Tom Wijsman posted on Wed, 04 Jun 2014 02:24:31 +0200 as excerpted:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
The only step missing is:
Mask the new version on all non-systemd profiles so that portage
doesn't try to install it
(I wonder why systemd and
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:44:45 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 09:20:51PM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
Then, they steal a general kernel command line parameter (debug) that
makes booting impossible in certain cases. (Linus had to put his foot
down on that one.)
Almost your entire statement here is incorrect. Systemd still looks at
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 02:17:32 PM Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 31/05/14 05:47, Steven J. Long wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:57:01AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 27/05/14 08:34, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-05-26, o godz. 23:15:34
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd- depending sys-power/upower-pm-utils stable. -- Joost
No clue what you mean, sys-power/upower-pm-utils doesn't depend on
sys-apps/systemd,
and whole Portage tree is converted to
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd- depending sys-power/upower-pm-utils stable. -- Joost
No clue what you mean,
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
stable and ~arch users.
Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new
mandatory relationship with a reverse dependency?
They need
On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
stable and ~arch users.
Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new
mandatory
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:24:22 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts
both stable and ~arch users.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
stable and ~arch users.
Are we going
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:04:23 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
The whole point of news is to tell people about an action they need to
take before they have to take it. The output of portage doesn't
really tell you what is going on.
Note that I'm not against a news item in the short
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On 03/06/14 08:08 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts
both stable and ~arch users.
Are we going to write a news item
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:04:23 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This has already hit stable. The dependency on systemd is present in
sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3, which was just stablized.
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
This has already hit stable. The dependency on systemd is present in
sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3, which was just stablized.
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
No, it doesn't.
in comparison, 0.99.0 mainly wants you to run
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
No, it doesn't.
Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how you've got to
that change, I thought
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:59 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
No use conditional there...
Yeah, I was a checkout behind; I'm clueless wrt the new revision bump.
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On 03/06/14 16:40, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
No, it doesn't.
Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's
an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support,
to ensure desktops don't end up with greyed out Hibernate/Suspend
buttons
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 09:26:09 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 03/06/14 08:08 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a
big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this.
Why is the mix-in not a simple solution?
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With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a
big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this.
Why is the mix-in
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's
an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support,
to ensure desktops don't end up with
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
helpfully solves that problem by turning all the non-systemd users
into systemd users, instead of
On 03/06/14 17:45, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
helpfully solves that problem by turning
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
On 03/06/14 17:45, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
helpfully solves
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
there was an alternative option.
Yes, Portage could also be helped out with some output improvements.
It requires an analysis on its own, among the kind of
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:52:30 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:57:12 +0200
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
And 0.99.0 is for both, systemd and openrc users
sys-power/upower-1 would not install any files and be treecleaned
some months after the transition is complete.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
there was an alternative option.
Yes, Portage could also be helped out with some output
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 04:46:18 PM Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 16:40, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 04:45:36 PM Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
helpfully solves that
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd- depending sys-power/upower-pm-utils stable. -- Joost
No clue what you mean, sys-power/upower-pm-utils doesn't depend on
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd- depending sys-power/upower-pm-utils stable. --
On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd-
On 06/03/2014 08:24 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
[Lots of comments about upower updates and interactions between
systemd and Open-rc...]
I'm sorry, but it seems to me that this is *another* power grab by the
systemd Cabal.
On 04/06/2014 02:24, Tom Wijsman wrote:
There is no such thing as a non-systemd profile; a sub directory is a
specialization, that doesn't mean that it parents suddenly become the
opposite of that. No, the parents are just generalizations that aren't
as specific as the sub directory.
Doing
On 31/05/14 05:47, Steven J. Long wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:57:01AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 27/05/14 08:34, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-05-26, o godz. 23:15:34
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
UPower upstream removed sys-power/pm-utils support from 0.99
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:57:01AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 27/05/14 08:34, Michał Górny wrote:
Dnia 2014-05-26, o godz. 23:15:34
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
UPower upstream removed sys-power/pm-utils support from 0.99 release
(currently unkeyworded in
Note: If you want to convert your ebuild, you can /msg ssuominen on
Freenode and
post an ebuild diff, I can quickly review if the dependency changes are
OK for you,
or clarify anything else you want regarding this.
Sorry, I know this unorthodox workflow, but I'm too sick to even
properly sit in
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