing projects now?
I believe seeds competes with releng (since they both want to release
stage tarballs). Some people don't believe that the two projects
compete, but it isn't up for discussion in
- Double the number of developers with aggressive recruiting
Why do people think that this is a good idea? I have a different one.
How about we *half* the number of developers, keeping the people who do
the most work, and let everyone else contribute as members of the
community? Having
On 10/4/06, Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:21:08 -0400
Thomas Cort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The minority arches like mips, sparc etc seem to get along quite
happily.
Not the minority arches like m68k, s390, alpha, ...
I haven't seen any significant numbers
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:11:17 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why does it need to be part of releng ?
releng and seeds will be doing similar tasks, releasing stage tarballs.
-Thomas
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/seeds/
Why is this being done as a top level project instead of as a subproject
of Release Engineering?
-Thomas
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Below are all of the community member offers and developer requests made
in the last 7 days. As always, the full list of offers and requests can
be found on our project page
http://gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/adopt-a-dev/index.xml
-Thomas
Community Member Offers
There are two adopt-a-developer policy changes. The max value limit for each
item has been raised from $100 to $250. Things are going well and we plan
on removing the limit entirely in the future. We're just waiting for an
accountant to get back to Christel about some questions we have relating to
Greetings Fellow Developers,
New items are being added to the Adopt a Developer project page[1] all
the time. However, developers who don't check the project page won't
know about all the new stuff. Similarly, users won't be aware of new
developer needs unless they check the project page. So, I'd
You should look for existing tools which could be enhanced before
suggesting a new one. `bugz post` (from www-client/pybugz) allows you
to submit a new bug report from the command line. Why don't you go and
patch that to do all of the automated things you want it to do and then
come back and show
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:11:24 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm working on my own tool, written in java.
That's great. Have you or are you going to setup a project page
somewhere (maybe sourceforge.net)? You should be aware that java isn't
available on every platform that Gentoo
On 11 Aug 2006 00:00:00 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer) wrote:
Tach Jeroen, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Jeroen Roovers schrieb:
One solution might be to open your own AT bug, make the stabilisation
bug depend on it, and use the AT bug to
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:50:55 +0200
Jeroen Roovers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose the `emerge --info` included in arch testers' comments on
stabilisation bugs should rather be posted as attachments. The AT
comments clog up the bugs and are usually not interesting at all to devs
other than
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:58:46 +0200
Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not about trust, it's about knowing what the CFLAGS/FEATURES
were. That way if someone else reports a failure, you can compare the
reports and see what differences might be triggering the fault.
I get that
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:46:08 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can I get an patch downloaded from some location and then applied ?
I've inspecting some ebuilds in the portage tree and learned how to
apply patches in the files/ subdir. Now I need to know, how to download
the
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:50:18 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Jan Kundrat [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
For example: I've got several headless server systems where I now
have to run some X applications. I only need xlib (and its deps)
Hello,
The Adopt a Developer[1] project hasn't gotten any requests[2] from
developers needing hardware or shell accounts or books or anything
else, so I'm just writing a little note to encourage any developer (who
has been a developer for at least 6 months) who could use extra stuff
to improve
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:26:44 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The bad thing is that those things don't get neither into the upstrem
nor other distros.
^--- This should be a warning flag ---^
If other distros aren't doing it and upstream isn't doing it, then it
may no be that
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:01:45 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously, not everyone wants to be vigilant - but
if you aren't - then you don't get to whine about it when it breaks.
well actually I guess you do...
So, you don't have any intention to help people who don't
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:20:07 +0100
Christel Dahlskjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is with geat pleasure that I can knight Steve (aka beandog) a
'real dev'.
Welcome aboard Steve :)
-Thomas
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:02:15 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we're ready to announce the service, but before we do, I thought
it'd be a good idea to get feedback from the wider dev community.
I've got an overlay on overlays.gentoo.org. It is working out very
well. Thank
Hi,
The User Relations project has a new sub-project, Adopt a Developer.
The project aims to connect developers who need resources (ie hardware,
technical books, shell accounts, etc) with people and companies from
the community who want to donate resources. The concept is explained in
detail on
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:18:04 -0700
John Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 16:12, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a
release in years, it's binary-only, and it's
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:19:14 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The users explicitly compromise to (just to make it clear): [1,2,3,4]
People who participate in open projects like Gentoo come and go. What
happens if/when the proxy maintainer decides to leave? Who will take
care
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:10:42 +0200
Krzysiek Pawlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua Nichols wrote:
Doesn't support:
alpha
Alpha has compaq-{jdk,jre} which requires nast hacks with glibc and
doesn't work - details are in virtual/{jdk,jre} bugs.
compaq-{jdk,jre} were masked by YosWinK on July
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:30 -0700
Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- I'm offering to stable any interested arch for 7.1. PPC, SPARC and
MIPS have already taken me up on this. I will be starting this very soon
(within 2 hours at most), so respond ASAP if you would like to save
yourself
What I need:
(from proponents)
- A list of issue sunrise wants to address (each point 2 lines at most)
- How it will be implemented
(from critics)
- What is wrong with the model (each point 2 lines at least, 4 at most)
- What you'd do as alternative as the criticized point ( 2 lines again)
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:36:23 +0200
Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It isn't in the format useful for a discussion point by point, genstef
is converting it, I hope.
Yes, this is true. I was just pointing out that things have changed
since the original proposal and that before people begin
What is the proper quoting style for using epatch? In the tree there
are about 3 different styles...
epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch # used by 7326 ebuilds
epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch# used by 3092 ebuilds
epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch# used by
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:20:18 -0400
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please keep the games bugs in bugzilla. Making this change is a direct
change in games team policy without any prior notice to the games team
and without our permission.
No one needs permission to put ebuilds from
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:10:04 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:00:13PM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote: [Thu Jun 01 2006, 02:44:39PM CDT]
I would like the council to discuss GLEP 49
Incidentally, I drafted a competing GLEP
Realize
On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:44:09 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Couple more reports generated (in the parent dir, dropped keywords,
imlate, packages that have just ~arch, ebuild metadata verification,
and ebuild has been unstable for arch X for greater then N days).
Seems like we
On Sat, 20 May 2006 14:54:18 +0200
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*Primary Package Manager*
There is one primary package manager.
Gentoo has always been about choice, could you explain what is the rationale
behind having only one primary package manager?
All ebuilds in the
On Sat, 20 May 2006 17:11:57 +0200
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The primary package manager is maintained on official gentoo
infrastructure, under control of gentoo developers.
I don't really see this as a requirement. Many Linux distributions use
package managers that they
On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:10:53 +0100
Chris Bainbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that would be incompatible with a single signature. I don't
really see that point, but then I've been spoiled with broadband for
years. Do we really have many users on dialup that it would
inconvenience?
It
out numbered the number of non-Gentoo developers 5 to 1. See
http://paludis.berlios.de/Authors.html
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 15:48:04 -0400
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also recommend that the package is masked in all
Gentoo profiles where a release is built against, since again, it is
100% incompatible and upstream has now said that they have no intentions
on making it compatible.
-linux/x86/. Is
palidus Linux/x86 only? Could you explain why default-linux/x86/ is a good
option?
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 21:22:56 -0700
Joshua Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've noticed a disturbing trend with the website redesign. Larry is
disappearing from the site.
That is utterly disturbing! I too enjoy Larry the cow, and would like to keep
him around and improve his visibility on the
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:18 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, if you have a separate tree per-arch, that tree can be tested
and approved for release as a single unit.
How big would this tree be? Would it be every package? How will this make the
arch teams' life easier
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:42:57 +0200
Bryan Østergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So.. What can we do to improve things?
I think that there should be some sort of organized way of connecting potential
mentors and potential recruits. There is a very enthusiastic user who has been
contributing great
* In case of emergency, or if package maintainers refuse to cooperate,
the QA team may take action themselves to fix the problem. The QA
team does not want to override the maintainer's wishes by default, but only
wish to do so when the team finds it is in the best interest of users
and
Alec Warner wrote:
always portage portage portage. :) Can't you people think of another
project to pick on^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H that needs help?
What about a Gentoo stats?
~tcort
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Perhaps we should have a page explaining all of the ways someone can
help / contribute to Gentoo. There is no central place (that I know of)
for finding out what you can do as a user to make your favorite
distribution become even better. The Free Software Foundation has a nice
page here:
Thoughts on ideas on this somewhat more focussed idea? ( or at least I
think it's more focused :P )
Will there be restrictions on what can go into these overlays? There
are some ebuilds that aren't allowed in the main portage tree. One
example is winex-cvs (see
A developer could then take these ebuilds, make sure they
don't do anything malicious, or break QA, or whatever, and act as the
bridge between the portage tree and the users actually working on the
ebuild and keeping things up to date and working.
The easiest way to handle contrib as far
The process for getting unstable ebuilds from bugzilla to portage could
even be automated to the extent that when an ebuild is put into
bugzilla it gets auto committed to the tree but masked unstable.
I don't think that auto committing user submitted ebuilds is safe,
even if they are masked.
One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user
community who are keen on contributing, but we have such
a high barrier for entry to the developer community.
There are the arch tester[1] projects (x86, amd64, ppc, alpha (soon),
and maybe others). Those lower the barrier a lot while
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