Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2 (resend)

2007-06-08 Thread Mauricio Lima Pilla
Pardon me if you receive this message two times, I'm not sure it went to the ml the first time: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 04:49:12PM -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 14:08 -0300, Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: Good luck for the remaining proctors, they will need as they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Grant Goodyear
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 05 2007, 05:00:28PM CDT] As a member of the Council, I find it personally offensive that the Proctors have taken this action on what wasn't even a problem thread. I'm sick of this. I call for the immediate disbanding of the Proctors. As much as I dislike

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) He changed the subject and signed on behalf of gentoo-proctors. Is there a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) He changed the subject and signed on behalf of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you could keep your fucking trap shut? If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to by someone on a power trip with a history of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Am Mittwoch 06 Juni 2007 17:42 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh: Is there a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as has been suggested? The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the proctors. I feel like _anyone_* who willingly acts against a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Marien Zwart
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:29:47AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 05 2007, 05:00:28PM CDT] As a member of the Council, I find it personally offensive that the Proctors have taken this action on what wasn't even a problem thread. I'm sick of this. I call for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you could keep your fucking trap shut? If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to by someone on a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Am Mittwoch 06 Juni 2007 17:53 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you could keep your fucking trap shut? If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:08:30 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it. I'm claiming it because plenty of other people agree. You *did* see the response that the proctors got

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Doty
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) He changed the subject and signed on behalf of gentoo-proctors. Is there a way to fix the current

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it. I'm claiming it because plenty of other people agree. You *did* see the response that the proctors got from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:33:29 -0700 Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the proctors. Perhaps it should be restaffed with people who aren't so used to wielding god-like powers on the forums, where anyone who dares say anything that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Doty
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:33:29 -0700 Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the proctors. Perhaps it should be restaffed with people who aren't so used to wielding god-like powers on the forums, where anyone who

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Mike Doty wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) He changed the subject and signed on behalf of gentoo-proctors. Is there a way to fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Mauricio Lima Pilla
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 13:48:53 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: That wasn't what I said. What I said was that the forums staff have no accountability, and that the proctors were suffering as a result of containing too many of said forums staff. That's bullshit. We are subject to the same rules as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:29:47AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: So, how about using this incident as an opportunity for a calm discussion about the mandate and role of the proctors? The proctors clearly felt that they should shut down this thread _before_ things got out of hand. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Doty wrote: Perhaps you should go take a long walk off a short pier. [snip] Oh, I'm so hurt. You think I'm a hypocrite. Man, what will I ever do? Newsflash, I know I'm a hypocrite, which is a lot better than the childish passive-aggressive

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Josh Sled
Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: got out of hand. Perhaps the goal was laudable, but the methods were not? (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) Or are people really looking for the proctors to get involved only when behavior is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Anders Hellgren
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you could keep your fucking trap shut? If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josh Sled wrote: Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: got out of hand. Perhaps the goal was laudable, but the methods were not? (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to be a proctor directive.) Or are people really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Josh Sled wrote: I find it disappointing (maybe telling, if one is less charitable) that the Proctors never censured the original poster for either the tone of the message, nor the personal invective it contained, and still haven't. I'd imagine clear violations of the CoC to result in at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Dawid Węgliński
Dnia 06-06-2007, śro o godzinie 18:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a): Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it. I'm claiming it because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anders Hellgren wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you could keep your fucking trap

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 14:08 -0300, Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: Good luck for the remaining proctors, they will need as they aparently can't even expect any support from council members. There's a *BIG* difference between support and blind support. Nobody ever promised the proctors blind

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 13:14 -0500, Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Great job Chris, way to stick it to them. Yes. It absolutely *is* a great job that I voiced my opinion in a manner that I thought was most beneficial for Gentoo. Shame on me for ever thinking about what might be best for Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Dawid Węgliński wrote: Dnia 06-06-2007, śro o godzinie 18:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a): Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-05 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:13:25PM +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:44:23PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: Please step back, take a deep breath and avoid posting to this thread for 24 hours. Folks, while we're cutting some slack to the people replying somewhere else in

Re: Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2)

2007-06-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 15:43 -0600, Jason Wever wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Wernfried Haas wrote: So far we have temporarily suspended both ciaran's and geoman's account from posting and encourage everyone to do as Roy initially suggested.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-05 Thread Richard Brown
On 05/06/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a member of the Council, I find it personally offensive that the Proctors have taken this action on what wasn't even a problem thread. I'm sick of this. I call for the immediate disbanding of the Proctors. As much as I dislike many of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-05 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:08:27PM +0100, Richard Brown wrote: Proctors: please let me know when my ban expires. You're not even banned? -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org http://forums.gentoo.org || http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/proctors/ forum-mods (at) gentoo.org || proctors

Re: Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2)

2007-06-05 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Jason, If you leave, the plants win. That has just made my day. -- Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2)

2007-06-05 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 15:43 -0600, Jason Wever wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Wernfried Haas wrote: So far we have temporarily suspended both ciaran's and geoman's account from posting and encourage everyone to do as Roy initially suggested.

Re: Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2)

2007-06-05 Thread Peter Weller
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Jason Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..snip..] But who are people going to accidentally hilight now?! :'( signature.asc Description: PGP signature