@council: We need to discuss ways to improve the current policy. See below.
On 06/07/11 23:09, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
In all cases I want one resource to look at, viewcvs is a horrible and
slow interface. So it does make sense to keep changelogs filled with
information - maybe automation is needed, I don't have a strong opinion
either way.
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:28:47 +0200
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
In all cases I want one resource to look at, viewcvs is a horrible
and slow interface. So it does make sense to keep changelogs filled
with
On 06/08/11 11:43, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:28:47 +0200
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
In all cases I want one resource to look at, viewcvs is a horrible
and slow interface. So it does make sense
On 06/08/2011 12:28 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
In all cases I want one resource to look at, viewcvs is a horrible and
slow interface. So it does make sense to keep changelogs filled with
information - maybe automation is
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:45, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
IMO we should just make repoman commit update the ChangeLog.
Then repoman commit should have a flag to leave out removals from
ChangeLog entries so unlazy people can still leave the cruft out from them.
Ref.
Dale posted on Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:45:34 -0500 as excerpted:
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 19:41:20 Dale wrote:
I have a question or two. I don't care if you, or others, reply to
this with a answer, just think on it. A policy, rule if you will, has
been decided on by
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
He didn't say he was going to defy council, rather, that he simply
wouldn't be removing ebuilds /at/ /all/ until either the changelog is auto-
generated (making the case moot) or the council changes policy.
That means they'll
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 23:44:49 Michał Górny wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:45:03 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:36:59 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 23:45:34 Dale wrote:
So, council says it has to be done. You say you won't. Tell me where I
missed the point here.
you missed the point as soon as you incorrectly stated that i said i wont.
thus the rest of your e-mail is useless noise.
-mike
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On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 05:27:27 Patrick Lauer wrote:
So you say that you want to follow the rules but accidentally forgot it?
no idea what you're talking about. the new policy has 0 relevance to actions
performed before said policy went into effect.
-mike
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 05:27:27 Patrick Lauer wrote:
So you say that you want to follow the rules but accidentally forgot it?
no idea what you're talking about. the new policy has 0 relevance to actions
performed
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 13:40:49 Matt Turner wrote:
and was 3 weeks later on Jun 7.
i havent had much time for Gentoo lately :/. but maybe people think that's
good so i'll stop being a hassle.
-mike
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 23:45:34 Dale wrote:
So, council says it has to be done. You say you won't. Tell me where I
missed the point here.
you missed the point as soon as you incorrectly stated that i said i wont.
thus the rest of your e-mail is useless
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 13:04:08 Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 23:45:34 Dale wrote:
So, council says it has to be done. You say you won't. Tell me where I
missed the point here.
you missed the point as soon as you incorrectly stated that i said i wont.
thus the
On Monday, May 16, 2011 09:41:08 Mark Loeser wrote:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
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Please document removal of ebuilds in ChangeLogs.
waste of time. i simply wont bother
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On 06/07/11 15:53, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday, May 16, 2011 09:41:08 Mark Loeser wrote:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
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Please
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current policy either, it's
far too wide. However, if you go back and look at why it even *got* to
council, it was because you
On 06/07/11 15:53, Mike Frysinger wrote:
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waste of time. i simply wont bother removing old versions until
changelogs start being autogenerated or the policy is sane again.
For the record, I support Dane's statement 100%.
In addition, I would like to say that you're behaving pretty
On 06/07/2011 10:53 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday, May 16, 2011 09:41:08 Mark Loeser wrote:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
vapier 11/05/16 03:30:02
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Please document removal of ebuilds in ChangeLogs.
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:14:05 Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
On 06/07/11 15:53, Mike Frysinger wrote:
waste of time. i simply wont bother removing old versions until
changelogs start being autogenerated or the policy is sane again.
For the record, I support Dane's statement 100%.
In
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On 06/07/11 17:09, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current policy either, it's
far too
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/07/2011 10:53 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Monday, May 16, 2011 09:41:08 Mark Loeser wrote:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
vapier 11/05/16 03:30:02
Removed:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current policy either, it's
far too wide. However, if
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:23:23 Dane Smith wrote:
On 06/07/11 17:09, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current policy either, it's
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the current
situation.
of course it does. it makes the current situation irrelevant.
Does this mean we should shortly be expecting to see you do the work to
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the current
situation.
of course it does. it makes the current situation
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:36:59 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the current
situation.
of course it does. it makes the current situation irrelevant.
Does this mean we should
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:32:03 Matt Turner wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this current fiasco
was this exact attitude. I don't like the current policy
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:32:03 Matt Turner wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 16:47:29 Dane Smith wrote:
To be perfectly blunt, no small part of what caused this
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 18:08:17 Matt Turner wrote:
There _was_ a policy before, but it was unclear about documenting
version removals and arguably didn't require it, so after a few
developers (you've been often mentioned as one of them) refused to
document version removals in the changelog,
Mike Frysinger wrote:
seems we gauge things differently as i dont think it's that black white,
although it probably is further in your white than in my black. further, i
dont believe people actually get useful information out of this, they just
think they do (perception vs reality). when an
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 19:41:20 Dale wrote:
I have a question or two. I don't care if you, or others, reply to this
with a answer, just think on it. A policy, rule if you will, has been
decided on by the council. This after MUCH discussion on this list and
the council hearing both sides
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:45:03 -0400
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 17:36:59 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the
current situation.
of course
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 19:41:20 Dale wrote:
I have a question or two. I don't care if you, or others, reply to this
with a answer, just think on it. A policy, rule if you will, has been
decided on by the council. This after MUCH discussion on this list and
the
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
vapier 11/05/16 03:30:02
Removed: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild
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Please document removal of ebuilds in ChangeLogs.
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/misc-files/changelog/
It'd also be better to do this all as
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:41, Mark Loeser halc...@gentoo.org wrote:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
vapier 11/05/16 03:30:02
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Please document removal of ebuilds in ChangeLogs.
It would also seem manifests
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W dniu 16.05.2011 15:41, Mark Loeser pisze:
Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org said:
vapier 11/05/16 03:30:02
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Please document removal of ebuilds in ChangeLogs.
El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió:
Neither of those points include sending mail to gentoo-dev, which tend
to quickly convert into the witch hunt and seldom lead to anything
conclusive.
To some of us (i.e. me as a staffer and probably any wanna be developer
following the list) it is a
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike) wrote:
El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió:
Neither of those points include sending mail to gentoo-dev, which tend
to quickly convert into the witch hunt and seldom lead to anything
conclusive.
To
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike) wrote:
El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió:
Neither of those points include sending mail to gentoo-dev, which tend
to
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org said:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike) wrote:
El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió:
Neither of those points include
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:45:14PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike) wrote:
El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió:
Neither of
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