Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 21:37 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > So what's the point of the ChangeLog again? Isn't it to record specific changes that have happened to a specific package? News items may be about changes that have not yet happened - to allow users to plan ahead and prepare appropriately.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-07 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 01:06, Grant Goodyear wrote: > Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Nov 07 2005, 06:37:10AM CST] > > I'm really just against having it in emerge, especially with the current > > suggestion of portage just doing a little bit of maintenance work for > > external tools and nothing else

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-07 Thread Grant Goodyear
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Nov 07 2005, 06:37:10AM CST] > So what's the point of the ChangeLog again? Move load from the CVS > server and onto the rsync servers? (Don't answer that - just beating a > dead horse ;) *Grin* I'm going to answer anyway, since the answer isn't necessarily obvious to ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-07 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 07 November 2005 19:11, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:34, Alec Warner wrote: > > emerge --changelog has no 'official' format. I believe echangelog > > actually puts the changes in the correct format for emerge -l to read, > > however not everyone uses echangelog

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-07 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:34, Alec Warner wrote: > > emerge --changelog has no 'official' format. I believe echangelog > actually puts the changes in the correct format for emerge -l to read, > however not everyone uses echangelog. Many developers commit in an > incompatable syntax causing

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-06 Thread R Hill
Jason Stubbs wrote: I seem to be repeating myself... What's an example of repository-specific non-package-specific news? Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news? a) maintainers don't put important news in their changelogs. there are a few exceptions. gregkh's ude

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-05 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:08, Jason Stubbs wrote: > Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news? >From a user/sys.admin point of view let me give you an example; I maintain quite a lot Gentoo-systems. For me it's impossible to read _every_ changelog for minor releas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Alec Warner
Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote: > >>As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound >>information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in >>preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote: > As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound > information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in > preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be > handled. It goes with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Alec Joseph Warner
Jason Stubbs wrote: On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote: Nathan L. Adams wrote: One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/ Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds, summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that the website is *th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote: > Nathan L. Adams wrote: > > One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/ > > > > Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds, > > summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that > > the website is *the* sour

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Xavier Neys
Nathan L. Adams wrote: One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/ Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds, summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that the website is *the* source (your alternate sources should point back to it). I beg to differ.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-04 Thread Sami Näätänen
On Friday 04 November 2005 03:10, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > Stuart Herbert wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > >>Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different > >> news in different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring > >> some facts to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > >>Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in >>different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to >>make your own argu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-03 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in > different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to > make your own argument. That seems an unpleasant accusation to make :( The answer is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-01 Thread Mike Williams
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:32, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > > 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums > > > instead of www. > > Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever > The users I've spoken to about our news situation have expressly stated >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 19:32 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > > 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums > > > instead of www. > > Redundancy - to ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-01 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums > > instead of www. > Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever > reason visit the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums > > instead of www. > Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever > reason visit the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-10-31 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums > instead of www. Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever reason visit the forums and not www.gentoo.org in a specific time interval. The mor

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-10-31 Thread Dan Meltzer
Bah, replied to fast. Other points of note... 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums instead of www. 2) Theoretically it could be crossposted to the forums, probably simplest to do as a direct mysql insert, which'd be messy. 3) --news, my point of reamage. This is

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-10-31 Thread Dan Meltzer
s/where headstarted by a blog post by Stuart/where headstarted by bug 11359/ To jump right in :) On 10/31/05, Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread. > > It's rather long, but I hope it details any sort of questions that may be > b