On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:27:46PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:28:29 +, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
As a user, I still think this could turn into a real mess. ??I think
there
will be
On Thursday 25 March 2010 20:05:17 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
On 2010.03.24 21:12, William Hubbs wrote:
The case where Python-3 cannot be used as the default Python is
transitory (it may be a long time).
Gentoo Python Project
El jue, 25-03-2010 a las 11:37 -0400, Richard Freeman escribió:
On 03/24/2010 11:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
Even then, it'll likely get
installed first, as users will probably learn about p.masking it only
*after* they install it.
I don't have strong feelings on whether having v3
On 03/26/2010 02:02 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El jue, 25-03-2010 a las 11:37 -0400, Richard Freeman escribió:
On 03/24/2010 11:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
Even then, it'll likely get
installed first, as users will probably learn about p.masking it only
*after* they install it.
I don't have
On 03/26/2010 12:59 AM, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
On Thursday 25 March 2010 20:05:17 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
On 2010.03.24 21:12, William Hubbs wrote:
The case where Python-3 cannot be used as the default Python is
El vie, 26-03-2010 a las 05:10 -0700, Zac Medico escribió:
Hello
Maybe I have misunderstood anything (since I don't know much about
python stuff) but, what would occur if I forget to mask python-3 and
don't run python-updater. My plans would be to try to delay
python-updater running
On 03/24/2010 08:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our
Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2010-03-25 20:05:17 napisał(a):
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
The case where Python-3 cannot be used as the default Python is
transitory (it may be a long time).
Gentoo Python Project will soon start supporting setting Python 3 as main
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:35:19AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/24/2010 08:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
We agree that this is the minimum that
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2010-03-25 20:05:17 napisał(a):
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
The case where Python-3 cannot be used as the default Python is
transitory (it may be a
2010-03-26 16:40:37 Brian Harring napisał(a):
There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically
either have extremely locked down deps, or just plain don't happen
till the vast majority of depndencies are updated. If in doubt, look
at the past python upgrades- they've
2010-03-26 16:43:57 Brian Harring napisał(a):
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2010-03-25 20:05:17 napisał(a):
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
The case where Python-3 cannot be used as
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
2010-03-26 16:40:37 Brian Harring napisał(a):
There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically
either have extremely locked down deps, or just plain don't happen
till the vast majority of depndencies are updated. If in doubt,
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:04:28PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
wrote:
2010-03-26 16:43:57 Brian Harring napisał(a):
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
Arahesis wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2010-03-25 20:05:17 napisał(a):
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
2010-03-26 16:40:37 Brian Harring napisał(a):
There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically
either have extremely locked down deps, or just plain don't happen
2010-03-26 17:15:42 Brian Harring napisał(a):
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:04:28PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
wrote:
2010-03-26 16:43:57 Brian Harring napisał(a):
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
Arahesis wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:28:29 +, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
As a user, I still think this could turn into a real mess. I think
there
will be quite a few that will see python being updated, run
python-updater
and
Alec Warner wrote:
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
2010-03-26 16:40:37 Brian Harring napisał(a):
There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically
either have extremely locked
On 26/03/2010 17:43, Dale wrote:
It's not faith, its reality. There will be some people that don't
subscribe to this list that will do what is above. This IS the reason I
subscribed to this list. I wanted to know what the devs were doing under
the hood that would lead me to screw up my system.
George Prowse wrote:
On 26/03/2010 17:43, Dale wrote:
It's not faith, its reality. There will be some people that don't
subscribe to this list that will do what is above. This IS the reason I
subscribed to this list. I wanted to know what the devs were doing under
the hood that would lead me to
On 03/24/2010 11:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
Even then, it'll likely get
installed first, as users will probably learn about p.masking it only
*after* they install it.
I don't have strong feelings on whether having v3 installed by default
is a big problem, but the last bit here probably
On 2010.03.24 21:12, William Hubbs wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used
as the
default python, so if users do not want it
2010-03-25 19:34:24 Roy Bamford napisał(a):
On 2010.03.24 21:12, William Hubbs wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used
as the
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon.
As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention
that users who do not need
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon.
As
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention
that users who do not need python-3 should mask it locally to
prevent it from being
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention
that users who do not need
2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm attaching updated
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
Python maintainers do not recommend to mask
On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 23 March 2010 20:13,
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:35:21 +0100
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns
and recommendations of your fellow Gentoo developers.
CC'ing devrel because this is getting out of hand.
Looks like an extremely productive
2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . .
Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that
they didn't object to have Python 3 installed.
They're in the minority, judging by the replies
On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been
addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations.
I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns
and recommendations of your fellow
Am 24.03.2010 18:45, schrieb Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis:
2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that
they
2010-03-24 18:51:48 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. napisał(a):
On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been
addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations.
I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . .
Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo.
Some Gentoo developers/users,
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is
no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should
be included in the news item.
Not the folks running
On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There
is no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence
should be
On 24 March 2010 19:41, Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There
is no reason to
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:41:28PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote:
On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar
Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There
is no reason
Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . .
Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:57:20PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote:
Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
But everyone else in Gentoo does, so .
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the
default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have
done our job imho. In other words, this is just a matter of informing
users.
We
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the
default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have
done our job imho.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the
default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have
done our job imho.
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our
Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request.
On the other hand, I
2010-03-04 19:38:12 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. napisał(a):
On 3/4/10 7:22 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
'eselect python COMMAND --python3 [ARGUMENTS]' can be used to manage
configuration of active version of Python 3.
I'm confused by the above paragraph. I had to spend a longer
I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon.
Stabilization has been delayed to 2010-04-21, but members of architecture
projects can start testing now, to ensure that all potential problems have
been found and fixed.
--
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
Title: Python 3.1
On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon.
As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention
that users who do not need python-3 should mask it locally to
prevent it from
Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org said:
On 03/04/10 19:22, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been
fixed.
Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19.
#python on Freenode still reads It's
On 03/07/2010 07:11 PM, Mark Loeser wrote:
Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org said:
On 03/04/10 19:22, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been
fixed.
Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19.
On 03/07/2010 07:11 PM, Mark Loeser wrote:
Absolutely not. Its actually the opposite. Until 90+% of the tree just
works with the new version of python, it should not be stabilized. The
stable tree should all Just Work together. Stabilizing python-3 at this
point would be the equivalent
On 03/07/2010 07:32 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
+1
no need to stabilize experimental python, not even convinced it should
be in ~arch yet (but package.masked for testing)
I don't think upstream considers python 3 experimental so when it can be
installed side by side with 2.6 so that
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:26:24 +0200
Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/07/2010 07:32 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
no need to stabilize experimental python, not even convinced it should
be in ~arch yet (but package.masked for testing)
I don't think upstream considers python 3
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:22:41 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:
Python 3 is a new major version of Python and is intentionally incompatible
with Python 2. Many external modules have not been ported yet to Python 3, so
currently Python 3.1 should not be set as
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:25, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
So . . . why the heck are you stabilizing it?
Because 'stable' denotes that it works as intended, that it can be
installed easily, etc. All of these are true now for python3. There
are applications being written for it. We
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:10:00 +0100
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
Because 'stable' denotes that it works as intended, that it can be
installed easily, etc. All of these are true now for python3. There
are applications being written for it. We want to package those too.
I'm fine with
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Python 3 is a new major version of Python and is intentionally incompatible
with Python 2. Many external modules have not been ported yet to Python 3,
so
currently Python 3.1 should not be set as main active version of
On 03/05/2010 01:41 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote:
If it's stable, then users get it by default, assuming they run the stable
tree. They install a recent stage3, build their system, run emerge -uD world.
Bam, a useless version of Python is now installed. Nothing on their systems
will use it, so
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:56:23 +0100
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has said yet why this is. So . . . direct question, gimme a direct
answer: why?
Because in my opinion stable means that the people who package this
are stating that hey, we did some testing with this, it works
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:14, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Aaaand none of my packages that are installed want to use it. That's what
I'm sayin'. Maybe if I ran ~arch they'd ask for Python 3.x, but I run stable,
so *nothing* wants to use it. Every other stable user is in the
On Friday 05 of March 2010 11:22:18 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
I *am* a stable user, and I do want to install python3 (without having
to override keywords -- because my packager, the gentoo python team,
says it works!). I recognize the cruft problem, but I don't think
keeping things in unstable
On 03/05/2010 03:09 AM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
Now on more serious note, ideally python could be treated just like any other
non-leaf package (in dependency tree), just like library. In such case it's
completely reasonable to stabilize the newest version of such 'library',
especially when
On 5 March 2010 12:24, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
It won't be pulled in by sys-apps/portage dependencies which look
like this:
|| ( dev-lang/python:2.8 dev-lang/python:2.7 dev-lang/python:2.6
=dev-lang/python-3 )
If you already have python:2.6 installed then it will not pull in a
On 5 March 2010 12:24, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
It won't be pulled in by sys-apps/portage dependencies which look
like this:
|| ( dev-lang/python:2.8 dev-lang/python:2.7 dev-lang/python:2.6
=dev-lang/python-3 )
If you already have python:2.6 installed then it will
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 06:23:03AM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote:
[...]
Guys you should remember that we like to call gentoo a metadistribution [1].
Our users should be taking an active role in the maintenance of the own distro
[...]
As a user I have to thank you very much for this statement.
All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been fixed.
Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19.
I'm attaching the news item for Python 3.1.
--
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
Title: Python 3.1
Author: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
On 3/4/10 7:22 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
Setting Python 3.1 as main active version of Python is currently unsupported.
When it will change, a separate news item will be created to notify users.
I'd suggest s/users/you
'eselect python COMMAND --python3 [ARGUMENTS]' can be
On 03/04/10 19:22, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been fixed.
Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19.
#python on Freenode still reads It's too early to use Python 3.x.
Are they wrong?
Are
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 22:16, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote:
Are we at a point already where we can feed 90% of the Python 2.x code
out there to Python 3 without problems?
No, and that point will never come, but this is not a problem right now.
Python 3 will be installed slotted, as
On 4 March 2010 22:16, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/04/10 19:22, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been fixed.
Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19.
#python on Freenode
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